Jimmy Carter: The Liberal Left and World Chaos

Aug 24, 2009

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Mike Evans talked about Jimmy Carter: The Liberal Left and World Chaos (Time Worthy Books; January 20, 2009), his book about Jimmy Carter's influence on U.S. policy in Israel. Mr. Evans responded to telephone calls and electronic communications. This program was part of a "Washington Journal" series of interviews during the month of .. Read More
Mike Evans talked about Jimmy Carter: The Liberal Left and World Chaos (Time Worthy Books; January 20, 2009), his book about Jimmy Carter's influence on U.S. policy in Israel. Mr. Evans responded to telephone calls and electronic communications. This program was part of a "Washington Journal" series of interviews during the month of August with authors of recently released books.

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00:00:28 GUEST JIMMY CARTER HAD A LIBERAL LEFT IDEOLOGICAL WORLD FEEL. HE SAW THE WORLD THROUGH THE EYES OF -- THAT...
00:01:00 HOST DIDN'T JIMMY CARTER RUN AS SORT OF A WASHINGTON OUTSIDER, BOUGHT PART OF A LIBERAL OR OTHERWISE ESTABLISHMENT?...
00:01:10 GUEST HE DID, BUT SO DID BARACK OBAMA. THEY BOTH RAN OUT HOPE AND CHANGE.
00:01:16 HOST BUT BARACK OBAMA HAD BEEN A MEMBER OF THE SENATE.
00:01:20 GUEST THAT'S TRUE. ONE WAS A GOVERNOR. SOME WOULD ARGUE THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS MORE EXPERIENCE THAN A SENATOR....
00:01:41 HOST THE HEART ANDOF YOUR BOOK IS JIMMY CARTER'S VIEWS ON THE MIDDLE EAST AND BROADLY ON TERRORISM, IT...
00:01:57 GUEST THE FIRST THING I HAVE TO DO IS SET THE SCENE FOR THE PLAN. WHEN JIMMY CARTER CAME INTO OFFICE, BECAUSE...
00:03:07 HOST DOES THAT MEAN?
00:03:12 GUEST AMERICA HAS USED ISRAEL TO DO ITS FIGHTING AND THE MIDDLE EAST. DURING THE COLD WAR, WE CANNOT FIGHT...
00:03:48 HOST I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT ON KHOMENINI IN PARIS.
00:04:00 GUEST HE SHOWS UP FROM NAJAF, IRAQ, AND HE IS A REFUGEE. THE PRESIDENT SAID HE DID NOT KNOW WHO HE WAS WHEN...
00:04:46 HOST ARE YOU SAY THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WAS BEHIND SUPPORTING HIM IN PARIS?
00:04:51 GUEST AS THE FRENCH WERE AND THE BRITISH WERE, AND IT ENDED UP IN A SUMMIT IN GUADALUPE WHICH CONFIRMED...
00:04:59 HOST DID IN THE REVOLUTION IN IRAN HAPPEN FIRST, BEFORE KHOMEINI WAS IN PARIS? THE WAS ALREADY A NASCENT...
00:05:12 GUEST MOSQUES, MULLIS, AND MADRASAHS -- MULLAHS, AND MADRASAHS BUT MY CONTACTS ON THE GROUND, AMBASSADORS...
00:05:41 HOST BUT BACK TO THE U.S. INTERESTS, WHY WOULD IT BE PART OF THE U.S. INTERESTS TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE HIM...
00:05:58 GUEST BECAUSE CARTER DID I SEE HIM AS ANYTHING BUT A GHANI-LIKE FIGURE -- DID NOT SEE HIM AS ANYTHING BUT...
00:06:24 HOST WE WILL GO TO CALLS NOW. GOOD MORNING TO GIVE THE AND IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. CALLER: I THINK CARTER WAS...
00:07:21 GUEST I THINK HE WAS A WONDERFUL EX-PRESIDENT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A PRESIDENT THAT SENDS $50 MILLION TO...
00:08:08 HOST THAT CALLER TALKED ABOUT JIMMY CARTER'S VIEW ON ENERGY, SOME OF HIS FAMOUS SPEECHES ABOUT A WAR OVER...
00:08:20 GUEST YES, INDEED. JIMMY CARTER CREATED A LOT OF ECONOMIC PROBLEMS FOR THE UNITED STATES. SURE, HE WANTED...
00:09:10 HOST IT IS COMING ON THIS THIRD ANNIVERSARY OF THE TAKEOVER OF THE U.S. EMBASSY IN IRAN -- THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY...
00:09:24 GUEST THAT WAS THE EXISTENTIAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN. YOU HAD A DILEMMA FOR JIMMY CARTER THAT HE COULD NOT...
00:09:54 HOST BACK TO THE U.S. SUPPORTING KHOMEINI, HOW DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT KHOMEINI WOULD ALLOW THIS TAKEOVER...
00:10:16 GUEST IN FACT, THE EMBASSY WAS WORKING AT THE DESTABILIZATION OF IRAN. SULLIVAN, THE AMBASSADOR AT THE ...
00:11:17 GUEST I HAVE BEEN ON THE FOX NEWS QUITE A LOT AS A MIDDLE EAST ANALYST. CALLER: THAT SEEMS TO BE RATHER ...
00:12:24 GUEST YOU KNOW, I DID NOT WRITE A BOOK ON REAGAN OR BUSH. TRUTHFULLY, I DID NOT SUPPORT THE IRAQ WAR. I...
00:13:24 HOST REPUBLICAN LINE. CALLER: THIS BIG OF BRZEZINSKI, PRESIDENT CARTER'S -- ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI, PRESIDENT...
00:14:38 GUEST YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS PRECISELY CORRECT. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THOSE FACTS. NOBODY WANTS TO TELL THE TRUTH...
00:15:36 HOST YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK THAT --
00:16:11 GUEST YES. LISTEN, THE SAUDIS RIGHT NOW ARE SHOPPING FOR A NUCLEAR REACTOR. THEY KNOW THAT THEIR 400-MILE...
00:16:58 HOST IN YOUR VIEW, WHAT ISRAEL BE JUSTIFIED WITH A PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE ON AN IRANIAN NUCLEAR FACILITY?
00:17:06 GUEST WELL, I HAVE NEVER BEEN A PROPONENT OF THAT. I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES. AHMADINEJAD...
00:17:50 HOST AND ON THE DEMOCRATS' LINE FOR MIKE EVANS. CALLER: JIMMY CARTER WAS INTERVIEWED ON ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS,...
00:18:17 GUEST I MET WITH CARTER'S PEOPLE AROUND THE END OF HIS PRESIDENCY, AND ONE OF HIS KEY GUYS THAT I MET WITH...
00:19:04 HOST JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, INDEPENDENT LINE. CALLER: I WILL ASK A QUESTION AND THEN MAKE A COMMENT. YOU...
00:19:43 GUEST LOOK, I AGREE WITH YOU ON EGYPT AND ISRAEL COULD ACTUALLY, IT WAS NOT CARTER. I KNOW THE STORY WELL....
00:20:33 HOST FORMER PRESIDENT CARTER CONTINUES TO HAVE A ROLE OR PRESENCE IN MIDDLE EAST PEACE DISCUSSIONS. WORLD...
00:21:20 GUEST I DON'T THINK SO. IT IS INTERESTING, THE ANIMOSITY BETWEEN CLINTON AND CARTER. HE HAS NOT BEEN IN...
00:21:39 HOST DESMOND TUTU?
00:21:42 GUEST YES. I DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS STILL WITH HIM TO READ IF YOU TAKE THE TERM ELDERS AND YOU GO TO THE ...
00:22:57 HOST CALIFORNIA, SALLY FOR MIKE EVANS, REPUBLICAN COLUBRI-- REPUBLICAN CALLER. CALLER: I AM SORRY TO SAY...
00:24:57 GUEST WELL, I ALSO VOTED FOR JIMMY CARTER.
00:25:00 HOST BOTH TIMES?
00:25:04 GUEST NO, THE FIRST TIME HE RAN. BECAUSE OF MY FAITH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL PRESIDENT....
00:26:08 HOST OF YOU WERE SENT AS A TWEET. -- A VIEWER SENT IN A TWEED. DO YOU THINK HE IS AN ANTI- SEMITE?
00:26:22 GUEST I DON'T RECALL CALLING HIM AN ANTI-SEMITE. THAT IS A DANGEROUS WORD TO USE. I DON'T THINK HE IS AN...
00:27:18 HOST WHAT DID THE CAMP DAVID ACCORDS FAIL?
00:27:21 GUEST THEY DID NOT FAIL. HOW DID THEY FAIL?
00:27:27 HOST IN THE LONG RUN, DIVISION OF MIDDLE EAST PEACE.
00:27:32 GUEST BEGIN TOLD ME THAT HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH CARTER BECAUSE CARTER DID NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHERE HE...
00:29:02 HOST JAMES, DEMOCRATS LINE. CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. MR. EVANS IS THE FIRST PERSON WHO HAS...
00:30:27 HOST HIS VIEWS ARE ECHOED BY OF THE WORK OR WHITES ON TWITTER -- WRITES ON TWITTER --
00:30:39 GUEST WELL, THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE WITH WHAT NATION? I NEVER HEARD OF A PALESTINIAN LANGUAGE, FLAG, CULTURE....
00:31:54 HOST YOU MENTIONED BEING AN ADVISER OF MENACHEM BEGIN. WHAT IS YOUR BACKGROUND IN THE MIDDLE EAST?
00:32:05 GUEST I BECAME INVOLVED AS A VERY YOUNG MAN. THE SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRIME MINISTER BECAME MY MENTOR....
00:33:29 HOST WHAT WERE HIS, -- WHAT WERE HIS OPTIONS AT THE TIME?
00:33:33 HOST THE BA --
00:33:38 GUEST THE BACKWARD OPTIONS HAD FAILED. HE DID NOT WANT A MILITARY OPTION. WHEN YOU GIVE A TERRORIST REGIMES...
00:34:04 HOST MIKE EVANS WITH US UNTIL 10:00 EASTERN, TALKING ABOUT HIS BOOK, "JIMMY CARTER: THE LIBERAL LEFT AND...
00:34:19 GUEST SHORT. CALLER: THEY TOOK JIMMY CARTER AND SUED HIM OVER THE PANAMA CANAL. THEY WENT TO THE SUPREME...
00:35:15 GUEST I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH A LOSS OF -- WITH THE LAWSUIT SO I CANNOT SPEAK TO IT. LISTEN, JIMMY CARTER...
00:35:51 HOST WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF THE WORK HE HAS DONE WITH HIS CARTER CENTER?
00:35:56 GUEST I THINK THAT THE CARTER CENTER IS A FRONT FOR THE ARAB LEAGUE. THE AN OBLIQUE PUTS ENORMOUS AMOUNTS...
00:37:33 GUEST WELL, THANK YOU. I MET TWICE WITH THE EMPRESS OF IRAN IN THIS CITY. THE WIFE OF THAT SHAH. I SAID...
00:40:44 HOST YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 1976?
00:40:49 GUEST NO, 1983 I DO NOT KNOW IF IT WAS A PACK AT THE TIME, -- GUES19 NOW, 1980. I DO NOT KNOW IF IT WAS...
00:41:25 HOST DOES THAT CORRESPOND TO THE RESEARCH YOU WANT DONE?
00:41:30 GUEST NO, NOT REALLY. I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH BIBI NETANYAHU. I WAS ADVISING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POSITION....
00:42:31 HOST TENNESSEE. CALLER: I FORGET THE MAN'S NAME.
00:42:38 HOST MIKE EVANS. CALLER: THANKS FOR C-SPAN. HE IS USING A LOT OF WORK GAMES, BUT HE IS RIGHT ABOUT THE...
00:43:23 GUEST I SERVED IN THE ARMY, I WAS A MEDIC IN THE ARMY. I WAS NOT IN THE THE VIETNAM, BUT I SERVED IN A HOSPITAL...
00:44:03 HOST YOU WRITE IN THE BOOK ABOUT THE WAR IN IRAQ. "WHILE THE LIBERAL LEFT IN AMERICA AT SCREAMS ABOUT THE...
00:44:41 GUEST YOU HAD A GERMAN CHANCELLOR AND THE BRITISH PRIME MINISTER. THOSE THREE THAT THERE. 1979, JANUARY....
00:45:42 HOST FRANK, REPUBLICAN LINE. CALLER: MR. EVANS, MY NAME IS FRANK. MY BELIEF IS THAT WHEN THEY RAISE THE...
00:46:15 GUEST MY REAL NAME IS MY NAME, MIKE EVANS. I HAVE NEVER USED ANY OTHER NAMES BUT THAT NAME. IT IS THE NAME...
00:47:05 HOST NEW YORK. GOOD MORNING, YOU ARE ON THE AIR. I AM GOING TO PUT HIM ON HOLD AND GO TO NOBLESVILLE, INDIANA,...
00:48:23 GUEST THAT IS WHY I WROTE THE BOOK, TO COMPARE THEM AGREE. THEY BOTH RAN, AS I MENTIONED, ON HOPE AND CHANGE,...
00:49:02 HOST BACK TO THE SUBTITLE OF YOUR BOOK, "A CARTER-OBAMA PLAN THAT WILL NOT WORK." WHAT IS IT ABOUT PRESIDENT...
00:49:19 GUEST GOOD QUESTION, BILL READ OBAMA SUPPORTS WHAT IS CALLED THE SAUDI PLAN. -- GOOD QUESTION BILL. OBAMA...
00:50:08 HOST THIS WOULD BE A PALESTINIAN ARMY?
00:50:12 GUEST PALESTINIAN ARMY. THE DISTANCES ARE FEET, METERS. AND TREATIES WERE PALESTINIANS COULD FORM TREATIES...
00:50:49 HOST NEW YORK, DEMOCRATS LINE. CALLER: THIS GENTLEMAN DOES NOT KNOW THE BROAD ISSUES OF THE IRAN RELATIONSHIP...
00:51:38 GUEST I AGREE WITH YOU CONCERNING OPERATION AJAX AND THE CIA'S CODEWORD "LOCH BE A LADY TONIGHT." I MET...
00:52:14 HOST SUSIE ON THE INDEPENDENCE LINE. CALLER: 10 ACK-A -- CAN I TALK?
00:52:22 HOST YOU SURE CAN. CALLER: NUMBER ONE, ANTI-SEMITIC IS NOT APPLY ONLY TO JEWS, BUT ALL THE MIDDLE EASTERN...
00:53:25 GUEST THAT IS A LOT. YOU TALKED ABOUT ANTI-SEMITISM. IT IS A BROAD WORD. THERE'S A LOT OF ANTI-SEMITISM....
00:55:36 HOST ILLINOIS, CRAIG ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. MIKE, YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME IN MY HOME...
00:56:17 GUEST WELL, THERE HAS BEEN A MORE ACTIVIST ATTACKS IN THE CITY OF JERUSALEM THAN ANY CITY AND -- MORE TERRORIST...
00:57:27 HOST NEXT CALLER. CALLER: I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WAS IN THE SERVICE WHEN JIMMY CARTER WAS...
00:59:28 HOST LAST CALL OF THE MORNING.
00:59:31 GUEST I BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE. I WAS AT PEACE CONFERENCE AND I SAW A LOT OF HATRED IN PEOPLE'S EYES. I BELIEVE...
01:00:33 HOST DO YOU THINK APOLOGIZING TO THE IRANIANS WOULD EASE TENSIONS BETWEEN IRAN AND ISRAEL?
01:00:39 GUEST TELLING THE TRUTH COME H, PERIOD, WOULD HELP A LOT. YOU HAVE A REVOLUTIONARY THEOCRACY RIGHT NOW THAT...
01:01:05 HOST MIKE EVANS, AT THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK, "JIMMY CARTER: THE LIBERAL LEFT AND WORLD CHAOS," THANKS...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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