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SERVICE AND EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF US. |
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I HAVE ENJOYED IT. |
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I THINK I SHOULD BEGIN THE OVERVIEW OF MY BOOK, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? BY CLARIFYING SOMETHING BECAUSE... |
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I HOPE TO LEAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS AND THE END. THE FIRST IS THE ISSUE WHAT IMPRESSES ME... |
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IT'S PRODUCING A SINGLE CROP LIKE CORN, LIKE SOY FOR THE LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY OR FOR THE PROCESSED FOOD... |
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IS IT A QUESTION FROM THE RESEARCH THAT YOU HAVE DONE. YOU ARE SAYING THEY ARE GREAT BECAUSE THEY... |
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I DON'T THINK EXPANDING IT WOULD. |
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FOR X NUMBER OF FISH IF YOU EXPAND IT FROM WHAT IT WAS TO LIKE FIVE TIMES THAT WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?... |
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I GUESS MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS NO. WHAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IS IF YOU INCREASE STOCK DENSITY. ... |
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I'M SAYING MAKE -- WOULD THAT MAKE THE DIFFERENCE? |
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IN TERMS OF TAKING A SYSTEM THAT WORKS AND REPLICATING IT? |
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IN TERMS OF MAKING FISH FARMING MORE OF A VIABLE ENVIRONMENTAL BIBLE WAY OF PRODUCING? |
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YOUR FEAR IS IT COULD BECOME ANOTHER MONOCULTURE ALL SYSTEM BASICALLY? |
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AND JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD EXPAND THE AREA WITHOUT EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF FISH WOULD YOU REDUCE... |
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I THINK YOU WOULD. BASED ON THE VERY SIMPLE PREMISE. THE MORE BROWN FISH HAVE TO GROW AND THE LESS... |
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SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT FISH FARMING ARE ALSO THAT THEY ARE NOT AS NUTRITIONALLY DIVERSE AS WILD... |
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THAT VERY WELL MIGHT BE TRUE. I CAN'T THINK ABOUT THE BROAD RANGE OF NUTRIENTS. TERMS OF PROTEIN I... |
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WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF AGRICULTURE? |
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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF AGRICULTURE. I AM COMPLETELY UNROMANTIC ABOUT AGRICULTURE.... |
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ARE YOU SHIFTING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN? |
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I DON'T MEAN TO BE ABSOLUTIST. I SAID SOMETIMES I'D LIKE TO TALK LIKE A CAPITALIST. NOT ALL THE TIME.... |
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YEAH, I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY ACCURATE. [INAUDIBLE] |
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HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU COULD COME BACK OR PROTECT YOURSELVES AGAINST OVERSIMPLIFICATION OF YOUR... |
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I CAN'T. IT'S LIKE THE SPIN CONTROL IS IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S REALLY A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT CAUSES... |
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I'M GLAD YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SUBSIDY ISSUE. |
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OKAY. YEAH. [LAUGHTER] |
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I'M GLAD YOU TALK ABOUT THE SUBSIDY ISSUE. AS YOU WERE TALKING A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, IT TURNS INTO... |
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ABSOLUTELY. ONE THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS MY THINKING I HAVE BEEN GUILTY OF THE BATTLE OVER SUPPLICATION... |
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YOU SAY YOU HAVE GIVEN UP MEAT. DOES THAT MEAN YOU ARE VEGAN? |
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NO. |
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YEAH. AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. |
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YOUR WHOLE CONCEPT? |
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I DON'T KNOW. I'M A LONG-DISTANCE RUNNER. I NEED TO GET MY PROTEIN. AND THE OTHER ISSUE, JUST TO BE... |
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I THINK ALMOST EVERY MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM, NOT JUST WITH RESPECT TO FOOD BUT ENERGY, WATER,... |
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ASSUMING A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN ORGANIC AND CHEMICAL IS A FALSE DILEMMA. WHAT IF YOU FLIP NEXT WEEK?... |
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THE ANSWER IS, NO, AND THE PERSON WHO REALLY HAS LOOKED AT THAT QUESTION IS AN ORGANIC FARMER AT UC... |
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WHAT DOES THAT COMPUTER MODEL TELL YOU? |
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CAME OUT FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN SAYING THAT ORGANICS CAN FEED THE WORLD. IT COULD THEORETICALLY.... |
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I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BIOTECH. YOU MENTION THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR RESISTANCE AMONG WEED PESTS AND... |
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CHANGE. |
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WELL, WE CREATE MORE CHEMICALS. WHEN PESTS BECOME RESISTANT, THEN WE CREATE MORE CHEMICALS. I WANTED... |
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YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S A BIT OF A CAT AND MOUSE ASPECT TO UNITED MODIFICATION, BUT THERE'S A CAT AND... |
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I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS IN WHO IS CONTROLLING THE RESOURCE, THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE SMALL COMMUNITY... |
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WHICH IS WHY -- |
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CREATING CHEMICALLY DEPENDENT FARMERS. |
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WHICH IS WHY I AM SO CAUTIOUS ABOUT THIS AND REJECT THE APPLICATION OF THE TECHNOLOGY COMPLETELY RIGHT... |
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ON THAT POINT. WHAT IF THE FOUNDATION DEVELOPED A SEED THAT COULD FOR FREE BE USED THE NEXT YEAR,... |
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EXACTLY. |
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THAT'S IT. |
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CAN YOU CLARIFY ONE MORE TIME, LIKE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE WITH YOUR BOOK? IT SEEMS LIKE ON... |
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I WROTE A BOOK THAT PISSED OFF EVERYBODY. BUT, NO, SERIOUSLY, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHAT IS THE THING... |
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I SHOULD HAVE USED THAT PHRASE. SOFTEN THE FRONTIERS. THAT SUMS IT UP NICELY. YES? |
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EATING MORE ON THE MARINE FOOD CHAIN. I SEE THAT DIFFERENT THAN DOMESTICATED ANIMALS. SO IT'S A MORE... |
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WELL, I SHOULD SAY THAT IN THE BOOK I FOCUS MUCH MORE ON THE FRESH-WATER AQUACULTURE. EATING LOW ON... |
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I HEARD YOUR CONVERSATION WITH JEFFREY -- HOW DID YOUR CONVERSATION WITH JEFFREY SMITH GO? |
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HOW DID MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM GO? |
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I IMAGINE YOU HAD A TALK WITH HIM. HE -- MAYBE HE WOULD BE THE FUNDAMENTALIST FOR YOU IN YOUR WORLD.... |
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YEAH. YEAH. I ACTUALLY HAVE NEVER INTERACTED WITH HIM. DIE WANT TO? YEAH -- DO I WANT TO? YEAH.... |
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I'M CURIOUS. I KNOW JEFFREY PERSONALLY. I THINK -- |
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I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT US TOGETHER. I KNOW THE BOOK, THOUGH. |
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HI. CLEARLY EATING MEAT IS BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. IS ATING DAIRY AND EATING EGGS COMPARABLY HARMFUL... |
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I THINK. SO IT'S LIKE THE QUESTION ABOUT AGRICULTURE. THERE'S ALWAYS QUESTIONS ABOUT COSTS, AND AS... |
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IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING OVERALL AGRICULTURAL SYSTEMS. DO YOU SPEND ANY TIME... |
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MY FEELING IS THINGS WE CAN DO ON THE LOCAL LEVEL, AND THESE SORT OF RADICALLY LOCAL LEVEL, LIKE GROWING... |
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I LISTENED TO THE INTERVIEW ON NPR ON FRIDAY. AND THE TITLE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE -- |
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IT WASN'TED SUPPOSED TO BE. THERE WERE SEVERAL SUBTITLES, AND SO, YEAH -- I MEAN -- |
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I MEAN THAT, AND I THINK ABOUT GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD, AND I THINK WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO BECOME... |
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WE HAVE SOME SORT OF POWER IN THIS MOVEMENT. |
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YOU DO, AND IT'S IMPORTANT. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN TERMS OF PEOPLE CONNECTING WITH THE FOOD SUPPLY --... |
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I THINK THE MAJORITY OF US DO, TOO. IT'S KIND OF A -- I DON'T KNOW -- FALSE -- FALLACY TO THINK THAT... |
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I MEAN, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I GUESS MY FEELING IS, YES, THIS DOES -- IT HAS A REMARKABLE... |
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RIGHT. WE HAVE POWER. WHAT I'M SAYING IS I CAN'T BUY EVERY CERTAIN THING -- |
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I'M AWARE OF THAT. |
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THE MAJORITY OF US ARE AWARE OF THAT. |
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I DON'T MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT LOCAVORES THINK THEY CAN GET ALL THEIR FOOD LOCALLY. |
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THE REALITY IS -- GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD -- |
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I DIDN'T SAY THAT. [INAUDIBLE] |
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I THINK -- JUST A REALLY INTERESTING POINT. WHEN WE LOOK AT LOCAL POINT AND LOCAL AT FOOD MILES, IT... |
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THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO MIGHT HAVE ALL THE RESPECT IN THE WORLD FOR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY HISTORY PROFESSOR JAMES McWILLIAMS' PREVIOUS BOOKS INCLUDING REVOLUTION IN... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
