Government Role in Protecting Pensions

May 22, 2009

C-SPAN | Washington Journal

Vincent Snowbarger talked about the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, the government agency that provides protection of pension plans in the United States. The agency is $33.5 billion in debt. Mr. Snowbarger discussed what the deficit means for the future of pension protection, especially in light of potential claims from General Motors and .. Read More
Vincent Snowbarger talked about the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, the government agency that provides protection of pension plans in the United States. The agency is $33.5 billion in debt. Mr. Snowbarger discussed what the deficit means for the future of pension protection, especially in light of potential claims from General Motors and Chrysler. He also responded to telephone calls and electronic mail.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:06 Unidentified Speaker "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" CONTINUES.
00:00:11 HOST VINCENT SNOWBARGER IS THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE PENSION BENEFIT GUARANTY CORPORATION. WHAT IS THE...
00:00:21 Unidentified Speaker WE RELEASE THAT INFORMATION AS OF MARCH 31. WE'RE RUNNING A DEFICIT OF ABOUT $33.5 BILLION.
00:00:30 HOST BILLION DOLLARS? WHY?
00:00:34 GUEST BY DEFINITION, WE TAKE OVER PENSION PLANS THAT ARE OVERFUNDED. WE TAKE IN THE ASSETS AND THE LIABILITIES....
00:00:54 HOST WHAT IS A PENSION PLAN AND YOU TOOK OVER IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS?
00:00:58 GUEST IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS -- WELL, WE JUST TOOK OVER THE PENSION PLAN FOR LENOX. OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE...
00:01:17 HOST WHAT ABOUT CHRYSLER, THEY JUST DECLARED A THANK YOU?
00:01:20 GUEST JUST BECAUSE THE COMPANY DECLARES THE GRANSEE DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL TERMINATE THEIR PENSION PLAN....
00:01:39 HOST LET'S SEE IF YOU DID TAKE OVER CHRYSLER'S PENSION PLAN, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT IT AND HOW WOULD IT...
00:01:48 GUEST WELL, WE KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT IT. WE KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT $5.5 BILLION IN UNDERFUNDING. ...
00:02:15 HOST WHAT ABOUT IF IT GM DECLARES BANKRUPTCY, DOES THAT KEEP YOU UP AT NIGHT?
00:02:20 GUEST FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, IT DOES. IT IS SOMETHING I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO COPE WITH, BUT...
00:02:52 HOST WE HAVE THE NUMBERS UP IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT VINCENT SNOWBARGER ABOUT THE PENSION BENEFIT GUARANTY...
00:03:18 GUEST WELL, I THINK WE'RE IN A TIME SPAN OR RECEIPT OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RUSHING TO PROVIDE A BAILOUT FOR...
00:03:57 HOST HUMANS IN THE COMPANY'S PAY PREMIUMS TO PBGC. WHAT KIND OF PREMIUMS WOULD A CHRYSLER OR DIEM PAY?
00:04:06 GUEST I CANNOT GIVE THE TOTAL NUMBER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU HOW IT IS STRUCTURED. BASICALLY, EVERY SPONSOR...
00:05:05 HOST LET'S HEAR FROM OUR AUDIENCE. ENTER IN PHILADELPHIA, YOUR FIRST UP WITH VINCENT SNOWBARGER. CALLER:...
00:05:34 GUEST THE ANSWER IS NO, WE DO NOT GUARANTEE THAT. THAT IS A PENSION, AS I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION, A PUBLIC...
00:06:09 HOST WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PRIVATE COMPANIES OFFER PENSIONS TODAY?
00:06:16 GUEST BE DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION AS OPPOSED TO JUST WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK OF AS A PENSION, 401K, WHICH...
00:06:36 HOST THAT YOU'D IRRESPONSIBLE FOR?
00:06:38 GUEST EXACTLY. IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, AN AWFUL LOT OF PUBLIC ENTITIES PROVIDE DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION PLANS...
00:06:52 HOST OUR PENSION PLANS KIND OF AN OLD WAY OF DOING BUSINESS? OUR COMPANIES COMING ON LINE NOW OFFERING PENSIONS?...
00:07:01 GUEST THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE IS NO. MICROSOFT DOES NOT HAVE A DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION PLAN. I THINK IT DEFINED...
00:07:59 HOST AMARILLO, TEXAS, REPUBLICAN. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I AM JUST WONDERING ON SOME OF THESE PENSIONS THAT...
00:08:25 GUEST LET ME EXPLAIN THAT, AT LEAST UNDER CURRENT LAW, PBGC DOES NOT RECEIVE ANY GOVERNMENT FUNDS WHATSOEVER....
00:09:36 HOST YOU DID NOT EVEN RECEIVE GOVERNMENT FUNDING FOR OPERATING EXPENSES?
00:09:40 GUEST NO.
00:09:45 HOST SO YOU ARE A QUASI FEDERAL AGENCY?
00:09:48 GUEST WE'RE A FEDERALLY OWNED FEDERAL CORPORATION.
00:09:51 HOST COMPARABLE TO A FREDDIE MAC OR SALLIE MAE?
00:09:54 GUEST WE DO NOT HAVE THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. IT IS DIRECTLY SAID IN OUR...
00:10:23 HOST HAVE THE START OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ON THE HILL? YOU ARE A FORMER CONGRESSMAN.
00:10:29 GUEST WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HILL FOR QUITE SOME TIME. IN 2006, THERE WAS A FAIRLY MAJOR...
00:11:41 HOST ARE YOU RECEIVING A GM PENSION NOW? CALLER: YES, BUT WE LOST OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. THE HOURLY PEOPLE...
00:12:22 HOST THANK YOU.
00:12:25 GUEST FIRST OF ALL, GOING BACK TO SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE...
00:13:05 HOST THOSE PENSION PLANS WHERE DOES PENSION BENEFIT GUARANTY CORPORATION INVEST ITS MONEY?
00:13:11 GUEST WOULD PROBABLY HAVE 30% OF OUR ASSETS IN EQUITY MARKETS, IN GENERAL. THAT LEAVES ABOUT 70% -- I SHOULD...
00:14:14 HOST ARE YOU ESSENTIALLY ALSO MANAGING SOME REALISTIC?
00:14:16 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT IS A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW. IN THE PAST, WE HAVE GONE TIMBERLAND AND SUBDIVISIONS...
00:14:28 HOST VIRGINIA, REPUBLICAN. CALLER: FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANKS TO C-SPAN. AT LEAST YOU CAN...
00:15:00 HOST SOUNDS LIKE HE HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED WITH THOSE NUMBERS?
00:15:07 GUEST THE ANSWER IS NO. WE REALLY HAVE NOT.
00:15:11 HOST ANY CONNECTION WHATSOEVER TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM?
00:15:15 GUEST THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND THE SOCIAL SECURITY. OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE TRADE INFORMATION...
00:15:25 HOST WE'RE SPEAKING WITH VINCENT SNOWBARGER OF PENSION BENEFIT GUARANTY CORPORATION. ALABAMA, ALEX ON OUR...
00:16:32 GUEST I WISH I COULD BE MORE HELPFUL TO YOU. THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC PLAN THAT WE DO NOT INSURE, SO I REALLY...
00:16:54 HOST DO YOU HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS?
00:16:57 GUEST WE HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS COMPOSED OF THREE CABINET SECRETARIES. SECRETARY OF LABOR IS OUR CHAIRMAN....
00:17:08 HOST AND OTHER PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS ON THE BOARD?
00:17:12 GUEST NO OTHER PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS ON THE BOARD ITSELF. CHOST: ALBANY, NEW YORK, REPUBLICAN. WE'RE MOVING...
00:18:40 GUEST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AGAIN STATE THAT IF AND GM DOES GO INTO BANKRUPTCY, WE ARE NOT AWARE OF...
00:19:04 HOST IF GM WERE TO TURN ITS PENSION PLAN OVER TO PENSION BENEFIT GUARANTY CORPORATION, IS THERE ANYTHING...
00:19:15 GUEST YOU OUR LARGEST TERMINATED PLAN THUS FAR WAS UNITED AIRLINES WITH ABOUT 120,000 PARTICIPANTS.
00:19:22 HOST STILL PAYING THOSE?
00:19:24 GUEST YES, WE ARE. GENERAL MOTORS WOULD BE ON THE MAGNITUDE OF 800,000. WE'RE TALKING A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE...
00:19:46 HOST DO YOU STAY IN CONTACT WITH GM OR CHRYSLER DURING THIS TIME? DO YOU HAVE CONTACT WITH THEM AT ALL...
00:19:55 GUEST WHEN THE COMPANY IS GOING THROUGH FINANCIAL DEBACLE SEE, WE'RE TYPICALLY IN PRETTY CLOSE TOUCH WITH...
00:20:16 HOST WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO GM TO GIVE ITS PENSION PLAN TO YOU? FROM A FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW?
00:20:24 GUEST FROM THEIR FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW? WELL, ALTHOUGH WE ALWAYS THINK OF CORPORATIONS ONLY THINKING OF...
00:20:55 HOST PENNSYLVANIA, A DEMOCRAT, YOU'RE ON WITH VINCENT SNOWBARGER OF THE PENSION BENEFIT GUARANTY CORPORATION....
00:21:11 HOST WHICH COMPANY? CALLER: IT WAS A COMPANY THAT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS IN THE EARLY 1990'S. IT WAS A WOMEN'S...
00:22:21 GUEST CONSOLIDATED LET ME SAY TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, IF YOUR BENEFITS IS THE PRESENT VALUE OF YOUR BENEFIT....
00:23:16 HOST HONOLULU, YOU'RE ON WITH A VINCENT SNOWBARGER. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT FOR SOME...
00:23:42 GUEST THANK YOU. CALLER: WE HAVE DEALT WITH YOUR PUEBLO OFFICE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN HELPFUL, COURTEOUS, AND...
00:24:04 GUEST APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
00:24:11 HOST AT SOMS SOMEBODY AS PART OF THIS PENSION, DO GET THE SAME PENSION AS SOMEBODY WHO WORKS FOR ANOTHER...
00:24:32 HOST SO YOU'RE ONLY RECEIVING ABOUT 30% OR 25% CALLER: YES, BECAUSE I ELECTED TO TAKE IT OUT NOW. UNDER...
00:25:00 HOST BUT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT PENSION BENEFIT GUARANTY CORPORATION WILL 100% GIVE YOU THE SAME PENSION...
00:25:20 HOST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING UP EARLY AND HELPING US OUT.
00:25:24 GUEST I DID NOT CATCH EXACTLY WHAT ROLE HE PLAYED. THIS SOUNDED LIKE HE MAY HAVE BEEN A PILOT. OBVIOUSLY,...
00:25:34 HOST ARE YOU STILL THERE? WHAT WAS YOUR JOB CALLER: I AM IT WAS A CAPTAIN.
00:25:41 HOST OK. CALLER: QUESTION I HAVE IS, BECAUSE I AM DRYING OUT MY MONEY NOW, THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY...
00:26:18 GUEST IT IS THE LATTER. THEY'RE ALL COMING ALTOGETHER. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DEFICIT WE HAVE, THAT IS ALL...
00:26:53 HOST NO MATTER HOW MUCH TO PUT IN?
00:26:59 GUEST WELL THAT IS AT AGE 65. SO IF YOU RETIRE EARLY, AS HE INDICATED THAT HE DID, THAT AMOUNT IS REDUCED...
00:27:55 HOST TIME FOR ONE MORE FROM KELLOGG, ORE., INDEPENDENT. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN. I...
00:28:09 HOST WE HAVE ONE MINUTE. CALLER: THE PROBLEM WAS TRUST FUNDS WERE COLLECTED. THERE WERE CALLED PRIVATE...
00:28:52 HOST THANK YOU FOR THAT. SOUND OF LECTURES TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC FUNDS. WHAT ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO MAY BE BOUGHT...
00:29:17 HOST OUR GUEST HAS BEEN VINCENT SNOWBARGER, THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF THE PBGC. WHY ACTING AND NOT DIRECTOR?...
00:29:27 GUEST I AM A CAREER EMPLOYEE OF THE GOVERNMENT. WE'RE WAITING FOR A POLITICALLY APPOINTED SENATE CONFIRMED...
00:29:34 HOST COULD IT BE YOU?
00:29:35 GUEST I DOUBT IT. I HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED, AND I AM NOT SURE I WOULD GIVE A POSITIVE RESPONSE HOST: THANK...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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