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WHAT INTERESTS ME IS WRITING A BOOK LIKE THIS, ROOSEVELT REALLY IS THE FATHER OF THE U.S. FISH AND... |
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THE TRAINING CENTER IS THE NATIONAL CONSERVATION TRAINING CENTER, ONE OF MANY PLACES DOUGLAS BRINKLEY... |
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WE TALK ABOUT THE EAGLE'S NEST AND OUR DISCUSSION WITH DOUG BRINKLEY ABOUT HIS BOOK ON CONSERVATION.... |
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THAT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO WE HAD A BALD EAGLES THAT STARTED TRYING TO BUILD A NEST. FIRST SEASON THEY... |
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WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS YOU ARE IN? |
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IUNTIL RECENTLY THE AMERICAN BALD EAGLE WAS ENDANGERED. IT IS BECAUSE OF WORK BY THE FISH AND WILDLIFE... |
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WHY DO YOU DO THIS JOB HERE AS A HISTORIAN? |
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I AM AN ENVIRONMENTAL HISTORIAN. THE DREAM FOR ME WAS TO WORK AT HISTORY JOB WHERE YOU COULD MAKE... |
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OF THE EAGLE'S NEST IS SEEN BY PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE VACANCY ON THE WEB. DOES THAT DO... |
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THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE HISTORY WEBSITE IS PRETTY GOOD. WE GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS THERE. ... |
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GIVE US A BACKGROUND ON HOW THIS INSTITUTION GOT HERE, WHERE IT IS IN THE COUNTRY CANTU SUPPORTS IT... |
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80 MILES NORTHWEST OF WASHINGTON, D.C. IN SHEPARD'S TOWN, WEST VIRGINIA. UNTIL THE PLACE WAS BUILT,... |
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HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST AND TO PAY FOR IT? |
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DISPLAYS COST ABOUT $150 MILLION FOR EVERYTHING WE SEE HERE. |
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WHO COBBERS IS RESPONSIBLE? |
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SENATOR ROBERT BYRD TO MAKE SURE -- MADE SURE WE HAD THE FUNDING TO BUILD IT. THE FIRST BUSH ADMINISTRATION... |
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HOW MANY BUILDINGS? |
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17, ON FIVE THE HUNDRED 40 ACRES. |
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HOW LONG DID IT TAKE? |
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THREE YEARS. |
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WHAT CAN A BOOK LIKE DOUGLAS BRINKLEY POE'S WRITING ABOUT CONSERVATION AND ABOUT THE ROOSEVELT TO... |
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A LOT. IT CAN HELP OUR EMPLOYEES, FOR THEM TO RECOGNIZE THEIR OWN HERITAGE. IT HELPED THE AMERICAN... |
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YOUR BACKGROUND, AND GRADUATED FROM HARVARD? |
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IN 1989 WITH A PH.D. IN HISTORY SCIENCE. |
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HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? |
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10 YEARS. THIS IS MY 10TH ANNIVERSARY. THE BEST PLACE I'VE EVER WORKED. I WAS A PROFESSOR AT HARVARD... |
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STEVE, YOUR BACKGROUND? |
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I HAVE A MASTER'S IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION FROM THE BHARTI SCHOOL AT HARVARD -- THE BANI SCHOOL--... |
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THERE ARE A LOT OF ARCHIVES IN THIS COUNTRY. THIS ONE IS DEVOTED TO FISH AND WILDLIFE. HOW IMPORTANT... |
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THIS IS GROUND ZERO FOR ANYONE WANTING TO DEAL WITH ISSUES OF WILDLIFE PROTECTION, BECAUSE IF IN THESE... |
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ONE OF THE PEOPLE YOU WRITE A LOT ABOUT IN YOUR BOOKS IS JOHN BURROUGHS. BEHIND YOU IS AN OLD PICTURE... |
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JOHN WAS A GREAT AMERICAN. HE WAS A TRANSCENDENTALIST. HE WAS TAKEN UNDER THE WING OF WALT WHITMAN... |
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YOU SAID JOHN BURROUGHS LOVED WALT WHITMAN. THEN YOU SAID THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAD ALWAYS... |
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WALT WHITMAN WAS GAY. DURING THE CIVIL WAR WALT WHITMAN ADOPTED JOHN BURROUGHS. YOU CANNOT TELL, WHEN... |
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WE'RE INES ARCHIVE FACILITY AT THE NATIONAL CENTER CONSERVATION CENTER FOR TRAINING. HOW MUCH TIME... |
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I WOULD COME DOWN HERE. I DID NOT SPEND MUCH TIME IN HIS ROOM. THIS IS A PLACE WHERE THEY KEEP THE... |
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GO BACK TO THE FIRST TIME YOU THOUGHT ABOUT COMING TO THIS FACILITY. HOW DID IT HAPPEN? |
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I WANTED TO BEGIN MY BOOK WITH THE BIRTH OF THE 51 FEDERAL BIRD RESERVATIONS ROOSEVELT CREATED. THE... |
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HOW DID YOU FIND THIS PLACE? |
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WHEN I WOULD START GOING TO THE SPOTS, THEY ALL SAID, DID YOU GO HERE, TO THE HEADQUARTERS? |
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I'M ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS FOR OTHERS. HOW THEN DID YOU GET IN THE DOOR? |
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I CALLED MARK MATHISEN, AN HISTORIAN FOR THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE. PART OF HIS JOB IS TO INTERFACE... |
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SO YOU CALLED PAUL MADISON -- MARK MADISON? |
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THAT'S RIGHT. I HAD BOOKS ALREADY, BUT THEY COULD FIND THIS KIND OF MATERIAL FOR ME. ALSO, CHECK WITH... |
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HOW LONG DO YOU SPEND YOUR? WHAT DO YOU DO WHILE YOU'RE HERE? |
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LOOK AT DOCUMENTS, LOOK AT BOOKS. ONE OF THE MOST HELPFUL THINGS IS NOT IN THIS ROOM, BUT OUT THERE... |
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HOW DO WE LOOK TO OTHER COUNTRIES? ARE THERE OTHER COUNTRIES DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING? |
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OLIVER TAMARON THE WORLD IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. ROOSEVELT, IN MY OPINION, WAS THE PROGENITOR OF THE... |
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HOW OFTEN IN YOUR RESEARCH FOR THIS BOOK DID YOU GO AWAY FROM EITHER A CONVERSATION OR PLACE AND SAY,... |
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ON THE GROUND, YOU MEAN? |
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DID YOU EVER GET IRRITATED BY THE ATTITUDE THAT SOMEBODY HAD IN RESEARCH OR ONE OF THESE FEDERAL AGENCIES... |
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I GIVE THEM THE HIGHEST SCORES ACROSS THE BOARD ON BEING OPEN BECAUSE NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE WRITING... |
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WHAT EVIDENCE DOES YOUR PUBLISHER HAVE THAT THIS KIND OF BOOK WOULD SELL? $35 APIECE, 1000 PAGES.... |
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YOU CAN GET IT ONLINE. WITH PRESIDENTIAL STUDIES AND BITTER ROOSEVELT IS BELOVED LIKE WASHINGTON OR... |
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WHAT ABOUT DARWIN? |
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ROOSEVELT'S FATHER WAS AN EARLY READER OF DARWIN. WE DON'T KNOW EXACT MOMENT TEDDY DISCOVERED DARWIN,... |
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WHY THE GLOVES? |
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THEY MAKE YOU WEAR THEM HERE. THEY DO AND A LOT OF ARCHIVAL PLACES. THIS IS FROM 1902. IT'S THE BIRTH... |
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HAS THAT EVER BEEN SEEN OUTSIDE OF YOUR? |
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YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK MARK. I DON'T KNOW. IT IS PROBABLY A MINOR WHEN SOMETHING WITH THE PELICAN ... |
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IT'S CLOSE TO VERO BEACH. I WOULD STAY IN VERO BEACH WHICH IS IN BETWEEN ST. AUGUSTINE AND PALM BEACH... |
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I'VE BEEN INTERVIEWING YOU 15 YEARS. HOW DO YOU REMEMBER ALL THIS? |
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I LOVE HISTORY. YOU KNOW THAT ABOUT ME. I HAVE A GOOD MEMORY, I GUESS, FOR THINGS WHEN I GET INTO... |
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PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY? |
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I DON'T KNOW. BUT MY ENTHUSIASM IS SO HIGH THAT WHEN I FIND DOCUMENTS, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND... |
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HOW DO YOU, WHEN YOU'RE DOING RESEARCH, KEEP TRACK OF IT ALL? WHAT IS YOUR SYSTEM? |
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STEPHEN AMBROSE, THE LATEST JAURON, TOLD ME TO ABANDON CHRONOLOGY AT YOUR OWN PERIL. I REALIZE EVENT--... |
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WHERE DO YOU PUT IT? IS IT ON CARDS OR PIECES OF PAPER? |
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NOTEBOOK AFTER NOTEBOOK, NOTE CARDS, A YELLOW LEGAL PADS, SPIRAL NOTEBOOKS. OUTPUT BOXES BY STATES... |
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HOW DO YOU INSURE YOUR MANUSCRIPT IS ACCURATE? |
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IT'S HARD. ALWAYS THAT THE NEW WORRY ABOUT THE MOST. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MISTAKE IN THE BOOK... |
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LIKE MARK MADISON, THE HISTORIAN. |
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I SENT HIM THE ENTIRE MANUSCRIPT BECAUSE HE'S WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE. I WOULD SEND INDIVIDUALS LIKE... |
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YOU HAVE SOME FIRST EDITION BOOKS WRITTEN BY THEATRE ROOSEVELT ON YOUR HAND. HOW MUCH DO YOU TRUST... |
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HE WROTE. ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE ASK ME IS HOW I WRITE SO MUCH? I'M NOTHING COMPARED TO THEODORE... |
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CAN IT BE TRUE THAT HE READ A BOOK A DAY? |
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YES. |
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HOW CAN GO ALL AROUND THE WORLD WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WE HAD AND THEN STILL READ A BOOK A DAY? |
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HE WAS A PHENOM. HIS MIND WAS AT SUCH A RAPID PACE. I'VE NOTICED THAT PEOPLE READ A LOT, REID QUICKER,... |
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, A NAVY EXPERIENCE? |
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0 HIS FIRST BOOK AND HARVARD CALLED "THE SUMMER BIRDS OF THE AT AROUND DOCKS POOKUTTY ROAD ABOUT BIRDS... |
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WHO TASED FOR YOUR TRAVELS TO ALL THESE SITES AND ALL THE RESEARCH? IS THAT-- WHO PAYS? |
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MY PUBLISHER AND GIVES ME AN ADVANCE. THIS BOOK ON THEATER ROOSEVELT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE FOR ME. |
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ANY IDEA? |
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I RENT THE CHEAPEST CAR I CAN AND STAY AT A MODEST INN WHEN I GO TO THESE PLACES, BUT NEVERTHELESS,... |
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HOW DID YOU KNOW IT WAS OVER? BUT THIS BOOK WAS FINISHED? WHAT WAS THE LAST MOMENT? |
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I ENDED THE BOOK -- I WROTE THE CHAPTERS ON THE EX- PRESIDENTS' IT, BUT I DID NOT WANT TO BRING THE... |
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THANK YOU, PROFESSOR BRINKLEY. |
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BRIAN, THANK YOU. HOST:[CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE] [CAPTIONS COPYRIGHT... |
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, HISTORY STANDPOINT, WHERE DID YOU FIND A DIFFERENT ARTIFACTS AND MATERIALS, DID YOU BRING THEM SOME... |
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GOOD QUESTION. MOST OF THE MATERIALS WE HAVE CAME FROM FISH HATCHERIES FROM THE FIELD, EVERYTHING... |
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THE THING THAT MOTIVATED US IS RACHEL CARSON IS OUR MOST OF FAMOUS EMPLOYEE. WHEN SHE RETIRED FROM... |
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WHO PUT THEM IN THE INCINERATOR? |
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THEY SAW NO VALUE BACK THEN. |
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PUT RACHEL CARSON IN HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE. |
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IT'S EASY. THEODORE ROOSEVELT WAS THE STARTING POINT FOR THE AMERICAN CONSERVATION MOVEMENT. RACHEL... |
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YOU TOLD ME YOU HAVE A SON NAMED THEODORE. YOUR RELATIONSHIP, ANY RELATIONSHIP THERE TO THE PRESIDENT?... |
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IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE. HE IS NAMED IN HONOR OF THEODORE ROOSEVELT. THEODORE ROOSEVELT HAD SO MANY... |
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YOU HAVE A FACILITY WHERE THERE ARE ROOMS WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME TO PUT ON A CONFERENCE. HOW DOES THAT... |
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THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT THIS PLACE IS IT IS A CENTER FOR CONSERVATION LEADERSHIP. THAT... |
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BUT YOU CANNOT JUST WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR? |
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NO. ANYONE INTERESTED IN COMING TO DO RESEARCH IN THE ARCHIVES, WERE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU, THOUGH. |
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THE NEED CREDENTIALS TO THE RESEARCHER? |
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THE ARCHIVE IS OPEN TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. MOST PEOPLE THAT COME BECAUSE IT'S A SERIOUS ARCHIVE,... |
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FIT THIS INTO THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE. WHO IS THE BOSS OF THE BOSS OF THE BOSS? |
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WE WORKED FOR THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR. OVERALL, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR. ABOVE THAT IT'S... |
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WHAT IS THE BUDGET FOR AN OPERATION LIKE THIS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? |
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A LITTLE MORE THAN $23 MILLION A YEAR. THAT GIVES US ALMOST 600 EVENTS PER YEAR AND MORE THAN 15,000... |
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INDUSTRY, HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING ALL THIS KIND OF EFFORT COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS 50 YEARS AGO? |
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I DON'T THINK WE ARE SPENDING MUCH MONEY AT ALL 50 YEARS AGO. I AM THE FIRST HISTORIAN WE HAVE HAD... |
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IF YOU COULD HAVE WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO MAKE OF THIS BETTER, WHAT WOULD YOU ASK FOR? |
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WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR WOULD BE FOR THE THE PUBLIC, THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN THE U.S. TO KNOW WHAT THE... |
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HOW MANY DIFFERENT PLACES ARE THERE IN THE U.S. UNDER THIS UMBRELLA? |
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ABOUT 800 FIELD STATIONS. WE MANAGE 150 MILLION ACRES. |
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WHAT WOULD YOU WISH FOR? |
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I WAS THERE BUT WOULD THINK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT WHEN THEY STUDY HISTORY. IT TRANSFORMS THINGS. ... |
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GENTLEMAN, THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU. [NATURE SOUNDS] [NATURE SOUNDS] |
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