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THANK YOU. SERGEANT ALVA? I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY IS REALLY KEEPING TO THE TIME. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ERIC ALVA. I WAS A STAFF SERGEANT IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. I... |
| 00:28:29 |
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I'M SORRY, BUT COULD YOU FINISH YOUR REMARKS VERY QUICKLY. |
| 00:28:32 |
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YES, MA'AM. |
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I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT DON'T ASK DON'T TELL DOES ANYTHING BUT UNDERCUT THE TRUSTS AND OUR NATION'S... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISS DONNELLY? BE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON. |
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I'M ELAINE DONNELLY. I FOUNDED THE CENTER FOR MILITARY READINESS IN 1993. IN THAT YEAR, BILL CLINTON... |
| 00:38:38 |
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THANK YOU. PLEASE GO AHEAD. |
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THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY TODAY. I'M A RETIRED SERGEANT MAJOR, U.S. ARMY. I'M A RANGER... |
| 00:43:29 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY. I THINK BEFORE WE START, WE ALL WANT... |
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NO, MA'AM. A LOT OF THE PROBLEM YOU SEE IN THE UNIT COHESION QUESTION, REGARDING TURNING THEIR BACKS... |
| 00:45:48 |
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LET ME ASK YOU, IF YOU HAD A VERY CAPABLE PERSON IN A POSITION, BE IT A MEDIC, WHOEVER THAT MIGHT... |
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MY FIRST DUTY IN RESPONSIBILITY TO THIS NATION, I PUT THE UTMOST ABOVE EVERYTHING IS OBEY THE LAWS... |
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COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT PART? WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO? |
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BEING COHESIVE IS THE BIGGEST PART OF THE MILITARY. YOU HAVE PRIORITY GOALS OF EACH UNIT, WHETHER... |
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THANK YOU. |
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I THINK, FRANKLY, IT'S MUCH MORE DISRUPTIVE TO UNIT COHESION AND MAR-MORALE WHEN YOU HAVE A HIGH CHARGING... |
| 00:49:06 |
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THANK YOU. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. McCUE. |
| 00:49:10 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TO MADAM CHAIR AND ALL OF YOU IN THE BEGINNING, I DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING... |
| 00:50:00 |
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'47. SO YOU WERE ONE YEAR BEFORE THE SEGREGATION OF YOUR UNIT, PURSUANT TO THE ORDER OF INTEGRATION... |
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YES, SIR. |
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YOU WERE IMMEDIATELY ASSIGNED TO AUCBV SEGREGATED UNIT? |
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I'M SORRY? |
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YOU WERE IMMEDIATELY SIGNED TO A SEGREGATED UNIT? |
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YES, SIR. |
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I BELIEVE I HEARD USAIN THE KOREAN CONFLICT, YOU WERE AGAIN ASSIGNED TO A SEGREGATED UNIT. |
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1951, I COMPLETED OFFICER'S CANDIDATE SCHOOL IN OKLAHOMA AND REASSIGNED TO A NATIONAL GUARD UNIT FROM... |
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I SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR. I'M NOT DISBELIEVING YOU. I'M CURIOUS, AS TO WHAT THE PROCESS WAS IN '48 ONWARD... |
| 00:51:24 |
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I WAS REASSIGNED TO A DESEGREGATED UNIT ONCE I REPORTED FOR DUTY.r THAT WAS 1951 AND AFTER PRESIDENT... |
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I BELIEVE WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE WOULD TEACH, THIS IS CRUX OF MY QUESTION, REGARDLESS OF DESEGREGATION... |
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I -- |
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BECAUSE IN YOUR CASE, IT DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN. I THINK WE COULD FIND AFRICAN-AMERICAN SOLDIERS IN 2008... |
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NO. I THINK THEY'RE ALL INTEGRATED IN 2008. |
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I MEAN FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, NOT BY NUMBERS. |
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I WOULD SAY THAT. IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT A PROGRAM, I -- NO, I DON'T THINK A PROGRAM IS... |
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WAS THINKING MORE ALONG THOSE OTHERS ASSIGNED TO UNITS RATHER THAN COMMAND. I ASSUME IF A COMMAND IS... |
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YES, SIR. |
| 00:53:35 |
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IF YOU WERE, WOULD YOU HAVE STILL JOINED? I KNOW THAT'S A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION BUT WHAT DO YOU FEEL?... |
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IF I WERE 19 OR 21 NOW, TODAY, I WOULD NOT JOIN. |
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YOU WOULD NOT JOIN? |
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I WOULD NOT. |
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SERGEANT ALBA, YOU WERE OF THE REALIZATION WHEN YOU JOINED THAT YOU WERE GAY? |
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YES. |
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AND YOU DID JOIN? |
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YES, SIR. |
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HELP ME UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVATION, WHAT YOU THOUGHT, WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS WERE. |
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IN 1989, AFTER GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL, AS A 5'1 INDIVIDUAL, WEIGHING 90 POUNDS, IT TURNED INTO MORE... |
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YOU WERE AWARE OF DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL AT THE TIME? |
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NOT AT THE TIME. IT WASN'T UNTIL 1993. IT WAS 1991 WHEN I JOINED. |
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YOU JOINED IN 1991, I APOLOGIZE. WOULD YOU HAVE JOINED IN '91, HAD IT BEEN THE POLICY IN '91? |
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YES, SIR. |
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THANK YOU. DR. STEINER? |
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THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I APPRECIATE YOU. SERGEANT MAJOR JONES, I WAS READING YOUR BIOGRAPHY AND IT,... |
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THAT'S CORRECT. |
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AFTER THIS HEARING, YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MISS DON ELLIE BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN LEADING... |
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CAPTAIN JONES IS A FRIEND OF MINE. I SUPPORT HER. |
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THANK YOU MISS DONNELLY. IT'S MY TIME HERE. I WANTED TO ASK ON THIS ISSUE OF UNIT COHESION, WHAT CONCERNS... |
| 00:58:38 |
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I WANT TO QUALIFY MY COMMENT TO REPRESENTATIVE McHUGH, I WOULDN'T JOIN BECAUSE I SPENT MOST OF MY... |
| 00:59:06 |
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YOU COULD SLIP UP? |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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OR YOU COULD SAY -- |
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YES, SIR. |
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I DON'T KNOW YOUR PARTNER'S NAME. LESLIE AND I HAD A GREAT TIME AT |
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YEAH. MY PARTNER IS ACTUALLY LYNN KENNEDY SITTING BEHIND ME, LIBRARY OF CONGRESS FORMER EMPLOYEE.... |
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MY EXPERIENCE IS PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT OF THE MILITARY, WHEN THEY THINK OF THAT TIME, AS YOU HAVE TODAY,... |
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MR. JONES. |
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MADAM CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JOINED MY COLLEAGUES, WHO, NO MATTER HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS... |
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VERY FEW. BRITAIN ACCEPTED A EUROPEAN COURT ORDER. THEY'RE WELL NOW INTO PROGRESSING TO ACCEPTING... |
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COULD I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? ANSWERING A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME, I HEARD... |
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THANK YOU, MR. JONES, YOUR TIME IS UP. MR. MURPHY? |
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THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I SAY THANK YOU TO THE PANEL FOR YOU AND YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY. I'M PATRICK MURPHY,... |
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I RESPECT ALL OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN THE MILITARY, BY THE WAY, DR. SNYDER. |
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IT'S ACTUALLY PATRICK MURPHY. |
| 01:06:48 |
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NO, I HAD TO ASK THE OTHER QUESTION OF THE ONE THAT PUT IT TO ME DIRECTLY. I RESPECT ALL THE PEOPLE... |
| 01:07:13 |
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YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS, YOU'RE SAYING YOU DO NOT TRUST OUR MILITARY PROFESSIONALS... |
| 01:07:35 |
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YOU SAID PROFESSIONAL. PROFESSIONAL DOESN'T MEAN AUTOMATED, DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE AREN'T HUMAN, PEOPLE... |
| 01:07:53 |
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THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE UCMJ AND ARMY REGULATIONS AND MARINE CORPS REGULATIONS BECAUSE -- HOLD ON.... |
| 01:08:28 |
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WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO CYNTHIA YOST, THE WOMAN ON A TRAINING EXERCISE ASSAULTED BY A GROUP OF LESBIANS?... |
| 01:08:35 |
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I WOULD SAY TO EVERY SINGLE MAN OR WOMEN WHO SERVES IN THE MILITARY, YOU GO TO YOUR SUPERIOR OFFICER... |
| 01:08:49 |
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THEY WOULD BE COMPLAINING OF WHAT THEY WERE ACCUSED OF. |
| 01:08:52 |
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YOU LOST YOUR LEG IN SERVICE TO IRAQ AND I THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU. |
| 01:08:56 |
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DO YOU NOT THINK A MARINE CANNOT ANSWER THE CALL OF DUTY, IF ASKED TO BY THEIR NATION? |
| 01:09:01 |
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YES, SIR. THERE WAS TWO FELLOW MARINES IN MY CONVOY THAT DAY ON MARCH 21st. LOSING MY LEG WAS AN... |
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GENERAL COLEMAN, A TWO STAR GENERAL AND GOT THE PURPLE HEART IN KOREA WHEN YOU JOINED OUR MILITARY.... |
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YES, SIR. UNIT COHESION IS A LEADERSHIP ISSUE. IT STARTS FROM THE VERY LOWEST UNIT, THE LOWEST LEVEL... |
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MR. MURPHY, I'M SORRY, MR. MURPHY'S TIME IS UP. I'M GOING TO GO IN THE NUMBERS IN WHICH PEOPLE CAME... |
| 01:10:47 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE THE GREAT HONOR OF BEING A MILITARY SPOUSE, IN THOSE DAYS WE CALLED THEM... |
| 01:11:19 |
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF YOUR QUESTION EXCEPT TO SAY THIS. SEXUALITY IS IMPORTANT. |
| 01:11:23 |
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LET ME ASK YOU, WAS THAT A CHOICE? |
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THE ARGUMENT -- |
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I'M REALLY NOT LOOKING FOR THE LONG TALK, I WANT TO KNOW, DO YOU THINK THAT'S A CHOICE OR DO YOU THINK... |
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I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON WHY -- |
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I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SENSE YOU WOULD ANSWER IT DIFFERENTLY. I RESPECT THAT. THE POINT I'M MAKING IS... |
| 01:12:19 |
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MAY I COMMENT? |
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ACTUALLY, NOT YET. I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT. I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, ARE YOU AWARE THE ARMY IS ALLOWING... |
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I THINK IT'S WRONG. I THINK THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CAN DO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.... |
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YOU BLAME IT ON THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. |
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IT IS A PROBLEM AND YOU DON'T SOLVE IT BY REPEALING THE LAW AND SAYING HOMOSEXUALS WILL BE IN THE... |
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MISS DONNELLY, I'M NOT SURE WHY THESE GOOD PEOPLE ARE YOUR TARGET, FRANKLY. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT.... |
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TREMENDOUS TALENT. EVERYDAY, I SPEAK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE -- WOULD THINK ABOUT JOINING THE MILITARY.... |
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IT'S DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE RECRUITING, TO WALK AWAY FROM PEOPLE WITH A GENUINE... |
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SORRY. MAY I TAKE THAT ONE QUESTION, CHAIRMAN? |
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FIRST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REMARKS. I CERTAINLY HOPE IT'S NOT 15 MORE YEARS. I WANTED TO COMMENT AGAIN.... |
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THANK YOU AND THANK YOU, GENERAL COLEMAN FOR BEING HERE AS WELL TO SPEAK UP FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT... |
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DO YOU STILL HAVE TIME? |
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WE HAVE A YELLOW. SHE HAS ABOUT TWO SECONDS LEFT. DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT QUICKLY? |
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YES. I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, THINKING BACK TO 1948, WHEN I FIRST CAME INTO THE ARMY,... |
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THANK YOU. |
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MR. KLEIN. |
| 01:16:10 |
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THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND ALL THE PANELISTS HERE TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND DISTINGUISHED... |
| 01:16:21 |
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YOU CAN TELL BY THE HEAT OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, THIS IS AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE. I APPRECIATE YOUR... |
| 01:17:15 |
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REPEAT THE QUESTION, PLEASE? |
| 01:17:17 |
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YES. THE QUESTION IS THERE ARE COUNTRIES WHO OPENED UP THEIR POLICIES AND ALLOWED HOMOSEXUALS TO... |
| 01:17:32 |
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RIGHT. I WASN'T ABLE TO FINISH MY ANSWER. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE,... |
| 01:20:56 |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, SERGEANT MAJOR. MADAM CHAIR, I SEE THE LIGHT'S GETTING READY TO GO RED SO I'LL... |
| 01:21:04 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 01:21:06 |
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THANK YOU, CHAIR WOMAN DAVID, FOR HOLDING THIS LONG OVERDUE HEARING AN THANK YOU TO OUR WITNESSES... |
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YEM. THAT'S WHY I LIVED BASICALLY TWO LIVES. MY CONDUCT WAS EXEMPLARY, MY PERFORMANCE WAS SUFFICIENT... |
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THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN. I AGREE WITH CAPTAIN DARRAH, THE SAME. IN 13 YEARS OF SERVICE, MY ORIENTATION... |
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YET THIS IS ALSO A POLICY IN WHICH CONDUCT IS VERY BROADLY DEFINED. MERELY DECLARING YOUR SEXUAL ... |
| 01:24:17 |
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THE STATEMENTS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE IS NOT ACCURATE. THE LAW STATES I QUOTE, THE PROHIBITION... |
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THANK YOU. MISS SAUNDERS' TIME IS UP. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR WOMAN, FOR CALLING THIS HEARING. SERGEANT MAJOR JONES, JUST WANTED... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
| 01:26:41 |
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KEEPING OUR COUNTRY SAFE IS OUR NUMBER ONE -- CLEARLY, THE NUMBER ONE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS THIS... |
| 01:27:22 |
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NO, MA'AM, NOT AT ALL. IN FACT, I REALLY APPRECIATE HIS SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY AND I KNOW HE'S VERY... |
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I WOULD JUST CAUTION YOU IN THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOCKED IF YOU SAID, NO, I... |
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NO. |
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THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY TO IMPLY. |
| 01:28:07 |
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WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN BY THAT? |
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ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES. IF WE HAVE MORE TIME, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. AGAIN,... |
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I WASN'T BORN THEN BUT I DO KNOW -- I REMEMBER IN HIGH SCHOOL. I REMEMBER WHEN FRIENDS OF MINE WERE... |
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WE'RE PROUD OF THEM. |
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WHEN YOU MAKE IT A SEXUAL ISSUE. |
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RECLAIMING MY TIME. |
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PARDON? |
| 01:29:47 |
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RECLAIMING MY TIME. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE -- QUITE HONESTLY, MANY OF THE SAME ARGUMENTS WERE PUT FORTH... |
| 01:30:25 |
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THEY WERE JUST WRONG. PREJUDICE IS WRONG. FEELINGS ABOUT SEXUALITY IS DIFFERENT. |
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THEY WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT PREJUDICE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT UNIT COHESION. THEY WEREN'T MAKING A... |
| 01:30:39 |
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YES. |
| 01:30:41 |
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HOW WOULD YOU HAVE SAID -- |
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DO YOU THINK IT WOULD HAVE -- DO YOU THINK THEIR ARGUMENTS ABOUT UNIT COHESION ARE VALID OR NOT VALID?... |
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PREJUDICE IS WRONG. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RACIAL PREJUDICE. |
| 01:30:56 |
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I'M NOT ASKING YOU ABOUT THAT -- |
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I'M SAYING -- |
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RECLAIMING MY TIME JUST A MOMENT. THE WHOLE ARGUMENT ON COHESION, I'M ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION... |
| 01:31:29 |
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PREJUDICE IS BAD FOR UNIT COHESION. YOU DO THINGS FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE MILITARY. WHAT WE'RE... |
| 01:31:40 |
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YOU DIDN'T -- |
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I WANT TO -- |
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WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING THEN IS IT DID NOT AFFECT UNIT COHESION ALTHOUGH MANY PEOPLE SAID THAT. |
| 01:31:48 |
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I ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AT LEAST THREE TIMES. |
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I WILL MOVE ON. FRS |
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THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING AND THANK ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE SERVED... |
| 01:34:11 |
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GENERAL COLEMAN, MISS DONNELLY REFERS TO THE PASSIVE OF THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE DON'T ASK DON'T TELL... |
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THEY HAVE A POLICY WHETHER STRAIGHT OR GAY. IT IS AN EXERCISE OF LEADERSHIP. AND LEADERSHIP DOES THAT... |
| 01:35:51 |
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THANK YOU. I HEARD A LOT IN THIS TESTIMONY TODAY THAT HAS SHOCKED ME AND SURPRISED ME INCLUDING LOTS... |
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THIS MAY SURPRISE YOU, I DISAGREE WITH DON'T ASK DON'T TELL ALSO. |
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YOU DISAGREE WITH IT IN A VERY NARROW WAY. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE,... |
| 01:37:28 |
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ACTUALLY, I'M NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE IN THE MILITARY BECAUSE I DON'T MEET ELIGIBILITY STANDARDS OF THE... |
| 01:37:35 |
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EXCUSE ME, MISS TAUSCHER, YOUR TIME IS UP. WE CAN COME BACK HOPEFULLY IN ANOTHER ROUND. |
| 01:37:42 |
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MR. SHEA? |
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THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND ALLOWING ME TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY. I HAVE BEEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE... |
| 01:40:46 |
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I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT POLICY. |
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ANSWER MY QUESTION, PLEASE. YOU'RE A WITNESS BEFORE US. |
| 01:40:54 |
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THE SERVICE OF CAPTAIN DARRAH, COLEMAN AND ALVA, EVERYONE WHO SERVED IN THE MILITARY. |
| 01:41:03 |
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HOW DO YOU RESPECT THEIR SERVICE? YOU WANT THEM OUT? |
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I'M HERE FOR SOUND POLICY. |
| 01:41:09 |
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CAN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION? MY QUESTION IS THIS. |
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I'M TRYING TO ANSWER YOU. |
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LET ME MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT MY QUESTION IS. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? LET... |
| 01:41:34 |
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MR. SHEA, IN THE MILITARY, WE DON'T MAKE POLICY ON INDIVIDUALS. WE HAVE GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO SERVE... |
| 01:41:55 |
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YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING |
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I'M ANSWERING. ? NO. I WANT MY TIME BACK AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH YOU. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SHE... |
| 01:42:17 |
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YOU'RE SAYING THAT CYNTHIA YOST, WHO WROTE A LETTER TO THIS COMMITTEE, IF SHE IS ASSAULTED BY A GROUP... |
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THEN THE LESBIANS SHOULD BE LET OUT. THE LESBIAN SHOULD BE LET OUT. THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN. THEY... |
| 01:42:47 |
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YOU JUST MADE MY POINT. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THREE TIMES AS MANY INCIDENCE OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. |
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WE DON'T HAVE THREE TIMES AS |
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THREE TIMES AS MUCH -- |
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I DON'T KNOW OF ANY MISCONDUCT OF MISS DARRAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY -- |
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MR. SHAYS, YOUR TIME IS UP. I WILL MOVE. |
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THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. |
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THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. I DON'T HAVE ANY -- I COULDN'T ASK IT BETTER THAN YOU DID, SIR, SO I JUST HAVE... |
| 01:46:51 |
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THANK YOU. WE WILL GO ON TO ANOTHER ROUND, IF -- MR. GINGRED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION? |
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MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. |
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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL START AGAIN. WE'LL TRY AND GET AROUND. I DON'T... |
| 01:48:53 |
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I WOULD SAY, AT THE MOMENT, THE SITUATION YOU HAVE FOR A GAY PERSON, IF THEY'RE HAPPENED TO BE HARASSED,... |
| 01:49:28 |
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YES. |
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I DON'T HAVE -- I WAS THINKING, THAT PRIOR TO 1993, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAYS IN THE MILITARY.... |
| 01:50:39 |
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SERGEANT MAJOR JONES, ARE YOU SUGGESTING PERHAPS PEOPLE WOULD BE ASKING FOR POLICIES THAT WOULD PROTECT... |
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I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A VERY HONEST ANSWER. I'M GOING TO BASE IT ON THE EXPERIENCE I'VE HAD AS LEADERSHIP,... |
| 01:52:06 |
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I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ASKED, IF YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE NOT UP TO THAT TASK? |
| 01:52:13 |
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YES, THEY ARE. |
| 01:52:14 |
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THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE SERVICE IS NOT SUCH THAT -- |
| 01:52:20 |
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YES, THEY ARE UP TO THE TASK. THE AVERAGE AMERICAN SOLDIER CAN COMPLETE ANY TASK ASSIGNED TO THEM... |
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I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE. MY TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. |
| 01:53:05 |
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MR. McHUGH. |
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MADAM CHAIR, I'M NOT SURE I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. I THINK, AFTER HAVING SAT HERE FOR SOME TWO HOURS,... |
| 01:54:15 |
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I SAID IN MY STATEMENT, IT'S HARD FOR ME WHEN I SEE YOUNG ENERGETIC, PATRIOTIC GAY KIDS, I WANT TO... |
| 01:54:28 |
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I UNDERSTAND. AS I SAID FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE NET EFFECT OF IT.... |
| 01:57:15 |
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THANK YOU, MR. McHUGH. |
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THANK YOU. CAPTAIN DARRAH, YOU INTRODUCED YOUR PARTNER, I'M SORRY, I OVERTALKED. WHAT WAS HER NAME... |
| 01:57:25 |
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LYNN KENNEDY. |
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HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL BEEN TOGETHER? YOU SAID IN YOUR STATEMENTS? |
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NOW, 17 1/2 YEARS. |
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DOES MISS KENNEDY HAVE ANYTHING SHE'D LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT THOSE STRESSES, WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR HER?... |
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BASED ON THE PAST TWO DAY, SHE MIGHT HAVE LIKED IT BETTER WHEN SHE WAS NOT PART OF MY LIFE. |
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I'LL TAKE THAT AS, NO, SHE WOULDN'T. MISS DONNELLY, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, ONE OF THE -- I THINK THE... |
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NO. BECAUSE THE CIVILIAN WORLD, PEOPLE DON'T LIVE TOGETHER, THEY DON'T COHABIT TOGETHER. |
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YOU MISSED MY POINT, DIDN'T YOU, MISS DONNELLY? I JUST GAVE YOU THE SITUATION, SCENARIO OVERSEAS,... |
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DO YOU MIND IF I COMMENT ON IT? BECAUSE I WAS A DOD CIVILIAN IN IRAQ IN 2004. |
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MISS DONNELLY IS THE ONE WHO MADE A PRETTY RECENT ARGUMENT. |
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I HAD EXPERIENCE. |
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I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU THE BEST ANSWER YOU CAN HAVE. |
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ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. MY QUESTION IS, IS IT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, SERGEANT MAJOR JONES, THAT ALL CIVILIAN,... |
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I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE |
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I DO, TOO. THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE, THEN, WITH MISS DONNELLY'S ARGUMENT, IS IT IS OKAY, FORCED COHABITATION... |
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THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU MY TAKE ON THAT, SIR, AS I STATED, I DID SERVE OVER THERE IN 2004... |
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YOU MISSED MY POINT. WHAT I SET THIS UP WITH, THEY CLEARLY DO. YOU MAY NOT HAVE, I'M NOT SAYING EVERY... |
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DR. -- |
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I'M NOT AWARE THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE COHABITING WITH CONGRESSMAN FRANKS. |
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I'M NOT EITHER. WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. MISS DONNELLY, YOU FINALLY FOUND IT, AFTER TWO HOURS, WE HAVE... |
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MR. MURPHY. |
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THANKS, MISS CHAIR WOMAN. I WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT MISS TAUSCHER AND MR. SESTAK'S EARLIER REMARKS. ... |
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IN ORDER TO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS TRANSLATED WE NEED THE DEFENSE LANGUAGE INSTITUTE, TRAINING PEOPLE... |
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WE DID. THERE WAS 58 ACTUALLY TRAINED AND WERE THROWN OUT OF THE MILITARY. |
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WHO'S THE BEST LINGUIST, BY THE WAY, WE NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD LINGUISTS, NOT NECESSARILY SHOULD... |
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LET'S BE STRAIGHT HERE. LET'S BE STRAIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT... |
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WE NEED TO FIND THE LINGUISTS. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY WORKING ON THAT. I COME FROM A COMMUNITY... |
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UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN THE ARMED SERVICES. WE WILL HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL DISAGREEMENT... |
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CONGRESSMAN AS A DAUGHTER OF A SUBMARINER, DO YOU THINK THEY'D BE MORE WILLING TO JOIN A SUBMARINE... |
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YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION, I WILL ANSWER IT. USUALLY, IT COMES FROM THE OTHER SIDE. THE FACT IS I HAVE... |
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THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT I GREW UP IN A HOUSEHOLD BOTH MY PARENTS WERE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR WOMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH THE REMARKS OF MR. McHUGH. I THINK... |
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NO. I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. AS I'VE SAID, AS THE GOOD CONGRESSWOMAN POINTED OUT, YOU CAN'T HELP... |
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LET ME ASK A QUESTION AND MAYBE THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL. IF SOMEBODY -- IF WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO'S A FIRST... |
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THE REASON I'M HERE AND WHAT I BELIEVE IS TRUE ACROSS THE ARMED FORCES IS IT COMES TO A QUESTION OF... |
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LET ME CLARIFY THEN. IF THIS WERE IN A DIFFERENT TIME, YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH GETTING RID OF DON'T... |
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I CAN'T ANSWER TO THAT DIFFERENT TIME BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE IN THE FUTURE. WHAT I CAN SEE IS WHERE WE'RE... |
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IT SOUNDS AS IF WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, THOUGH, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT THE -- NOT ABOUT THE POLICY,... |
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NO. CHANGE IS GOOD. BUT YOU HAVE TO PICK THE RIGHT CHANGE FOR THE RIGHT TIME. I'VE SEEN IT AT TOO... |
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I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY AGAIN, YOU'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING OF THIS THAN THE ACTUAL POLICY... |
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YOU'RE ASKING ME A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT I WILL FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. WE HEARD THAT THE... |
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THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON. MISS TAUSCHER? |
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SERGEANT MAJOR JONES, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT THIS TWO HOURS AND 20 MINUTES THAT WE'VE SPENT... |
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YES. |
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WE'RE GOOD MULTITASKERS, WE CAN ACTUALLY DO MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME. |
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I UNDERSTAND THAT. |
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AFTER 15 YEARS OF NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME TO HAVE... |
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I DIDN'T MEAN TO COME ACROSS LIKE THAT. |
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WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT HAVING THE MOST PERFECT UNION. WE HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL... |
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YES. |
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A LITTLE OVERUSED NOW, NOT APPRECIATED AS MUCH AS IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO... |
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NOT SURPRISED. RACIAL INTEGRATION, AS GENERAL COLEMAN SAID, STARTED IN THE MILITARY. WE'RE NOT PERFECT... |
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YES. |
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DO YOU BELIEVE THE PRESENCE OF OPENLY GAY SOLDIERS WOULD HAVE COMPROMISED THAT MISSION IN SOMALIA?... |
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NO, NOT AT ALL. JUST AS IN IRAQ, I HAD CONFIDED IN SEVERAL MARINES IN MY PLATOON THAT I WAS GAY. ... |
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DO YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, CAPTAIN DARRAH, TO CHARACTERIZE ANYBODY'S WORK ENVIRONMENT, AS SEXUALIZED?... |
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I'M GOING TO TO LET -- MR. SHEA, IF YOU CAN, CAN THEY ANSWER THAT ON PART OF YOUR TIME? |
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I'D LIKE TO ASK MY QUESTION. |
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I'M BEING VERY STRICT, AS YOU CAN SEE BUT WE HAVE VOTES COMING UP BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HER ANSWER... |
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IF YOU WANT TO ASK HER. I HAVE TO PUT IT UNDER YOUR TIME. |
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I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. STILL WRESTLING WITH ANYONE ON THIS PANEL SAYING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY... |
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YES, SIR, I'M NOT DENYING THAT. |
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WE'RE HAVING THIS HEARING, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE, IF BY NOT ALLOWING GAYS TO SERVE, ARE... |
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THANK YOU, MR. SHAYS. IN FOLLOWING UP WITH THE LAST QUESTION, YOU HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES. I THINK... |
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I MENTIONED WHEN I WAS THE DEPUTY AND CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE NAVAL INTELLIGENCE COMMAND I HAD ABOUT... |
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THANK YOU. WE'VE COME TO THE END OF THE HEARING. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING HERE, SINCERELY,... |
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