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THIS HEARING WILL COME TO ORDER. I'M DELIGHTED TO WELCOME OUR WITNESSES AND MY COLLEAGUES TO THIS... |
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THIS IMPORTANT HEARING. EARLIER THIS WEEK I WAS INVITED BY A GROUP OF HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL ABOUT... |
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I JOIN YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN WELCOMING THIS DISTINGUISHED PANEL OF MEMBERS OF THE ARMED SERVICES WHO... |
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COUNTRY IN COMBAT. AS PRESIDENT OBAMA LAUNCHES A NEW INITIATIVE IN AFGHANISTAN AND THE CONGRESS PREPARES... |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, SENATOR LUGAR LUGAR. LET US TURN NOW TO OUR WITNESSES AND AGAIN LET ME SAY HOW... |
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COME HERE AND SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCES AND YOUR INSIGHTS. SOME OF YOU HAVE COME A LONG WAY. IN THE... |
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SENATOR KERRY, RANKING MEMBERR LUGAR,R,ND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THAHA Y Y FOR ALLOLONG ME THE... |
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ANAND I SVED WITH THE U.S. AY GHGHANISTAN DUNGNG OPETITION ENDURIRING FREEDOM IN 2006. DURING MY 40... |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE THOUGHTFUL TESTIMONY. NEXT IS RICK. |
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NEXT IS RICK. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK SENATOR KERRY FOR GIVING THE INSPIRATION OF BEING HERE TODAY.... |
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FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK SENATOR KERRY FOR GIVING THE INSPIRATION OF BEING HERE TODAY. I SIT HERE... |
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WERE EXPRESSING YOUR OPINIONS ON THE VIETNAM WAR AND SIMILARLY WANT TO EXPRESS MY OPINIONS ABOUT THIS... |
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Translator: THANK YOU, |
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THANK YOU, MR. REYES. APPRECIATE IT. PLEASE, EVERYBODY. |
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I WANT TO THANK CHAIRMAN KERRY, SENATOR LUGAR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR ASKING ME TO TESTIFY.... |
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MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR |
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ASKING ME TO TESTIFY. |
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I AM HONORED AND HUMBLED. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF THE DOUBT THAT THE... |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY VERY, VERY MUCH. MR. MOORE. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE FOR THIS TIME, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I... |
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COMMITTEE FOR THIS TIME, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY THANK YOU FOR |
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ACKNOWLEDGING THE IMPORTANCE OF HEARING FROM JUNIOR OFFICERS AND NCOs. I BELIEVE I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CAPTAIN. VERY IMPORTANT TESTIMONY. COLONEL BACEVICH, YOU... |
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WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF PRESENTING MY VIEWS TO THIS COMMITTEE. I'M PARTICULARLY HONORED... |
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SO ALONGSIDE THESE VETERAN OF THE AFGHANISTAN WAR. MEMBERS OF THIS GENERATION HAVE COME TO KNOW WAR... |
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PLEASE, FOLKS, WE WILL HAVE NO DEMONSTRATIONS OF ANY KIND BEFORE, AGAINST, IN THE MIDDLE EITHER WAY.... |
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BEFORE, AGAINST, IN THE MIDDLE EITHER WAY. BUT I APPRECIATE -- THANK YOU FOR THE TESTIMONY. VERY... |
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YOU KNOW, MY PRELIMINARY REPORT CARD OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WOULD GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION VERY... |
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IN THE SENSE THAT SOME OF THE BLUNTLY SPEAKING IDEOLOGICAL FANTASIES THAT SEEM TO INFORM THINKING... |
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WELL, I'VE SAID THAT I AGREE WITH THAT. AND THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES DO YOU DEFINE THE CHALLENGE... |
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YOU DEFINE THE CHALLENGE TODAY NOT JUST IN AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN BUT IN OTHER PLACES AS A KIND... |
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I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE THE VIETNAM COMPARISON IS RELEVANT. BECAUSE THOSE WHO -- THE... |
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ARCHITECTS OF THAT WAR INSISTED THAT ONCE WE MADE THE COMMITMENT OF AMERICANIZING THE WAR, THAT THERE... |
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WHAT DO YOU AS THE TROOPS WHO ARE ON THE GROUND TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THIS STRATEGY FEEL ABOUT WHAT... |
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BUT ALSO IS THERE TIME IN YOUR JUDGMENT, IF THE GIVEN THE SHIFT THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT ARTICULATED... |
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THANKS, SIR. ACTUALLY, IN LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS, I ACTUALLY WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE THAT THERE NEEDS... |
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NEEDS TO BE -- WE NEED TO HOLISTICALLY APPROACH HOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT... |
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MY QUESTION, IS CAPTAIN, CAN WE EVER PROVIDE ADEQUATE SECURITY ABOUT THE COMMITMENT THAT DIGS YOU... |
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THAT'S THE BALANCE? WELL, IT'S NOT CAN WE PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE SECURITY. IT IS CAN WE PUT TOGETHER... |
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WELL, IT'S NOT CAN WE PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE SECURITY. IT IS CAN WE PUT TOGETHER THE RESOURCES TO HELP... |
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THE ANSWER IS YES. YOU BELIEVE WE CAN. YES, SIR. YOU BELIEVE ON THE GROUND WITH AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT... |
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YOU BELIEVE WE CAN. |
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YES, SIR. |
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YOU BELIEVE ON THE GROUND WITH AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF FOCUS NOW ON THE TRIBAL, MORE LOCAL ANTI-CORRUPTION... |
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NOW ON THE TRIBAL, MORE LOCAL |
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ANTI-CORRUPTION AND OTHER KINDS |
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OF EFFORT, YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN THE ABILITY TO MAKE PROGRESS IN THAT. SIR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT... |
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SIR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRESS THAT THE AFGHAN NATIONAL POLICE AND NATIONAL ARMY HAS MADE EVEN... |
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FOUR YEARS SH IT'S QUITE SIGNIFICANT. THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE ON ROLL ROS. THEY'RE MORE COMPETENT AND... |
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SERGEANT CHASE? |
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SIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BACK UP WHAT WES SAID. AND I DO AGREE WITH SOME THINS THAT THE COLONEL HAS... |
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AND I DO AGREE WITH SOME THINS |
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THAT THE COLONEL HAS SAID EXCEPT FOR I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE US BACK A MINUTE TO THE SOVIET INVASION... |
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YOU'RE DOING GREAT. WE FOCUSED SO MUCH OF OUR EFFORTS FOR GETTING RID OF AL QAEDA AND OSAMA BIN LADEN.... |
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I'VE EXCEEDED MY TIME. SERGEANT McGURK AND MR. REYES, WHY DON'T YOU COME IN WITH SENATOR LUGER SO... |
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SENATOR LUGER SO WE CAN GET AROUND THE DAIS AND WE CAN WEAVE IN, IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH? ALL RIGHT. YOU... |
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I WOULD SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE BUT TO MAKE THE TIME. WE MADE OUR BED, NOW WE HAVE TO LIE IN... |
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WE WENT INTO AFGHANISTAN RYING TO DEFEAT THE TALIBAN, TRYING TO KEEP AL QAEDA FROM RE-EMERGING. AND... |
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DON'T EVER LET ANYBODY TELL YOU YOU'RE NOT AN EXPERT. YOU ARE. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. CORPORAL REYES?... |
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CORPORAL REYES? THE WAY WE DEFEAT THESE TERRORIST NETWORKS IS BY RECRUITMENT. |
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THE WAY WE DEFEAT THESE TERRORIST NETWORKS IS BY RECRUITMENT. WE NEED TO REMOVE THE MOTIVE OF WHY... |
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WE NEED TO REMOVE THE MOTIVE OF WHY THESE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS ARE GROWING. ONCE WE REMOVE THAT... |
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SO THERE'S REALLY A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION HERE. OBVIOUSLY, BETWEEN THOSE WHO FEEL THAT, GIVEN THE... |
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FEEL THAT, GIVEN THE RIGHT STRATEGY, THOSE WHO FEEL THAT GIVEN THE RIGHT RESOURCES AND MISSION DEFINITION,... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET ME JUST SAY, AND I SUSPECT EACH ONE OF US HAS SIMILAR FEELINGS, THAT... |
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MOVED BY YOUR TESTIMONY THIS MORNING. THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO HEAR. AND I APPRECIATE HAVING TESTIFIED... |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, GENERAL -- SENATOR LUGAR. |
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THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS IMPORTANT HEARING. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WE CHART OUR WAY FORWARD IN... |
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AND PAKISTAN. |
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WE TALK TO THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED ON THE GROUND AND WHO WILL LIVE WITH AFTER EFFECTS OF THIS WAR FOR... |
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THE TROOP ESCALATION IS VERY UNNECESSARY. WITH BETTER INTELLIGENCE, WE CAN CREATE A MORE ISOLATED... |
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INNOCENT CIVIL JUAN LIVES AND CREATE MORE RESENTMENT TOWARD US. WITH THAT YOU CREATE A MOTIVE FOR... |
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SO YOUR FIRST SENTENCE WAS WHAT AGAIN? IT IS NOT NECESSARY. |
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A TROOP ESCALATION IS NOT NECESSARY. |
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ISN'T NECESSARY? |
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NO, IT'S NOT. |
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THANK YOU. COLONEL BACEVICH WHAT ARE THE |
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THANK YOU. COLONEL BACEVICH WHAT ARE THE PROSPECTS OF INCREASING UNCERTAINTY WITH THE INCREASE OF... |
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PROSPECTS OF INCREASING |
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UNCERTAINTY WITH THE INCREASE OF |
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U.S. TROOPS GIVEN CONCERNS THAT MANY IF MOST -- IF NOT MOST AFGHANS IN THE SOUTH OPPOSE THE PRESENCE... |
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SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE MADE THE POINT THAT THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT HAS A MILITARY SOLUTION, THAT TO... |
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THAT TO THE DEGREE THAT THERE IS A SOLUTION, THE SOLUTION IN AFGHANISTAN IS GOING TO BE FOUND IN WHAT... |
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THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME SINCE I SPENT FOUR OR FIVE DAYS IN THE REGION AND AFTER... |
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CHAIRMAN AFTER HIS RECENT VISIT THERE. I WANT TO FOLLOW ON THIS INTER-RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AFGHANISTAN... |
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I THINK IT'S A VERY REAL CONCERN. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VERY INTERESTING, I THINK, FLAWED NEW BOOK... |
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BOOK OUT BY DAVID CULLCULLEN CALLED "THE ACCIDENTAL GUERRILLA." HE HAS THE NOTION THAT MOST OF THE... |
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COLONEL, ADMIRAL MULLEN HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE PAKISTAN SECURITY SERVICES MAINTAINS RELATIONS WITH... |
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THERE'S PRESS REPORTS THAT THIS INCLUDES THE PROVISION OF FUEL AND AMMUNITION FOR TALIBAN OPERATION... |
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NEXT TO NONE. |
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ALL RIGHT. THEN SERGEANT CHASE, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, CAN WE TRUST THE AFGHAN ARMY AND POLICE? ARE... |
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EXPERIENCE, CAN WE TRUST THE AFGHAN ARMY AND POLICE? |
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ARE THEY MOTIVATED OR DO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PERCEPTION OF WHAT IS NEEDED IN AFGHANISTAN? WELL,... |
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WELL, SIR, I WAS IN AFGHANISTAN IN 2006. AND MY EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH THE AFGHAN NATIONAL ARMY,... |
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AFGHAN NATIONAL POLICE WAS LIMITED. BUTLY SAY THAT HAVING BEEN THERE AND SPOKEN TO TEAMS THAT DO WORK... |
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THANK YOU ALL, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH SENATOR FEINGOLD. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. WHILE I VALUE WHAT I DO HERE IN THE PUBLIC ARENA AND THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT,... |
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WHILE I VALUE WHAT I DO HERE IN THE PUBLIC ARENA AND THINK THAT |
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IT'S IMPORTANT, I WANT ALL OF |
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YOU TO KNOW THAT I THINK OUR SERVICE PALES TO WHAT EACH OF YOU HAVE DONE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SINCERE... |
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SIR, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE POINT. WHEN I SAY RENEWING THE COMMITMENT, I'M NOT SAYING TO SEND... |
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SEND 60,000 COMBAT TROOPS INTO AFGHANISTAN. WHAT I MEAN IS MORE OF A CIVIL COMPONENT. AND THIS HOLISTIC... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU, SIR. I AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT SERGEANT McGURK SAID. I DON'T FEEL THAT THESE ARE ISOLATED... |
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I DON'T FEEL THAT THESE ARE |
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ISOLATED IDEAS OF PROVIDING SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR THE AFGHAN PEOPLE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT... |
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I'M GLAD YOU HAVE A -- WITH ALL DUE RESPECT -- YOU HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT THE MISSION OBJECTIVE... |
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IF YOU CAN HELP ME, I'D APPRECIATE IT. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT AFGHANISTAN IS... |
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THE CLEAR IDEA IS THIS, SIR. WITHOUT -- SECURITY NEEDS TO BE TANTAMOUNT TO EVERYTHING. BECAUSE YOU... |
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SO A LOT LIKE IRAQ. WELL, NO. IT'S NOT LIKE -- ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE. FIRST OF ALL, THE PARALLEL... |
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SO A LOT LIKE IRAQ. |
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WELL, NO. IT'S NOT LIKE -- ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE. FIRST OF ALL, THE PARALLEL BETWEEN -- THE DIFFERENCES... |
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BETWEEN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN ARE STARK. WE'RE TALKING VERY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, VERY DIFFERENT REGIONS... |
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I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU AGAIN. COLONEL, I THOUGHT YOUR TESTIMONY WAS EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD. AND... |
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AND I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS A RESULT OF THAT. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I THANK YOU FOR... |
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SENATOR CORKER, LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT THE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN EXCELLENT, I THINK THE QUESTIONS... |
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IT UNDERSCORES THIS DILEMMA. I AM SO SYMPATHETIC, MORE SO THAN MANY PEOPLE THEY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU ALL. |
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WE HAVE A VOTE THAT IS ON. IT JUST STARTED TO BE ABLE TO CONCLUDE. |
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I WILL BE VERY QUICK, BUT I |
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I WILL BE VERY QUICK, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR YOUR INSIGHT AND SACRIFICES FOR... |
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WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR YOUR INSIGHT AND |
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SACRIFICES FOR OUR COUNTRY. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONDUCT OF THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN... |
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I THINK THAT THERE MORE ALTERNATIVES THAN MORE OF THE SAME AND ABJECT WITHDRAWAL. I THINK THERE ARE... |
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SAME AND ABJECT WITHDRAWAL. I THINK THERE ARE COURSES TO FOLLOW THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THE PURPOSE OF... |
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IF I COULD ASK THE TWO OF TO YOU RESPOND TO THAT. |
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YOU RESPOND TO THAT. IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALL HERE FOR. |
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IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALL HERE FOR. WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? PERSONALLY A... |
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WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? PERSONALLY A WITHDRAWAL WOULD SEND A MESSAGE CLEARLY TO THE REST OF THE... |
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THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG. I THINK THAT JUST TO NOT EVEN TRY WITH A UNILATERAL WITHDRAWAL... |
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I THINK THAT JUST TO NOT EVEN TRY WITH A UNILATERAL WITHDRAWAL AND SAY SORRY, IT'S NOT GOING TO CUT... |
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I APPRECIATE THAT. |
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TO NOT AT LEAST TRY. MANY PEOPLE SAY WE CAN'T ACHIEVE A MEASURE OF SUCCESS OR THE TYPE OF SUCCESS... |
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OF SUCCESS WE WANTED TO ACHIEVE WHEN WE WENT IN. |
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I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. HAVING BEEN ON THE GROUND AND SEEING THE PEOPLE AND THE CULTURE AND... |
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CAPTAIN MOORE? |
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I BELIEVE THAT AN ABRUPT WITHDRAWAL WOULD NOT ONLY BE A TACTICAL MISTAKE, BUT STRATEGIC MISTAKE. ... |
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TACTICAL MISTAKE, BUT STRATEGIC |
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MISTAKE. YOU ARE GIVING UP A PRIMARY FUNCTION TO A PLACE WE COMMITTED TO. TO A PEOPLE WE COMMITTED... |
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THANK YOU, CORPORAL. |
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I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE EARLIER STATEMENTS. I DON'T THINK A COMPLETE WITHDRAWAL IS THE ANSWER, BUT... |
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I DON'T THINK A COMPLETE |
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WITHDRAWAL IS THE ANSWER, BUT THE TROOP ESCALATION IS A HUGE MISTAKE. WITH THAT MANY TROOPS, THAT'S... |
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THANK YOU TO EACH OF YOU FOR YOUR COMPELLING TESTIMONY. |
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THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY ON THIS PANEL ENORMOUSLY AND LET ME SAY QUICKLY, I COMPLETELY... |
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THIS PANEL ENORMOUSLY AND LET ME SAY QUICKLY, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE PANEL. THE OPTION HERE IS... |
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THE ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS HAVING TROUBLE FINDING THE HUNDREDS TO BOLSTER... |
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