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| 00:00:47 |
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We are going to begin right away. There is -- and I apologize for the schedule conflict; it... |
| 00:01:11 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the U.S. automakers didn't play such a central role in the American... |
| 00:06:37 |
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We'll now go to our congressional witnesses. And again, given the Republican conference going... |
| 00:06:44 |
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Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate your willingness to go out of regular order to allow... |
| 00:11:33 |
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Next we will go to the Levin of your choice. Who goes first? Are we going by age or branch? |
| 00:11:40 |
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We've never disagreed on anything, I think, in our entire life. We're not disagreeing on this... |
| 00:11:47 |
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Our colleague -- we'll go by age -- our colleague from the House. (Laughter.) |
| 00:11:53 |
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That's the one thing that we disagree on as a matter of fact. Mr. Chairman and members of the... |
| 00:17:20 |
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Thank you. I just want to acknowledge that this is a matter of great interest and while we have... |
| 00:18:18 |
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Thank you Mr. Chairman, it's good to be here. And I'm glad you're having the hearing. Let... |
| 00:18:24 |
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Without objection all oral statements from all members will be printed in the record. |
| 00:18:29 |
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Let me just summarize the points that I would like to make today. Clearly the automobile... |
| 00:23:35 |
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The gentlewoman from Michigan, Ms. Miller. |
| 00:23:37 |
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Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, the ranking member, as well as all the members of the committee. I... |
| 00:28:37 |
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Before I turn to Mr. Levin, let me just say -- we don't want -- (inaudible) -- to our TV audience,... |
| 00:29:22 |
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Thank you Mr. Chairman, and ranking member Bachus and all of my colleagues. I was in the... |
| 00:35:05 |
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The gentleman from Alabama had asked for 30 seconds to make a clarification. |
| 00:35:10 |
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Thank you, Senator. I appreciate your -- or Congressman -- I appreciate your remarks. Let me... |
| 00:36:19 |
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Mr. Bachus, I fully agree and the Big Three have agreed to a new wage structure. People are... |
| 00:36:53 |
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I would just note -- and I know -- get the gentlemen's point -- but Lehman Brothers is probably... |
| 00:37:02 |
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That's right |
| 00:37:03 |
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But there were others who -- |
| 00:37:05 |
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Bear Sterns, all of them. |
| 00:37:06 |
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The gentlewoman from Michigan. |
| 00:37:07 |
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Thank you Mr. Chairman and members of the committee for allowing us to come today before our powerhouse... |
| 00:43:01 |
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I thank the gentlewoman. I thank all of my colleagues for testifying quite succinctly on the... |
| 00:43:18 |
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Well thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. And I appreciate you holding this very important meeting... |
| 00:44:14 |
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No, we're not going to be having any questions to the panel so if you could just make -- |
| 00:44:18 |
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But I basically wanted to support this legislation. I think it's important that we deal with... |
| 00:44:38 |
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Thank you. In fairness to all the witnesses -- |
| 00:44:40 |
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Mr. Frank, we thank you for all of your work and I hope everybody will take a hard look at the... |
| 00:44:46 |
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You're welcome and we'll now call on our next panel. The next panel will come forward I will... |
| 00:50:40 |
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Mr. Chairman, like many industries in America, the automotive sector confronts dire economic... |
| 00:54:16 |
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The witnesses will now begin with their opening statements. We had no further requests for an... |
| 00:54:30 |
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Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you today about... |
| 00:59:16 |
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Next, Mr. Robert Nardelli from Chrysler. |
| 00:59:19 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and members of this Committee. I certainly appreciate the opportunity... |
| 01:04:34 |
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And now, Mr. Alan Mulally, of Ford. |
| 01:04:37 |
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Thank you, Chairman Frank and members of the Committee. I appreciate the opportunity to be here... |
| 01:09:50 |
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Mr. Ron Gettelfinger, from the United Auto Workers. |
| 01:09:54 |
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Mr. Chairman, on behalf of the men and women of UAW, thank you for the opportunity to testify... |
| 01:15:36 |
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Thank you, Mr. Gettelfinger. Let me just at this point ask unanimous consent to insert into the... |
| 01:16:30 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gentlemen, first of all, let me compliment the UAW, the first time... |
| 01:17:04 |
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No, sir. I think it's completely due to the credit crisis. And I just give you as an example,... |
| 01:17:30 |
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In a way of analogy, the Committee, or the Congress, is sitting as a loan officer in a bank,... |
| 01:18:30 |
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Congressman, we'd glad. And I think in our various comments, we've commented on the kind of... |
| 01:18:49 |
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Then, Mr. Wagoner, then you would be agreeable that we find some methodology to buy some time... |
| 01:19:13 |
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I don't believe, Congressman, that we have the luxury of a lot of time. And if I could -- |
| 01:19:19 |
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Why? Tell me, when are you going to run out of money? |
| 01:19:21 |
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I can't tell you that for certain because a lot depends on whether our suppliers will continue... |
| 01:19:31 |
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Accounting-wise, you have to tell us if everybody acted against your best interest, there's... |
| 01:19:41 |
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Yeah. The needs are urgent. If everybody who lent money to the industry suppliers asked it to... |
| 01:19:53 |
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What amount of money would you need to take you through March 30th? |
| 01:19:59 |
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We have talked about this 25 billion (dollars) bridge loan. And while -- |
| 01:20:02 |
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Now, a $25 billion bridge loan is for three auto companies. I'm asking about General Motors.... |
| 01:20:16 |
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We have talked about an allocation of the 25 billion (dollars) that would be approximately based... |
| 01:20:30 |
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Maybe I'm dense, Mr. Wagoner. I don't quite understand what the hell you just told me. Can't... |
| 01:20:44 |
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Congressman, it's going to depend on what happens with suppliers and the market. |
| 01:20:48 |
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I understand that. Give me your worst-case scenario. |
| 01:20:54 |
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Worst-case scenario, the amount of money would be significant. I mean, we have supplier -- |
| 01:20:56 |
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What is significant? |
| 01:20:56 |
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-- 4 (billion dollars) or $5 billion every month. |
| 01:20:59 |
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So what you're telling us is that since you anticipate borrowing 15 (billion dollars) to $18... |
| 01:21:18 |
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The analysis that we've done is based on an assumption that the U.S. market continues at about... |
| 01:21:40 |
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The gentleman's time has expired. In light of what the gentleman raised, I am going to now recognize... |
| 01:23:24 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gentlemen, before I lost my mind and went into politics, I spent 25... |
| 01:25:28 |
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Okay, I'll start. Thank you, Congressman Campbell. The things that are being done differently... |
| 01:27:07 |
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Yes, sir. For us, you mentioned, relative to the private equity, we did publicly disclose that... |
| 01:28:35 |
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Mr. Mulally, quickly, if you can. Thank you. |
| 01:28:38 |
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I think your question, Congressman, is very, very important. As you well know, having a clear... |
| 01:30:27 |
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Thank you, Mr. Mulally. |
| 01:30:28 |
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And the best value. |
| 01:30:34 |
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Commercials can go away. We're in a time problem. The gentlewoman from California. |
| 01:30:37 |
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Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Again, I thank you for this hearing. It is extremely important that... |
| 01:34:52 |
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Yes. What we're trying to do, Congresswoman, is also work on the ability of our finance companies... |
| 01:35:09 |
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Well, GMAC has a letter here to your dealers that says, "In response to difficult credit, market... |
| 01:35:47 |
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We really need the amount of money we're talking about here for the operating business. But... |
| 01:36:03 |
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Mr. Nardelli, would you be willing to dedicate $1 billion of this money to help the dealerships. |
| 01:36:11 |
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Madame, we would be willing and open to any suggestions from this committee or Congress. But... |
| 01:36:36 |
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Mr. Nardelli, we've got to be more specific than that. We don't have time for -- |
| 01:36:39 |
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So he basically agrees. Mr. Alan Mulally, what do you think, from Ford Motor Company? Would... |
| 01:36:49 |
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I think the question has been put. We really have to -- |
| 01:36:51 |
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-- or the 26 billion (dollars). |
| 01:36:54 |
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-- be on time. Let's have the (answer ?). |
| 01:36:56 |
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I think that the actions we've taken with the Fed to free up the credit is absolutely the right... |
| 01:37:02 |
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So your answer is yes? |
| 01:37:05 |
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Pardon me? |
| 01:37:05 |
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Your answer is yes? |
| 01:37:08 |
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I think the actions are in place right now where the Fed are doing exactly what you are asking... |
| 01:37:13 |
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The gentlewoman from West Virginia. |
| 01:37:15 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank the panelists, too. I have a question on the... |
| 01:37:37 |
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Regulations were promulgated recently and I think all of us now have filed our first applications.... |
| 01:38:04 |
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Well, I think there's been some suggestions that if we were to take the first 25 billion (dollars)... |
| 01:38:22 |
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Well, from my side, to be honest, we've been, or at least from GM's side, we have been clear... |
| 01:38:36 |
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Yes. |
| 01:38:38 |
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Yes. I'd like to make a comment on that. You know, when we did that last year during the 2007... |
| 01:39:36 |
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So basically, you're both saying the double track is what's needed here. But let me go to the... |
| 01:39:55 |
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Well, for Chrysler we did -- we looked at an assumption of what the balance of the year will... |
| 01:40:23 |
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And then GM was -- |
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Performed a similar sort of analysis and came up with an estimate of 10 (billion dollars) to... |
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And then -- |
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In Ford, we're in a little different position because we believe that the actions that we have... |
| 01:41:04 |
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And the reason I'm keying in on this is because on the $700 billion bailout figure, there was... |
| 01:42:42 |
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Ms. Maloney? |
| 01:42:45 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding this meeting and this important hearing. It is unacceptable... |
| 01:46:00 |
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I think as we said in our testimony bankruptcy would be devastating. I know from Chrysler's... |
| 01:47:18 |
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Yes. |
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I would also like to add the point, there'd be a massive loss of revenue under any scenario.... |
| 01:47:54 |
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The gentleman from Alabama. |
| 01:47:56 |
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Thank you. From what I can understand and you correct me if I'm wrong, there are two problems... |
| 01:48:57 |
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It certainly is one of the major problems that we're facing today as I've stated. Our consumers... |
| 01:49:41 |
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Well, let me ask you this then. I'm assuming that the other two gentleman agree that have --... |
| 01:50:01 |
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GMAC has been able to use the commercial paper backup facility at the Fed recently, that has... |
| 01:50:17 |
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And that would help, wouldn't it? |
| 01:50:17 |
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That would help tremendously, yes sir. |
| 01:50:19 |
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And that's something we can do without legislation. I'm not suggesting that there won't be legislation... |
| 01:50:27 |
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That would help tremendously, yes sir. |
| 01:50:27 |
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And that's something we could do without legislation. I'm not suggesting that there won't be... |
| 01:50:30 |
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Yes sir. And I understand those are at various stages of review at the Fed. |
| 01:50:30 |
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Yeah, I would -- |
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Would the gentleman -- if the gentleman would yield for just a second -- |
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-- there's some sense of urgency, yeah. |
| 01:50:32 |
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I had a colloquy specifically on that point with the gentleman from Michigan, Mr. Dingell, to... |
| 01:50:42 |
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I mean -- you know, I'd be disappointed if that wasn't a top priority of the Fed today. Let... |
| 01:51:29 |
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Thank you for the question, sir. What we've been doing is we have continually -- in negotiations.... |
| 01:52:53 |
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Let me say that -- |
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But I might add also that the UAW can't be the low-hanging fruit, the men and women, the only... |
| 01:53:16 |
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And I agree with you. And let me say this, I think it would be helpful as you sell the public... |
| 01:53:36 |
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Thank you for that. And we do try to get that out to the public. But unfortunately oftentimes... |
| 01:53:48 |
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Mr. Gettelfinger, there's a lot of that going around. The gentleman from New York. |
| 01:53:55 |
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Thank you Mr. Chairman. There's a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into... |
| 01:58:26 |
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Well, sir, I can tell you what we've done at Chrysler in the last 18 months. We've installed... |
| 01:59:07 |
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The gentleman from North Carolina. |
| 01:59:10 |
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Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. Gentlemen, thank you for being here -- to your left, I'm... |
| 01:59:23 |
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Sometimes. |
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(Chuckles.) Well, I'm somewhat independent -- thank you, Mr. Chairman. The budget should be... |
| 02:03:14 |
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I can just take 30 seconds and share time with -- your point is well taken on the Crossfire.... |
| 02:03:56 |
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I would say the auto business has become somewhat more global over the years. And, you know,... |
| 02:04:44 |
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I'd just like to add that the Ford Motor Company plan -- we operate, as you know, around the... |
| 02:05:19 |
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If the gentleman would yield. I think one of the (answers ?) did have, however, a real problem... |
| 02:05:42 |
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Mr. Chairman -- |
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Yeah, Mr. Gettelfinger. |
| 02:05:43 |
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I just wanted to thank the representative for his comments, because the gentlemen to my right... |
| 02:06:14 |
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Mr. Chairman, may I make my statement and then close, sir? |
| 02:06:18 |
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Certainly, because I took some of your time. |
| 02:06:20 |
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The Thursday after the Tuesday election at East Carolina University in Greenville, North Carolina,... |
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The other gentleman from North Carolina. |
| 02:07:22 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And let me start by thanking the chair and the Senate yesterday for... |
| 02:09:50 |
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You bet. I think it's a very important consideration, because, just like we have ended up over... |
| 02:10:14 |
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Well, overcapacity suggests that a number of them will go out of business. And my experience... |
| 02:10:44 |
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Our data says that it isn't associated with how long they've been in business. It's their fundamental... |
| 02:11:13 |
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Now, a number of them are also experiencing challenges with the financial services sector because... |
| 02:11:54 |
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Sir, this is specifically operating money and, as we discussed, possibly when you were out of... |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
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The gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Manzullo. |
| 02:12:45 |
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Thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity that we have this afternoon. Especially welcome... |
| 02:13:40 |
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Excuse me, if I could just start with that. We've recently actually just begun a national advertising... |
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Those are local credit unions and local banks? |
| 02:14:08 |
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Yes, yes. |
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Sir, we have gone to two major banks. We have given one of them half of our country, four of... |
| 02:14:47 |
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Yeah, also I have a loan into the FDIC, an application in for Industrial Bank which will help... |
| 02:15:08 |
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The reason I asked that is you're asking for taxpayers funds for people to buy cars when, in... |
| 02:15:39 |
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Yeah. The money will basically be used as a bridge financing because actually private capital... |
| 02:15:44 |
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But where would -- where would it go? |
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-- is not available to us at this time. So -- |
| 02:15:47 |
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Where would the money go? |
| 02:15:47 |
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-- used for us to continue our capital spenditures on our Ford programs, to continue our product... |
| 02:15:59 |
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Alright. The -- I presume it would be the same answer, it's going for general operating expenses.... |
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We've built our -- as we explained earlier, we built our estimates on the amount of funding... |
| 02:16:31 |
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The reason I asked the question is, isn't it better to give a 3 (thousand dollar) or $4,000... |
| 02:17:05 |
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Well sir, there's no question -- you know, given where we are, we're open to any suggestions.... |
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The consumer has access to a loan, Mr. Nardelli. It's the local credit union and the local bank.... |
| 02:17:35 |
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Well then, sir, the -- certainly the increase in the balance sheet, the reduction in debt to... |
| 02:17:44 |
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Well I -- I thank you. |
| 02:17:47 |
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The gentleman has the last comment. Did you have a last comment you wanted to make at this time? |
| 02:17:52 |
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No I just -- the comment that -- Mr. Chairman, thank you, you're very generous -- is the fact... |
| 02:18:17 |
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I think the statements been made. The gentleman from California. |
| 02:18:23 |
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It would be insane if this country stopped designing and building automobiles and trucks. It... |
| 02:22:53 |
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We won't have time for everyone to answer, but we'll get a couple. |
| 02:22:57 |
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Let's hear from General Motors. |
| 02:22:57 |
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Yeah. I think we've all been clear that we're very willing to do warrants. To be honest, I shareholders... |
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If I have time, Ford as well. |
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Nothing else to add. |
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So we're talking, roughly, five times the number of warrants called for in the current draft... |
| 02:23:30 |
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The gentleman from New York. |
| 02:23:30 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. I was listening to some of the questions by Mr. Watt, and I'm trying... |
| 02:25:09 |
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Maybe I could offer some perspective on it. I think, generally, people who look at the industry... |
| 02:26:03 |
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And encourage mergers. I mean, this is the day and age of mergers. |
| 02:26:05 |
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And we do provide, in some cases, support for that to be done. But I can assure you, in virtually... |
| 02:26:34 |
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Yesterday at the Senate committee hearing, I think I heard a number of senators reference Honda... |
| 02:27:42 |
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Sir, if you're familiar with the Harber Report -- and I think Mr. Gettelfinger has it -- the... |
| 02:28:47 |
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Before I go to the next questioner, let me say -- assuming the indulgence of the witnesses,... |
| 02:29:20 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I had a conversation with an auto dealer in my district back in the... |
| 02:31:44 |
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It's just such an important question. And I think from a lessons learned point of view, being... |
| 02:33:40 |
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And be competitive? |
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And be competitive. And actually -- and like you've -- like I mentioned this morning, we are... |
| 02:34:20 |
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The gentlewoman from New York. |
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Thank you. |
| 02:34:24 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Wagoner, clearly the $25 billion assistance package that Congress... |
| 02:35:15 |
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Thank you. I think I tried to address the business restructuring, the cost restructuring, in... |
| 02:35:37 |
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So when you mentioned the union side, will that mean, what, pensions? |
| 02:35:43 |
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No, I'm talking about the fact that we have restructured labor agreements, reduced labor rates... |
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And besides that, what else would you do? |
| 02:35:52 |
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We are going to continue our focus on new product launches, and particularly -- and in line... |
| 02:36:22 |
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So, sir, what about marketing and advertising? Will you have an ad at a cost of $3 million per... |
| 02:36:48 |
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Yeah. We have -- we're not going to do Super Bowl ads this year, frankly, because we're cutting... |
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Okay. |
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And I think it's fair to say every part of our business, cutting back expenses dramatically,... |
| 02:37:08 |
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Thank you. Mr. Nardelli, I understand that 80.1 percent of Chrysler is owned by the private... |
| 02:37:20 |
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Yes. There is a -- |
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Okay. So I understand also that -- (inaudible) -- senior executives at that firm include former... |
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Yes. |
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Yeah. Both gentlemen strongly support, or supported, free market policies in their government... |
| 02:38:03 |
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Well, as I said in my comments, that Cerberus Capital Management has made it clear that they... |
| 02:38:19 |
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Thank you. Mr. Mulally, as you know, several Wall Street firms recently announced that... |
| 02:38:47 |
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Yes. We've already decided to forego any merit increases on the base salary and also any bonuses.... |
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Okay. |
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-- we're in a very competitive marketplace. But we have a very -- (inaudible) -- motivated team. (Cross... |
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But I understand that you made that commitment. Thank you. |
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You bet. |
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Mr. Nardelli, we have heard you and your peers express your willingness to improve the fuel... |
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May I answer? |
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Yes. You can finish. |
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We did select a single technology. Because of our financial situation, we could not afford to... |
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(Strikes gavel.) The gentleman from Michigan, Mr. McCotter, is now recognized by members of... |
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I thank the chairman. Thank you for your indulgence, and I will have an opening statement and... |
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(Strikes gavel.) Now it is to be long enough without that stuff. Gentleman from Missouri. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And my comments are not as passionate as my friend from Michigan, but... |
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Sure. Thank you. I want to be candid to your comment about can we tell you with absolute... |
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Excuse me for interrupting, but on the point of the credit market and in freeing up credit,... |
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What we have -- we talked about this a little bit earlier, but based on a -- what we think conservative... |
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Okay. Mr. Nardelli how do we stop the bleeding of jobs in the industry? How do we save some... |
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Well, sir, the first way we need to do that is to get this economy turned around and to try... |
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Thank you. |
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The gentleman from Delaware is now recognized for a combined seven minutes for opening statement... |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will try to just summarize a bit of an opening statement. I,... |
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We have a minute. Go ahead. |
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I think you really hit on the key parts. And just two areas I'd like to focus on in response... |
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Quickly! |
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With the agreement that we've made the UAW and our productivity improvements, we can make cars,... |
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Thank you. The gentleman from Massachusetts. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman and ranking member. I have a little bit of history with the auto industry.... |
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Well, thank you for the question. As far as asking the Chinese government. We haven't. To be honest,... |
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Let me ask you: So in -- and I know. I've been to China. I've seen the Buick Regals selling... |
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In China, basically, almost everything that we sell in China is made there. We export almost... |
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How about Mexico? |
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Mexico is integrated completely in our U.S.- Canadian production system. So we build many cars... |
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We'll have to get the rest in writing, because we're over the time. |
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Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
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The gentleman from Michigan, by unanimous consent, wasn't able to be here for an opening testimony... |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that. And to save time, I will associate my remarks... |
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I would ask similarly for two minutes for the other gentleman from Michigan, from Flint, Mr.... |
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I thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was a cosponsor, back in 1979, of the Chrysler loan guarantee and... |
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Mr. Neugebauer. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the panelists for being here today and I apologize if any of... |
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Yeah. I think the way I would respond is the auto business has taken painful and dramatic moves... |
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Sir, I wonder if I could just offer one thought -- is what makes this different from the examples... |
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I think the only thing I would like to add is that it's just so important that we're part of... |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
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Mr. Miller. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Much of the debate today and in the country in the last few weeks has... |
| 03:21:26 |
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My personal view is we have from the GM shareholders over the years received a number of shareholder... |
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Anyone? Mr. Nardelli? |
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Obviously we're in a slightly different position as being the first privately held auto company... |
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Sure. Clearly, as a publicly traded company, our number one priority is to create value over... |
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Mr. Gettelfinger, you're making common calls of management today, but many of the labor movement... |
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Well, I think what we do if we look back at the conclusion of negotiations last year -- and... |
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Gentlelady from Illinois. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Like Mr. Ehlers that just asked a question, for years many of us in... |
| 03:27:07 |
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We have -- we have six or seven cars that are getting over 28 miles per gallon. Our Caliber... |
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But that's still two years. Mr. Wagoner? |
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We have 20 models that get more than 30 miles per gallon highway, more than twice any other... |
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Mr. Mulally. |
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Yes, nothing else to add on the competitiveness. We have a terrific lineup. And to your question,... |
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Then what -- would a bailout loan to your companies go to your finance or to the operations... |
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We're talking about now is support for the operating side of the business. |
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Okay. What percentage of a loan would go towards financing consumer auto loans, to start moving... |
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Right now none of the money that we're asking for today would go towards loans. We are working... |
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Okay. Well I've heard that some of the loans that are being made are 9 percent loans, but that... |
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I think it's fair to say that the consumer -- the requirements for consumers are much tougher... |
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Wouldn't that -- then how are you going to sell cars? |
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Well we're, that's one of the things that's contributing to the lower industry sales, but as... |
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Well, how would you do that? And I mean, if you're going to take a bailout to make sure that... |
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What we're trying to do is work with other potential sources of credit; we talked earlier about... |
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Just one other quick question. How many of your dealers are not getting paid? Are they all being... |
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No. |
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They're all being paid on time? |
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Yes. |
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Okay. Thank you. I yield back. |
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Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I think that we really at this point need to put this in perspective.... |
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Thank you, Mr. Scott. Mr. Hensarling, you are allotted seven minutes. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My apologies to you, gentlemen; I missed most of your testimony and... |
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I, prior to your being here, commented on that matter, that we, like all businesses, build our... |
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Well, Mr. Wagoner, maybe I missed it, but what plan have you or are you willing to put on the... |
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We have developed a detailed plan, I think, the nature of it. Traditionally those kind of things... |
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The gentleman from -- |
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(We have ?) detailed plans, sir. |
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The gentleman from Texas, Mr. Green. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in a metaphorical sense, I rise to speak on behalf of... |
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I just want to announce, I think 2:30 is a reasonable time to release them. So I am going to... |
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Mr. Chairman, thank you. And thank -- (audio break) -- |
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Mr. McHenry for five minutes. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Most large corporations that would be facing similar situations that... |
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Let me -- excuse me. I can speak for Chrysler. As you know -- obviously... |
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That's not my question. So you do have plans, yes? |
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I would say that we have gone through and have outside advisors to help us think through the... |
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All right. Mr. Wagoner. |
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Because of our studies on the ramifications of bankruptcies on consumers we have concluded that... |
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So you have no plans for how you go through that process -- either Chapter 7 or Chapter 11,... |
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It is my view, based on the research that I've done and our experts have done, that Chapter... |
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So therefore, you have studied it? |
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We have -- our experts have knowledge in this area, yes, sir. |
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Okay. Mr. Mulally. |
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Yes, we have studied that option. We believe it's not a viable option. So we have no plans for... |
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A far more positive comment from you. But -- so as a potential vote on whether or not to lend... |
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I think you're significantly misinterpreting what I said -- |
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Well you said you have plans for Chapter 7 -- |
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Let me be clear, I did not say that, in fact. I said that my expectation was, based on independent... |
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Okay, reclaiming my time, I would submit to you that there are many industries in America that... |
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The gentleman from Missouri. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have six questions, I think we can get through them if you cooperate... |
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From our standpoint, as I said earlier, we looked at the balance of this year. We looked at... |
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Okay, thank you. So are we going to divide three into 25 (billion dollars)? |
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No we are asking for 7 billion (dollars). |
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So we're going to do -- |
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Chrysler. |
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No, no, Chrysler, General Motors, Ford -- 7 billion (dollars) a piece that's 21 (billion dollars). |
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No sir, we're asking -- Chrysler is asking for 7 billion (dollars). |
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Okay what is General Motors -- |
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We had indicated against the suggested package of 25 (billion dollars) that proportionate to... |
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Ford? Sir? |
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It would be the rest based on the market share calculation. |
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(Laughs.) This is a -- I mean we're just spending $25 billion loosely. I mean this is loosey-goosey... |
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I can speak in the case of GM that it's an inaccurate, completely inaccurate conclusion. |
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I can say not in -- relative to his comments Chrysler, I think, has made pretty public that... |
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His summary was very accurate. We went to the markets early and aggressively to be able to fund... |
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Okay. GMAC receives a part of this money although they are a non-depository institution -- I... |
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Just to be clear, we own 49 percent GMAC so don't have control at this point. |
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Okay. But you ought to be really angry with them or some -- I mean, whether you control it or... |
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Yeah, the issue is they have just as we have been significantly unable to raise credit. The... |
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The gentlewoman from Minnesota is recognized for seven minutes, combining an opening statement. |
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Mr. Chairman, thank you. Once again our committee has convened to hear the pleas of yet one... |
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There's seven seconds left for the response. |
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Many other countries are discussing with their automakers funding support -- would be the first... |
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The gentleman from Colorado. |
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Thanks, Mr. Chair. And gentlemen thank you for your time today. You've had a lot of questions,... |
| 04:11:23 |
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Third quarter of 2007 I don't remember the specific quarters but I believe that's the quarter... |
| 04:11:32 |
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Okay what about the third quarter of this year? |
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We also recorded a loss. |
| 04:11:37 |
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How big? |
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The total was, as I recall, about $2.9 billion net- net. |
| 04:11:42 |
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Okay, what's your forecast for this fourth quarter? |
| 04:11:44 |
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We don't provide financial guidance in earnings. |
| 04:11:49 |
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I mean, this is an interesting way to negotiate a loan, wouldn't you say? I mean -- you're asking... |
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I would say it looks like at this point industry sales are running about the same level. |
| 04:12:17 |
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So still down steeply -- 50 percent or -- ? |
| 04:12:17 |
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Well ours aren't' down quite as much. We had a strong prior September so we had a little weaker... |
| 04:12:39 |
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Mr. Nardelli, what was your quarter like this past third quarter? |
| 04:12:47 |
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We lost money in the third quarter. |
| 04:12:50 |
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How much? |
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We burned about three billion dollars in cash. |
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What's your break even on a monthly basis? |
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On a monthly basis relative to -- |
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What are your operating expenses? How much do you got to do to pay your salaries, no bonuses,... |
| 04:13:07 |
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We have about a 4 (billion dollar) to $5 billion obligation. |
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So 4 (billion dollars) to 5 (billion dollars)per month. |
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Yes, sir. |
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And Mr. Wagoner, I meant to ask you that. |
| 04:13:20 |
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Well our total expenses in let's say North America maybe in a normal industry would run around... |
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And Mr. Malally, how'd you do last quarter? |
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We lost ($)4 billion. |
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Okay. And what's your monthly net? |
| 04:13:46 |
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In the third quarter we had a run rate of seven point seven, but we think that going forward,... |
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Okay. I think somebody mentioned and it may have been you, Mr. Wagoner, that taking a conservative... |
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That was an industry forecast, U.S. industry forecast, light vehicles, yes. |
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Okay. |
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Hope it's better than that but -- |
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Okay. Because what I saw or at least as of October the annualized rate was like 10 million something... |
| 04:14:34 |
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It was 10.8 in October, right, which is significantly the worst month of the year but obviously... |
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If there were a bankruptcy, and this goes to you, Mr. Gettelfinger, one of the things I've been... |
| 04:15:13 |
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I think if there's a Chapter 11, first of all one of the companies it will drag at least one... |
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Thank you. |
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The gentleman from Illinois. |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
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Five minutes. |
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Can you tell me gentlemen the three of you what the terms of the loan are that you're suggesting?... |
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We had talked about an interest bearing loan, five percent for the first four years I think... |
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Thank you. What is it that animates the hope in you that sales are going to be robust... |
| 04:16:55 |
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Well I think things are difficult today. It is the lowest level that the industry has run in... |
| 04:17:55 |
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Okay. I get it. So you're assuming that we're essentially at the bottom of that, that there... |
| 04:17:58 |
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Yeah. We expect to stay there for awhile but yes. We're taking I think within Chrysler a more... |
| 04:18:35 |
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You know one of the things that you essentially the three of you open yourselves up to is incredible... |
| 04:19:45 |
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Yeah, I'm willing to continue to do what I've been doing. I've had no cash bonuses three of... |
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Okay. Are you willing to go the other 50 down to a dollar? |
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I don't have a position on that today. |
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Okay. Mr. Mulally? |
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We have eliminated all of our bonuses also and also any salary increases. We think that's absolutely... |
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Okay. Are you willing to go down to the dollar? |
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I think it's, I understand your point about the symbol and clearly the intent of what you're... |
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Okay. And just so I'm clear, I'm not asking about the team, I'm just asking about you. |
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Understand. |
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And the answer's no? |
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I think I'm okay where I am. |
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Okay. And Mr. -- time's up? Okay. Thank you. |
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The gentleman from Indiana. We have three more, gentlemen. |
| 04:21:13 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Sometimes the toughest time to see that there's headway being made... |
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Yes, sir. |
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If you use that now for the operational purposes, if we gave authority to do that, the things... |
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Well, the legislation as written for 136 doesn't permit that -- |
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Well, that's what I'm saying. If an adjustment was made, is that the kind of thing that could... |
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I think it could work, yes. |
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Okay. |
| 04:24:45 |
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A lot of the spending that we'll do under 136, we're sort of starting right now. So it's not... |
| 04:24:59 |
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Okay. And then the next thing is, in my district -- and we're really proud to make Chrysler... |
| 04:25:30 |
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Well, I can tell you what we've said, when we had a chance to talk to the speaker and her leadership... |
| 04:26:13 |
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Mr. Nardelli? |
| 04:26:13 |
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Yes, sir. I would say that the 25 billion (dollars) that we're asking for is to meet the immediacy... |
| 04:26:54 |
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But as of right now, your plans are to move forward as individual companies and achieve success... |
| 04:27:01 |
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We are doing everything humanly possible to survive this current period. |
| 04:27:07 |
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Thank you. Ms. Speier, you have five minutes. |
| 04:27:11 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you all for being here and for weathering a almost... |
| 04:30:00 |
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To be clear, you're talking about the -- moving the 2020 standards to 2015? Yeah. I -- to be... |
| 04:30:29 |
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Mr. Nardelli? |
| 04:30:32 |
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I would say, in a similar fashion, the only thing that would allow us to advance those is a... |
| 04:31:25 |
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I understand that. What I'm saying to you is if we linked the 2015 date to this bailout, would... |
| 04:31:38 |
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I really don't know that -- again, sitting here today, I can tell you we are open. We'll look... |
| 04:31:52 |
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Thank you. Mr. Mulally? |
| 04:31:52 |
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Well, as a technologist, I'd like to offer you a thought on that. I thought that what we did... |
| 04:32:25 |
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The gentleman from Massachusetts will be the final questioner. |
| 04:32:28 |
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Gentlemen, thank you for doing this, but I figure for three and a half... |
| 04:36:32 |
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Well -- (chuckles) -- I personally -- I couldn't be more aligned with you. I've dedicated my... |
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The hearing is ready to move on to the next phase. The witnesses are excused, and we will call... |