Guns and Liberty

Jun 17, 2009

West Hartford (CT) Public Library

Authors talked about the belief that guns are needed to stave off government tyranny. Mr. Horowitz argued that the belief is fundamentally incorrect and that insurrectionists are the real threat to freedom. Then Mr. Churchill talked about libertarian concerns and the origins and growth of the militia movement in the principle that the people must .. Read More
Authors talked about the belief that guns are needed to stave off government tyranny. Mr. Horowitz argued that the belief is fundamentally incorrect and that insurrectionists are the real threat to freedom. Then Mr. Churchill talked about libertarian concerns and the origins and growth of the militia movement in the principle that the people must be willing and able to resist tyranny. He also talked about the politics of fear. After remarks made in rebuttal, both authors responded to questions from members of the audience. Joshua Horowitz is the co-author, with Casey Anderson, of Guns, Democracy, and the Insurrectionist Idea (University of Michigan Press; April 29, 2009). Mr. Horowitz is executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence. An attorney, he was a visiting scholar at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Robert Churchill is the author of To Shake Their Guns in the Tyrant's Face: Libertarian Political Violence and the Origins of the Militia Movement (University of Michigan Press; March 3, 2009). He is an associate professor of early American history at Hartford University and has published numerous articles on the American Revolution and American political violence.

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00:00:25 Unidentified Speaker MY NAME IS ROBERT CHURCHILL, I'M PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HARTFORD, AND TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING...
00:01:19 Unidentified Speaker MY NAME IS JOSH HOROWITZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. AS PROFESSOR CHURCHILL SAID I'M...
00:17:50 Unidentified Speaker PROFESSOR ROBERT CHURCHILL IS SPEAKING NEXT. HE'S ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HARTFORD....
00:18:32 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOSH, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING ALL IT WAY. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I GUESS I...
00:42:12 Unidentified Speaker LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS. I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT CROWD...
00:50:17 Unidentified Speaker SO IF PEOPLE COULD HOLD ON TO THEIR QUESTIONS UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE MIC IN THEIR HAND, THAT...
00:52:57 Unidentified Speaker THERE'S ABOUT 300 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AND SOME PERCENTAGE OF THEM HAVE FIREARMS. DO YOU...
00:53:09 Unidentified Speaker IOWAN TO MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR. THIS -- MY BOOK IS NOT ABOUT FIREARMS POSSESSION. IN MY BOOK, I MAKE...
00:53:44 Unidentified Speaker SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEN IS WE'RE STUCK WITH IT, IS THAT RIGHT?
00:53:52 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT MY POLICY HAT ON, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK...
00:56:41 Unidentified Speaker I'M PETER COOK. I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT. HI, JOSH. LAST TIME I SAW YOU YOU WERE...
00:56:52 Unidentified Speaker DUAL FUNCTIONS.
00:56:53 Unidentified Speaker GOD, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START HERE, GUYS. A LITTLE CRITIQUE OF MY OWN. THIS IS CONNECTICUT, OKAY?...
00:59:23 Unidentified Speaker WE REALLY SORT OF SHOULD GET TO A QUESTION.
00:59:25 Unidentified Speaker WELL, HERE WE GO. THIS IS JUST A CRITIQUE RATHER THAN A QUESTION. AND IF YOU WANT IT PHRASED AS A...
00:59:53 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND?
00:59:57 Unidentified Speaker WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK -- I THINK THE STATE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS CLAUSE HAS BEEN INTERPRETED...
01:00:27 Unidentified Speaker AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT INFORMS A DEBATE I THINK IT IS CLEAR THAT THE STATES RETAIN...
01:00:50 Unidentified Speaker YOU KNOW, MY RESPONSE WOULD BE TO SAY THIS, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE'S AN INTEREST IN PUBLIC...
01:01:55 Unidentified Speaker GOOD EVENING. MR. CHURCHILL --
01:01:58 Unidentified Speaker YES.
01:02:00 Unidentified Speaker I'VE HEARD THE WORD REGULATE, REGULATION USED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. WOULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO THE...
01:02:22 Unidentified Speaker YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY A STUDENT OF CORNELL'S WHO'S WORKING ON THE QUESTION WHAT DOES THE PHRASE...
01:04:42 Unidentified Speaker FROM MY READING --
01:04:44 Unidentified Speaker DO USE THE MIC. IT'S ONLY FEEDING INTO THE
01:04:46 Unidentified Speaker OKAY.
01:04:48 Unidentified Speaker FROM MY READING OF THE TIME PERIOD, THE WORD "REGULATED" IN THE 1800s REALLY HAD THE MEANING THAT...
01:05:22 Unidentified Speaker THEY WERE REGULATED BY THE STATE, THOUGH. I MEAN, AS I SAY, I THINK IT HAS ADDITIONAL MEANINGS EXCEPT...
01:06:29 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS FOR PROFESSOR CHURCHILL, I GUESS. IN TERMS OF, THOUGH, INSURRECTIONAL IDEA AND THE MILITIA...
01:07:57 Unidentified Speaker THERE'S --
01:07:59 Unidentified Speaker SURE.
01:08:03 Unidentified Speaker WHAT I DO SEE IS 30,000 PEOPLE DYING EVERY YEAR FROM GUNS.
01:08:06 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT. THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THERE. AND I GUESS I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO TACKLE...
01:10:43 Unidentified Speaker YOU CAN'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING, RIGHT?
01:10:48 Unidentified Speaker THAT THE FREEMAN DID NOT DIE IS A GOOD THING.
01:10:50 Unidentified Speaker WELL, YOU KNOW --
01:10:52 Unidentified Speaker THAT PEOPLE DIED BY FIRE AT WACO IS A BAD THING. I'M PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE MAKING THOSE STATEMENTS....
01:11:06 Unidentified Speaker LET ME RESPOND BY THAT BY SAYING I THINK, YOU KNOW, THREATENING LAW ENFORCEMENT BY ASSASSINATION IS...
01:12:20 Unidentified Speaker I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS. I'LL USE RANDY WEAVER AS AN EXAMPLE. WHO'S A WHITE SUPREMACIST....
01:13:22 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THINK -- AND I THINK THAT IN MANY WAYS PROVES A POINT WHICH IS THIS. WHEN WE HAD OTHER SIMILAR...
01:14:23 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT BUT I GUESS THE PART OF THAT DEMOCRATIC PROCESS HAS TO BE THAT WHEN PEOPLE...
01:15:25 Unidentified Speaker I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'LL DISAGREE IN SOME WAY THAT STATE VIOLENCE -- THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF WAYS...
01:16:29 Unidentified Speaker WELL, WE CAN KEEP DOING THIS BUT LET'S TAKE ANOTHER QUESTION.
01:16:33 Unidentified Speaker MY NAME IS KRIS TO-RENO. I LIVE IN TOWN HERE. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS LIKE PETER BASICALLY HAD AND AGAIN,...
01:19:04 Unidentified Speaker WHAT'S THE QUESTION.
01:19:05 Unidentified Speaker I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION. I HAD A COMMENT. SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW -- YOU'RE CHIPPING AWAY AND...
01:19:14 Unidentified Speaker ONE OF THESE THINGS WE DIDN'T BRING UP TONIGHT. I THINK IF YOU READ MY BOOK YOU'LL FIND THAT I HAVE...
01:21:19 Unidentified Speaker I THINK WE HAVE THE ROOM UNTIL 9:00 OR DO WE NEED TO WRAP IT UP? [INAUDIBLE]
01:21:25 Unidentified Speaker LET'S TAKE ONE MORE QUESTION.
01:21:31 Unidentified Speaker OKAY.
01:21:33 Unidentified Speaker MY NAME IS DAVE. I JUST WANTED TO PUT A QUESTION OUT TO EVERYBODY HERE. IF A MAN EXERCISES A RIGHT...
01:22:15 Unidentified Speaker HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR A SECOND FOR A MICROPHONE.
01:22:20 Unidentified Speaker SHE'S GOT IT.
01:22:21 Unidentified Speaker BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A HOME INVASION UNLESS THE GUN IS HERE -- I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS...
01:22:44 Unidentified Speaker I GUESS WHAT I WOULD TRY TO -- I JUST WANT TO SORT OF SAY WE'RE IN SOME WAYS MOVING BACK INTO THE...
01:23:54 Unidentified Speaker MY CONCERN IS WHY IT'S CONSIDERED DEPOTIC, OPPRESSIVE TO BAN OR CONTROL THE PRIVATE USE OF ASSAULT...
01:24:19 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T THINK TO CONTROL THE USE OF GUNS -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE NRA AND I DISAGREE....
01:25:24 Unidentified Speaker WHICH IS WHY I THINK THIS DISCUSSION IS VERY IMPORTANT. DEPENDING ON HOW YOU INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION....
01:25:32 Unidentified Speaker WE NEED TO TAKE ONE LAST QUESTION AND THEN WE NEED TO WRAP UP 'CAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO SELL Y'ALL SOME...
01:25:43 Unidentified Speaker MY NAME IS MATT AND I'M A STUDENT AT CENTRAL CONNECTICUT UNIVERSITY. I THINK -- I BELIEVE THAT, BRINGING...
01:26:08 Unidentified Speaker GO AHEAD.
01:26:10 Unidentified Speaker YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY NEED MORE POWER. I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD -- KEEPING THE GOVERNMENT...
01:26:38 Unidentified Speaker WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE AS FAR AS WHO IS AN INSURRECTIONIST AND WHO IS NOT? I'M PERSONALLY ACTUALLY...
01:27:27 Unidentified Speaker I TAKE PROFESSOR CHURCHILL'S COMMENTS TOO SERIOUS ABOUT NOT TRYING TO DRAW THAT TOO BROADLY AND THAT...
01:28:01 Unidentified Speaker AND I WOULD JUST BRIEFLY SAY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THE FOUNDERS WANTED A WEAK GOVERNMENT. WHAT...
01:29:01 Unidentified Speaker LAST COMMENT I THINK THAT WASN'T WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION BUT IT WAS AN IDEA IS THAT THE PEOPLE DIDN'T...
01:29:11 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]
01:29:20 Unidentified Speaker JOSHUA HOROWITZ IS A VISITING SCHOLAR AT THE JOHNS HOPKINS BLOOMBERG SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH. ROBERT...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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