No Room for Democracy

Nov 18, 2008

St. John Fisher College

Richard Rosenbaum talked about and read from No Room for Democracy: The Triumph of Ego over Common Sense, his book that explains how he orchestrated the successful campaign to have Rockefeller replace Spiro Agnew as Vice President and how he helped deny Ronald Reagan the 1976 GOP presidential nomination. The book provides rare insight into .. Read More
Richard Rosenbaum talked about and read from No Room for Democracy: The Triumph of Ego over Common Sense, his book that explains how he orchestrated the successful campaign to have Rockefeller replace Spiro Agnew as Vice President and how he helped deny Ronald Reagan the 1976 GOP presidential nomination. The book provides rare insight into the transformation of the Republican Party from moderate to conservative leading up to the Reagan revolution. Following his remarks, two St. John Fisher Philosophy professors and a former New York state Republican National Committee chair participated in a panel discussion with Mr. Rosenbaum. Mr. Rosenbaum is Senior Counsel in Nixon Peabody, LLP. A graduate of Cornell University law school, he started his legal and political career in Rochester, New York, served in the County Legislature and became chairman of the Monroe County Republican Committee in 1968. In 1970, he was appointed to be a Justice of the Supreme Court of New York State by former Governor Nelson Rockefeller. In 1973, he became the Chairman of the New York State Republican Committee, a position he held until 1977. He ran for governor of New York in 1994. He is the recipient of the Ellis Island Medal of Honor and has written extensively on Middle Eastern policy.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:37 Unidentified Speaker WELL, LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BOOK. OF WHICH I'M REALLY VERY PROUD OF THIS BOOK. I,...
00:10:02 Unidentified Speaker YOU CAN COME TO THE TABLE.
00:10:04 Unidentified Speaker I'LL STAND IF YOU WANT.
00:10:06 Unidentified Speaker YOU CAN BE COMFORTABLE.
00:10:08 Unidentified Speaker ARE YOU DEFERRING TO MY AGE?
00:10:10 Unidentified Speaker I'M DEFERRING TO COMFORT. [LAUGHTER]
00:10:12 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THINK TWO, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO START WI KNOW TIM HAS DEVELOPED SOME...
00:10:55 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT FORTY-FIRST OF ALL, I, -- FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE READ THIS, PROBABLY...
00:11:55 Unidentified Speaker OKAY. THANK YOU, STEVE AND I KNEW STEVE WOULD LIKE WHAT I SAID BEFORE ABOUT NO ROOM FOR DEMOCRACY...
00:12:05 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S A GOOD THING, ACTUALLY.
00:12:07 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S WHY HE KEPT WINNING ELECTIONS BECAUSE HE WAS A DICTATOR. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. BEING COUNTY...
00:17:58 Unidentified Speaker GIVEN THE WAY THE NEWS MEDIA THOUGH IN THE GOTCHA BUSINESS THIS DAY IN AGE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE...
00:18:12 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE. I'M NOT SURE WE COULD PRODUCE ANYBODY WHO COULD DO THAT BUT WHAT HE...
00:19:30 Unidentified Speaker I WANTED TO ASK YOU GOING BACK TO THE 76 CONVENTION, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE HERE DON'T...
00:19:59 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S RIGHT.
00:20:00 Unidentified Speaker AND YOU WERE HOLDING IT UP ON NATIONAL TELEVISION AND YOU SEEMED TO HAVE HAVING SO MUCH FUN. I REMEMBER...
00:20:51 Unidentified Speaker WELL --
00:20:52 Unidentified Speaker I WONDERED IF YOU WOULD SAY A BIT ABOUT THAT AND ALSO RELATED TO THAT, SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR...
00:20:59 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THE --, THAT'S WHAT TIM SAYS IS, IS TRUE. IT WAS, WE CAME TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD BOXED OURSELVES...
00:26:51 Unidentified Speaker I JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, YOU PROBABLY DID MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE TO DEPRIVE REAGAN OF THE NOMINATION...
00:26:57 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S RIGHT.
00:26:58 Unidentified Speaker AND YET HE DIDN'T HOLD A
00:26:59 Unidentified Speaker NO. REAGAN, REAGAN WAS WONDERFUL. I GOT, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I TOOK HIM ON IN 76, IN 1980 HE HE...
00:28:17 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE GOING TO DO A LITTLE MORE UP HERE AND THEN WE WILL START GOING WITH QUESTIONS BUT, YOUR REFERENCES...
00:29:13 Unidentified Speaker IT'S VERY INDIGENOUS AND, AND VERY MEANINGFUL TO POLITICIANS. LOYALTY. I'M SURE STEVE WOULD AGREE...
00:29:42 Unidentified Speaker LOYALTY IS EVERYTHING. I THINK SADLY THOUGH AS WE GO ON, YOU KNOW, THIS DAY IN AGE, I THINK LOYALTY...
00:29:50 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT'S WITH POLITICS AND WRONG WITH ...
00:31:29 Unidentified Speaker AND THEN YOU BECOME A COMMITTEE MAN AND GO ON UP THE LADDER. THAT CAN BE DONE. BUT RAISING YOUR MONEY...
00:32:00 Unidentified Speaker AS FAR AS THE LOCAL LEVEL. THE HIGHER THE LEVEL OF MORE MONEY IS NECESSARY. I THINK INDIVIDUAL CAN'T...
00:32:07 Unidentified Speaker EXACTLY. WHICH IS JUST NOT HEALTHY.
00:32:10 Unidentified Speaker YOU LOSE CONTROL.
00:32:11 Unidentified Speaker YEAH. YOU LOSE CONTROL. YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT. THERE IS JUST SO MUCH MONEY OUT THERE. IT IS VERY DISMAYING...
00:32:38 Unidentified Speaker BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT PHASE OF QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
00:32:41 Unidentified Speaker I JUST WANT TO GO BACK. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENCY, AND IT'S INTERESTING. IN YOUR BOOK...
00:33:14 Unidentified Speaker IS VERY INTERESTING. THE VICE PRESIDENT STAYED AT THE EXECUTIVE BUILDING. HIS OFFICE WAS IN THE EXECUTIVE...
00:34:30 Unidentified Speaker HAVE TO APOLOGIZE.
00:34:31 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE A SWEATSHIRT WITH THE TARGET ON THE BACK. A LINE THROUGH IT. IT SAYS DICK CHENEY HAD CLUB....
00:34:43 Unidentified Speaker BUT TRUST AND.
00:34:44 Unidentified Speaker HE DOESN'T HAVE TO. YOU JUST BROUGHT IT UP.
00:34:50 Unidentified Speaker WHAT ABOUT CHARLTON HESTON? THEN WE WILL GOOD AUDIENCE QUESTION.
00:34:57 Unidentified Speaker WELL, --
00:34:59 Unidentified Speaker YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. IT WAS SUBLIMINAL. HESTON WAS HEAD OF THE NRA, NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. BUT...
00:38:55 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO GO TO QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE AN IMPORTANT JOB. IF YOU WILL PASS THE MIC. HE PROBABLY...
00:39:07 Unidentified Speaker WELL, DICK IS SUCH A CHARMING GUY. I HESITATE TO ASK HIM AN EMBARRASSING QUESTION. BUT THOSE WHO KNOW...
00:39:42 Unidentified Speaker WELL, HE COULD NOT BE GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK FOR FOUR TERMS AND NOT TO SOME CRITICISM. YOU KNOW, HE...
00:40:34 Unidentified Speaker YEAH.
00:40:36 Unidentified Speaker IN THE END RESULT WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE BULLETS THAT KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE INCLUDING THE STATE...
00:40:51 Unidentified Speaker WELL, HOW MANY POLICE ACCESS TO YOU SEE TODAY THAT OUR BILL HANDLED? IT'S A DANGEROUS BUSINESS. BUT...
00:41:17 Unidentified Speaker I KEEP OUT OF POLITICS. [LAUGHTER]
00:41:18 Unidentified Speaker WISE ANSWER.
00:41:21 Unidentified Speaker COULD ANSWER.
00:41:24 Unidentified Speaker IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION FROM SOMEBODY? IF NOT, WE HAVE MORE PROBABLY. COME ON.
00:41:33 Unidentified Speaker YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE A STUDENT.
00:41:36 Unidentified Speaker LET'S BRING UP MICROPHONE UP HERE.
00:41:39 Unidentified Speaker HE IS ONE OF MY LIFELONG FRIENDS. WHEN I FIRST RAN FOR OFFICE HE WROTE AN ARTICLE, BELL RINGER RING...
00:41:48 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. I WANTED TO TELL THEM THE STORY. TELL THEM WHAT YOU USED IN THE CAMPAIGN. WELL,...
00:43:26 Unidentified Speaker WHERE WERE THEY WHEN I NEEDED THEM? BUT, YEAH. I MANAGED TO MAKE -- WHEN I WAS TRYING LAWSUITS I...
00:44:01 Unidentified Speaker ANYTHING ELSE?
00:44:04 Unidentified Speaker WE'D BE HERE ALL NIGHT.
00:44:10 Unidentified Speaker STAND.
00:44:12 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS DANGEROUS. THIS GENTLEMAN IS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
00:44:16 Unidentified Speaker WE APPRECIATE YOU PLANNING YOUR OWN QUESTIONS. [LAUGHTER]
00:44:24 Unidentified Speaker HAD JUST BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT AS A POLITICIAN YOU DO WHEN POLITICAL INTERESTS...
00:44:35 Unidentified Speaker LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. I WILL TELL YOU THIS. I PERSONALLY...
00:45:27 Unidentified Speaker AT THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS ACTUALLY IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO TAKE THE STEPS NOW. AND IT'S A...
00:46:04 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT OVER HERE.
00:46:05 Unidentified Speaker DICK, YOU INDICATED YOU ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE MEDIA AND LIKE TO TALK TO THE WASHINGTON POST SOUTH,...
00:46:14 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T CARE. [LAUGHTER]
00:46:19 Unidentified Speaker BY THE WAY, THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT. [LAUGHTER]
00:46:26 Unidentified Speaker I DIDN'T MEAN TO IMPLY THE CITY NEWSPAPER. THE CITY NEWSPAPER WAS ALWAYS GOOD TO ME.
00:46:34 Unidentified Speaker I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
00:46:36 Unidentified Speaker BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.
00:46:38 Unidentified Speaker I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW YOU FEEL ON THE MEDIA CHANGING FROM 30 YEARS AGO, 40 YEARS AGO? THEIR ROLE...
00:46:55 Unidentified Speaker I'LL TELL YOU. I HAVE ENORMOUS RESPECT FOR THE MEDIA. BECAUSE I THINK THAT NEWSPAPERS -- AND OF COURSE...
00:48:29 Unidentified Speaker WHAT I WAS RETURNING TO GET THAT, TO YOU THINK THEY ARE REPORTING THE SAME WAY PUBLICATIONS AND TELEVISION...
00:48:37 Unidentified Speaker NOT EXACTLY. THERE ARE FORCED INTO A SITUATION NOW WHERE SOUND BITES ARE SO IMPORTANT. AND WHAT THEY...
00:49:29 Unidentified Speaker I NOTICED YOU MENTION THE DNC AND THE NEW YORK TIMES. YOU PICK UP THE CITY EACH WEEST?
00:49:35 Unidentified Speaker I SEE IT NOW AND THEN. IT'S ON THE RACKS. [LAUGHTER]
00:49:44 Unidentified Speaker I'M TRYING TO HELP.
00:49:45 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T PICK IT UP EVERY DAY. I DO SEE IT. IT IS AROUND.
00:49:49 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE FUN. I HAVE BEEN ON GOOD BEHAVIOR.
00:49:54 Unidentified Speaker THE TO THIS ID READ OCCASIONALLY, BUT NOT EVERY DAY TO BE.
00:49:57 Unidentified Speaker WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE OR TWO MORE SHORT ONES. WE OVER HERE. GO AHEAD AND PASS. THANK YOU.
00:50:05 Unidentified Speaker CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TRANSITION FROM POLITICIAN, AUTHOR? AND ARE YOU ALREADY AT WORK...
00:50:18 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I'LL TELL YOU. I HAVE -- THE TRANSITION HAS BEEN A LOT OF FUN. THIS HAS BEEN A NEW EXPERIENCE....
00:52:36 Unidentified Speaker ACTUALLY, IT'S FUNNY YOU MENTION. WE ARE NUMBER 13, BY THE WAY. WHEN HE MENTIONS THIS AT DINNER TONIGHT...
00:52:53 Unidentified Speaker JIM, 13 IS A LUCKY NUMBER. THAT WILLINGHAM ABOUT TO HAVE MY 13th GRANDCHILD.
00:53:01 Unidentified Speaker CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE]
00:53:02 Unidentified Speaker OKAY. WE CAN PROBABLY SLIP IN ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. YES, WOULD YOU BRING THE MICROPHONE OVER TO...
00:53:19 Unidentified Speaker I THINK I'M GETTING SET UP HERE. [LAUGHTER]
00:53:21 Unidentified Speaker THERE IS NO SET UP. I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE YOU HAVE REFERENCE TO A TIME FRAME WHEN THE NEW YORK STATE...
00:53:57 Unidentified Speaker OF COURSE THOSE PEOPLE BLAME IT ON AND OVEREXERTED TAX POLICY, TAXING BUSINESS AND BEEN SPENDING WAY...
00:56:34 Unidentified Speaker THE WHITE STAR OF DAVID. [LAUGHTER]
00:56:38 Unidentified Speaker AND ON THAT RELIGIOUS NOTE WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS TO A CLOSE. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL ...
00:56:49 Unidentified Speaker TIM AND I WOULD PARTICULARLY LIKE TO THANK OUR STUDENTS TO BE ADMITTED HE DID PRIDE BY OFFERING EXTRA...
00:56:59 Unidentified Speaker CREDIT PERSUASION.
00:57:02 Unidentified Speaker NOT BRIBE WE ARE TALKING POLITICS TONIGHT. BUT I HOPE THEY WALKAWAY WITH MORE THAN THEIR EXTRA CREDITS...
00:58:17 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR COMING. I ENJOYED MORE...
00:58:30 Unidentified Speaker I WILL GO OUT HERE AND HOPE SOMEBODY BUYS THE BOOK. [LAUGHTER]
00:58:36 Unidentified Speaker MR. ROSENBAUM IS A SENIOR COUNSEL IN NIXON PEABODY, LLP, A GRADUATE OF CORNELL UNIVERSITY

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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