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THE NEXTTHREE HOURS IS YOUR CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN A DISCUSSION WITH AUTHOR AND JOURNALIST BILL... |
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BILL GERTZ, DO YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING WORD ABOUT U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY? |
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I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S SO MUCH AS OR READ AS SOMEONE WHO IS FOCUSED ON WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT... |
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WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEXT BIG THING READY THINK IT WILL COME FROM? |
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", EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW IS FOCUSED ON THIS NOTION THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEXUS BETWEEN WEAPONS... |
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AND IN YOUR LATEST BOOK "THE FAILURE FACTORY" JUST PUBLISHED IN 2008 YOU PUT A SCENARIO IN THERE ABOUT... |
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IT IS HARD TO SAY. I THINK THE NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE. THE BIGGEST WAKE-UP CALL FOR THE ... |
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WHY NOT? |
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IT IS A PROBLEM OF BUREAUCRACY. THIS IS REALLY THE FOCUS OF MY LATEST BOOK. THERE IS A SET WAY OF... |
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IN ONE OF YOUR BOOKS YOU READ ABOUT THE FACT THAT OUR INTELLIGENCE SUFFERS FROM FEW WERE BODIES AND... |
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ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN AREA I WILL BE FOCUSING ON IN THE COMING YEAR AS A NEWSPAPER REPORTER... |
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IN A GOOD OF YOU RIGHT LIBERALS AND BUREAUCRATS IN RECENT YEARS HAVE ADOPTED THE MTV ATTITUDE. THAT... |
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THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE CURRENT NATIONAL SECURITY SYSTEM. WE ARE ENGAGED IN A WAR AGAINST ISLAMIC... |
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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO IN DEPTH. THIS IS BOOK TV'S MONTHLY SERIES RETAKE ONE AUTHOR AND LOOK... |
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WE HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS AROUND THE WORLD. THE BRITISH COME TO MIND IMMEDIATELY. OBVIOUSLY THE ISRAELIS... |
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IN "TREACHERY" YOU HIGHLIGHT SOME OF OUR ALLIES SUCH AS |
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YES. AND SO VIVID. THIS WAS A CLOSE LOOK BASICALLY CENTERED ON THE ISSUE OF ARMS PROLIFERATION, THE... |
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IN FACT, YOU HAVE A CHART AND AFTER ONE IN THAT CHAPTER CHINA LIES AND DECEPTION, CHINA'S BROKEN PROMISES.... |
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ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS THE MAIN CONCERN. WE ARE HAVING A BIG DEBATE WITHIN POLICY AND INTELLIGENCE CIRCLES... |
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"BREAKDOWN" WAS PUBLISHED IN THE 2002. "THE CHINA THREAT: HOW THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC TARGETS AMERICA"... |
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HELLO. FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT STARTED THE 9/11 ATTACK. IT IS BECAUSE OF U.S. SUPPORT... |
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I DISAGREE WITH THE CALLER. I THINK CLEARLY AL-QAEDA'S MOTIVATION IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT. THAT... |
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YOU HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN YOUR BOOKS START WRITING ABOUT CHINA. WHY? |
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I HAVE WRITTEN THIS MANY TIMES THE GREATEST NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT FACING THE COUNTRY AFTER ISLAMIST... |
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IF THE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY WERE CORPORATION HOW LARGE WOULD IT BE? |
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IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE LARGEST CORPORATIONS IN THE WORLD. AND THEY DID HAVE MANY, MANY CORPORATIONS... |
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CHINA IS NOT A THREAT MANTRA FROM "THE FAILURE FACTORY", THE OBSESSION AMONG LIBERAL BUREAUCRATS HAS... |
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THAT IS BASICALLY THE SITUATION TODAY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT CHINA IS OR THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE CHINA... |
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DOES IT WORRY YOU THAT CHINA HOLDS SO MUCH U.S. DEBT? |
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OH, ABSOLUTELY. THEY DISCUSSED THIS IN THE CHINESE STRATEGIC RATINGS. IF CHINA WANTED TO THEY COULD... |
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MANHATTAN, YOU ARE ON THE AIR WITH BILL GERTZ, AUTHOR AND JOURNALIST. |
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YES, GOOD MORNING. THANKS TO C-SPAN. I WANTED TO JUST REFER BRIEFLY, VERY BRIEFLY TO THE WOMAN FROM... |
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OKAY. LET'S TAKE THE SECOND PART FIRST. THE "TIMES" WAS FOUNDED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE UNIFICATION... |
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BETTER OFF THAN IT WAS IN 2001? |
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CLEARLY AFGHANISTAN IS BETTER OFF. IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE THAT ARE... |
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IT HAS OFTEN BEEN SAID BY COMMENTATORS THAT WHEN WE WENT INTO IRAQ WE TOOK OUR EYE OFF OF THE BALL... |
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I DON'T AGREE. CLEARLY THE INITIAL OPERATION WAS A HUGE SUCCESS. A COMBINATION OF SPECIAL FORCES ... |
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AND YOU SPEAK OF THE HORN OF AFRICA IN "BREAKDOWN." YOU HIGHLIGHT OSAMA BIN LADEN BEING IN SUDAN. WHAT... |
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THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES IS TO BE DEBATED FOR A LONG TIME. THE QUESTION WAS AND IS GOING TO BE... |
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NEXT CALL FOR BILL GERTZ COMES FROM HONOLULU. |
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HELLO. THIS SHOW IS GREAT. MY FIRST QUESTION IS IF YOU HAVE HEARD OF THOMAS BARNETT, DR. THOMAS BURNETT?... |
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OKAY. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH MR. BARNETT'S EFFORT ON THE PENTAGON. LET ME CORRECT ONE THING. I AM... |
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IT WAS AN EXAMPLE TO SAY LOOK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. HERE ARE SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS... |
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IN A GENERAL SENSE, HOW DO YOU DEVELOP SOURCES? |
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WELL, OF COURSE, THAT'S THE MOST DIFFICULT THING TO DISCUSS FOR NEWSPAPER REPORTERS. I THINK I COULD... |
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DAVID IGNASS OF THE -- DAVISH IGNATIUS OF THE "WASHINGTON POST" WROTE |
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WELL, THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF CRITICS OF THE PRESS WHO THINK THATTING INSHOULD BE -- THINK THAT... |
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NEXT CALL FOR BILL GERTZ, BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. |
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THANK YOU, ISRAEL'S BEEN ROUNDLY CRITICIZED FOR THEIR INCURSION 92 GAZA IN RESPONSE TO -- INTO GAZA... |
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WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE I HAVE THE, THE COMPLETE ANSWER, BUT I REMEMBER... |
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DO YOU FORESEE AN ISRAELI ATTACKEN IRAN? |
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SO FAR I THINK THE U.S. HAS PRESCRAWLED -- EXCUSE ME. -- PREVAILED, EXCUSE ME. SO FAR THE U.S. HAS... |
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ROCHESTER MINNESOTA, GOOD |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. HI, TWO QUESTIONS. -- STATES IS AGAIN THOSE DICTATORS IN THE MIDDLE EAST LIKE IRAN... |
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IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION WHY IS THE UNITED STATES SUPPORTING DICTATORS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. YEAH,... |
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YOU ARE NOT A FAN OF CHRISTOPHER HILLS OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT. DPORMERLY OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT.... |
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RIGHT PLMPT MR. HILL IS THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EAST ASH, AND HE CAME TO DOMINATE U.S. ASIA POLICY... |
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NEXT CALL FOR BILL GERTZ, BOSTON. |
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HI. COUPLE OF SMALL POINTS. MR. GERTZ SAID IT IS AN ALLY OF THE UNITED STATES. IT IS TOTALLY UNTRUE.... |
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TAKE THE FIRST ONE. FIRST PART WAS NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS ONE OF THE... |
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THIS IS FROM PAMELA ARNOLD IN GARDNER, MONTANA. HI, BILL THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTELLIGENCE WORK WITHIN... |
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NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, THE U.S. MILITARY IS INN WELL IN FRONT OF BOTH STATES. IN OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE... |
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AND MS. ARNOLD GOES ON TO SAY, GIVEN THE MOST LIKELY DEFENSE IN FOREIGN POLICIES OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION... |
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THAT'S GOING TO BE DECIDED, I THINK, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, FIRST OF ALL, PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA'S POSITION... |
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AND IN THE FAILURE FACTORY, YOU PROFILE OR HIGHLIGHT JOHN HAULM. WHO IS JOHN HAULM. |
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JAUNT HOLM WAS THE ARMS CONTROL ADVISOR DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION AND WAS ONE OF THESE PEOPLE... |
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STANTON, MICHIGAN, YOU'RE ON WITH BILL GERTZ. MICHIGAN, YOU WITH US? |
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YES, I AM HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? |
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PLEASE GO AHEAD. |
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OKAY, I JUST WANT TO SEE TO MR. GERTZ THAT OF ALL THE PEOPLE I'VE HEARD TALK ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING,... |
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WELL, THANK YOU. |
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I'VE SEEN HIM MANY TIMES ON THE JOURNAL. AND STUFF AND I CAN'T READ WELL ANYMORE. AND IT'S SO GREAT... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. |
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VERY GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND CLEARLY SOME OF THOSE THINGS THEY ARE TRYING TO DO BUT I REMEMBER TALKING... |
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THAT CALLER ALSO MENTIONED THE BOOK "COBBLE BEAUTY SCHOOL" ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT. |
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NO, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE. |
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SHE ALSO SAID SHE COULDN'T READ MUCH ANYMORE. HAVE YOU EVER AUDIO RECORDED ANY OF YOUR BOOKS. |
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YEAH I THINK PRETTY MUCH ALL OF MY BOOKS HAVE BEEN RECORDED. |
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DO YOU DO THE TALKING? |
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I'VE ONLY RECENTLY DISCOVERED AUDIO BOOKS MYSELF BUT I OFTEN LIS WHN I'M IN THE CAR. |
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PORTAGE, MICHIGAN. |
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YES, HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. GERTZ. |
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HELLO. |
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MUST ALL BE MICHIGAN TODAY. WHILE I HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION WHICH I'LL MENTION BRIEFLY -- BRIEFLY... |
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MM-HMM. |
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AND I'M WONDERING SO, NUMBER ONE, QUESTION ONE, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH INTELLIGENCE DO YOU HONESTLY... |
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"BREAKDOWN" MY BOOK ON THAT CLEARLY SHOWED THAT, AND I BELIEVE, AND MY BOOK WAS A PROCURSOR TO THE... |
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THE RUWANDA CRISIS. |
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I DON'T HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON RWANDA AT ALL, WHETHER OR NOT WHAT THE U.S. DID WITH REGARD TO THAT.... |
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ISN'T THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S JOB? |
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IT'S ONE OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S JOBS, AND IN FACT A STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL IS GOING TO BE THE... |
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IN "BREAKDOWN" YOU TALK ABOUT THE POLITICALLY CORRECT. THE OTHER THING YOU WRITE ABOUT IS COUNTERTERRORISM.... |
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YEAH, THAT WAS THE CHAPTER WHICH WAS TITLED PCIA, THE POLITICALLY CORRECT CIA AND I DID SAY THAT... |
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NEW YORK CITY, YOU'RE ON WITH BILL GERTZ. THIS IS "IN DEPTH". FRNLTS. |
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YES, MR. GERTZ, I HAVE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION REGARDING OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. YOU WRITE ABOUT CHINA... |
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CLEARLY I CAN THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S GOING TO THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE AND IT'S GOING TO BE... |
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IS THE U.S.-MEXICO PROBLEM A NATIONAL SECURITY PROBLEM? |
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I THINK IT IS OVER THE LONG-TERM. I DON'T -- I MEAN BASICALLY I MEANS THE NEWS REPORTS FROM MEXICO... |
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EUGENE, OREGON, YOU ARE ON WITH BILL GERTZ. |
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THANK YOU, VERY RARELY WE HEAR OF A DIFFERENT HAMAS THE JOURNALIST WHO HELPED RESCUE JOURNALIST JOHNSTON... |
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SURE. HAMAS IS A PALESTINIAN TERRORIST GROUP THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THERE WAS A CEASE-FIRE... |
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THIS IS BOOKTV'S "IN DEPTH". OUR GUEST IS JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR BILL GERTZ. HE'S THE AUTHOR OF SIX... |
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WE ARE NOW IN ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND. THIS IS MY HOUSE. AND WE ARE IN MY OFFICE. THIS IS WHERE I DO... |
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HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU SPEND IN ANY GIVEN DAY IN THIS CHAIR HERE? |
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I WOULD SAY I PROBABLY SPEND FOUR TO FIVE HOURS A DAY. NOT COUNTING WEEKENDS BUT I DO A LOT OF WORK... |
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YOU NEVER EAT THE FISH YOU CATCH. |
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I'M A CATCH AND RELEASE FISHERMAN IF I WANT FISH I'LL GO TO GIANT AND BUY SALMON. I'M NOT AGAINST... |
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YOUR MOST RECENT BOOK FROM THE BEGINNING OF WRITING THE PROPOSAL UNTIL YOU'RE DONE, ABOUT HOW LONG... |
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I WOULD SAY FOR THE LAST BOOK IT TOOK ME ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE I HAD A, A MANUSCRIPT... |
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IF A YOUNG JOURNALIST, NEWSPAPER JOURNALIST CAME TO YOU AND SAY HEY YOU WRITE ALL THESE BOOKS I WANT... |
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AND THAT HAPPENS QUITE OFTEN. PEOPLE ASK ME HOW TO DO IT, AND THE FIRST THING I, I TELL THEM IS TO... |
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DO YOU HAVE A WORLD -- "NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC" ATLAS HERE AND YOU HAVE GOT A GLOBE. WHY DO YOU HAVE... |
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WELL, I I GET THOSE BECAUSE MY REPORTING AND MY BOOK WORK TAKES ME TO A LOT OF PLACES IN THE WORLD... |
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I HAVE TO ASK ABOUT THIS OTHER FISH HERE. |
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THIS IS A PIRANHA A FRIEND OF MINE GAVE ME ON A TRIP TO SOUTH AMERICA. I LIKE THE MODEL OF PIRANHA... |
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BILL GERTZ, HOW MUCH OF YOUR BOOK MATERIAL HAS APPEARED IN THE "WASHINGTON TIMES"? |
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I WOULD SAY QUITE A BIT. I, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD QUANTIFY IT, BUT I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF... |
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"THE CHINA THREAT", "ENEMIES" CAME OUT IN 2006 I BELIEVE. THESE ARE ALL BILL GERTZ-BOOKS BTRAIL RR... |
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IT'S A COMBINATION OF PUBLISHERS. REGNERY AND CROWN FORUM LAW. OF -- WE STARTED OUT WITH THE ONE-WORD... |
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LET'S PUT THE NUMBERS BACK ON THE SCREEN. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONVERSATION WITH... |
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ADMIRAL WILLIAM FALLON WAS KIND OF THE POSTER CHILD FOR WHAT I CALLED THE, THE PROBLEM OF FORMER... |
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WITH ALL OF THE TEARERABLE BL THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN AMERICA IT NEVER SEEMS ANYONE GETS HELD ACCOUNTABLE... |
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YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE, THE E-MAILER IS CORRECT THAT THIS, THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR... |
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DID 9/11 SURPRISE |
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ACTUALLY NOT REALLY. I KIND OF REMEMBER WHEN IT HAPPENED IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK IT WAS CLEARLY... |
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TOLEDO, OHIO. YOURT RR ON WITH BILL GRERTS. |
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HELLO, PETER. I GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. GERTZ. NOW THERE IS CLEARLY INTELLIGENCE FAILURES. BEFORE... |
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GOOD QUESTION. I, I DEFINITELY HAD AN UPCLOSE AND PERSONAL LOOK AT DE FACTO APPOINTMENT OF GEORGE... |
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WELL, SPEAKING OF HOLDOVER,S IT'S RIGHT BEFORE THE INAUGURAL AND PLECT OBAMA HAS DECIDED TO KEEP ... |
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VERY INTERESTING. I HAVE TO ADMIT. I'M NOT SURE HOW AGAIN WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THE NEW... |
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FRANKLINVILLE, NEW JERSEY. GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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HEO, -- HELLO MY NAME IS BILL PARKER NATIVE BORN AMERICAN INDIAN. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER AGO AFRICAN... |
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OKAY, THANKS, CALLER. BILL GERTZ. |
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IT'S THE AGE OLD QUESTION OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND. YOU KNOW, THE DRUG PROBLEM IN THE UNITED STATES AND... |
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ARE THE POPPY FIELDS IN AFGHANISTAN A NATIONAL SECURITY PROBLEM? |
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I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY YES. I MEAN, THIS IS A, A PROBLEM THAT HAS EBBED AND FLOWED BULLET -- BUT THE... |
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FLORENCE, SOUTH CAROLINA FLORENCE. LAST CHANCE FOR FLORENCE SOUTH CAROLINA. |
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YES, SIR. MY QUESTION IS I AM RETIRED MILITARY. I RETIRED AFTER 37 YEARS AS A MASTER SERGEANT. I WAS... |
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IT IS CERTAINLY A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, ONE THAT I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT. THE EASE WITH WHICH... |
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THAT CALLER SAID HE BELIEVED SADDAM HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, DO YOU AGREE? |
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WE HAVE NOT FOUND THEM IN MASS QUANTITIES. HE CERTAINLY HAD THEM. I REMEMBER WRITING ABOUT RUSSIAN... |
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THIS IS BOOK TV'S IN DEPTH. OUR GUEST IS BILL GERTZ. |
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HI. HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN DOING TODAY? |
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GOOD. THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IS YOUR BOOK "TREACHERY". I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT IT WAS... |
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YES. |
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I WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO THOSE PARTIES ARE AND TO THEY ARE SELLING... |
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SOME OF THE CHAPTERS IN "TREACHERY" INCLUDE GERMANY, TERRORISTS, AND OTHERS. |
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AND I PROVIDE DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS OF THE KIND OF ARMS TRANSFERS THAT WENT UNDER WAY. I DISAGREE... |
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HERE IS AN E-MAIL. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE CHINESE RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP? DO YOU SEE THEM ACTIVELY... |
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THE ANSWER IS YES. IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. WHAT WE HAVE SEEN HAPPEN ON THE SCORE IS IT HAS BEEN DONE... |
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NEXT CALL FOR BILL GERTZ, |
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HI. I HAD A COUPLE THINGS FOR YOU. ONE OF THEM TO TOUCHES ON THE RECENT VISITS BY THE RUSSIAN NAVY.... |
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ON THE RUSSIAN NAVAL VISITS THERE HAVE BEEN VISITS BY RUSSIAN WARSHIPS TO VENEZUELA AND ALSO TO CUBA.... |
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MASSACHUSETTS, GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. AM I ON? |
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YOU ARE. |
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OKAY. I WOULD LIKE MR. GERTZ, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM THIS QUESTION. I'M A VIETNAM VETERAN. WAY BACK... |
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YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE DEBATES THAT HAS GONE ON ABOUT WHETHER THE CIA WAS INVOLVED IN... |
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ONE OF THE NATION'S THAT SEEMS TO POP UP WITH REGULARITY IN YOUR BOOKS IS MALAYSIA. WHY IS THAT? |
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WELL, I THINK MALAYSIA WAS ONE OF THE KICKING OFF POINTS FOR THE TWO HIJACKERS BEFORE THE CAME TO... |
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VICKSBURG, MISSISSIPPI. |
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THIS IS VICKSBURG, MICHIGAN. THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH FOR ME. |
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IT SURE IS. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. |
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I AM FINDING THE DETAILS AND THE POLITICS AND THE GOAL GLOBAL POLITICS VERY INTERESTING. BUT I HAVE... |
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WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION FOR BILL GERTZ? |
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I WANT TO KNOW HOW THESE PEOPLE EXPECT US, THE PEOPLE, TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS MILITARY NONSENSE? |
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THANK YOU. |
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WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN FOR A DOUBLE WHAMMY. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH IRAQ... |
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NEXT CALL FOR BILL GERTZ, LAGUNA WOODS, CALIFORNIA. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. MR. GERTZ, I THINK YOU ARE MISTAKEN ABOUT THE AMERICAN SUPPORT OF THE TALIBAN. WE... |
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I WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. WE DID NOT SUPPORT THE TALIBAN. WE DON'T SUPPORT THE DRUG ACTIVITIES.... |
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SCOTT HORNE. IS IT LIKELY THAT WE WILL LEARN NEW YEARS FROM NOW THAT EUROPEAN PRESIDENTS WERE ACTUALLY... |
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QUESTION -- GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THAT IT HIGHLIGHTS THE BIGGER PROBLEM THAT IS COMING ON. EUROPE'S... |
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WHY IS DONALD RUMSFELD NO LONGER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE IN YOUR VIEW? |
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WELL, HE WAS THE KEY ARCHITECTS OF THE IRAQ OPERATION. IN ADDITION TO THAT HE ALSO TRIED TO DO A... |
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WHAT IS HE DOING NOW? |
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I HAVE NOT BEEN IN TOUCH WITH HIM, BUT I HEARD HE HAS A COUPLE OF PROJECTS. I BELIEVE HE IS WRITING... |
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NEXT CALL FOR BILL GERTZ PORTLAND, OREGON |
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YES, I TRAVELED AROUND THE WORLD QUITE A BIT. IN ONE CASE I WAS IN IRAN TWICE. ONCE SIX MONTHS BEFORE... |
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YEAH, THAT RAISES THE WHOLE ISSUE OF INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION AND THE USE OF NON OFFICIAL COLLECTORS.... |
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WE HAVE ABOUT AN HOUR LEFT WITH OUR GUEST, BILL GERTZ. THIS IS BOOK TV'S IN DEPTH. GEORGIA. GO AHEAD.... |
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YES. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MR. WILL BARKER? |
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WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD TELL US WHAT YOU THINK. |
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BECAUSE HE SAID IN HEARING THE RUSSIAN AND GEORGIAN SITUATION, HE JUMPED ALL OVER OUR MILITARY GUYS... |
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YES. I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISE THAT DURING A RECENT CONGRESSIONAL HEARING A WITNESS WAS JOHN'S AS TO... |
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BILL GERTZ IS OUR GUEST. WE HAVE ONE HOUR LEFT IN IN DEPTH. WE VISITED HIM AT HIS DAY JOB AT THE "WASHINGTON... |
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WE ARE HERE AT YOUR CUBICLE. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU TO GET HERE FROM YOUR HOUSE? |
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IT'S ABOUT A 20-25 MINUTE COMMUTE. PRETTY MUCH A STRAIGHT SHOT FROM ROUTE 50. AND WE ARE HERE AT THE... |
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"THE FAILURE FACTORY" IS BILL GERTZ MOST RECENT BOOK. IN 2006 "ENEMIES: HOW AMERICA'S FOES STEAL OUR... |
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BILL RICHARDSON IS AN INTERESTING CHARACTER. HE WAS THE ENERGY SECRETARY WHERE HE KIND OF CAME ON MY... |
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WHAT HAPPENED AT LOS ALAMOS? DO WE KNOW YET? |
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WHAT WE DO KNOW, AND YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE LOSS OF NUCLEAR SECRETS. THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM. IN... |
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WHERE IS HE TODAY? |
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THAT I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE WHERE HE YESTERDAY. |
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LET'S GO BACK TO CALLS. WE HAVE 50 MINUTES LEFT WITH OUR GUEST BILL GERTZ ON THIS IN DEPTH. |
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TWO COMMENTS ON THINGS THAT YOU SAID, MR. GERTZ. NUMBER ONE, YOU SAID THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION... |
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WELL, I AGREE WITH THE FIRST PART. YEAH, THE MEDIA WAS NOT LINE UP IN FAVOR OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.... |
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AND YOU ARE QUOTED AS SAYING THERE SEEMS TO BE THE NOTION THAT UNLESS YOU LEAK TO THE NEW YORK TIMES... |
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ROW, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE IS PEOPLE ASK -- THEY TALK ABOUT LEAKS. WHO GIVES WHAT TO WHOM?... |
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NEXT CALL FOR BILL GERTZ FORT WORTH, TEXAS. |
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FIRST I WANT TO SAY I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY ETHICS IN WASHINGTON FROM THE PRESIDENT ON DOWN. YOU... |
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I DON'T SEE ANY DANGER OF WORLD WAR III BREAKING OUT. I THINK THE ISRAELI INCURSION INTO GAZA JUST... |
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WHILE READING "THE FAILURE FACTORY" I FIND MYSELF WONDERING IF PRESIDENT BUSH IS INCAPABLE OF DEALING... |
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IT'S INTERESTING. I WENT EASY ON HIM IN "THE FAILURE FACTORY" BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY CRITICS... |
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AND IN "THE FAILURE FACTORY" YOU REFER TO HIM AS WEAK. |
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WEAK IN THE SENSE THAT HE DID NOT DEMAND A PRESS TO DO WHAT THE PRESIDENT WANTED. BY ROBERT ONE OF... |
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IOWA GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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I JUST HAVE TOO QUICK QUESTIONS. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHETHER THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH THE ECONOMY... |
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THOSE ARE TOUGH QUESTIONS. IS THERE A LINK BETWEEN INCREASED CYBER ATTACKS ON THE U.S. AND THE ECONOMIC... |
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YES. THERE IS A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT THE CHINESE MILITARY IS DEVELOPING AN AGGRESSIVE CYBER WARFARE... |
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HERE IS AN E-MAIL FROM ANDREW. THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT SOLD 550 TONS OF YELLOW CAKE URANIUM N 2008. |
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NOT FAMILIAR. |
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HOW WOULD YOU COMPARE OUR 9/11 EXPERIENCE WITH THAT OF INDIA'S MUMBAI TRAGEDY, SPECIFICALLY THE ROLE... |
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INTERESTING. THEY ARE HAVING A DEBATE RIGHT NOW. ACCORDING TO THE PRESS REPORTS THEY'RE ONE OF THE... |
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WE HAVE A CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH INDIA IN RECENT YEARS. IS THAT A GOOD THING? |
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IT IS A MIXED PICTURE. CLEARLY THERE ARE VARYING VIEWS AMONG THE NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS AND SPECIALISTS... |
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NEXT CALL. PLEASE GO AHEAD. |
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YES. DELIGHTED TO SEE GUEST TODAY AND BOOK TV. APPRECIATE YOUR RESEARCH. MY QUESTION IS REGARDING... |
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THAT SITUATION STILL REMAINS A CENTRAL FLASHPOINT. THE PENTAGON OVER THE PAST 10 OR 15 YEARS HAS TRIED... |
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IN "ENEMIES" YOU WRITE TODAY NEARLY 140 NATIONS AND SOME 35 KNOWN AND SUSPECTED TERRORIST GROUPS... |
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PRIMARILY IT IS AND PRIMARILY IT'S THUGRESSIVENESS OF FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SERVICE WHOSE SEE THE... |
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WHO WAS THE PARLOR MADE. |
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PARLOR MADE WAS THE STORY OF KATRINA LOOM, WHO AN FBI INFORMANT WHO BECAME ACCORDING TO COURT DOCUMENTS... |
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THE PRESIDENT, THE CHIFLAES PREMIERE'S AIRPLANE. |
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YES, ONE OF THE BIG COMPROMISES IN THAT CASE WAS PRESIDENT JOHN GEE MING THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF ... |
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SO WE HAVE OUR OWN SPIES OUT THERE. |
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ABSOLUTELY THERE HAVE A NUMBER OUT THERE. |
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NORTH HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA. |
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YES, A NUMBER. |
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COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE ACTIONS AND ROLE OF THE OERGDS SUCH AS INTERNATIONAL ANSWER AND MOVEON.ORG... |
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AND WHAT -- IN WHAT ASPECT WOULD YOU LIKE MR. GERTZ TO ADDRESS THAT. |
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WELL SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY & UNDERMINING THEREOF. |
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ALL RIGHT, THANKS CALLER. |
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I HAVEN'T -- YEAH, GEORGE SOROS HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER OF A LOT OF THE LEFTIST CAUSES.... |
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CARL PETERSON E-MAIL AS A REPORTER HOW CAN YOU THINK IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED... |
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HMM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE, WHERE THESE --. |
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WELL, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU IN 2006? |
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IN 2006. |
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SANTA ANA, CALIFORNIA. |
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OH, OKAY THAT WAS ACTUALLY LAST YEAR. |
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OH, THAT WAS LAST YEAR. OKAY. |
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THAT WAS A CASE WHERE A, THE SPY CASE OF CHI MAK AND TAIMAK CONVICTED OF PASSING MILITARY EMBARGO... |
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DID YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY OR DID "THE WASHINGTON TIMES" SUPPLY YOU IN THAT. |
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"THE WASHINGTON TIMES" SUPPLIED ME IN THAT. |
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MR. GERTZ, WHAT IS YOURA NALSES OF THE -- ANALYSIS OF THE PIRACY GOING ON AND WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?... |
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IN SOMALIA? Caller: YES. |
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YEAH THIS IS A GROWING PROBLEM. THE PIRACY ISSUE HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN THE HORN OF AFRICA. AROUND... |
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HELLO. |
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HI. |
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HEY. MR. GERTZ, I'M READING IN THE NEWS TODAY THAT THAT NEW ADMINISTRATION'S CURRENTLY CONSIDERING... |
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MM-HMM. |
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WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THAT DO YOU THINK AND WHAT DO YOU SEE COMING UP FOR US? |
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IT'S VERY INTERESTING. YEAH, NASA HAD BEEN DOING SOME COOPERATION WITH CHINA. ON SPACE CIVILIAN SPACE... |
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SCUNECTY NEW YORK. |
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HI. I WANTED TO RAISE THAT ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, IT BROKE THE CIA WAS GOING BACK TO USING JOURNALISM.... |
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ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? |
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NOT THAT FAMILIAR. I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE CALLER THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GOING... |
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NO, I THINK THAT WAS IT BUT ON THE FLIPSIDE OF THE COIN, DALE E-MAILS IN, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THERE... |
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THAT'S A GOOD ONE. YEAH, ON THE PREVIOUS CALLER, I DID REMEMBER. SHE HAD ASKED ABOUT EMBEDDED REPORTERS.... |
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WHEN HE ASKED YOU WHO SOME OF YOUR FAVORITE WRITERS ARE, WE DO THAT FOR EVERY INDEPTH GUEST YOU LISTED... |
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FORMER EXECUTIVE EDNORNOW EDITOR EMERITUS OF THE PAPIER DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER TO INCLUDE HIM IN JOURNALISTS... |
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AND CURRENTLY YOU ARE READING A BOOK CALLED "HANDBOOK FOR SPIES" BY ALEXANDER FOOT. WHAT IS THAT?... |
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YEAH THIS IS A BOOK THAT GOES BACK TO THE 40s, AND I GOT INTERESTED IN THIS BOOK FROM INTERVIEWING... |
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IS IT HOLDING YOUR ATTENTION? |
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IT IS. IT'S ONE OF THE BOOKS LIKE I SAY I HAVE FOUR THAT I'M READING NOW. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT I'M,... |
| 02:46:41 |
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NEXT CALL FOR BILL GERTZ COMES FROM LAKE ZURIC, ILLINOIS. |
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HI THERE, GOOD AFTERNOON, GENTLEMEN. I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, EXCUSE ME, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE... |
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WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT ONE. OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, IT'S IN THE SAME... |
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LOOKING AHEAD, AND I'M ASKING YOU TO PREDICT BUT DO YOU THINK U.S. TROOPS WILL BE WITHDRAWN IN BIG... |
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ON THE SECOND PART, I KNOW THAT DEFENSE SECRETARY ROBERT GATES HAS BEEN OPPOSED TO, TO THE GUANTANAMO... |
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A LITTLE OVER 5 MINUTES LEFT WITH OUR GUEST ON INDEMTH TODAY. ROL -- ON "IN DEPTH" TODAY. RALEIGH,... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIR. THIS QUESTION RELATES TO -- WHO HAD A LOOK AT -- SLIGHT DETAIL. WHY PRESIDENT,... |
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WELL, WE'RE CERTAINLY GETTING A LOT OF COVERAGE NOW WHERE YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'VE VERY... |
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TIME FOR TWO MORE PHONE CALLS FOR OUR GUEST. HAMPTON, VIRGINIA. YOU'RE FIRST,. |
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HELLO MI ON? |
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PLEASE GO AHEAD. |
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YES. I'D LIKE TO ASK WHAT HIS OPINION IS OF ALL THE FOREIGN OWNERSHIP OF THE PRINT MEDIA OF ALL THE... |
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WHO ARE SOME OF THE FOREIGN OWNERS, SIR? |
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OF NEWSPAPERS IN |
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RIGHT? |
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WELL, WHO OWNS "THE WASHINGTON POST"? |
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"THE WASHINGTON POST" COMPANY HERE IN THE U.S.. |
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NO, NO, IS IT HELD BY FOREIGN OWNERS? |
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OKAY. THANKS. |
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YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THE CALLER'S GETTING AT. OBVIOUSLY AS I MENTIONED THE... |
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DO YOU PUT ANY OF YOUR STORIES ON THE GERTZ FILE OR DO YOU BLOG ON THERE? |
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NO, I DON'T ALL OF MY STORIES ON THE GERTZ FILE ARE LINKS TO THE "WASHINGTON TIMES". THAT SAID, WE... |
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LAST CALL FOR BILL GERTZ. |
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I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. I AM A LAYMAN WHEN IT COMES TO INTELLIGENCE REPORTS AND SO... |
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HMM. GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT I WOULD LEAK AT THAT IS IF YOU HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE OFFENSE... |
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"BETRAYAL" "TREACHERY" "BREAKDOWN" "THE CHINA THREAT" "ENEMIES" "THE FAILURE FACTORY" THESE ARE BILL... |
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NOT YETTY.M CONSIDERING IT. I AM LOOKING AT SOME AREAS I MAY WAIT AND LOOK AT WHAT OPPORTUNITIES... |
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THANK YOU FOR BEING OUR GUEST ON "IN DEPTH". BOOKTV.ORG FOR THE FULL SCHEDULE ON BOOKTV AND TO, IF... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
