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GOOD MORNING. THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. WE FACE A FEW ISSUES MORE DIFFICULT, COMPLEX, MORE... |
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IF LAST MONTH IT COULD BE POSTED A A BOOK-OF-THE-MONTH CLUB, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE HOSTING... |
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I AM NOW PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE A DISTINGUISHED MEMBER OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THE HON. ROBERT WEXLER... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHARMETTES. IS THIS FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN OPENING STATEMENT? |
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YES, SIR. |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPLAUD YOUR TENACITY AND COURAGE IN CALLING FOR THIS HEARING. FOR THE PAST... |
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YOU'RE WELCOME. I HAVE BEEN PROVIDED -- I HAVE BEEN REMINDED BY A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE THAT THERE... |
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IF GOVERNMENT IS TO WORK WITH THE THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE TO ADD IS THAT THE EXECUTIVE... |
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I AM NOW PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE STEVE KING GOT THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM OF IOWA WHO IS THE RANKING... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD NOTICE IN YOUR OPENING REMARKS THAT YOU USE THE PHRASE POWER TO REMOVE.... |
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DOES THE GENTLEMAN WISH TO INTRODUCE IT IN THE RECORD? |
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I DO. MY STAFF AS THE OTHER WAY. THAT IS -- MY STAFF HAS IT ON THE WAY. THAT IS SOME OF THE FREDERICK... |
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN AND WOULD REMIND HIM THAT WE ARE GATHERED HERE TODAY, THIS MORNING, BUT A HEARING... |
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THANK YOU FOR CONVENING THIS IMPORTANT HEARING. IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, I REQUESTED THAT THIS COMMITTEE... |
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I AM PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, WHO WAS NOT ONLY THAT A CONGRESSMAN, BUT... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A DEEP RESPECT FOR YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER... |
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THE CHAIR IS PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE NOW THE CHAIR OF THE CONSTITUTION COMMITTEE AND THE JUDICIARY, THE... |
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I'VE HEARD SOME MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SAYING THAT THESE HEARINGS ARE ALWAYS A TIME OR... |
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THE CHAIR WILL THE TO RECOGNIZE THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM INDIANA, MIKE PENCE, WHO SERVES ON... |
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IN THAT THIS HEARING IS ENTITLED EXECUTIVE POWER AND ITS CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS. I ACCEPT THE... |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THAT THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLE LADY FROM TEXAS, A SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR ON HOMELAND... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YIELDING AND LET ME THANK THIS COMMITTEE FOR ACCEPTING THE INSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY... |
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INSTITUTIONAL ADMINISTRATION TO IN ESSENCE CONTRAVENE INTERNATIONAL LAW AND THEN -- AND THEREBY CONTRAVENED... |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM ARIZONA, TRENT FRANKS WHO IS THE RANKING MEMBER... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE TITLE OF THIS HEARING IS "EXECUTIVE POWER IN ITS CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS."... |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE. HE SERVED WITH THE DISTINCTION ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE... |
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THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. -- MR. CHAIRMAN. I AM VERY PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE IN APPRECIATE... |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, HANK JOHNSON. HE SERVED WITH GREAT DISTINCTION ON... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE AND KEEP -- HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, AN ATTORNEY,... |
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I AM INCLINED TO REMIND EVERYONE IN THE HEARING ROOM BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF RESPECTING OUR PROCEEDINGS,... |
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THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN CONYERS. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO SUBMIT MY FALL TESTIMONY. THE NEXT PRESIDENT... |
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KEITH ELLISON IS NOT ONLY A FORMER STATE LEGISLATOR FOR MINNESOTA, BUT HE HAS BEEN A TRIAL LAWYER... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR THIS HEARING. I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY VERY MUCH. I HAVE BEEN WAITING... |
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THANK YOU. THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT HAVE ASKED TO COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TODAY ARE THE GENTLEMAN... |
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MAY I PROCEED, MR. CHAIRMAN? I WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY AND I WANT... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. |
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THE PRIMARY JUSTIFICATION FOR GOING TO WAR OUTLINED IN THE LEGISLATION THAT THE WHITE HOUSE SENT TO... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. |
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THEIR BILLS THAT ARE NOW AWAITING CONSIDERATION BY THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. I AM CONFIDENT THAT THE... |
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OUR NEXT MEMBER OF CONGRESS TO TESTIFY IS OUR DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUE WHO SERVES AS A MEMBER OF BOTH... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY -- THIS HAS BEEN A VERY EXTRAORDINARILY... |
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CONGRESSMAN BRAD MILLER IS KNOWN FOR HIS WORK ON FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE. IN ADDITION, HE IS... |
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CHAIRMAN CONYERS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THINKING FOR THE INVITATION -- THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION... |
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ALONG SERVING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SERVES ON THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE, THE FINANCIAL... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THIS COMMITTEE FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING.... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. |
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IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE PRESERVE THE DIVISION OF POWER IN OUR GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF... |
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I THINK YOU AND ALL OF OUR CONGRESSIONAL COLLEAGUES WHO CONSTITUTE THE FIRST PANEL. WE WILL NOW INVITE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE -- FOR ME, IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.... |
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TWO OF THE LAWS GIVING FEDERAL CRIME WHEN A DEATH OCCURS IN THE COMMISSION OF THAT CRIME WHICH, MEANS... |
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THE WITNESSES TIME HAS EXPIRED. THANK YOU TO THE CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE... |
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FORMER CONGRESSMAN BOB BARR CAME FROM GEORGIA, REPRESENTED HIS STATE FROM 1995-2003. HE WAS A SENIOR... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT IS ALWAYS GREAT TO COME HOME TO THIS GREAT INSTITUTION, THE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I NOTED THAT OUR FORMER COLLEAGUE TO YOUR RIGHT WAS NODDING HER HEAD ON OCCASION.... |
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THANK YOU. I AM HONORED TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY AND ALONG WITH MILLIONS OF OTHERS, I AM PLEASED THAT... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED. |
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THE WAY TO GET THERE IS AN APPOINTMENT OF A SELECT COMMITTEE, OR AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION, CHARGED... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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STEPHEN PRESSER IS NORRISA PROFESSOR OF LEGAL HISTORY. HE HAS BEEN BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AT LEAST... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPEAR HERE IN LATE 1998 TO GIVE MY VIEWS ON WHAT CONSTITUTED AN IMPEACHABLE... |
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BRUCE IS A LONG SERVING MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, WHERE HE SERVED AS ASSOCIATE DEPUTY ATTORNEY... |
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THANK YOU. I'M PREPARING MY TESTIMONY, I HAVE INDULGED THE ASSUMPTION THAT I WAS LIVING UNDER A REPUBLICAN... |
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THE TIME IS EXPIRED. |
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LET ME JUST CONCLUDE WITH DEFERENCE TO CONGRESSMAN KING -- I THINK THIS EXPLAINS THE DILEMMA WE CONFRONT... |
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WE ARE PLEASED TO WELCOME VINCENT, WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF SEVERAL TIMELY BOOKS. I THINK THIS IS HIS... |
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I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE RULES OF THIS HOUSE DICTATE THAT ALTHOUGH I CAN'T QUOTE WHAT PRESIDENT BUSH... |
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I'M SORRY. I HAVE TO INTERRUPT. I WILL ASK THE CHAIRMAN TO MAKE A COMMENT, ARE CLEAR THE RECORD. ... |
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I'M NOT GOING TO CLEAR THE ROOM. I WOULD ASK THE GUESTS AT THE HEARING TO NOT GIVE ANY INDICATION... |
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DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION'S WAR, THERE ARE WELL OVER 100,000 PRECIOUS HUMAN BEINGS IN... |
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IRON NEXT WITNESS -- OUR NEXT WITNESS IS -- NO. EXCUSE ME. OUR NEXT WITNESS IS A PROFESSOR AT GEORGE... |
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THANK YOU. I SEE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY ANGRY AT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. I'M NOT HERE TO DEFEND... |
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WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WELCOMING FREDERICKS TORCH SCHWARTZ, SENIOR COUNSEL AT THE BRENNAN CENTER... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE CHURCH COMMITTEE, WHICH SEVERAL OTHER OF... |
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ELLIOTT ADAMS, NATIONAL PRESIDENT OF VETERANS FOR PEACE, WHICH I AM A PROUD MEMBER. MR. ADAMS HAS... |
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THANK YOU. BY LEADING THE -- BEN FRANKLIN WAS ASKED -- WHAT HAVE WE, A REPUBLICAN OR A MONARCHY. ... |
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I THANK YOU, ALL. I'M GOING TO ASK EACH ONE OF YOU TO MAKE A BRIEF OPERATION OBSERVATION ABOUT WHAT... |
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I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHO WANT MORE DEPTH, I RECOMMEND MY BOOK "THE IMPEACHMENT... |
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CONGRESSMAN BOB BARR. |
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TO ONE. MANY YEARS AGO, SOME OF US OLDER FOLKS RECALL WE HAD A NUCLEAR CLOCK THAT WOULD COUNT DOWN... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED INTO THE RECORD. |
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EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT AS THE GERMAN CORRECTLY POINTS OUT, AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY -- THE CHAIRMAN... |
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MERETSKI ANDERSON. |
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THANK YOU -- MAYOR ANDERSON. |
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THANK YOU. THE REPRESENTATIVE AND PROFESSOR MADE A COMMENT UPON WHICH ALL OF THE REST OF THE FOLLOWING... |
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PROFESSED THIRD -- PROFESSOR. |
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I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF. I AM GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE CONDUCTING THESE HEARINGS. SOCRATES SAID THE AND... |
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CHAIRMAN BRUCE FEIN. |
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YOU HAVE DELEGATED ME, BUT THERE'S NO ELECTION. |
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BUT IT IS YOUR ORGANIZATION. |
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THIS SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT THE MISCONCEPTION THAT THE UNITED STATES, EXECUTIVE POWER CONSTITUTIONAL... |
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I DO NOT HAVE A TIME CARD TO HOLD UP. I AM SORRY. ATTORNEY. |
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YES, SIR. TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I BELIEVE MR. PRESSER SAID, HE APPARENTLY FEELS THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON,... |
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PROFESSOR, OK NOW. WELL, THERE ARE MEMBERS URGING ME TO JAMHOUR ACTION AND MERELY REMINDING -- URGING... |
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I WAS NOT REMOVED BY HAVING OTHER PEOPLE REPEAT EMOTIONAL STATEMENTS WITH MORE EMOTION. I AM NOT SELLING... |
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THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT THE PROFESSOR USED FULLY CALLED OUR ATTENTION TO HISTORY, BUT I WOULD... |
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PRESIDENT OF VETERANS FOR PEACE, ELLIOT ADAMS. |
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I WILL FOLLOW THE MODEL OF YEAR. I HAVE NOT WRITTEN MY BOOK YET. [LAUGHTER] |
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I CAN HARDLY WAIT. [LAUGHTER] |
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I THINK ALL OF THE WITNESSES. YOU HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY COOPERATIVE. WE WILL ACCEPT INTO THE RECORD... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE WITNESSES HAVE BEEN UNUSUALLY COOPERATIVE AND UNUSUALLY VALUABLE. HAVE... |
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THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I SUPPOSE IT IS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO RELITIGATE THE CLINTON AND PITCHMAN... |
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I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. HAVE YOU HEARD ANY CREDIBLE ALLEGATION TODAY THAT YOU THINK ANNOUNCED... |
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NO, A FEW MINUTES AGO YOU SAID YOU FELT THE REAL PROBLEM WAS JUST A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, DIFFERENCES... |
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THAT IS MY VIEW. I THINK THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE WAS PROBABLY FROM THE... |
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RAPKIN, YOU HAVE -- PROFESSOR RAPKIN, YOU HAVE REGRETTED THE TONE OF THIS SUBJECT. IF YOU LOOK BENEATH... |
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LET ME START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION. IS THERE SOMETHING IMPEACHABLE? IF PEOPLE BELIEVED THAT THE... |
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ONE LAST QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT TO BOTH PROFESSORS. IF WE WERE TO USE THE CHARGES THAT WE... |
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I AM PROBABLY GOING TO BE BRIEFER THAN YOU LIKE. I WOULD HAVE JUDGE FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT TO THE LIST... |
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THANK YOU. |
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AND GIVE THREE EXAMPLES THAT ARE WORTH REMINDING OURSELVES ABOUT. THE SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR, PRESIDENT... |
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TO PUT THE VIETNAM WAR ERA. |
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THERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WITH PRESIDENT JOHNSON. I AM NOT ACCUSING HIM OF DELIBERATELY DECEIVING THE... |
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THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU. |
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JERRY HAGLER. |
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THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS. FIRST, -- , HADLER. |
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IMPEACHMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO IT PERSONAL BENEFIT, NOTHING TO DO IT MOTIVES OF GOOD FAITH. THAT IS... |
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THAT IS CORRECT. |
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IS EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE DOES NOT APPLY. MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, IS THAT CONGRESS... |
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SIMPLE, YOU DO WHAT WAS DONE IN THE NIXON INQUIRY. YOU VOTE ON AN ARTICLE SAYING IT IS AN IMPEACHABLE... |
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IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULD NOT -- WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEY COULD HAVE THE SAME FAR REACHING CLAIM... |
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BEEN THERE OUT OF OFFICE. |
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OF THE INQUIRY DOES NOT CARRY THE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE PROBLEM. |
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IT WORKED WITH NIXON. |
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THAT WOULD LOOK -- THAT WOULD WORK WITH A LOT OF OTHER CRIMES. I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION. PROFESSOR... |
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YOU CANNOT AFFECT THE PARDON POWER WHICH IS ONE -- |
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AS SUCH SHOULD WE LOOK AT A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. |
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IT IS EXCLUSIVELY ON THE HANDS OF THE PRESIDENT. |
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SHOULD WE LOOK AT A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT? |
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SHOULD WE LOOK FOR JUSTIFICATION OF BEING ABUSED, THAT IS FAIR TO LOOK AT. |
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CONGRESSMEN, I THINK THERE IS A STEP TOWARD PROCEDURE THAT WOULD DETER ABUSES OF THE PARDON POWER.... |
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AND DO YOU THINK THAT SUCH A -- LET ME ASK MR. SCHWARTZ, WOULD A BILL, NOT AN AMENDMENT, BUT A BILL... |
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AL-LIBY AND LITIGABLE MATTER, I WOULD THINK. |
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THE AUTHORITY -- IT WOULD BE A POLITICAL MATTER. |
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IT IS THE NECESSARY AND PROPER CAUSE. IT'S AS CONGRESS HAS AUTHORITY TO ENACT ALL LAWS NECESSARY AND... |
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I THINK THAT GOES TOO FAR. YOU'RE ELIMINATING THE PRESIDENT'S DISCRETION TO EXERCISE THE PARDON AT... |
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MAY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION? |
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TO ONE. ZOELLICK AS THE FORMER CONGRESSMEN -- OBVIOUSLY, -- THANK YOU. A BLACK TO ASK THE FORMER... |
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THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN, FOR THE IMPORTANT QUESTION. I THINK THE REASON THAT THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS... |
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STEVE KING. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE THE NON-PARTISAN REMARKS FROM THE GENTLE LADY, FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN,... |
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WHAT IS IT ABOUT? |
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THIS IS A DEBRIEF DOCUMENT THAT WAS FORMERLY SECRET DOCUMENT OF THE CIA'S THE BRIEFING OF AMBASSADOR... |
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THANK YOU. THIS DOCUMENT SAYS WITHIN THAT THE DEBRIEFING OF FORMER AMBASSADOR WILSON UPON HIS RETURN... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. CHRISTINE WEBB. THE HEADLINE, IRAQI URANIUM TRANSFERRED TO CANADA.... |
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I AM RELUCTANT TO CONSIDER THIS DOCUMENT, BUT I WILL INTRODUCE IT INTO THE RECORD, OF COURSE. |
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OUT OF DEFERENCE TO THE CHAIRMAN'S, LET ME SAY, GENTILE NATURE, I WOULD SIMPLY CONCLUDE AND I YIELD... |
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BOBBY SCOTT. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT IS INTERESTING TO THE NAME OF THE HEARING IS EXECUTIVE POWER IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL... |
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WHEN PRESIDENT NIXON WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR AND THERE WAS A CONCURRENT... |
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IF I COULD WITH THE INDULGENCE TO RESPOND BRIEFLY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CONGRESS CAN DO... |
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CONGRESSMEN, YOU ASKED A VERY BORING QUESTION. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MR. FIEN. CONGRESS CAN PASS... |
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THANK YOU. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, OVER HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO ELABORATE. RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, SIR. I MAKE IT VERY CLEAR... |
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WHEN HE LEAVES OFFICE, JANUARY 20, 2009, YOU CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. I'VE NEVER SUGGESTED THAT... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED BYMY DISMAY AT THE FOCUS OF THIS HEARING. BUT LET ME JUST START... |
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I WOULD NOT CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT ON WHAT IS OR IS NOT IMPEACHABLE. BUT I REMEMBER THIS, THAT WHEN... |
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FOR THE QUESTION WAS RHETORICAL. I SUGGESTED THAT WE ARE GOING AFTER THIS PRESENT -- THIS PRESIDENT... |
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THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE TACTICS THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN THE NAME OF DEFENDING THE COUNTRY ACTUALLY... |
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I ASK THAT WE PROCEED WITH REGULAR ORDER INSTEAD OF ALLOWING WITNESSES TO DICTATE THE PROCEDURE. ... |
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DOES MR. FRANKS HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO MR. SCHWARTZ MAKING THIS STATEMENT? |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO NOT HAVE ANY REAL OBJECTION, BUT IT DOES NOT ILLEGAL TO MY QUESTION IN ANY WAY.... |
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IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE OBJECTION. [LAUGHTER] |
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IF IT IS ALL RIGHT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND YIELD BACK. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IN RESPONSE TO MR. FRANKS' COMMENTS IS WHAT... |
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MAYBE THE GENTLEMEN SHOULD YIELD TO MR. SCHWARZ. |
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I WAS NOT TRYING TO PURSUE THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT WHERE I WAS GOING. I JUST HAPPENED TO BE THE... |
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PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY? I WOULD JUST ASK THE CHAIRMAN IF YOU HAVE A PREDICTED TIME ON WHEN HE WOULD... |
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WELL, AS SOON AS WE FINISH HAVING ALL THE MEMBERS MAKE THEIR INQUIRY. AND NOT A MINUTE LATER. I YIELD... |
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I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE DEFINITIVE RESPONSE AND I WILL HELP YOU PROCEED ACCORDINGLY. |
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MIKE PENCE. LOUISE GOHMERT -- LOUIE G OHMERT. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M SURPRISED BY ALFRED PEOPLE -- HOW THREE PEOPLE FEEL BEFORE CONGRESS.... |
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ZOE LOFGREN. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS BEEN A HELPFUL HEARING. SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE,... |
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IF THERE IS SUCH A GREAT, I BELIEVE THAT THE NEXT CONGRESS -- IF THERE IS SUCH AN INQUIRY, I BELIEVE... |
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HAVING SOME EXPERTS AND FORMER ACKNOWLEDGED PEOPLE SO THAT IT IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE. |
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THAT IS WHAT I RECOMMEND, ACTUALLY, THAT IT BE SOMETHING LIKE THE 9/11 COMMISSION, WHERE THE PRESIDENT... |
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THAT WE ASK CONGRESSMAN BARR, AND IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, LET US SAY THAT THROUGH HARD GETTING... |
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WELL, IT IS HARD TO KNOW WHERE TO START. WE HAVE TOUCHED ON EVERY SINGLE AREA THAT POLICIES OF THE... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I TAKE MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. |
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DAN LUNGREN. |
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I APPRECIATE YOUR REFERENCE TO CHUCK WIGGINS. ALTHOUGH WHEN YOU REFER TO HIM AS AN HONEST CONSERVATIVE,... |
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I ALWAYS RESPECTED HIM. |
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WHAT WITH PROSECUTORS LIKE FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN HOLTZMAN AND IT SAID BUGLIOSI, I APPRECIATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS... |
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IT IS DIFFICULT TO ADD MUCH TO WHAT HE SAID THAT HE LAID OUT THE PROBLEM VERY NICELY. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS ABOUT THE FIFTH TIME WE'VE HAD A REACTION. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TO... |
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WELL, I WILL INSTRUCT THE STAFF AND THE OFFICERS TO ASK ANYONE WITH SUCH SIGNS TO EITHER REMOVE THEM... |
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THAT THAT IS AN OUTRAGE. |
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THANK YOU. |
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I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN. IT IS MY RIGHT. [UNINTELLIGIBLE] |
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THAT IS YOU. |
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THAT IS YOU. |
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OUR KIDS WHO DIED IN IRAQ -- IS OUR CONSTITUTION. |
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WILL EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO LEAVE THAT LEAVE? EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO LEAVE IS EXCUSED. LET US LEAVE.... |
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DON'T DO THAT. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE CANNOT MAINTAIN ORDER, YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BE SAYS THE HEARING. IF IT... |
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COULD MR. PRESSER NOW ANSWER? COULD MR. PRESSER NOW ANSWER, MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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IMPEACHMENT IS A REMEDY THAT IS -- IT IS ON -- IMPEACHMENT IS THE REMEDY THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE... |
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MR. RABKIN? |
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I AM GOING TO SAY SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY. BUT IF PEOPLE ARE DETERMINED... |
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SHEILA JACKSON LEE. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH THE WORDS OF MY COLLEAGUE FROM BELTWAY. THIS... |
| 04:32:14 |
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YES. JAMES PATTESON SAID THAT PEOPLE WHO NEEDED TO GOVERN THEMSELVES MUST -- JAMES MADISON SAID THAT... |
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ANY OF THAT COULD BE TREASON UP TO THE EXTENT THAT TO UNDERMINE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT.... |
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OF COURSE. SUPPOSE THERE IS CONFLICTING INFORMATION AS TO WHETHER IRAQ HAS A NUCLEAR WEAPON. ALL... |
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MAYBE MR. BUGLIOSI, WHO HAS COMMENTED ON THIS, COULD ADD TO THE BRIM WORK -- COULD ADD TO THE FRAMEWORK.... |
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I WANT TO BURST ON THE WHOLE ISSUE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT CONGRESS MEANT -- CONGRESSMEN... |
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YOU MAY CONTINUE. |
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BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I AM NOT SAYING IN THIS BOOK THAT HE LIED ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. ACTUALLY,... |
| 04:37:57 |
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WERE THOSE PRESENTED AT THE U.N.? WERE THOSE DESCENT -- DISSENTS PRESENTED THERE? |
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KNOW. AND THEY DO NOT APPEAR IN THIS WHITE PAPER THAT YOU FOLKS WERE GIVEN. THERE ARE THE LIES ABOUT... |
| 04:38:49 |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS LONG AGO EXPIRED. THE TENANT IS TALKING ABOUT CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. --... |
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AND GENTLEMEN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. |
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LET US HAVE ORDER. THE GENTLE LADY ASKED A QUESTION, AND AFTER IT IS RESPONDED TO COME THE TIME WILL... |
| 04:39:17 |
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THIS DOCUMENT HAS BEEN DECLASSIFIED. THIS WAS IT ON A CLASSIFIED VERSION. -- WAS AN UNCLASSIFIED... |
| 04:40:53 |
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THE MAN IS REPEATING ITSELF AND THE GENTLE LADY'S TIME IS LONG EXPIRED. |
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MIKE PENCE. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU TO OUR PANEL OF WITNESSES. I WANT TO ADDRESS MY QUESTIONS ... |
| 04:41:52 |
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31 YEARS. |
| 04:41:56 |
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ARE YOU THE SAME STEPHEN PRESSER WAS CO-AUTHORED ONE OF THE SEMINAL CASE BOOK ON CONSTITUTIONAL LAW?... |
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YES. |
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WHAT IS THE TITLE OF THAT BOOK? |
| 04:42:14 |
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IT IS CALLED "LAW AND JURISPRUDENCE IN AMERICAN HISTORY." I CO-AUTHORED IT WITH OF FELLOW WAS THEN... |
| 04:42:27 |
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I'M A HOOSIER, BUT I THINK NORTH WESTERN IS A PRETTY GOOD SCHOOL. IT SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY CREDIBLE... |
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YES, SEVERAL OTHERS. |
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I MIGHT TAKE THE TIME TO WELCOME YOU BACK. 10 YEARS AGO YOU TESTIFIED ON ANOTHER HEARING ON THE SUBJECT... |
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THINK THAT IS ENTIRELY ACCURATE. |
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I GOT A PASSING GRADE ON THAT. THE OTHER ONE IS THIS OTHER BUSINESS IS -- AND I SAID A LITTLE BIT... |
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NO, SIR. |
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THE BRIEFEST LAW SCHOOL PROFESSOR I HAVE EVER MET IN MY LIFE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ... |
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THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, FOR HOLDING THIS IMPORTANT HEARING. I WANT TO BEGIN BY TAKING UP WHERE MY GOOD... |
| 04:53:03 |
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IT IS CLEARLY A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE, NOT JUST A MATTER OF POLICY. IT GOES RIGHT TO THE CORE OF OUR... |
| 04:55:14 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF YOU INCLUDE WHAT ATTORNEY-GENERAL MUKASEY HAS COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND... |
| 04:55:29 |
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THAT BY ITSELF IN MY JUDGMENT IS A CLEAR IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. THE FOUNDING FATHERS UNDERSTOOD THE... |
| 04:56:21 |
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I THINK IF YOU TAKE THE CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARD FOR IMPEACHMENT, WHAT IS A HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR,... |
| 04:57:43 |
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THANK YOU. MY TIME IS LONG EXPIRED. |
| 04:57:48 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. CONGRESSMAN HOLDS, YOU SUGGESTED THAT THERE IS A CASE FOR IMPEACHMENT OF... |
| 04:57:57 |
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I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THOSE LAST TWO WORDS? I GET TO SAY 14 OF THOSE 16 WORDS. WE COULD SAY HIGH GOVERNMENT,... |
| 04:58:11 |
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WOULD THAT INCLUDE SOMEBODY WHO WAS CONSIDERED TO BE NOT A MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE, BUT A BARNACLE... |
| 04:58:17 |
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SUCH AS? |
| 04:58:21 |
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SUCH AS THE MAN WHO WOULD SUCCEED TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT IF HE GOT OUT OF -- |
| 04:58:26 |
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I THINK YOU COULD DO A TWOFER. |
| 04:58:30 |
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BUT IF THAT PERSON WERE ASSIGNED TO THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, COULD YOU IMPEACH HIM? IS A PERSON WHO... |
| 04:58:45 |
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DO NOT KNOW WHAT MR. ANDERSON SAYS ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THE VICE-PRESIDENT COULD BE... |
| 04:59:02 |
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THE FIRST IMPEACHMENT WAS AGAINST A SENATOR. THE STANDARD HAS CLEARLY BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT MEMBERS... |
| 04:59:10 |
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THANK YOU. I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A METHOD TO YOUR MADNESS. GENERAL MUKASEY SAID THE VICE... |
| 04:59:42 |
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IT IS VERY CLEAR THE VICE PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE STANDS IN THE SHOES OF THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE CLAIMS... |
| 05:00:36 |
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YOU DID RESEARCH, I KNOW, ON GENERAL GONZALES. DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A CASE FOR SOME TYPE OF... |
| 05:00:44 |
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I THINK THEY'RE NEEDED TO BE MORE INVESTIGATION OF THE FACTS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT DURING HIS TESTIMONY... |
| 05:01:08 |
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DO YOU THINK IT SERVES A GOOD SOCIAL PURPOSE TO GO INTO IMPEACHMENT, OR DO YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD... |
| 05:01:28 |
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IT DEPENDS UPON WHAT THE ALLEGATIONS ARE. THERE CAN BE BAD IMPEACHMENTS AND GOOD ONES. THE ONE THAT... |
| 05:03:38 |
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THANK YOU, SIR. |
| 05:03:42 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. PROFESSOR PRESSER, YOU TESTIFIED AT THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS OF PRESIDENT... |
| 05:03:57 |
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YES. |
| 05:04:06 |
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AND YOU TESTIFIED THAT ISF PRESIDENT CLINTON LIVEED AND IF HE CONCEALED EVIDENCE THEN THAT WOULD MAKE... |
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I THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT WAS THE GIST OF IT. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST WAS WHEN YOU EXAMINE... |
| 05:04:57 |
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I WANT TO POSE THIS QUESTION TO YOU -- IF THE PRESIDENT LIED AND CONCEALED INFORMATION AND DID SO... |
| 05:05:21 |
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I THINK HE WOULD HAVE TO EXAMINE THE CIRCUMSTANCES. |
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WOULDN'T AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY EXAMINE THE CIRCUMSTANCES? YOU WOULD SUPPORT THAT NOTION, WOULD YOU... |
| 05:05:58 |
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YES, I THINK IT TURNS ON YOUR SUGGESTION WHETHER YOU HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE OR NOT. |
| 05:06:04 |
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WE HAVE HEARD ALL KINDS OF TESTIMONY AND INFORMATION TODAY. SOME OF WHICH IS VERY WELL KNOWN IN THE... |
| 05:06:29 |
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I WILL STICK BY WHAT I SAID EARLIER AND WHAT IS IN THE WRITTEN TESTIMONY. I DO NOT SEE THE FACTS THAT... |
| 05:06:39 |
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IT IS NOT SO MUCH OF HOW YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS -- |
| 05:06:43 |
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NO, IT IS YOUR CALL TO MAKE. |
| 05:06:47 |
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THE PROSECUTOR COULD LOOK AT THE FACTS ONE WAY AND DEFENSE ATTORNEY LOOK AT THEM A DIFFERENT WAY,... |
| 05:07:27 |
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NO, I LIKE VERY MUCH THE WAY THE CHARACTERIZE IT EARLIER. IT IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU HAVE PROBABLE... |
| 05:07:37 |
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WELL, I WOULD NOT FAULT US FOR WANTING TO GO FORWARD -- YOU DO NOT THINK THAT IT WOULD BE FANCIFUL... |
| 05:07:52 |
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I THINK YOU HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, AND YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU THINK IS THE... |
| 05:07:59 |
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AND DO YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE OF THIS CONGRESS IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION THAT... |
| 05:08:21 |
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I THINK I HAVE SAID I DO NOT SEE THE FACTS THE SAME WAY THAT YOU DO. |
| 05:08:27 |
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I ADMIT THAT, AND I RESPECT IT, BUT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US TO NOT LOOK FURTHER... |
| 05:08:47 |
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NO, I DO NOT THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE OF YOU NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. |
| 05:09:03 |
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PROSECUTOR -- MS. HOLTZMAN, HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS? |
| 05:09:13 |
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I THINK IT WOULD BE SHIRKING YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO FAIL TO HOLD THIS ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE... |
| 05:10:30 |
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TIME OF THE GENTLEMAN HAS EXPIRED. BRAD SHERMAN. |
| 05:10:35 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. CONGRESS HAS BECOME BASICALLY AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE PRESIDENT. AND THE... |
| 05:12:43 |
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THE TAKE CARE CAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION PROVIDES THAT THE PRESIDENT SHALL TAKE CARE THAT THE LAWS... |
| 05:13:25 |
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YOU SEEM TO BE GIVING US A LONG ANSWER THAT ADDS UP TO YES? |
| 05:13:28 |
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YES. BY THE WAY, THAT WAS IMPEACHMENT ARTICLE THAT WAS VOTED AGAINST NIXON BY THIS COMMITTEE MADE... |
| 05:13:39 |
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EVERY PRESIDENT WOULD LIKE A LINE ITEM VETO, AND IT WOULD LIKE SOMETHING EVEN BETTER. THEY WOULD LIKE... |
| 05:15:03 |
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THE PRESIDENT MORE POWER IN A WAY. |
| 05:15:06 |
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IF HE COULD REFUSE TO SIGN SUCH A STATEMENT, WE COULD PASS IT AGAIN WITHOUT THE STIGMA THAT HE WOULD... |
| 05:15:18 |
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IT IS AN INTERESTING DEVICE THAT MIGHT GET AT THE ABUSE OF THE SIGNING STATEMENTS, AND I THINK IT... |
| 05:15:28 |
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I WILL BE TRYING TO ADD THAT PROVISION TOO MANY BILLS NEXT YEAR. I HAVE ONLY A SECOND. MS. HOLTZMAN,... |
| 05:15:46 |
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IT DEPENDS ON THE SYSTEM. IT DEPENDS ON THE EVIDENCE. WHY WOULD YOU NOT GET A CONVICTION? IS IT BECAUSE... |
| 05:16:05 |
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IF THE EVIDENCE CONVINCES YOU THAT THE PERSON IS GUILTY, BUT FOR THIS OR THAT EXTRANEOUS FACTOR --... |
| 05:16:23 |
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I HAVE NEVER HAD TO FACE THAT, SO I WILL NOT GIVE YOU -- |
| 05:16:27 |
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YOU WERE NEVER A PROSECUTOR IN L.A. I YIELD BACK. |
| 05:16:32 |
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ATTORNEY TAMMY BALDWIN. |
| 05:16:34 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. FEIN, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF SEEING AN APPEARANCE... |
| 05:18:14 |
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THE REASON WHY THE WAY IN WHICH CONGRESS HAS SURROUNDED THE POWERS SIMPLY BY BEING UNRESPONSIVE TO... |
| 05:19:09 |
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THANK YOU. THAT LEADS DIRECTLY INTO MY SECOND QUESTION. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED IN THE LAST... |
| 05:20:08 |
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I DO NOT THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION IS BENT ON ATTACKING IRAN THAT ANYTHING SHORT OF CRIMINAL SANCTIONS... |
| 05:20:32 |
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YOUR QUESTION IS WHETHER AN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING WOULD DETER THIS PRESIDENT FROM INVADING IRAN?... |
| 05:20:39 |
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QUESTION IS WHETHER AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY OR OTHER CONGRESSIONAL ACTION -- WHAT IMPACT DO YOU THINK... |
| 05:20:48 |
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I THINK YOU HAVE LEARNED FROM ME TODAY IF ANYTHING THAT I ONLY DEAL WITH EVIDENCE AND FACTS, AND YOU... |
| 05:21:07 |
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SCHIFF IS A FORMER ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY AND A VALUED MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. |
| 05:21:14 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING. OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, I HAVE... |
| 05:25:31 |
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FIRST, THE RELIANCE ON OPINIONS IS SURELY NOT A DEFENSE UNLESS THE RELIANCE IS REASONABLE, AND I DO... |
| 05:26:41 |
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IF I COULD INTERJECT VERY QUICKLY FOR A VERY THE VERY SPECIFIC FOLLOW-UP, DOES THE CONGRESS HAVE JURISDICTION... |
| 05:27:10 |
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THAT IS SORT OF THE ISSUE THAT IS RAISED IN THE SUIT YOU ARE NOW PRESSING IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN... |
| 05:28:16 |
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I WAS IN THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THIS WAS DURING THE NIXON IMPEACHMENT. IN... |
| 05:29:37 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
| 05:29:42 |
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THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH OVERSIGHT AFTER 12 YEARS BACK HAS A PILE UP AND RUNNING... |
| 05:30:00 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU REALLY TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH. I WANT TO COMMEND THE CHAIRMAN... |
| 05:33:04 |
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WHAT IS CLEARLY UNPRECEDENTED IS ITS VOLUME IN ITS AUDACITY. LIKE SAYING WHEN CONGRESS ASKS THAT IT... |
| 05:33:59 |
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I KNOW YOUR PUBLICATION, YOU ADDRESS THIS SUBJECT. CAN YOU ALSO ADDRESS WHAT YOU THINK THE REMEDIES... |
| 05:34:11 |
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YOU DO HAVE, ULTIMATELY, THE IMPEACHMENT REMEDY. I EXPRESSED SOME SKEPTICISM ABOUT WHETHER, GIVEN HOW... |
| 05:34:32 |
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I'M TALKING AS A SPECIFIC RESPONSE TO THE USE OF SIGNING STATEMENTS. |
| 05:34:35 |
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YOU COULD, SURE. |
| 05:34:38 |
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SHORTER THAT, WHAT OTHER REMEDIES ARE AVAILABLE? I THINK THIS PRESIDENT HAS ENGAGED IN HORRIFIC ABUSES... |
| 05:35:10 |
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COULD THEY BE ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED, FOR THE PRESIDENT NOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY HE THINKS THERE IS A... |
| 05:35:33 |
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LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WHEN I WAS IN THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE, THERE WERE INSTANCES IN WHICH THE... |
| 05:36:07 |
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I'M NOT SURE. THE POWER OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM SHOULD BE USED, TOO. THESE ARE NOW CLEARLY CONTROVERSIAL,... |
| 05:36:34 |
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BUT I WANT MORE THAN THAT. I WANT SOME REAL LEGAL -- |
| 05:36:41 |
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I THINK WHAT YOU CAN DO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATIONS POWER -- |
| 05:36:46 |
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THIS PRESIDENT HAS NO SHAME, POLITICAL PRESSURE DOES NOT WORK. |
| 05:36:51 |
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TALKING ABOUT PRESSURE ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. |
| 05:36:55 |
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WHAT CAN BE DONE IS THROUGH THE POWER OF THE PURSE. YOU SIMPLY SAY THAT THERE IS NO MONEY THAT THE... |
| 05:37:21 |
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THAT IS WONDERFUL. GLAD TO HEAR THAT I PERSONALLY CAN GET INVOLVED IN THAT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THANK... |
| 05:37:32 |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES KEITH ELLISON, FORMER STATE LEGISLATOR AND A TRIAL ATTORNEY FOR OVER 13 YEARS.... |
| 05:37:42 |
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COULD YOU DO A SIGNING STATEMENT BASED ON THE PRECEDENT OF THIS WHITE HOUSE, ISSUED A SIGNING STATEMENT... |
| 05:38:01 |
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THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A NEW HIGH WATERMARK OF OUR DESTINY, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT WOULD NOT BE... |
| 05:38:20 |
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RISKING WHAT? |
| 05:38:23 |
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IMPEACHMENT. FOR WHATEVER REASON, THERE SEEMS TO BE STILL A CONSENSUS THAT THE POWER OF THE PURSE... |
| 05:38:35 |
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BASED ON THE SIGNING STATEMENTS WE HAVE SEEN, IT WOULD NOT SHOCK ANYBODY TO SEE THE CASE AS DESCRIBED.... |
| 05:39:12 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, MR. ELLISON, I TOOK SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION 45, WHICH CAME... |
| 05:40:05 |
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I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THE CONGRESSMAN TO SUMMARIZE THE REPRESENTATION. |
| 05:40:13 |
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FOR EXAMPLE, IN BOTH -- BUT I SPEAK TO THIS, I WILL SPEAK TO BOTH SJ RES 45 AND HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION... |
| 05:44:02 |
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CASESA, BASED ON THE PRESENTATION THAT CONGRESSMAN KUCINICH JUST MADE, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THERE... |
| 05:44:23 |
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IF APPROVED, I WOULD THINK SO, BUT WE HAVE HEARD SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT THAT VIEW OF THE FACT IS INCORRECT.... |
| 05:44:29 |
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WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE THE OBLIGATION OF THE SENATE TO WAIVE THE FACTS? |
| 05:44:34 |
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I THINK YOU MEAN THE HOUSE IN THIS CASE. |
| 05:44:37 |
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I WOULD SAY ULTIMATELY THE SENATE WOULD BE THE ONE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A CASE HAD BEEN PROVED,... |
| 05:44:51 |
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YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY ARE ACCURATE OR NOT. . |
| 05:45:30 |
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I AM NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. WHAT I UNDERSTOOD CONGRESSMAN CHRIS SENATE TO... |
| 05:46:06 |
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CONGRESSMAN -- COULD YOU CLARIFY -- |
| 05:46:12 |
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IS THE PROPER ROLE OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE -- IT IS THE PROPER ROLE OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE... |
| 05:47:16 |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. THE CHAIR WOULD RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. |
| 05:47:26 |
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THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. I REALIZE THE INDULGENCE AS A RESULT OF YOU ALLOWING THE CONGRESSMAN... |
| 05:49:31 |
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DOES THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 05:49:34 |
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I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, BUT I HAVE SAT HERE FOR THE LAST 45 MINUTES WITHOUT A SINGLE OPPORTUNITY FOR... |
| 05:49:43 |
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I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT OUT HERE TODAY THAT ASSERTIONS OR REPORTS WERE MADE... |
| 05:50:13 |
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NO, THAT IS NOT. ONCE AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE NOT RAISED OBJECTIONS HERE TO THE CONDUCT OF THIS... |
| 05:50:59 |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 05:51:00 |
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YES. |
| 05:51:02 |
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I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE HAVE AN EXCEEDINGLY TOLERANT OF RESPONSES FROM OUR INVITED GUESTS.... |
| 05:51:47 |
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I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR THAT. THE ONLY POINT I WOULD MAKE IN RESPONSE TO MY FRIEND FROM NEW YORK... |
| 05:55:03 |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD AGAIN? I MUST COMMENT, WHEN WE INVADED NORTH AFRICA, THERE WERE UNCERTAINTIES... |
| 05:56:19 |
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THE PRESIDENT WAS BASING IT ON THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE AND THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE INTELLIGENCE... |
| 05:57:09 |
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IF YOU DRAW THOSE CONCLUSIONS, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT BASED ON THE FACTS THAT WERE AVAILABLE, MANY... |
| 05:57:35 |
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I KNOW IT IS INCONTROVERTIBLE WITH RESPECT TO THE OTHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. I THINK THAT CHAIRMAN... |
| 05:57:48 |
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THE TIME OF EVERYBODY HAS EXPIRED. I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS THAT WERE ABLE TO STAY THROUGH FIVE... |
| 06:00:35 |
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JOHN CONYERS LEAVING THE ROOM AFTER A SIX-HOUR HEARING ON EXECUTIVE POWER THAT WILL AIR AGAIN TONIGHT... |
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