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DON'T THEY HAVE ANY INSIDERS? |
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YOU KNOW, I'VE ONLY BEEN AT THE TIMES FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT I'VE ALREADY MET PEOPLE WORKING FOR... |
| 00:01:27 |
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IN YOUR BOOK PRIVILEGE, YOU WROTE ABOUT THE TIMES BEING A DAILY BIBLE AT HARVARD. EXPLAIN THAT. |
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I THINK THAT THE TIMES -- AND THIS HAS BEEN TRUE HAS VERY EFFECTIVELY POSITIONED ITSELF AS NOT JUST... |
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HOW MANY COLUMNS HAVE YOU WRITTEN FOR THEM? |
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TWO. |
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AND THE YOUNGEST COLUMNIST ON THE OP ED PAGE IN HISTORY. |
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I'M TOLD THAT. YES. ALTHOUGH I'M NOT ON THE OP ED PAGE YET. THEY HAVE ME WRITING AN ONLINE COLUMN... |
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WHAT'S YOUR DEAL? WHO CAME TO YOU? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? |
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THEY APPROACHED ME FOR SOME CONVERSATIONS, IT'S MAY SO THEY APPROACHED ME SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. AND... |
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN? |
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IT'S A FULL TIME JOB. I WORK FOR THE TIMES NOW AND I'M THERE, I THINK THERE'S SORT OF A TWO-YEAR CONTRACT... |
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HOW MUCH OF A GUARANTEE DO YOU HAVE TO END UP IN THE PAPER? |
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THEY'VE PROMISED ME THAT I WILL. SO I TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD. |
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BACK IN HARVARD? |
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THEY SEND ME E-MAILS SO I KNOW WHAT THEY THINK. I'M STILL FRIENDS WITH MOST OF THEM. I THINK EVERYBODY... |
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WHAT'S IT MEAN TO YOU? |
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I WOULD SAY IN A CERTAIN RESPECT, AND I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTATE THIS, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY I WOULD SAY... |
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WHAT DOES THE TIMES EXPECT OF YOU? WHAT POINT OF VIEW ARE THEY EXPECTING? |
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THEY'VE MADE NO REQUESTS FOR A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW. IN FACT, I THINK IN SPITE OF WHAT THE HEADLINES... |
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GIVE US A COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS ON WHAT YOU THINK THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS. |
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WELL, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POSSIBLE FUTURES. I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS, TO MAKE A VERY... |
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WHO ARE YOUR FAVORITE POLITICAL THINKERS? |
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ANY TIME? |
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IF YOU HAD TO NAME FIVE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE FOLLOWED AND ADMIRED THEIR THINKING, JUST TAKE A SHOT... |
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OK. WELL, MAYBE I'LL START WITH CHRISTOPHER LASH, WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF A BOOK THAT WAS VERY INFLUENTIAL... |
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A SECOND ONE. |
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WELL, IF I CAN LUMP THEM TOGETHER, IF THAT'S OK, I WOULD SAY ALSO THE ORIGINAL GENERATION OF NEO CONSERVATIVES... |
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THE IMPACT THAT YOU TOOK BILL CRYSTAL'S PLACE AT THE "NEW YORK TIMES," MATTER? |
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I DON'T THINK SO. AND I THINK PEOPLE MAKE WAY TOO MUCH OF THIS. AS I SAID BEFORE, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S... |
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THIRD ON THIS LIST. |
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THIRD ON THIS LIST, I'LL MAKE AN OBVIOUS CHOICE AND SAY WILLIAM F. BUCKLY, JUNIOR. I THINK PARTICULARLY... |
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HIS BOOK, DID THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON YOU AND WHY YOU WROTE THE BOOK ON HARVARD CALLED "PRIVILEGE"?... |
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IT HAD SOME IMPACT. YOU CAN'T BE A CONSERVATIVE WITHOUT WRITING ABOUT A LIBERAL INSTITUTION. I THINK... |
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IS IT TRUE YOU WENT SKINNY DIPPING WITH BILL BUCKLY? |
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IT'S TRUE. |
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WHAT WAS THE OCCASION? |
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I WAS AN INTERN AT NATIONAL REVIEW IN THE SUMMER OF 2001, AND HE MADE IT A HABIT, I THINK, OF BEING... |
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ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THAT FOR YOU? |
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IT WAS AN UNUSUAL EXPERIENCE ALL TOLD. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH WRITTEN ABOUT HIM SINCE HIS... |
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YOU WORBLINGD AT THE MAGAZINE. |
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I WORKED AT THE MAGAZINE. |
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BUT AS AN INTERN FOR THREE MONTHS. |
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FOURTH ON YOUR LIST. WE'VE GOT FIVE. |
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AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONTEMPORARY. WHO WOULD YOU PICK IN HISTORY MAYBE WHEN YOU STARTED THINKING... |
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RIGHT. SO THERE'S G.K. CHESTERTON. AND I'M A CONVERT TO CATSDZOLICISM. I CONVERTED WHEN I WAS 17.... |
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BEFORE THAT THIS |
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IT'S SORT OF A LONG INVOLVED STORY BUT I WAS BAPTIZED EPISCOPALIAN AND RAISED. BUT AT THE SAME TIME... |
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LET'S GO THROUGH THE BASICS. YOU WERE BORN IN WHAT TOWN? |
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I WAS BORN IN SAN FRANCISCO IN 1979. |
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IN NOVEMBER OF 1979. |
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YES. I JUST EXPERIENCED THE 70'S. |
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THE REASON I MENTIONED NOVEMBER, IS THIS NETWORK STARTED IN MARCH OF 79. |
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SO C-SPAN WAS HERE BEFORE I WAS BORN. |
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I DON'T KNOW WHY IT MATTERS, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING TO HAVE YOU SITTING IN THAT CHAIR.... |
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HERE I AM. I HEAR THE WORLD WAS AN INTERESTING PLACE EVEN BEFORE I GOT HERE THOUGH. SO NO, MY FATHER... |
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THEIR POLITICS? |
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THEY DIED IN THE WOOL LIBERALS WHEN I WAS YOUNG. THEY I WOULDN'T SAY HIPIES PRECISELY, BUT CLOSE ENOUGH... |
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AND I WAS ALL FOR BILL CLINTON. BUT BOTH MYSELF AND MY PARENTS MOVED RIGHTWARD IN DIFFERENT WAYS.... |
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YOU WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL? |
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HAM DEN HALL. |
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DOES IT HAVE A RELIGIOUS CONNECTION? |
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NO. |
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SIX YEARS. |
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IN A WORD OR IN A SENTENCE, WHAT IMPACT DID THAT EXPERIENCE HAVE ON YOU? |
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IN A WORD? |
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IN A SENTENCE OR TWO. |
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I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE WERE THREE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AROUND NEW HAVEN, AND I THINK OF THOSE THE ATMOSPHERE... |
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INTELLECTUALLY? |
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WHEN DID YOU START BEGINNING THINKING LIKE YOU DO NOW? |
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IN HIGH SCHOOL. I WAS A REBELLIOUS CONSERVATIVE IN A SCHOOL WHERE MOST OF THE TEACHERS AND MY FRIENDS... |
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AFTER HARVARD, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN BETWEEN HARVARD AND NOW? |
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I'VE BEEN AT THE ATLANTIC FOR MY ENTIRE CAREER UNTIL NOW. |
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THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY? |
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ALTHOUGH IT'S NOW JUST THE ATLANTIC. |
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DAVID BRADLEY. |
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WHO IS? |
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HE IS -- HE MADE HIS FOR TUNE IN HEALTH CARE CONSULTING AND NOW OWNS A SMALL MEDIA EMPIRE, VERY SMALL.... |
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IS THERE ANY WAY? THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE WOULD KNOW. |
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JAMES BENNETT IS THE EDITOR. MICHAEL KELLY WAS THE EDITOR WHEN I STARTED. |
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HE DIED IN IRAQ? |
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HE DIED IN IRAQ. BUT I STARTED AS A RESEARCHER. THE MAGAZINE WAS BASED IN BOSTON WHEN I STARTED AND... |
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HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE AT THAT MAGAZINE WOULD THINK LIKE YOU? |
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EXACTLY LIKE ME? NONE. |
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OR CONSERVATIVE. |
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I THINK THAT THE ATLANTIC CERTAINLY IS A NONIDEA LOGICAL MAGAZINE. IT'S A MAGAZINE FROM MY POINT ... |
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AND YOU WERE THERE SEN YEARS. AND THEN WHAT? |
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AND I WAS STILL THERE WHEN THE TIMES OFFERED ME A JOB. |
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AND YOU'RE MARRIED. |
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I'M MARRIED. |
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FOR HOW LONG AND WHO DID YOU MARRY? |
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I'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR A YEAR AND SEVEN MONTHS. AND I MARRIED ABIGAIL TUCKER, WHO I MET AT HARVARD... |
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WE FOUND THIS OUT AFTER WE ASKED YOU TO COME DO THIS TODAY. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE DONE SOME |
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YES. |
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IT TURNS OUT, AND THE AUDIENCE OUGHT TO KNOW THIS BUT THERE'S NO CONNECTION AT ALL. THE FIRST DOLLAR... |
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BUT I'M GOING TO RUN A CLIP HERE FROM YOUR -- A SHORT CLIP BACK AND FOURTH WITH CHRIS ORR. AND WE'RE... |
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IT'S BASICALLY AN ONLINE TALK SHOW ABOUT POLITICS BUT ALSO ABOUT SCIENCE, CULTURE, IDEAS AND SO ON.... |
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BUT IT IS FOR PROFIT? |
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IT IS FOR PROFIT. ROBERT WRIGHT, WHO IS THE FOUNDER IS ALSO A WELL KNOWN AUTTEDSOR OF NONZERO AND... |
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LET'S WATCH A MINUTE OR SO SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKEDS LIKE. |
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DOING A KIND OF YOU COULD CALL IT LIKE SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE RAUVEN. |
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YEAH. |
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THERE IS SORT OF A SUBVRS IVELY PRO-VIRGE INTY MESSAGE. I GUESS GOING ON WIT. BUT I THINK THAT BOTH... |
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WELL, HERE'S WHERE WE CAN DISAGREE. |
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GOOD. |
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REALLY, IT'S JUST A SHOW. |
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VERY HIGH-BROW, PEOPLE TALKING POM PUSSLY ABOUT MOVIES. |
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVIES. |
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YEAH. |
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I WANT TO GO TO YOUR BOOK "PRIVILEGE." WHAT YEAR WAS IT PUBLISHED? |
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2005. |
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WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA? IT WAS PUBLISHED BY A MAJOR |
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YES. |
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HOW OLD WERE YOU IN 2005? |
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I WAS 25. |
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WHEN DID YOU START WRITING THE BOOK? |
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IT WAS IN THE FALL OF 2002. SO I WOULD HAVE BEEN 23. |
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WHY DID YOU THINK AT THAT AGE YOU HAD A BOOK IN YOU? |
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I WAS YOUNG AND ARROGANT. I THINK THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYINGING. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY A PROJECT AT... |
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GO BACK TO 2002 FOR A MOMENT AND JUST, WHO DID YOU PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL? |
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I HAD ONE OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS AT THE ATLANTIC HAD INTERVIEWED FOR A JOB WITH AN AGENT IN WASHINGTON,... |
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HOW DID IT DO? |
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I DON'T THINK IT WAS A ROARING SUCK SESS. IT CAME OUT -- SUCCESS. IT CAME OUT IN THE WAKE OF WHILE... |
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WHY WAS THAT? |
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THIS WAS WHEN HE WAS FINALLY PRESSURED TO RESIGNING AS THE PRESIDENT OF HARVARD AND THE PROSM MAT... |
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OUR LAST TWO PRESIDENTS WENT TO HARVARD, AND LOTS OF OTHERS HERE IN THIS TOWN HAVE BEEN TO HARVARD.... |
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IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU MEAN. IT'S NOT IMPORTANT IN THE SENSE, THERE ISN'T A CONCONSPIRACYY WHERE THE... |
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HOW BIG IS IT? HOW MANY KIDS GO THERE? |
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1,600 TO 2,000 GRADUATE EVERY YEAR. BUT IN THE BOOK I ARGUED I THINK ACCURATELY THAT LOOKING AT HARVARD... |
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WHAT KIND OF AN S.A.T. DID YOU NEED TO GET IN? |
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I HAD A HIGH S.A.T. SCORE. |
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DID YOU GET A 1600? |
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YES. |
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IT'S A CLASSIC SORT OF HARVARD HEDGE, YOU'RE TRYING TO BE MODEST. HARVARD KIDS ARE ALWAYS TELLING... |
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WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN THE SCORE CAME IN? |
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I WAS PRETTY EXCITED. |
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A PERFECT SCORE. |
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YOU CAN GET A COUPLE QUESTIONS WRONG. AND I GT A COUPLE QUESTIONS WRONG ON THE MATH. |
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TIME HAS GONE BY. I FOUND THIS CHAPTER TO BE A WAY FOR YOU TO TELL US WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT... |
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YES. HE WAS MY FRESHMAN YEAR A HOMELESS MAN LIVING IN CAME BRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS, WHO EVENTUALLY... |
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WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE HOUSE? |
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STRAWS AND STRAWS HALL STRAWS AND STRAUSS HALL. IT WAS NOT IMMEDIATELY APPARENT THAT HE WAS A HOMELESS... |
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BEFORE YOU DO, PAINT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR GROUP THERE THAT YOU LIVED WITH. |
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RIGHT. THIS ROOM ACROSS THE HALL I WROTE ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE DISTILLATION OF HARVARD... |
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NAME? |
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FORTH SHELBY. |
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ALL THOSE ARE SUED ANYMORE? |
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YES. AND -- SUDENIM. |
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SO THERE WAS HIM AND THERE WAS MY FRIEND NICK I BELIEVE -- |
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NICK AND DAMIAN? |
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YEAH. |
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AND THEN IS IT SIDHAR? |
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AN INDIAN AMERICAN, AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FROM PARTY. DETECTOR CO-AUTHOR IS IN NEW YORK TIMES TWICE... |
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ROSS DOUTHAT, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. |
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THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. [CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE] [CAPTIONS COPYRIGHT... |
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