Automotive Industry Assistance, Auto Executives

Nov 19, 2008

House Committee Financial Services

Automobile industry executives testified about the financial state of the industry and their request for $25 billion in emergency federal aid to avoid collapse. Some automakers said they might run out of money by the end of the year and said that they were not in financial difficulty due to management mistakes, but the weak economy and the .. Read More
Automobile industry executives testified about the financial state of the industry and their request for $25 billion in emergency federal aid to avoid collapse. Some automakers said they might run out of money by the end of the year and said that they were not in financial difficulty due to management mistakes, but the weak economy and the inability of consumers to obtain credit to buy cars. Several committee members questioned the executives' dedication to reform and cost-cutting, noting that they had traveled to Washington on expensive corporate airplanes.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:47 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

We are going to begin right away. There is -- and I

apologize for the schedule conflict; it...

00:01:11 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

If the U.S. automakers didn't play such a central role in the

American...

00:06:37 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

We'll now go to our congressional witnesses. And

again, given the Republican conference going...

00:06:44 Upton, Frederick S.U.S. Representative

Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate your

willingness to go out of regular order to allow...

00:11:33 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Next we will go to the Levin of your choice. Who

goes first? Are we going by age or branch?

00:11:40 Levin, CarlU.S. Senator

We've never disagreed on anything, I think, in our

entire life. We're not disagreeing on this...

00:11:47 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Our colleague -- we'll go by age -- our colleague

from the House. (Laughter.)

00:11:53 Levin, CarlU.S. Senator

That's the one thing that we disagree on as a matter

of fact. Mr. Chairman and members of the...

00:17:20 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Thank you. I just want to acknowledge that this is a

matter of great interest and while we have...

00:18:18 Hoekstra, PeterU.S. Representative

Thank you Mr. Chairman, it's good to

be here. And I'm glad you're having the hearing.

Let...

00:18:24 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Without objection all oral statements from all

members will be printed in the record.

00:18:29 Hoekstra, PeterU.S. Representative

Let me just summarize the points that I would

like to make today.

Clearly the automobile...

00:23:35 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentlewoman from Michigan, Ms. Miller.

00:23:37 Miller, CandiceU.S. Representative

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman,

the ranking member, as well as all the members of the committee.

I...

00:28:37 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Before I turn to Mr. Levin, let me just say -- we

don't want -- (inaudible) -- to our TV audience,...

00:29:22 Levin, Sander MartinU.S. Representative

Thank you Mr. Chairman, and ranking

member Bachus and all of my colleagues.

I was in the...

00:35:05 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Alabama had asked for 30 seconds

to make a clarification.

00:35:10 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

Thank you, Senator. I appreciate

your -- or Congressman -- I appreciate your remarks. Let me...

00:36:19 Levin, Sander MartinU.S. Representative

Mr. Bachus, I fully agree and the Big Three have

agreed to a new wage structure. People are...

00:36:53 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

I would just note -- and I know -- get the

gentlemen's point -- but Lehman Brothers is probably...

00:37:02 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

That's right

00:37:03 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

But there were others who --

00:37:05 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

Bear Sterns, all of them.

00:37:06 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentlewoman from Michigan.

00:37:07 Kilpatrick, Carolyn CheeksU.S. Representative

Thank you Mr. Chairman

and members of the committee for allowing us to come today before our

powerhouse...

00:43:01 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

I thank the gentlewoman. I thank all of my

colleagues for testifying quite succinctly on the...

00:43:18 Baca, JoeChair

Well thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

And I appreciate you holding this very important meeting...

00:44:14 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

No, we're not going to be having any questions to

the panel so if you could just make --

00:44:18 Baca, JoeChair

But I basically wanted to support this legislation.

I think it's important that we deal with...

00:44:38 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Thank you. In fairness to all the witnesses --

00:44:40 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

Mr. Frank, we thank you for all of your work and I

hope everybody will take a hard look at the...

00:44:46 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

You're welcome and we'll now call on our next panel.

The next panel will come forward I will...

00:50:40 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Mr. Chairman, like many industries

in America, the automotive sector confronts dire economic...

00:54:16 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The witnesses will now begin with their opening

statements. We had no further requests for an...

00:54:30 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate

the opportunity to speak with you today about...

00:59:16 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Next, Mr. Robert Nardelli from Chrysler.

00:59:19 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and members of this

Committee. I certainly appreciate the opportunity...

01:04:34 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

And now, Mr. Alan Mulally, of Ford.

01:04:37 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Thank you, Chairman Frank and members of the

Committee. I appreciate the opportunity to be here...

01:09:50 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Mr. Ron Gettelfinger, from the United Auto Workers.

01:09:54 Gettelfinger, RonPresident

Mr. Chairman, on behalf of the men and women

of UAW, thank you for the opportunity to testify...

01:15:36 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Gettelfinger.

Let me just at this point ask unanimous consent to insert into

the...

01:16:30 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Gentlemen, first of all, let me compliment the UAW, the first

time...

01:17:04 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

No, sir. I think it's completely due to the credit

crisis. And I just give you as an example,...

01:17:30 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

In a way of analogy, the Committee, or the

Congress, is sitting as a loan officer in a bank,...

01:18:30 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Congressman, we'd glad. And I think in our various

comments, we've commented on the kind of...

01:18:49 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Then, Mr. Wagoner, then you would be agreeable

that we find some methodology to buy some time...

01:19:13 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I don't believe, Congressman, that we have the

luxury of a lot of time. And if I could --

01:19:19 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Why? Tell me, when are you going to run out of

money?

01:19:21 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I can't tell you that for certain because a lot

depends on whether our suppliers will continue...

01:19:31 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Accounting-wise, you have to tell us if

everybody acted against your best interest, there's...

01:19:41 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yeah. The needs are urgent. If everybody who lent

money to the industry suppliers asked it to...

01:19:53 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

What amount of money would you need to take you

through March 30th?

01:19:59 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We have talked about this 25 billion (dollars)

bridge loan. And while --

01:20:02 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Now, a $25 billion bridge loan is for three auto

companies. I'm asking about General Motors....

01:20:16 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We have talked about an allocation of the 25

billion (dollars) that would be approximately based...

01:20:30 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Maybe I'm dense, Mr. Wagoner. I don't quite

understand what the hell you just told me. Can't...

01:20:44 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Congressman, it's going to depend on what happens

with suppliers and the market.

01:20:48 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

I understand that. Give me your worst-case

scenario.

01:20:54 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Worst-case scenario, the amount of money would be

significant. I mean, we have supplier --

01:20:56 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

What is significant?

01:20:56 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

-- 4 (billion dollars) or $5 billion every month.

01:20:59 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

So what you're telling us is that since you

anticipate borrowing 15 (billion dollars) to $18...

01:21:18 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

The analysis that we've done is based on an

assumption that the U.S. market continues at about...

01:21:40 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman's time has expired. In light of what

the gentleman raised, I am going to now recognize...

01:23:24 Campbell, JohnU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Gentlemen, before I lost my mind and went into politics, I spent

25...

01:25:28 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Okay, I'll start. Thank you, Congressman Campbell.

The things that are being done differently...

01:27:07 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Yes, sir. For us, you mentioned, relative to

the private equity, we did publicly disclose that...

01:28:35 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Mr. Mulally, quickly, if you can. Thank you.

01:28:38 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

I think your question, Congressman, is very, very

important. As you well know, having a clear...

01:30:27 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Mulally.

01:30:28 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

And the best value.

01:30:34 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Commercials can go away. We're in a time problem.

The gentlewoman from California.

01:30:37 Waters, MaxineU.S. Representative

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Again, I thank you for this hearing. It is extremely important

that...

01:34:52 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yes. What we're trying to do, Congresswoman, is

also work on the ability of our finance companies...

01:35:09 Waters, MaxineU.S. Representative

Well, GMAC has a letter here to your dealers that

says, "In response to difficult credit, market...

01:35:47 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We really need the amount of money we're talking

about here for the operating business. But...

01:36:03 Waters, MaxineU.S. Representative

Mr. Nardelli, would you be willing to dedicate $1

billion of this money to help the dealerships.

01:36:11 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Madame, we would be willing and open to any

suggestions from this committee or Congress. But...

01:36:36 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Mr. Nardelli, we've got to be more specific than

that. We don't have time for --

01:36:39 Waters, MaxineU.S. Representative

So he basically agrees.

Mr. Alan Mulally, what do you think, from Ford Motor Company?

Would...

01:36:49 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

I think the question has been put. We really have

to --

01:36:51 Waters, MaxineU.S. Representative

-- or the 26 billion (dollars).

01:36:54 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

-- be on time. Let's have the (answer ?).

01:36:56 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

I think that the actions we've taken with the Fed

to free up the credit is absolutely the right...

01:37:02 Waters, MaxineU.S. Representative

So your answer is yes?

01:37:05 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Pardon me?

01:37:05 Waters, MaxineU.S. Representative

Your answer is yes?

01:37:08 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

I think the actions are in place right now where

the Fed are doing exactly what you are asking...

01:37:13 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentlewoman from West Virginia.

01:37:15 Capito, Shelley MooreU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I want to thank the panelists, too.

I have a question on the...

01:37:37 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Regulations were promulgated recently and I think

all of us now have filed our first applications....

01:38:04 Capito, Shelley MooreU.S. Representative

Well, I think there's been some suggestions that if

we were to take the first 25 billion (dollars)...

01:38:22 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Well, from my side, to be honest, we've been, or at

least from GM's side, we have been clear...

01:38:36 Capito, Shelley MooreU.S. Representative

Yes.

01:38:38 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Yes. I'd like to make a comment on that. You

know, when we did that last year during the 2007...

01:39:36 Capito, Shelley MooreU.S. Representative

So basically, you're both saying the double track

is what's needed here. But let me go to the...

01:39:55 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Well, for Chrysler we did -- we looked at an

assumption of what the balance of the year will...

01:40:23 Capito, Shelley MooreU.S. Representative

And then GM was --

01:40:25 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Performed a similar sort of analysis and came up

with an estimate of 10 (billion dollars) to...

01:40:30 Capito, Shelley MooreU.S. Representative

And then --

01:40:31 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

In Ford, we're in a little different position

because we believe that the actions that we have...

01:41:04 Capito, Shelley MooreU.S. Representative

And the reason I'm keying in on this is because on

the $700 billion bailout figure, there was...

01:42:42 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Ms. Maloney?

01:42:45 Maloney, CarolynU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for

holding this meeting and this important hearing.

It is unacceptable...

01:46:00 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

I think as we said in our testimony bankruptcy

would be devastating. I know from Chrysler's...

01:47:18 Maloney, CarolynU.S. Representative

Yes.

01:47:18 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I would also like to add the point, there'd be a

massive loss of revenue under any scenario....

01:47:54 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Alabama.

01:47:56 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

Thank you. From what I can understand and you

correct me if I'm wrong, there are two problems...

01:48:57 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

It certainly is one of the major problems that

we're facing today as I've stated. Our consumers...

01:49:41 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

Well, let me ask you this then. I'm assuming that

the other two gentleman agree that have --...

01:50:01 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

GMAC has been able to use the commercial paper

backup facility at the Fed recently, that has...

01:50:17 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

And that would help, wouldn't it?

01:50:17 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

That would help tremendously, yes sir.

01:50:19 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

And that's something we can do without legislation.

I'm not suggesting that there won't be legislation...

01:50:27 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

That would help tremendously, yes sir.

01:50:27 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

And that's something we could do without

legislation. I'm not suggesting that there won't be...

01:50:30 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yes sir. And I understand those are at various

stages of review at the Fed.

01:50:30 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

Yeah, I would --

01:50:32 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Would the gentleman -- if the gentleman would yield

for just a second --

01:50:32 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

-- there's some sense of urgency, yeah.

01:50:32 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

I had a colloquy specifically on that point with the

gentleman from Michigan, Mr. Dingell, to...

01:50:42 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

I mean -- you know, I'd be disappointed if that

wasn't a top priority of the Fed today.

Let...

01:51:29 Gettelfinger, RonPresident

Thank you for the question, sir. What we've

been doing is we have continually -- in negotiations....

01:52:53 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

Let me say that --

01:52:53 Gettelfinger, RonPresident

But I might add also that the UAW can't be the

low-hanging fruit, the men and women, the only...

01:53:16 Bachus, SpencerU.S. Representative

And I agree with you. And let me say this, I think

it would be helpful as you sell the public...

01:53:36 Gettelfinger, RonPresident

Thank you for that. And we do try to get that

out to the public. But unfortunately oftentimes...

01:53:48 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Mr. Gettelfinger, there's a lot of that going

around. The gentleman from New York.

01:53:55 Ackerman, GaryU.S. Representative

Thank you Mr. Chairman. There's a

delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into...

01:58:26 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Well, sir, I can tell you what we've done at

Chrysler in the last 18 months. We've installed...

01:59:07 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from North Carolina.

01:59:10 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative

Mr. Chairman, thank you very much.

Gentlemen, thank you for being here -- to your left, I'm...

01:59:23 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Sometimes.

01:59:23 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative

(Chuckles.) Well, I'm somewhat independent -- thank

you, Mr. Chairman. The budget should be...

02:03:14 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

I can just take 30 seconds and share time with --

your point is well taken on the Crossfire....

02:03:56 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I would say the auto business has become somewhat

more global over the years. And, you know,...

02:04:44 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

I'd just like to add that the Ford Motor Company

plan -- we operate, as you know, around the...

02:05:19 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

If the gentleman would yield. I think one of the

(answers ?) did have, however, a real problem...

02:05:42 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative

Mr. Chairman --

02:05:42 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Yeah, Mr. Gettelfinger.

02:05:43 Gettelfinger, RonPresident

I just wanted to thank the representative for

his comments, because the gentlemen to my right...

02:06:14 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative

Mr. Chairman, may I make my statement and then

close, sir?

02:06:18 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Certainly, because I took some of your time.

02:06:20 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative

The Thursday after the Tuesday election at East

Carolina University in Greenville, North Carolina,...

02:07:18 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The other gentleman from North Carolina.

02:07:22 Watt, MelvinU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And let me

start by thanking the chair and the Senate yesterday for...

02:09:50 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

You bet. I think it's a very important

consideration, because, just like we have ended up over...

02:10:14 Watt, MelvinU.S. Representative

Well, overcapacity suggests that a number of them

will go out of business. And my experience...

02:10:44 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Our data says that it isn't associated with how

long they've been in business. It's their fundamental...

02:11:13 Watt, MelvinU.S. Representative

Now, a number of them are also experiencing

challenges with the financial services sector because...

02:11:54 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Sir, this is specifically operating money and, as

we discussed, possibly when you were out of...

02:12:40 Watt, MelvinU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

02:12:40 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Illinois, Mr. Manzullo.

02:12:45 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

Thank you very much. I appreciate

the opportunity that we have this afternoon. Especially welcome...

02:13:40 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Excuse me, if I could just start with that. We've

recently actually just begun a national advertising...

02:14:08 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

Those are local credit unions and local banks?

02:14:08 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yes, yes.

02:14:11 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Sir, we have gone to two major banks. We have

given one of them half of our country, four of...

02:14:47 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Yeah, also I have a loan into the FDIC, an

application in for Industrial Bank which will help...

02:15:08 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

The reason I asked that is you're asking for

taxpayers funds for people to buy cars when, in...

02:15:39 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Yeah. The money will basically be used as a bridge

financing because actually private capital...

02:15:44 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

But where would -- where would it go?

02:15:44 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

-- is not available to us at this time. So --

02:15:47 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

Where would the money go?

02:15:47 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

-- used for us to continue our capital spenditures

on our Ford programs, to continue our product...

02:15:59 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

Alright. The -- I presume it would be the same

answer, it's going for general operating expenses....

02:16:13 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

We've built our -- as we explained earlier, we

built our estimates on the amount of funding...

02:16:31 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

The reason I asked the question is, isn't it

better to give a 3 (thousand dollar) or $4,000...

02:17:05 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Well sir, there's no question -- you know, given

where we are, we're open to any suggestions....

02:17:27 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

The consumer has access to a loan, Mr. Nardelli.

It's the local credit union and the local bank....

02:17:35 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Well then, sir, the -- certainly the increase in

the balance sheet, the reduction in debt to...

02:17:44 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

Well I -- I thank you.

02:17:47 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman has the last comment. Did you have a

last comment you wanted to make at this time?

02:17:52 Manzullo, DonaldU.S. Representative

No I just -- the comment that -- Mr. Chairman,

thank you, you're very generous -- is the fact...

02:18:17 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

I think the statements been made. The gentleman

from California.

02:18:23 Sherman, BradU.S. Representative

It would be insane if this country

stopped designing and building automobiles and trucks. It...

02:22:53 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

We won't have time for everyone to answer, but we'll

get a couple.

02:22:57 Sherman, BradU.S. Representative

Let's hear from General Motors.

02:22:57 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yeah. I think we've all been clear that we're very

willing to do warrants. To be honest, I shareholders...

02:23:17 Sherman, BradU.S. Representative

If I have time, Ford as well.

02:23:22 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Nothing else to add.

02:23:22 Sherman, BradU.S. Representative

So we're talking, roughly, five times the number

of warrants called for in the current draft...

02:23:30 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from New York.

02:23:30 Meeks, GregoryU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I was listening to some of the questions by Mr. Watt, and I'm

trying...

02:25:09 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Maybe I could offer some perspective on it. I

think, generally, people who look at the industry...

02:26:03 Meeks, GregoryU.S. Representative

And encourage mergers. I mean, this is the day and

age of mergers.

02:26:05 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

And we do provide, in some cases, support for that

to be done. But I can assure you, in virtually...

02:26:34 Meeks, GregoryU.S. Representative

Yesterday at the Senate committee hearing, I think I

heard a number of senators reference Honda...

02:27:42 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Sir, if you're familiar with the Harber Report --

and I think Mr. Gettelfinger has it -- the...

02:28:47 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Before I go to the next questioner, let me say --

assuming the indulgence of the witnesses,...

02:29:20 Moore, DennisU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I had a

conversation with an auto dealer in my district back in the...

02:31:44 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

It's just such an important question. And I think

from a lessons learned point of view, being...

02:33:40 Moore, DennisU.S. Representative

And be competitive?

02:33:40 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

And be competitive. And actually -- and like

you've -- like I mentioned this morning, we are...

02:34:20 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentlewoman from New York.

02:34:20 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Thank you.

02:34:24 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Wagoner, clearly the $25 billion assistance package that

Congress...

02:35:15 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Thank you. I think I tried to address the business

restructuring, the cost restructuring, in...

02:35:37 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

So when you mentioned the union side, will that

mean, what, pensions?

02:35:43 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

No, I'm talking about the fact that we have

restructured labor agreements, reduced labor rates...

02:35:49 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

And besides that, what else would you do?

02:35:52 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We are going to continue our focus on new product

launches, and particularly -- and in line...

02:36:22 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

So, sir, what about marketing and advertising?

Will you have an ad at a cost of $3 million per...

02:36:48 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yeah. We have -- we're not going to do Super Bowl

ads this year, frankly, because we're cutting...

02:37:00 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

Okay.

02:37:00 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

And I think it's fair to say every part of our

business, cutting back expenses dramatically,...

02:37:08 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

Thank you.

Mr. Nardelli, I understand that 80.1 percent of Chrysler is owned

by the private...

02:37:20 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Yes. There is a --

02:37:20 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

Okay. So I understand also that -- (inaudible)

-- senior executives at that firm include former...

02:37:34 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Yes.

02:37:34 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

Yeah. Both gentlemen strongly support, or

supported, free market policies in their government...

02:38:03 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Well, as I said in my comments, that Cerberus

Capital Management has made it clear that they...

02:38:19 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

Thank you.

Mr. Mulally, as you know, several Wall Street firms recently

announced that...

02:38:47 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Yes. We've already decided to forego any merit

increases on the base salary and also any bonuses....

02:39:09 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

Okay.

02:39:09 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

-- we're in a very competitive marketplace. But we

have a very -- (inaudible) -- motivated team.

(Cross...

02:39:12 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

But I understand that you made that commitment.

Thank you.

02:39:14 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

You bet.

02:39:14 Velazquez, Nydia M.U.S. Representative

Mr. Nardelli, we have heard you and your peers

express your willingness to improve the fuel...

02:39:40 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

May I answer?

02:39:40 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Yes. You can finish.

02:39:43 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

We did select a single technology. Because of our

financial situation, we could not afford to...

02:40:02 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

(Strikes gavel.) The gentleman from Michigan, Mr.

McCotter, is now recognized by members of...

02:40:08 McCotter, ThaddeusU.S. Representative

I thank the chairman. Thank you

for your indulgence, and I will have an opening statement and...

02:48:36 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

(Strikes gavel.) Now it is to be long enough

without that stuff.

Gentleman from Missouri.

02:48:41 Clay, William Lacy Jr.U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And my

comments are not as passionate as my friend from Michigan, but...

02:50:52 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Sure. Thank you.

I want to be candid to your comment about can we tell you with

absolute...

02:51:38 Clay, William Lacy Jr.U.S. Representative

Excuse me for interrupting, but on the point of the

credit market and in freeing up credit,...

02:51:52 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

What we have -- we talked about this a little bit

earlier, but based on a -- what we think conservative...

02:52:34 Clay, William Lacy Jr.U.S. Representative

Okay. Mr. Nardelli how do we stop the bleeding of

jobs in the industry? How do we save some...

02:52:44 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Well, sir, the first way we need to do that is to

get this economy turned around and to try...

02:53:48 Clay, William Lacy Jr.U.S. Representative

Thank you.

02:53:48 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Delaware is now recognized for a

combined seven minutes for opening statement...

02:53:54 Castle, MichaelU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will try

to just summarize a bit of an opening statement.

I,...

02:59:58 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

We have a minute. Go ahead.

03:00:01 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

I think you really hit on the key parts. And just

two areas I'd like to focus on in response...

03:01:46 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Quickly!

03:01:46 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

With the agreement that we've made the UAW and our

productivity improvements, we can make cars,...

03:01:58 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Thank you.

The gentleman from Massachusetts.

03:02:02 Castle, MichaelU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

03:02:02 Lynch, Stephen F.U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman and ranking member.

I have a little bit of history with the auto industry....

03:05:53 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Well, thank you for the question.

As far as asking the Chinese government. We haven't. To be

honest,...

03:06:40 Lynch, Stephen F.U.S. Representative

Let me ask you: So in -- and I know. I've been to

China. I've seen the Buick Regals selling...

03:06:55 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

In China, basically, almost everything that we sell

in China is made there. We export almost...

03:07:10 Lynch, Stephen F.U.S. Representative

How about Mexico?

03:07:13 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Mexico is integrated completely in our U.S.-

Canadian production system. So we build many cars...

03:07:23 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

We'll have to get the rest in writing, because we're

over the time.

03:07:26 Lynch, Stephen F.U.S. Representative

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

03:07:26 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Michigan, by unanimous consent,

wasn't able to be here for an opening testimony...

03:07:34 Ehlers, Vernon J.U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate

that.

And to save time, I will associate my remarks...

03:09:45 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

I would ask similarly for two minutes for the other

gentleman from Michigan, from Flint, Mr....

03:09:50 Kildee, Dale E.U.S. Representative

I thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I was a cosponsor, back in 1979, of the Chrysler loan guarantee

and...

03:11:39 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Mr. Neugebauer.

03:11:39 Neugebauer, RandyU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I thank the panelists for being here today and I apologize if any

of...

03:16:20 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yeah. I think the way I would respond is the auto

business has taken painful and dramatic moves...

03:18:02 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Sir, I wonder if I could just offer one

thought -- is what makes this different from the examples...

03:18:49 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

I think the only thing I would like to add is that

it's just so important that we're part of...

03:19:00 Neugebauer, RandyU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

03:19:00 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Mr. Miller.

03:19:00 Miller, BradU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Much of the debate today and in the country in the last few weeks

has...

03:21:26 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

My personal view is we have from the GM

shareholders over the years received a number of shareholder...

03:22:29 Miller, BradU.S. Representative

Anyone? Mr. Nardelli?

03:22:29 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Obviously we're in a slightly different position

as being the first privately held auto company...

03:23:17 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Sure. Clearly, as a publicly traded company, our

number one priority is to create value over...

03:23:46 Miller, BradU.S. Representative

Mr. Gettelfinger, you're making common calls of

management today, but many of the labor movement...

03:23:59 Gettelfinger, RonPresident

Well, I think what we do if we look back at

the conclusion of negotiations last year -- and...

03:25:52 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Gentlelady from Illinois.

03:25:52 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Like Mr. Ehlers that just asked a question, for years many of us

in...

03:27:07 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

We have -- we have six or seven cars that are

getting over 28 miles per gallon. Our Caliber...

03:27:50 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

But that's still two years.

Mr. Wagoner?

03:27:54 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We have 20 models that get more than 30 miles per

gallon highway, more than twice any other...

03:28:28 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Mr. Mulally.

03:28:28 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Yes, nothing else to add on the competitiveness.

We have a terrific lineup. And to your question,...

03:28:52 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Then what -- would a bailout loan to your

companies go to your finance or to the operations...

03:29:02 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We're talking about now is support for the

operating side of the business.

03:29:06 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Okay. What percentage of a loan would go towards

financing consumer auto loans, to start moving...

03:29:19 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Right now none of the money that we're asking

for today would go towards loans. We are working...

03:29:47 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Okay. Well I've heard that some of the loans that

are being made are 9 percent loans, but that...

03:30:02 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I think it's fair to say that the consumer -- the

requirements for consumers are much tougher...

03:30:10 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Wouldn't that -- then how are you going to sell

cars?

03:30:14 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Well we're, that's one of the things that's

contributing to the lower industry sales, but as...

03:30:44 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Well, how would you do that? And I mean, if

you're going to take a bailout to make sure that...

03:30:58 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

What we're trying to do is work with other

potential sources of credit; we talked earlier about...

03:31:21 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Just one other quick question. How many of your

dealers are not getting paid? Are they all being...

03:31:30 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

No.

03:31:32 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

They're all being paid on time?

03:31:34 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yes.

03:31:34 Biggert, JudyU.S. Representative

Okay. Thank you.

I yield back.

03:31:40 Scott, DavidU.S. Representative

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

I think that we really at this point need to put this in

perspective....

03:38:35 Kanjorski, Paul E.U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Scott.

Mr. Hensarling, you are allotted seven minutes.

03:38:42 Hensarling, JebU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

My apologies to you, gentlemen; I missed most of your testimony

and...

03:44:34 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I, prior to your being here, commented on that

matter, that we, like all businesses, build our...

03:45:32 Hensarling, JebU.S. Representative

Well, Mr. Wagoner, maybe I missed it, but what

plan have you or are you willing to put on the...

03:45:47 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We have developed a detailed plan, I think, the

nature of it. Traditionally those kind of things...

03:46:07 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from --

03:46:07 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

(We have ?) detailed plans, sir.

03:46:09 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Texas, Mr. Green.

03:46:09 Green, AlU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman, in a metaphorical sense, I rise to speak on behalf

of...

03:50:28 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

I just want to announce, I think 2:30 is a

reasonable time to release them. So I am going to...

03:50:58 Bachmann, Michele M.U.S. Representative

Mr. Chairman, thank you. And

thank -- (audio break) --

03:51:02 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Mr. McHenry for five minutes.

03:51:04 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Most large corporations that would be facing similar situations

that...

03:51:41 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Let me -- excuse me. I can speak for Chrysler.

As you know -- obviously...

03:52:06 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

That's not my question. So you do have plans,

yes?

03:52:09 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

I would say that we have gone through and have

outside advisors to help us think through the...

03:52:22 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

All right. Mr. Wagoner.

03:52:24 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Because of our studies on the ramifications of

bankruptcies on consumers we have concluded that...

03:52:39 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

So you have no plans for how you go through that

process -- either Chapter 7 or Chapter 11,...

03:52:47 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

It is my view, based on the research that I've done

and our experts have done, that Chapter...

03:52:58 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

So therefore, you have studied it?

03:53:01 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We have -- our experts have knowledge in this area,

yes, sir.

03:53:05 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

Okay. Mr. Mulally.

03:53:08 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Yes, we have studied that option. We believe it's

not a viable option. So we have no plans for...

03:53:16 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

A far more positive comment from you. But -- so

as a potential vote on whether or not to lend...

03:54:27 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I think you're significantly misinterpreting what I

said --

03:54:29 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

Well you said you have plans for Chapter 7 --

03:54:32 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Let me be clear, I did not say that, in fact. I

said that my expectation was, based on independent...

03:55:18 McHenry, PatrickU.S. Representative

Okay, reclaiming my time, I would submit to you

that there are many industries in America that...

03:56:35 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Missouri.

03:56:35 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have

six questions, I think we can get through them if you cooperate...

03:56:58 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

From our standpoint, as I said earlier, we looked

at the balance of this year. We looked at...

03:57:12 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

Okay, thank you. So are we going to divide three

into 25 (billion dollars)?

03:57:17 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

No we are asking for 7 billion (dollars).

03:57:21 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

So we're going to do --

03:57:25 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Chrysler.

03:57:25 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

No, no, Chrysler, General Motors, Ford -- 7

billion (dollars) a piece that's 21 (billion dollars).

03:57:35 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

No sir, we're asking -- Chrysler is asking for 7

billion (dollars).

03:57:39 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

Okay what is General Motors --

03:57:39 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We had indicated against the suggested package of

25 (billion dollars) that proportionate to...

03:57:46 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

Ford? Sir?

03:57:50 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

It would be the rest based on the market share

calculation.

03:57:54 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

(Laughs.) This is a -- I mean we're just spending

$25 billion loosely. I mean this is loosey-goosey...

03:59:14 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I can speak in the case of GM that it's an

inaccurate, completely inaccurate conclusion.

03:59:18 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

I can say not in -- relative to his comments

Chrysler, I think, has made pretty public that...

03:59:51 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

His summary was very accurate. We went to the

markets early and aggressively to be able to fund...

04:00:17 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

Okay. GMAC receives a part of this money although

they are a non-depository institution -- I...

04:01:10 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Just to be clear, we own 49 percent GMAC so don't

have control at this point.

04:01:15 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

Okay. But you ought to be really angry with them

or some -- I mean, whether you control it or...

04:01:22 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yeah, the issue is they have just as we have been

significantly unable to raise credit. The...

04:02:06 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentlewoman from Minnesota is recognized for

seven minutes, combining an opening statement.

04:02:12 Bachmann, Michele M.U.S. Representative

Mr. Chairman, thank you. Once again our

committee has convened to hear the pleas of yet one...

04:09:03 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

There's seven seconds left for the response.

04:09:06 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Many other countries are discussing with their

automakers funding support -- would be the first...

04:09:55 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Colorado.

04:09:55 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Thanks, Mr. Chair. And gentlemen

thank you for your time today. You've had a lot of questions,...

04:11:23 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Third quarter of 2007 I don't remember the specific

quarters but I believe that's the quarter...

04:11:32 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Okay what about the third quarter of this year?

04:11:34 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We also recorded a loss.

04:11:37 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

How big?

04:11:37 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

The total was, as I recall, about $2.9 billion net-

net.

04:11:42 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Okay, what's your forecast for this fourth

quarter?

04:11:44 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We don't provide financial guidance in earnings.

04:11:49 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

I mean, this is an interesting way to negotiate

a loan, wouldn't you say? I mean -- you're asking...

04:12:10 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I would say it looks like at this point industry

sales are running about the same level.

04:12:17 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

So still down steeply -- 50 percent or -- ?

04:12:17 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Well ours aren't' down quite as much. We had a

strong prior September so we had a little weaker...

04:12:39 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Mr. Nardelli, what was your quarter like this

past third quarter?

04:12:47 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

We lost money in the third quarter.

04:12:50 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

How much?

04:12:50 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

We burned about three billion dollars in cash.

04:12:53 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

What's your break even on a monthly basis?

04:12:56 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

On a monthly basis relative to --

04:13:00 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

What are your operating expenses? How much do

you got to do to pay your salaries, no bonuses,...

04:13:07 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

We have about a 4 (billion dollar) to $5 billion

obligation.

04:13:11 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

So 4 (billion dollars) to 5 (billion

dollars)per month.

04:13:11 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Yes, sir.

04:13:11 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

And Mr. Wagoner, I meant to ask you that.

04:13:20 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Well our total expenses in let's say North America

maybe in a normal industry would run around...

04:13:36 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

And Mr. Malally, how'd you do last quarter?

04:13:39 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

We lost ($)4 billion.

04:13:42 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Okay. And what's your monthly net?

04:13:46 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

In the third quarter we had a run rate of seven

point seven, but we think that going forward,...

04:14:01 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Okay. I think somebody mentioned and it may

have been you, Mr. Wagoner, that taking a conservative...

04:14:17 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

That was an industry forecast, U.S. industry

forecast, light vehicles, yes.

04:14:22 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Okay.

04:14:22 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Hope it's better than that but --

04:14:25 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Okay. Because what I saw or at least as of

October the annualized rate was like 10 million something...

04:14:34 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

It was 10.8 in October, right, which is

significantly the worst month of the year but obviously...

04:14:44 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

If there were a bankruptcy, and this goes to

you, Mr. Gettelfinger, one of the things I've been...

04:15:13 Gettelfinger, RonPresident

I think if there's a Chapter 11, first of all

one of the companies it will drag at least one...

04:16:01 Perlmutter, EdU.S. Representative

Thank you.

04:16:04 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Illinois.

04:16:04 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

04:16:06 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

Five minutes.

04:16:06 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Can you tell me gentlemen the three of you what the

terms of the loan are that you're suggesting?...

04:16:24 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

We had talked about an interest bearing loan, five

percent for the first four years I think...

04:16:44 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Thank you.

What is it that animates the hope in you that sales are going to

be robust...

04:16:55 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Well I think things are difficult today. It is the

lowest level that the industry has run in...

04:17:55 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Okay. I get it. So you're assuming that we're

essentially at the bottom of that, that there...

04:17:58 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Yeah. We expect to stay there for awhile but yes.

We're taking I think within Chrysler a more...

04:18:35 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

You know one of the things that you essentially the

three of you open yourselves up to is incredible...

04:19:45 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yeah, I'm willing to continue to do what I've been

doing. I've had no cash bonuses three of...

04:20:04 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Okay. Are you willing to go the other 50 down to a

dollar?

04:20:07 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I don't have a position on that today.

04:20:10 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Okay. Mr. Mulally?

04:20:15 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

We have eliminated all of our bonuses also and also

any salary increases. We think that's absolutely...

04:20:29 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Okay. Are you willing to go down to the dollar?

04:20:32 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

I think it's, I understand your point about the

symbol and clearly the intent of what you're...

04:20:55 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Okay. And just so I'm clear, I'm not asking about

the team, I'm just asking about you.

04:20:58 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Understand.

04:21:00 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

And the answer's no?

04:21:03 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

I think I'm okay where I am.

04:21:06 Roskam, PeterU.S. Representative

Okay. And Mr. -- time's up? Okay. Thank you.

04:21:10 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Indiana. We have three more,

gentlemen.

04:21:13 Donnelly, Joseph "Joe"U.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Sometimes the toughest time to see that there's headway being

made...

04:24:16 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Yes, sir.

04:24:18 Donnelly, Joseph "Joe"U.S. Representative

If you use that now for the operational purposes, if we

gave authority to do that, the things...

04:24:31 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Well, the legislation as written for 136

doesn't permit that --

04:24:35 Donnelly, Joseph "Joe"U.S. Representative

Well, that's what I'm saying. If an adjustment was

made, is that the kind of thing that could...

04:24:43 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

I think it could work, yes.

04:24:43 Donnelly, Joseph "Joe"U.S. Representative

Okay.

04:24:45 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

A lot of the spending that we'll do under 136,

we're sort of starting right now. So it's not...

04:24:59 Donnelly, Joseph "Joe"U.S. Representative

Okay. And then the next thing is, in my district -- and

we're really proud to make Chrysler...

04:25:30 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

Well, I can tell you what we've said, when we

had a chance to talk to the speaker and her leadership...

04:26:13 Donnelly, Joseph "Joe"U.S. Representative

Mr. Nardelli?

04:26:13 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

Yes, sir. I would say that the 25 billion

(dollars) that we're asking for is to meet the immediacy...

04:26:54 Donnelly, Joseph "Joe"U.S. Representative

But as of right now, your plans are to move forward as

individual companies and achieve success...

04:27:01 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

We are doing everything humanly possible to

survive this current period.

04:27:07 Cleaver, EmanuelU.S. Representative

Thank you.

Ms. Speier, you have five minutes.

04:27:11 Speier, JackieU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I want to thank you all for being here and for weathering a

almost...

04:30:00 Wagoner, G. "Rick" Richard Jr.Chairman and CEO

To be clear, you're talking about the -- moving the

2020 standards to 2015? Yeah. I -- to be...

04:30:29 Speier, JackieU.S. Representative

Mr. Nardelli?

04:30:32 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

I would say, in a similar fashion, the only thing

that would allow us to advance those is a...

04:31:25 Speier, JackieU.S. Representative

I understand that. What I'm saying to you is if we

linked the 2015 date to this bailout, would...

04:31:38 Nardelli, Robert L.Chairman and CEO

I really don't know that -- again, sitting here

today, I can tell you we are open. We'll look...

04:31:52 Speier, JackieU.S. Representative

Thank you.

Mr. Mulally?

04:31:52 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Well, as a technologist, I'd like to offer you a

thought on that. I thought that what we did...

04:32:25 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The gentleman from Massachusetts will be the final

questioner.

04:32:28 Capuano, MichaelU.S. Representative

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Gentlemen, thank you for doing this, but I figure for three and a

half...

04:36:32 Mulally, AlanPresident and CEO

Well -- (chuckles) -- I personally -- I couldn't be

more aligned with you. I've dedicated my...

04:38:37 Frank, BarneyU.S. Representative

The hearing is ready to move on to the next phase.

The witnesses are excused, and we will call...

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