In the Graveyard of Empires

Jul 23, 2009

New America Foundation

Seth Jones talked about his book In the Graveyard of Empires: America's War in Afghanistan (W. W. Norton & Company; July 6, 2009). He examined the trend of affairs in Afghanistan over several decades and what he thinks has gone wrong with the U.S. war in Afghanistan since 2001. He also provides suggestions for the Obama administration as .. Read More
Seth Jones talked about his book In the Graveyard of Empires: America's War in Afghanistan (W. W. Norton & Company; July 6, 2009). He examined the trend of affairs in Afghanistan over several decades and what he thinks has gone wrong with the U.S. war in Afghanistan since 2001. He also provides suggestions for the Obama administration as it expands the U.S. military's presence in the country. He responded to questions from members of the audience. The talk was held on July 23, 2009, by the New America Foundation in Washington, D.C. Seth Jones is a political scientist at the RAND Corporation and an adjunct professor at Georgetown and the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School.

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00:00:18 Unidentified Speaker POLITICAL SCIENTIST SETH JONES PROVIDES ASSISTANCE FOR THE BARACK OBAMA ASSISTANCE. IT'S AN HOUR AND...
00:00:28 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, PETER, AND THANK YOU ALL IN GENERAL FOR COMING AND THANKS FOR HOSTING THIS. IT'S ACTUALLY...
00:03:00 Unidentified Speaker THE POINT, THOUGH, THAT HAS COME CLEAR THE MORE TIMES I HAVE HEARD THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL THE...
00:20:55 Unidentified Speaker THEY HAVE A VERY SOPHISTICATED BOTTOM-UP STRATEGY. OF APPROACHING LOCAL TRIBES, SUBTRIBES, CLANS AND...
00:29:12 Unidentified Speaker I'LL SEE IF THIS IS GOING TO WORK. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE QUESTIONS AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND...
00:29:35 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I ACTUALLY THINK WHAT MATTERS MOST IN TERMS OF A PLAN IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS FORMULATED OUT OF...
00:30:57 Unidentified Speaker WE'LL HAVE A MICROPHONE FOR EACH OF THE QUESTIONS. WE'LL START WITH TRUDY RUBIN OF THE "PHILADELPHIA...
00:31:09 Unidentified Speaker WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THE ISSUE OF WHERE THE REAL PROBLEM IS IN PAKISTAN AND IF YOU DON'T SOLVE THAT,...
00:31:53 Unidentified Speaker GOOD QUESTIONS. FIRST ON THE PAKISTAN/AFGHAN FRONT. AS I LAID OUT, IN MY PERSONAL VIEW, I BELIEVE...
00:35:47 Unidentified Speaker SETH, THANKS. TWO QUESTIONS, WHAT SURPRISED YOU MOST? WHAT DID YOU DRAW AS YOUR MOST INTERESTING...
00:36:28 Unidentified Speaker YEAH. GOOD QUESTIONS. ON THE SURPRISE, I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK SURPRISED ME THE...
00:40:36 Unidentified Speaker ED WILKE. I'M SELF-EMPLOYED. A QUESTION -- YOU'D MENTIONED THAT AN INSURGENCY NEEDS OUTSIDE SUPPORT...
00:41:32 Unidentified Speaker UH-HUH. GOOD QUESTIONS. ON THE ROLE ON POPPY MORE BROADLY. IT WORKS ON TWO LEVELS. IT CERTAINLY IS...
00:45:10 Unidentified Speaker WE'LL TAKE SOME QUESTIONS IN
00:45:14 Unidentified Speaker HI. THANK YOU, SETH, FOR THE VERY INCITESIGHTFUL TALK. YOU TOUCHED EARLIER UPON THE VAST NETWORKS...
00:46:25 Unidentified Speaker SURE. GOOD QUESTION. ..
00:47:23 Unidentified Speaker I THINK WHAT THIS REALLY IS IS A FUNCTION OF THIS IS JUST THE POLICE AND INTELLIGENCE WORK. THIS...
00:48:38 Unidentified Speaker JARED PORTER. I WANT TO CHALLENGE A BIT ON THE USE OF THE TERM CORRUPTION. NOT CORRUPTION IS NOT AN...
00:50:01 Unidentified Speaker SURE. THE QUESTION. WELL, IF I COULD GO BACK, THE FOCUS OF THE ARGUMENT IN GENERAL IS A GOVERNMENT,...
00:52:59 Unidentified Speaker THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK WITH THE GLASSES.
00:53:05 Unidentified Speaker PETER, FORMERLY WITH THE HOUSE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. I THINK OF OUR EXPERIENCE IN ANBAR AND HER GOOD...
00:53:31 Unidentified Speaker GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE DETAILS OF ANBAR SO I'M GOING TO STEP ASIDE FROM COMBINING...
00:57:16 Unidentified Speaker JEFF STACY FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT. DOCTOR JONES, ON THE SUBNATIONAL FACTORS I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY...
00:59:13 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THAT IS A VERY, VERY GOOD QUESTION AND A VERY DIFFICULT ONE TO ANSWER. BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL,...
01:02:36 Unidentified Speaker TAKE ONE FROM THE SITE IN THE MIDDLE.
01:02:43 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU FOR SOME GREAT INSIGHTS INTO AFGHAN HISTORY AND CURRENT PROBLEMS. MY NAME IS STEVE. IONA...
01:03:47 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, I DO THINK GOVERNANCE ISSUE ARE IMPORTANT. ECONOMIC ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT...
01:05:33 Unidentified Speaker WILL TAKE OUR LAST QUESTION FROM AFGHAN.
01:05:39 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A GREAT PRESENTATION FOR THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT, THE REGIONAL AND...
01:07:50 Unidentified Speaker SURE. ON THAT, I DON'T REALLY DISAGREE WITH HER INSTITUTIONAL COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING. ON THIS QUESTION,...
01:10:23 Unidentified Speaker WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES LEFT SO WE'LL TAKE ONE QUESTION HERE AND WE WILL TAKE TWO QUESTIONS TOGETHER...
01:10:33 Unidentified Speaker INCLUDING ME.
01:10:34 Unidentified Speaker MY NAME IS PAM. I WAS WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR ONE YEAR. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT...
01:11:21 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IT MAY. I MEAN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS, SO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO INTO DETAILED KNOWLEDGE...
01:12:09 Unidentified Speaker WE WILL BUNDLE THESE THREE QUESTIONS TOGETHER.
01:12:17 Unidentified Speaker I AM WITH THE STIMSON CENTER. I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU UPON ACTION HAVING TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU...
01:13:44 Unidentified Speaker CANDIDATES. I'M A FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICER. I SPENT A COUPLE YEARS IN AFGHANISTAN AND LONGTIME AGO....
01:14:48 Unidentified Speaker AND ONE OTHER QUESTION HERE AND YOU HAVE TO ANSWER IN TWO MINUTES.
01:14:54 Unidentified Speaker OR LESS.
01:14:55 Unidentified Speaker I WAS WONDERING HOW IMPORTANT AND HOW CRITICAL THE BACKGROUND PRESENT ISSUE IS ACHIEVING AFGHAN PERCEPTION...
01:15:11 Unidentified Speaker OKAY. I WILL BE QUITE. ON THE FIRST QUESTION, AND DO THESE REPRESENTATIVES, ONE HAS TO BE EXTRAORDINARY...
01:18:22 Unidentified Speaker GREAT. A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. [APPLAUSE]

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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