The First Tycoon

Apr 30, 2009

Museum of American Finance New York Public Library | Cullman (Dorothy and Lewis B.) Center for Scholars & Writers

T.J. Stiles talked about his book The First Tycoon: The Epic Life of Cornelius Vanderbilt (Knopf; April 21, 2009). In his book Mr. Stiles recounts the life of Cornelius Vanderbilt, who was central in the ascendancy of the American corporation and whose fleet of steamships and railroad holdings allowed him to posses one of the largest .. Read More
T.J. Stiles talked about his book The First Tycoon: The Epic Life of Cornelius Vanderbilt (Knopf; April 21, 2009). In his book Mr. Stiles recounts the life of Cornelius Vanderbilt, who was central in the ascendancy of the American corporation and whose fleet of steamships and railroad holdings allowed him to posses one of the largest fortunes in world history. T.J. Stiles discussed his book on stage with historical novelist, Kevin Baker. He also responded to questions from members of the audience. This event of the New York Public Library series "Conversations from the Cullman Center" was held on April 30, 2009, at 7 p.m. in the South Court Auditorium of the Schwarzman Building. This event was co-sponsored by the Museum of American Finance. T.J. Stiles is the author of Jesse James: Last Rebel of the Civil War, which was the recipient of the Peter Seaborg Award for Civil War Scholarship. Mr. Stiles formerly taught at Columbia University and was a Gilder Lehrman Fellow in American History at the New York Public Library's Dorothy and Lewis B. Cullman Center for Scholars and Writers.

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00:00:28 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU FOR COMING EVERYONE TO THIS EVENING, IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AT THE LIBRARY WHICH IS, ONCE...
00:07:41 Unidentified Speaker AND ALL BEFORE LUNCHTIME HE MEANT JUST THE JUST POSITION OF SKILLS AS A GREAT DEAL ABOUT WHAT AMERICA...
00:08:23 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I'M GOING TO DO PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES AND SAY THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. AS JEANNE MENTIONED...
00:12:28 Unidentified Speaker WHERE HE SEEMS TO BE AMAZINGLY HANDS ON.
00:12:32 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THAT IS TRUE. AT THE END OF HIS LIFE MUCH LESS SO. DURING HIS WHEN HE WAS A RAILROAD CHIEF...
00:13:12 Unidentified Speaker INTERESTINGLY OASIS SEEMS ABLE TO OUT COMPETE OTHERWISE WHETHER ON STEAMSHIPS OR ON RAILROADS, ALWAYS...
00:13:25 Unidentified Speaker IT IS NOT A VERY SEXY SUBJECT, BUT THAT IS A CONSISTENT TRADE THAT UC AND MANAGERS WHO ARE SUCCESSFUL,...
00:13:50 Unidentified Speaker IN IRAQ NEAR THE END OF THE BOOK AND HAVE THE START OF THE GRANGE AND IN THE POPULIST MOVEMENT FROM...
00:14:16 Unidentified Speaker THEY ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SPECIAL LEGISLATION BY THOMAS A. SCOTT WOULD GET...
00:14:38 Unidentified Speaker IN THAT SENSE IT WAS A ROUGH-AND-TUMBLE BUSINESS TIME WITH YOU DO FIND BUSINESS ARE PUBLIC ETHICS....
00:14:55 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS A REALLY INTERESTING TRADED HIS BECAUSE IS A BUSINESS PIERCE HAVE THIS SORT OF LOVE-HATE IS...
00:17:57 Unidentified Speaker AND MANY OF THE MORE PANIC AND HANGING ON FOR THE LIFE ENSURING SANS BERSTEIN BOTH.
00:18:02 Unidentified Speaker THERE WERE TWO SETS OF PASSENGERS, THE ONES WHO ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE RISING AND ONE CENSUS BUMPING...
00:18:17 Unidentified Speaker IN YOUR BOOK, BUT THAT ALL OF IT, A SORT OF NIA CONNERLY REWORKED HAD SENSE OF LA MCCOMBER THAT WAS...
00:18:44 Unidentified Speaker AND THAT IS INTERESTING TO AND A SENSE THAT YOU GO FROM THIS EARLY ERA OF, YOU KNOW STEAMBOATS FOR...
00:19:37 Unidentified Speaker AND HE ALMOST DID.
00:19:39 Unidentified Speaker THE PASSENGERS ON THE OTHER FERRY WHEN THEY GOT TO STATEN ISLAND THEY WRECKED ON THE FERRY HOUSE IN...
00:21:55 Unidentified Speaker CAN THIS FAMOUS RIVALRY IN THE AMERICAN PRESSED BETWEEN THESE BUSINESSMEN.
00:22:00 Unidentified Speaker AND THEY ACTUALLY STAR JONES PRINTING STOCK CERTIFICATES. THEY GET A PRINTING PRESS AND START PRINTING...
00:22:18 Unidentified Speaker YEAH, THERE WERE STRICT LAWS THAT REGULATED HOW MUCH YOU COULD, HOW MANY SHARES HE COULD ISSUE TO...
00:24:02 Unidentified Speaker HE KIND OF NEVER GAVE THEM FOR IT. THEY WERE TRYING TO CONTACT JIM THINSKINNED SAFEHOUSES.
00:24:07 Unidentified Speaker ONE OF MY FAVORITE EXAMPLES OF THAT, ABOUT THE TIME OF THE CIVIL WARS WHEN VANDERBILT STARTS TO GO...
00:27:07 Unidentified Speaker IT IS NOT PERSONAL, IT IS BUSINESS AND IT IS FUNNY TOO BECAUSE THE STORY IN OBVERT LEE SHOWS THE WHOLE...
00:28:51 Unidentified Speaker THIS.
00:28:53 Unidentified Speaker IS SPECIAL IN THE CASE OF CUBA. AFTER THE FALL OF THE SPANISH EMPIRE IN LATIN AMERICA, OF COURSE CUBA...
00:31:02 Unidentified Speaker IS GENERAL SHIPPED CONSISTED OF WATERING FRONTAL ATTACKS AGAINST COMPLETELY WELL DUG-IN POSITIONS....
00:31:08 Unidentified Speaker WHICH REFLECTED THE FILIBUSTER ATTITUDE, THE NORTH AMERICAN ATTITUDE TOWARD LET AMERICA. WE ARE AMERICANS...
00:33:35 Unidentified Speaker AND WALKER IS DOING ALL THESE THINGS LIKE COME HE BRINGS BACK SLAVERY INTO NICARAGUA, JUST HORRIBLE....
00:33:43 Unidentified Speaker HE HAD NO INTEREST IN-- AND THE NAPOLEONIC KITCHENS THAT HE WOULD CONQUERER ALL OF LATIN AMERICA SO...
00:34:32 Unidentified Speaker OR MERTZ SAYS. THIS ONE AMERICAN SCOTT I THINK WAS DOWN THERE. CAPTAIN SCOTT BUT VANDERBILT AS THE...
00:34:49 Unidentified Speaker THE ENTIRE WAR, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WITH OF LIVED IF AND BUILT SAID DONOUGH GUY INITIALLY SAID TELLS...
00:35:48 Unidentified Speaker IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE VANDERBILT UNSELL. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MOST LOGICAL FOR THE CANAL TO GO THROUGH...
00:35:57 Unidentified Speaker IT SEEMS THAT WAY. I DON'T KNOW THE LATER HISTORY, OF WHAT HAPPENED. I DO KNOW THAT ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES...
00:36:33 Unidentified Speaker ONE OF WALKER'S THINGS IN THE MIDST OF THE WAR HE ENDS UP BURNING DOWN THE CAPITOL. HE HAS JUST REALLY...
00:36:42 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY, IT REALLY WAS DEVASTATING AND SURELY IN INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL. HE WAS A DOCTOR EAGLE...
00:36:52 Unidentified Speaker ONE OF THESE THINGS WE HAVE COMPLETELY BLANK FROM OUR PAST. IT DOES NOT EXIST IN AMERICA ANYMORE AND...
00:37:05 Unidentified Speaker A MOVIE WITH THE MESSAGE THAT HAD HELICOPTERS COMING IN.
00:37:11 Unidentified Speaker IT IS VERY STRANGE. ANOTHER PART OF VANDERBILT AT WAR, THE WHOLE THING FOR, IN WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE...
00:37:49 Unidentified Speaker AND AGAIN, THIS GOES TO THE KIND OF COMPLEX NATURE OF VANDERBILT BECAUSE HE WAS SOMEBODY WHO FIRMLY,...
00:40:32 Unidentified Speaker IT WAS MUCH FASTER THAN THE MERRIMACK AND HAVE HIS RAM SO COULD MANEUVER.
00:40:39 Unidentified Speaker OR SIMPLY RUN IT DOWN, AND THEN HE REQUIP DEBT AS A CRUISER TO GO AFTER THE CONFEDERATE COMMERCE,...
00:41:07 Unidentified Speaker A HARD MAN TO LIVE WITH IT SEEMS, A HARD MAN ON HIS FAMILY. YOU KIND OF HINT THAT HE TOOK OUT A LOT...
00:42:10 Unidentified Speaker HE ACTUALLY, SOMETHING I FOUND OUT IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES WITH THE HELP OF THE STAFF THERE, THE...
00:42:32 Unidentified Speaker 5 FEET TALL, 200 POUNDS, STRAIGHT AS AN INDIAN.
00:42:34 Unidentified Speaker STANDING STRAIGHT AND TALL AS AN INDIAN AS HIS LONGTIME CLERK PUT IT, AND THIS IS A GUY WHO GOT INVOLVED...
00:43:44 Unidentified Speaker DID NOT EVEN DIE IN THE BATTLEFIELD. VANDERBILT WAS VERY BROKEN UP ABOUT IT AND I THINK IT CONTRIBUTED...
00:45:10 Unidentified Speaker THE HOLD TORTURE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FIRST WIFE AND HE PUT IN AN ASYLUM FOR A WHILE AND THEN TOOK...
00:45:24 Unidentified Speaker POSSIBLE. IS VERY HARD TO KNOW.
00:45:26 Unidentified Speaker THE THING ABOUT THE STATUTE FOR A MOMENT, THE PHYSICAL SCENE THAT VANDERBILT SHAPED, HE WAS THIS LAND...
00:46:28 Unidentified Speaker SOMEBODY TAKING GRAMERCY PARK IN RIPPING IT DOWN AND HAVING A TUNNEL BUILT THERE.
00:46:34 Unidentified Speaker 150 YEARS LATER, NO ONE HAD EVER HEARD OF GRAMERCY PARK. THIS KIND OF AMAZING HOW FAST NEW YORK WITH...
00:46:51 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TRACK DOWN. MAYBE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT BUT THIS FREEZE...
00:48:26 Unidentified Speaker THERE IS THE COMMON ARE STANDING IN THE TRACK THE KIND OF BREAKS AROUND HIM. THE CARS ARE JUST OVERWHELMED...
00:49:47 Unidentified Speaker WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW NEW YORK AT THIS TIME WAS A LOW-RISE CITY. AS DICKENS DESCRIBED IT IN THE...
00:50:49 Unidentified Speaker THE MACING DIFFICULTY OF PUTTING IN MODERN INDUSTRIAL POWER TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND...
00:50:59 Unidentified Speaker HE TRIED TO OPEN AN UNDERGROUND RAIL SYSTEM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CITY HALL AND DECIDED IT JUST WENT...
00:51:10 Unidentified Speaker ACTUALLY TARGET CORPORATION TO DO IT AND IN THE END DECIDED IT WOULD NOT PAY.
00:51:18 Unidentified Speaker WE DECIDED THAT TO THIS DAY TOO. HOW WAS IT IN TERMS OF--
00:51:26 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE GETTING SHORT ON TIME.
00:51:27 Unidentified Speaker IN TERMS OF WRITING THE BOOK, HOW WAS THAT-- YOU ALWAYS HEAR BUGGER FOR SAY THEY DO OR DON'T DO SOMEBODY...
00:51:40 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS A GOOD NOTE TO GO OUT ON. BRENDA MANNIX WHO IS A GREAT BIOGRAPHER, I THINK SHE ONCE WROTE...
00:52:54 Unidentified Speaker AND THE COMPLEXITIES SADLY COMES ACROSS IN THIS OUTSTANDING BOOKS. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR WRITING IT....
00:53:02 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] I GUESS IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS. [INAUDIBLE]
00:53:17 Unidentified Speaker DO WE HAVE A MIC FOR QUESTIONS?
00:53:22 Unidentified Speaker OKAY, GREAT. REMEMBER, NOETH RUNNING. ANYBODY? ONE OF THE QUOTES THAT MILLION BAGS BE APOCRYPHAL...
00:54:02 Unidentified Speaker YES, THAT IS CONSIDERED THE MOST FAMOUS LETTER PROBABLY IN AMERICAN BUSINESS HISTORY. GENTLEMEN YOU...
00:55:54 Unidentified Speaker SO HE WAS ESSENTIALLY AMERICAN. HE WAS GOING TO SUE FIRST.
00:55:59 Unidentified Speaker AS A MATTER THAT THIS IS SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING. IN RESEARCHING THIS BOOK THAT COURT RECORDS WERE...
00:57:18 Unidentified Speaker IT'S INTERESTING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR LITIGIOUS SOCIETY TODAY.
00:57:23 Unidentified Speaker LITSCH AEGIS SIDEY COME EXACTLY. THE FIRST LAWSUIT THAT DEFILED WAS IN 1816 WHEN HE WAS 22 YEARS ...
00:57:50 Unidentified Speaker TO QUESTIONS. FIRST, TO WATCH GOSSIP GIRL?
00:57:56 Unidentified Speaker YOU KNOW THERE IS AN ASCENDENT SUPPOSEDLY ON THE SHOW ON GOSSIP GIRL AND LAST WEEK ONE OF THEM SAID...
00:58:15 Unidentified Speaker GIVE ME A CHANCE TO ANSWER THAT ONE.
00:58:17 Unidentified Speaker IN YOUR ESTIMATION, DID ANY OF THE LATER FIGURES, THE ONES THAT WE NOW KNOW AS THE ROBBER BARONS,...
00:58:38 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE A BIOGRAPHER, YOU AUTOMATICALLY ECHAVESTE...
01:01:10 Unidentified Speaker THE MOST COMPARABLE FIGURE IT SEEMS TO ME IN TERMS OF THE HANDS ON BUILDING OF SOMETHING IS FORD, WHO...
01:02:01 Unidentified Speaker HIS GIANT LEAPS THAT HE NEPA ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE BOOK IS ALMOST A HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN...
01:03:03 Unidentified Speaker THE MIC IS COMING. [INAUDIBLE] IN TERMS OF THIS WHOLE LIFE?
01:03:10 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE THERE IS A BOOK, THE DADE WALL STREET EXPLODED. WE HAVE SEEN...
01:04:19 Unidentified Speaker HE WAS EVEN DRAG RACING IN UPPER MANHATTAN.
01:04:22 Unidentified Speaker HE WAS THE GUY WHO FELT COULD TAKE YOUR HIMSELF AND I DON'T THINK HE EVER GAVE INTO PERSONAL THREATS,...
01:04:30 Unidentified Speaker IT IS INTERESTING HE DIED JUST BEFORE THE KIND OF CLASS WAR IN THE U.S. REALLY HEATS UP IN LATER IN...
01:04:47 Unidentified Speaker YEAH AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I TRY TO BRING OUT IN MY BOOK. ONE REASON WHY I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE...
01:05:58 Unidentified Speaker IT WAS HIS GRANDDAUGHTER. AND I THINK IT IS INTERESTING THAT WILLIAM VANDERBILT-- VANDERBILT HAD WHAT...
01:06:54 Unidentified Speaker WITH ALL OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS, DID HE NEVER THINK OF SCIENCE, MEDICINE? WITH THAT SORT OF GUN?
01:07:02 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. AS A LITTLE SIDE NO, THROUGH MUCH OF HIS LIFE, WHAT WE THINK OF AS MODERN...
01:09:18 Unidentified Speaker WHAT WOULD VANDERBILT SAY TO WILL RIGHT NOW? ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THEIR FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND...
01:09:28 Unidentified Speaker HE WOULD WONDER FIRST OF ALL HOW A BLACK MAN BECAME PRESIDENT. I THINK THAT WOULD ASTOUND HIM. THAT...
01:11:35 Unidentified Speaker I THINK HE WOULD BE LITTLE ASTONISHED BY BUSINESSMEN WHO EXPECTED THE GOVERNMENT TO BAIL THEM OUT...
01:11:45 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
01:11:47 Unidentified Speaker HE WOULD BE AMAZED AT THAT, THE IDEA YOU COULD RELY AND SOMEBODY ELSE FOR THE MONEY AND STILL EXPECT...
01:11:56 Unidentified Speaker YOU MAKE YOUR BETS AND YOU LIVE BY A THE RESULT WAS HIS BELIEF THAT WHEN HE LOST, HE DID EVERYTHING...
01:12:22 Unidentified Speaker T.J. STILES IS THE AUTHOR OF 'JESSE JAMES: LAST REBEL OF THE CIVIL WAR," WHICH WON THE AWARD FOR CIVIL...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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