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THE HEARING WILL COME TO ORDER. TODAY THE COMMITTEE WILL HEAR TESTIMONY ABOUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED... |
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RANKING MEMBER, SENATOR ARLEN SPECTER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT HEARING, AND I COMMEND OUR DISTINGUISHED... |
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I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM UTAH IS FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD ALSO... |
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I WILL BE BRIEF AS I KNOW YOU HAVE A FULL AGENDA WITH SEVERAL KNOWLEDGEABLE WITNESSES. WHAT THEY SAY... |
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YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THESE FEW WORDS. I WOULD NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE TO MAKE A... |
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I WOULD NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO OUR COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAJORITY LEADER... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR WHITEHOUSE. WANT THE RECORD TO BE SPREAD WITH HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE SENATOR... |
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COME AND TESTIFY BEFORE COMMITTEES VERY OFTEN. I FELT THAT THIS WAS THE ESSENTIAL THAT I BE HERE.... |
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SAID WHAT SHOULD I DO, TALKING ABOUT THE STARDUST HOTEL AND HE SAID SELL THE SON OF A AND THE MAN... |
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THIS COMMITTEE, THIS JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THAT PUBLIC AMISS COMMUNITIES IN THE UNITED STATES ARE LIKELY... |
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ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE, LEADER REID, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE ON THE COMMITTEE.... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR WHITEHOUSE. [INAUDIBLE] EXCUSE ME. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT WITNESSES ALWAYS... |
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POLYGAMOUS COMMUNITIES IS THE SAME RULE AS IN ANY OTHER CONTEXT, TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE FEDERAL... |
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MAY I ASK YOU TO SOME OF YOUR TESTIMONY SO THAT WE CAN STAY WITHIN OUR TIME GUIDELINES? YOU'RE FULL... |
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THE MEMBERS OF POLYGAMOUS COMMUNITIES ARE COMMITTING FEDERAL CRIMES OTHER WHITE-COLLAR FRAUD, CRIMES... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UNITED STATES ATTORNEY TOLMAN. |
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IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE. I WILL SAY IT'S FAR DIFFERENT BEING ON THIS SIDE OF THE COMMITTEE THAN BEHIND... |
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WAIT UNTIL SENATOR HATCH STARTS ASKING YOU QUESTIONS. |
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SENATOR WHITEHOUSE AND DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE I'M BRETT TOLMAN, THE UNITED STATES... |
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SEARCH WARRANT HAD BEEN EXECUTED AT THE Y. ESSEY RANCH IN LAROCCO TEXAS. AT BAT TIME THEY ALSO STATED... |
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LOYALTY, SINCERE RELIGIOUS BELIEF, OR COULD WORSEN THEIR MEMBERS ARE FREQUENTLY UNCOOPERATIVE WITH... |
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COULD YOU WRAPUP BECAUSE THE TIME IS EXPIRED? |
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YES, IN SUMMARY GREAT EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR COOPERATION AND COORDINATION... |
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THANK YOU. ATTORNEY GENERAL GODDARD, GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS TERRI GODDARD AND I APPRECIATE... |
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THEY WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD. |
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I WILL MAKE EFFORT TO SUMMARIZE THEM HERE TODAY. THE INVESTIGATION PROSECUTION OF CRIMES AND COMMUNITIES... |
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DOMESTIC ABUSE, SEXUAL VIOLENCE, COMBATING FRAUD AND PUBLIC CORRUPTION, ENFORCING CIVIL RIGHTS LAW... |
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I AM PLEASED TO SAY THE SAFETY NET HAS PROVIDED SUPPORT TO OVER 1200 INDIVIDUALS AND THE NUMBER SEEMS... |
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FINALLY, IT HAS BEEN FAR TOO LONG THAT JUST IN HIS FLDS PREDECESSORS AS WELL AS LEADERS OF OTHER POLYGAMIST... |
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VIOLATED THE LAW. UTAH AND ARIZONA ARE WORKING TO RESTORE THE LAW AND TO AID VICTIMS OF ABUSE. WHAT... |
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THANK YOU ATTORNEY GENERAL GODDARD IN RETURN FOR FINAL WITNESS, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF TEXAS, GREGG... |
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THANKS TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR CONVENING THIS HEARING. IF I COULD AT THE OUTSET EXPLAIN, UNTIL... |
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AS THE COMMITTEE IS AWARE MY OFFICE IS ENGAGED IN PENDING PROSECUTIONS OF CERTAIN FLDS MEMBERS. TWO... |
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A SEPARATE SUSPECT HAS BEEN INDICTED ON THREE COUNTS OF |
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FAILURE TO REPORT CHILD ABUSE. THE INDICTMENTS ISSUED ON TUESDAY HER PART OF AN ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.... |
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ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICES IN ARIZONA AND UTAH. |
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WE HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE VITAL IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNICATION AND COOPERATION AMONG STATE AND FEDERAL... |
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ROOTS IN MANY STATES AND MANY COUNTRIES. TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, IT IS A BIG CHALLENGE FOR STATE AUTHORITIES... |
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THAT FALL WITHIN STATE AUTHORITIES PURVIEW, THERE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES FOR FEDERAL PROSECUTORS TO... |
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POTENTIAL WHITE-COLLAR CRIMES BY FLDS MEMBERS AND THEIR LEADERSHIP PROJECTIVITY THAT SPANS STATE BORDERS... |
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FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS EXPERIENCED AND QUALIFIED TO |
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EVALUATE AND PROSECUTE. THERE SHOULD ALSO BE COOPERATION AND COORDINATION AMONG STATE AND FEDERAL... |
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THANK YOU ATTORNEY GENERAL ABBOTT. ONCE AGAIN LET ME SAY WHAT A PRIVILEGE IT IS FOR THIS COMMITTEE... |
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TANDEM WAS A SIGNIFICANT, I GUESS YOU CALL IN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TYPE OPERATION AND IT STRIKES ME... |
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TOGETHER, ESTABLISHES A TASK FORCE THAT SPOKE TO EACH OTHER AND EVERYBODY KEPT TRACK OF WHAT EVERYBODY... |
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ISSUE OR HOW ARE YOU ORGANIZED. WHEN I SAY TASK FORCE, I MEAN IN INVISIBLE ONE THAT IS IN THE U.S.... |
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SENATOR IF I MIGHT ADDRESS THAT FIRST. I CAN TELL YOU IN MY SIX MONTHS ON THE JOB IN NEVADA I HAVE... |
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VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE EXTENT OF STATE, FEDERAL AND LOCAL COOPERATION ON A VARIETY OF FRONTS IN MY... |
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BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE EFFORTS BY THOSE AT THIS TABLE AND OUR RESPECTIVE OFFICES AND OTHER OFFICES... |
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SENATOR IN MY OFFICE THERE AS YOU SAY AN INVISIBLE TASK FORCE AND PERHAPS THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE ANALOGY.... |
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I'M AFRAID TODAY'S HEARING MAY BLOW THAT FOR YOU. |
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WE HAVE SEEN ALREADY, WE HAVE SEEN ALREADY WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT WITHDRAWAL OF MANY THAT HAVE BEEN... |
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TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, CAN YOU LET THE COMMITTEE KNOW, HOW IS THIS BEING COORDINATED EITHER WITHIN... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE BY THE START AND THAT AND DEFER TO ATTORNEY GENERAL ABBOTT.... |
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S.E. SAID IN HIS REMARKS AND I WOULD HAVE EMPHASIZED WITH ADDITIONAL TIME, THIS IS A CONSPIRACY. ... |
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HODDING UTAH THEY COULD MOVE TO ARIZONA AND LEGALLY SPEAKING THEY COULD MOVE IT BACK TO YOU TALK. ... |
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BRINGING I BELIEVE THE EIGHT CASES NOW AGAINST PEOPLE FOR SEXUAL ABUSE OF MINORS. SINCE MY TIME IS... |
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SINCE MY TIME IS RUNNING OUT, MACKY'S GIVE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABBOTT WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? |
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WE HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FROM ARIZONA, THE ATTORNEY... |
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ATTORNEY GENERAL FROM ARIZONA, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR UTAH AS WE HAVE GONE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF... |
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WITH THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS. VERY GOOD. AT THE POINT I WOULD BE HONORED... |
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VERY GOOD. AT THE POINT I WOULD BE HONORED TO RECOGNIZE THE VERY DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM UTAH,... |
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DISTINCTION AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE. RATHER NEW IN THIS CHAIR AND -- COMPARED TO THE FAST... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK YOU DO A VERY GOOD JOB AS USUAL AND YOU HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE IN THESE... |
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MARK COVERT METHODS MAY BE PROPERLY EMPLOYED. JUST TO QUESTIONS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TO BLUNT AN ... |
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WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A TASK FORCE -- TASK FORCES PREVIOUSLY. IN 2003 AND 2005 ATTENDS FOR ME TO ORGANIZE... |
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HAVE BEEN TO THESE CITIES AND OBSERVED THE CITIZENS OF THESE PARTICULARLY POLYGAMIST GROUPS, |
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IT IS REMARKABLE. |
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IF AN OUTSIDER WOULD TO DRIVE THROUGH THEIR IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED BY ALL OF THE |
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RESIDENCE IN THIS AREA. |
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THEY KNOW YOU ARE WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY AND WHO ARE WITHOUT. BECAUSE OF THAT IS A GREAT CHALLENGE... |
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THE SUCCESSFUL TEST FORCES THAT ARE OUT THERE PRESENTLY. THANK YOU. WE ARE SO PLEASED TO HAVE ALL... |
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THANK YOU. WE ARE SO PLEASED TO HAVE ALL OF YOU HERE. I DON'T -- CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN ANY WAY AND... |
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I'M NOT SENATOR. IT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION OF COURSE AND AS A MENTION IN MY STATEMENT THE DEPARTMENT... |
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THANK YOU. JUST A SHORT ANSWER ON THIS KEY CAN. THERE APPEARS TO BE A RECEPTION THAT SOME ARE IGNORING... |
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POLYGAMIST GROUPS. I AM CERTAINLY AWARE THAT MANY STATES, INCLUDING UTAH HAVE THOROUGHLY PURSUED A... |
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SENATOR, LET ME IF I MAY DESCRIBE TO YOU WHAT INVESTIGATIONS HAVE BEEN, WHAT LEADS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED... |
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AND FOOD STAMP PROGRAM FRAUD AS WELL AS FALSE CLAIM FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR CHILD CARE EXPENSES. WE... |
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THANK YOU. THE CHAIRMAN HAS GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED MORE TIME TO ASK A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS SINCE... |
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MY STATE HAS BEEN INVOLVED TO A DEGREE. MR. GODDARD, YOU INDICATED AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY... |
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STATED THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS -- SCENES ARE NOT CONFUSED WITH THE FLDS. |
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CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS? MR. CHAIRMAN, SENATOR HATCH |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, SENATOR HATCH WOULD BE DELIGHTED. THE CONFUSION HAS PERSISTED IN THE MEDIA AND I THINK... |
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WOULD BE DELIGHTED. THE CONFUSION HAS PERSISTED IN THE MEDIA AND I THINK IT IS |
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HIGHLY UNFORTUNATE. IT SEEMS TO ME AND SENATOR REID WHO BELONG TO THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY... |
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IT SEEMS TO ME AND SENATOR REID WHO BELONG TO THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS. |
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OBVIOUSLY THE BREAK THAT TOOK PLACE OF THE BEGINNING OF THE LAST CENTURY IN THE 1900'S, WHEN POLYGAMY... |
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I HATE TO SAY THE CONFUSION OF NAMES HAS SOMETIMES LEAD, ME IN PARTICULAR, TO GET THESE ORGANIZATIONS... |
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SIZE IS GOING TO NEED A CAPTAIN. IT IS GOING TO NEED CORPORATION TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME... |
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BORDERS AS WELL, IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO PURSUE THESE |
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CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES TO THE END AND I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT THIS HEARING IS ALL ABOUT AND I HOPE THE... |
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SUPPORT AND I KNOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SUPPORTS, THE IDEA OF THE STRIKE FORCE AND COORDINATING INTO... |
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THANK YOU. MR. TOLMAN, DO AGREE WITH MR. GODDARD THAT THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY... |
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EDUCATION IS ONGOING AND CHALLENGE WITH RESPECT TO THIS ISSUE AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST I THINK HURDLES... |
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WHAT DID THEY STAND FOR AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SEPARATE, |
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THAT THE FLDS CHURCH OTHERWISE |
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KNOWN AS THE MORMONS SINCE 1900 HAVE KICKED OUT ANY OF ITS MEMBERS WHO HAVE PRACTICED POLYGAMY. AND... |
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COMMUNITY ARE CONSIDERATIONS AT THE FOREFRONT OF THEIR MIND AND |
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IN OUR MINES. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BUT I THINK I HAVE TAKEN ENOUGH TIME. I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTY... |
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I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BUT I THINK I HAVE TAKEN ENOUGH TIME. I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTY OF YOUR... |
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THANK YOU. |
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I'M NOW THE TO: DISTINGUISHED SENATOR FROM MARYLAND, SENATOR BEN CARDIN. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING AND I THANK SENATOR HATCH FOR HIS LEADERSHIP FOR HIS... |
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THE CHURCH OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS AND LEGITIMATE CHURCH GROUPS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND I THANK HIM FOR... |
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I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. |
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ON THE NEXT BATTLE THERE ARE TWO WITNESSES THAT WILL GIVE FIRSTHAND ACCOUNTS OF WHAT IT WAS LIKE LIVING... |
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HAPPENED HERE IN THIS COUNTRY IS AS BAD AS ANYTHING I HAVE SEEN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD ON CHILDREN... |
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HOW THIS CAN OCCUR IN THE UNITED |
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STATES AND HAS OCCURRED FOR SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. ONE OF THE WITNESSES WILL TALK |
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ABOUT HER EXPERIENCES WITH LOCAL OFFICIALS, LET ME JUST QUOTE. WHEN SOMEONE WOULD COMPLAIN OF BEING... |
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WAS THE BEADY AND THERE WOULD |
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NOT BE ANY PROBLEM, REFERRING TO THE LOCAL POLICE RETURNING A WOMAN BACK TO HER HUSBAND, SAYING BE... |
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POLICE WOULD NOT BOTHER THEM AND GOES ON TO TALK MORE AND MORE ABOUT THE COLLUSION OF LOCAL OFFICIALS... |
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SENATOR, IF I MIGHT, THAT IS A CONSTANT STREAM OF DELEGATION IN THE HISTORY OF DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE,... |
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I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT YOU ALL HAVE A CHANCE. |
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IF I COULD ADD COME YOUR HIGHLIGHTING ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES. A CONCERN MIXES WITH REGARD TO CORRUPTION... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, SENATOR CARDIN ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I AM HERE TO PLEAD FOR ADDITIONAL FEDERAL SUPPORT,... |
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I WOULD JUST URGE US TO LEARN FROM HOW WE DEALT WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES AND WHERE WE KNEW THAT... |
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I WILL CONCLUDE THIS PANEL BY ONCE AGAIN THINKING THE WITNESSES. YOU BRING GREAT DISTINGUISHED TO ... |
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WILL YOU ALL PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? TO AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE... |
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THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? PLEASE BE SEATED. I WELCOME YOU TO THIS... |
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MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, I AM AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST AND THE AUTHOR OF 19 NON-FICTION BOOKS.... |
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TURRELL WIVES WITH DEPENDENT CHILDREN THEM BECAME ELIGIBLE FOR WELFARE PAYMENTS AND WELFARE FRAUD.... |
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FLDS OPENLY DESPISES THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WHAT TAKING ITS MONEY. THE TACTIC THEY CALL QUOTE, LEADING... |
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FOR OTHER PURCHASES OF LAND IN SOUTH DAKOTA AND MORE RECENTLY IN COLORADO? HAS MONEY BEEN LAUNDERED... |
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THANK YOU. NEXT WITNESS IS DR. DAN FISHER WAS THE FIRSTBORN OF 36 CHILDREN AND IN FLDS FAMILY IN SALT... |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME HERE ... |
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. SOME MEN AND BUSINESSES WILL TAKE OF BANKRUPTCY SO TO KEEP MORE MONEY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE LEADERSHIP.... |
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TALKING TO THEM OR EVEN INTERACTING WITH THEM EVER AGAIN. AND THEN IMAGINE WHAT MUST BE GOING THROUGH... |
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MULTIPLE TIMES AND DROVE FROM FAMILY TO FAMILY AND SPREAD OVER MULTIPLE STATES. I BELIEVE THIS ONGOING... |
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FOUNDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE -- FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS IT HAS BEEN... |
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HITLER AND STALIN KILLED INTELLECTUALS. JUST EXPELS THEM. I VALUE OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS, HOWEVER... |
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THANK YOU DR. FISHER. OUR NEXT WITNESS IS CAROLYN JESSOP. CAROLYN JESSOP WAS BORN INTO A POLYGAMIST... |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. IT IS BOTH A PRIVILEGE AND HONOR FOR... |
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WELCOME THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE WITNESSES, EACH OF YOU AND YOU'RE OWN... |
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WELCOME THANK YOU. I WILL ASK MANY QUESTIONS. DR. FISHER, I THINK IT SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR HOW GENEROUS... |
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YES. I THINK THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT OCCURRED AROUND 57, 58 WHEN IT BECAME CHURCH POLICY... |
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WELLS BEFORE. MS. JESSOP, I ALSO APPLAUD YOUR COURAGE AND DETERMINATION IT WITHOUT YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH... |
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THAT INVOLVES THE FACT I KNEW IF I WENT TO AUTHORITIES I WOULD BE VIEWED AS A CRIMINAL. SO I DIDN'T... |
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I SEE. |
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I DIDN'T BELIEVE I HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME PROTECTIONS. THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER ELEMENT IS THERE... |
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I SEE. NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY BOTH ESTABLISHED 24 OUR TOLL-FREE HOT LINES OPERATED BY PROFESSIONAL... |
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I KNOW THOSE HOT LINES WERE ESTABLISHED AFTER I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE AND HOW DIFFICULT... |
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SO, SO I'M SURE AND THE INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE TERRIFIED IN USING THAT LINE AND IF SOMEBODY |
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OVERHEARD THEM TALKING, WILL THERE BE APPROPRIATE HELP, HOW QUICKLY WILL IT COME. THERE'S A LOT OF... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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SENATOR CARDIN. |
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I WANT TO JOIN WITH SENATOR CHAIRMAN HATCHED IN THE HEARING AND ADMIRE YOUR COURAGE IN DOING THE INVESTIGATIONS... |
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I THANK SENATOR CARDIN FOR HIS OBSERVATION. SENATOR CARDIN HAS REALLY DISTINGUISHED HIMSELF IN THE... |
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WELL, WE KNOW THAT WHEN THE HEAT STARTED TO COME ON THEM IN UTAH AND ARIZONA THEY BOUGHT LAND IN SOUTH... |
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DR. FISCHER, TO HAVE ANY |
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YES. EVEN CONNECTING TO LAY AND BEING CONSECRATED TO THE PRIESTHOOD FROM EVEN BACK TO THE MID-30S... |
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OKAY. |
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HE STATES HONOR ABOUT OCTOBER, 1999 THE SOUND OF A RINGING TELEPHONE AWOKE ME AT ABOUT 4:30 A.M. IN... |
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I WAS AGE 50. |
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IT IS A HELL OF A FEELING TO ALL AT ONCE DISCOVER YOUR AN ORPHAN AT AGE 50. I TRIED CONTACTING BROTHERS... |
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YEAR 2001 WE TALK ABOUT IT. HE WOULDN'T COMMIT. DAD, LET'S MEET AT THE YEAR 2002. HE WOULDN'T COMMIT.... |
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THE WHEEL. IT HAD BECOME FAMILY PRACTICE IF |
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HE WAS MAKING TRIPS BEYOND TOWN THAT AN OLDER CHILD WHO HAD A DRIVER'S LICENSE WOULD GO AND DRIVE... |
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HE PLOWED INTO ONE OF THE ONLY DEEP RAVINES FOR SOME DISTANCE. THERE WERE NO SKID MARKS. DID HE GO... |
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I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE TESTIMONY OF ALL THE WITNESSES. THE TIME FOR THIS HEARING IS ACTUALLY LONG... |
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