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ATTORNEY GENERAL MICHAEL MUKASEY RENEWED HIS CALL FOR LEGISLATION GOVERNING THE TRIALS OF GUANTANAMO... |
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THE BANKRUPTRY SI LAWS AND INTELLECTUAL LAWS AND IMMIGRATION LAWS AS WELL AS REPRESENTING THE GOVERNMENT... |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR APPEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE FOR THE SECOND TIME, PERHAPS FOR THE LAST... |
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MR. CHAIR MAN? |
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THANK YOU. YES. |
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WOULD YOU YIELD TO A COLLOQUY? A BRIEF COLLOQUY? |
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ABSOLUTELY NOT. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BRINGS A A LONG DISTINGUISHED BACKGROUND TO THE DEPARTMENT OF... |
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I'D LIKE TO OUTLINE BRIEFLY TWO AREAS THATLY FOCUS ON DURING THE SIX MONTHS REMAINING IN THIS ADMINISTRATION.... |
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SECOND, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THE ELECTION SEASON IS UPON US. ALTHOUGH STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE... |
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THANK YOU. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES TO BEGIN THE QUESTIONING THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE JERRIE NADLER... |
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MR. CHAIR MAN I DON'T MEAN TO PLACE A MATTER THAT'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS BUT DID YOU WANT ME TO TAKE... |
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NO, DID NOT REQUIRE THAT. JERRY NADLER. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND I HOPE I CAN BE BRIEF. THE FIRST ONE IS... |
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I HAVE NOT INVESTIGATED THAT MYSELF. I THINK PART OF THAT QUESTION INVOLVES WHETHER THE METHODS EMPLOYED... |
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DO YOU THINK SOMEONE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. |
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I THINK A LOOK HAS BEEN TAKEN OR HAVE BEEN TAKEN. I'M NOT SPECIFICALLY AWARE OF THAT AS I SIT HERE.... |
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CAN YOU LET US KNOW? |
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I WILL TAKE A LOOK. |
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THANK YOU. ONE OTHER THING. THE KBHIET TEE HAS ISSUED AN SPP FOR ALL ISSUES OF OLC ON ISSUES OF NATIONAL... |
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WITHOUT GETTING INTO PARTICULAR OPINIONS, THERE ARE TWO CONSIDERATIONS THAT RELATE TO OLC OPINIONS.... |
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UNCLASSIFIED. |
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UNCLASSIFIED OPINIONS. OLC OPINIONS ARE THERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS COME TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR ADVICE.... |
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BUT THAT -- EXCUSE ME. BUT THAT'S, IN EFFECT, A CLAIM OF CONSECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. THAT'S THE EXECUTIVE... |
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IT'S NOT THE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. IT'S THE DELIBERATE RAIVE PRIV LETHBRIDGE IF THAT'S WHAU YOU'RE... |
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ARE YOU ASSERTING. |
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I'M NOT ASSERTING. I'M EXPLAINING THAT THE DEALERSHIP RAT PROCESS IS WHAT YOU MAY CALL -- IT MAY BE... |
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WHATEVER THE GOOD REASON AND I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE THE REASON, BUT IF IT'S NOT -- IF IT'S NOT PROTECTED... |
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I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE AUTHORIZED TO KEEP IN CONFIDENCE REQUESTS FOR ADVICE AND THE ADVICE THAT WE... |
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I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING. I DO NOT AGREE AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO PRO E PROVIDE TO THIS COMMITTEE... |
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THE BASIS ADDITIONAL TO THE BASIS I ALREADY ARTICULATED. |
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WELL, WITH SOME CITATIONS. WE WE KNOW THAT MANY STATES NOW GOING BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS ARE... |
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VERY BROADLY AND VERY NARROWLY, THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO... |
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THANK YOU. I SEE MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. THE CHAIRMAN WILL ADMONISH ME SHORTLY. |
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THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. I HAVE A CUPS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RA MID YAND VERSUS PREEM COURT... |
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I DO FEEL THAT IT'S URGENT. ACTUALLY HE ISSUED THAT STATEMENT AFTER THE SPEECH THAT I GAVE URGING... |
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RIGHT. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THAT RULING. |
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WHY IS THERE A SENSE URGENCY, WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE PRINCIPLES BUT JUST WHAT ARE THE RISKS INVOLVED... |
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THE ULTIMATE RISK IS BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE DECISION-FINDER HAS TO BE ABLE TO DIRECT RELEASE. THE ULTIMATE... |
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THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. LET ME GO BACK TO THE FIRST OF YOUR TWO POINTS. FIRST WAS SOME OF... |
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THERE IS ALWAYS THAT POSSIBILITY. WE HAVE -- OBVIOUSLY SO FAR IT HASN'T HAPPENED. SO FAR I DON'T... |
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OKAY. THANK U,U, M MR. ATTORNEYY GENENERAL. THANYOU, MR.CHCHRMANAN |
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EHAIRMANN O OF THEHE CMEME MMITTEE, MR.R. BOBOTOTT. |
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THANK YOU M CHAIR M MAN AND ANANK YO MR. ATTORYY GENERAL, FOR BEING WITH US TOTODAY. I HAD A COUE... |
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WITHOUT WISHING TO CONVICT ANYBODY BEFORE TRIAL, WE HAVE SO FAR CHARGED MORE THAN 400 DEFENDANTS IN... |
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THANK YOU. AND ANOTHER ISSUE. YOU'RE AWARE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL BILLS PENDING DEALING WITH THE... |
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I THINK WHAT WORKS IS A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. THERE'S NO ONE PARTICULAR SOLUTION. WHAT WE TRY TO... |
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AND IF YOU COULD -- IF YOU'VE DONE ANY IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND CAN PROVIDE US GUIDANCE ON THAT, THAT... |
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MY NEXT QUESTION IS IN REGARD TO THE FEDERAL PRISONS. WE CENTLY HAD TO APPROPRIATE MONEY IN WHAT WE... |
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WELL, I THINK I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO EXPRESS RELIEF AT A SUPPLEMENTAL. THAT'S IN EXCESS OF WHAT WAS ... |
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WITH REGARD TO PRISON INDUSTRIES, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM, NOT SIMPLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN... |
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NOW BECAUSE OF THE STAFFING LEVEL? |
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WE THINK THAT WE'VE GOT THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL, BUT IT'S BARELY UNDER CONTROL. THE PRISON POPULATION... |
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HOWARD KOVALL, RANKING MEMBER OF THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY COMMITTEE. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. CHAIR MAN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON THE HILL. THE DISTINGUISHED MAN FROM TEXAS... |
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I CAN DO IT IN A GENERAL WAY. THE FACT IS THAT WE'RE FACING ON AN INTERNATIONAL LEVEL MORE AND MORE... |
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AND IF YOU COULD PRESENT ADDITIONAL DETAILS, I WOULD BE APPRECIATIVE OF THIS. |
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I WOULD DO THAT. |
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EARLIER PRESIDENT BUSH SIGNED THE SECOND CHANCE ACT INTO LAW. THIS LEGISLATION HAS BROAD SUPPORT AND... |
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I -- I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. |
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DO YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP ADDRESSING THE SKY ROCKETING PROP PROBLEM OF RECIDIVISM,... |
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I AGREE THAT IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP. THE RECIDIVISM RATE IN FEDERAL PRISONS IS A GOOD DEAL LOWER ... |
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I CONCUR. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT PRISON OVERCROWDING MAY BE ONE OF THE MOST PRESSING DOMESTIC PROBLEMS... |
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IT'S MUCH MORE SERIOUS ON THE STATE LEVEL THAN IT IS ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE AVAIL OURSELVES OF NOT... |
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I THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT YOU TO TAKE NOTE. I'M MEETS THE ILLUMINATION OF THE RED LIGHT. |
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YOU USUAL I DO DO. |
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THANK YOU, SIR. |
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THANK YOU. |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE CHAIRMAN OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, BUT A SENIOR... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR MAN, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. BACK ON APRIL 23rd OF THIS YEAR, THE DIRECTOR OF THE... |
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I'VE REVIEWED THE JURISDICTION OF THE VARIOUS -- I THINK 11 OR 12 DIVISIONS UNDER THE ATTORNEY E GENERAL,... |
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THE COUNTRY HAS ENFORCED LAWS THAT REQUIRE THAT BEFORE PEOPLE ARE SENT ABROAD, WE RECEIVE ASSURANCES... |
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THE CONCERN IS I ASKED THE F BII DIRECTOR TO GIVE ME ALL THE INFORMATION. WE GOT ONE PARAGRAPH ABOUT... |
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I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CASE BEFORE I COMMENT ON THE CASE. I -- |
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OKAY. |
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ONE THING I'VE LEARNED FROM PAST BITTER EXPERIENCE. |
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YEAH. AND THAT'S -- YOU KNOW THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED THE DIRECTOR OF THE FBI TO DO. UNFORTUNATELY... |
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HE'S A VERY DILIGENT GUY BUT IN THIS CASE I HOPE TO BE BETTER IN PERFORMING. |
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THAT WOULD BE -- IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF THE DEPARTMENT THOUGHT THAT FLYING SOMEBODY OUT OF THE... |
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I WILL INCLUDE THAT. |
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-- CORRESPOND. |
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I WILL INCLUDE THAT. |
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THE ONE PART OF THE VOTING PROCESS THIS YEAR THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT BECAUSE... |
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THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES. WE ANTICIPATE A MUCH HIGHER TURNOUT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. |
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THE SENIOR RANKING -- SENIOR MEMBER OF JUDICIARY FROM CALIFORNIA, ELTON GAGAGE. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELCOME, GENERAL McCASSIE YI. |
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THANK YOU. |
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RECENTLY WE FOUND THAT THE FBI DOES VARIOUS FORMS OF BACKGROUND CHECKS AND CHECKS AND SO FORTH AND... |
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THEY'RE ADDRESSING THE BACKLOG BY THROWING MORE PERSONNEL AT IT AND I THINK THEY HAVE GOTTEN IT DOWN,... |
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IS THERE CURRENTLY A BACKLOG IN THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK OF LEGAL ALANS. |
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THERE'S CURRENTLY SOME BACKLOG ACROSS THE BOARD, BE IT CRIMINAL CHECK, BE IT JUST CHECK ON BACKGROUND.... |
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THIS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT, BUT YOU KNOW IN RECENT MONTHS AND ACTUALLY RECENT YEARS THERE'S... |
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NOW? |
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WELL -- |
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NO. I MEAN IT'S LOGISTICALLY POSSIBLE I SUPPOSE OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, BUT IF YOU THROW... |
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I THINK -- I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY A RHETORICAL QUESTION. IN ANY EVENT, ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE... |
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I BELIEVE IT IS BINDING. I THINK IF SOMEBODY SAYS I'M GOING TO BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEBODY,... |
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WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH TO PERHAPS IN THE NEAR FUTURE HAVE YOUR STAFF GIVE US SOME TYPE OF A RECAP... |
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NOT STEPPING UP AND DOING -- |
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NOT TAKING THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ACTUALLY PURSUING IT? I COULD GIVE YOU EXAMPLES... |
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IN FAIRNESS I THINK THIS IS IN SOME PART THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DHS WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, HASSISM GRAGS... |
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OF COURSE, WHEN I HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A DHS, BUT WE DO NOW, AND I'D LIKE TO... |
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I DO NO. THERE'S BEEN A SUNNERING OF RESPONSIBILITIES. LET ME FIND OUT WHAT PART OF IT WE'VE GOT... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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CHAIRMAN ZOLOFTEN. |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIR MAN AND ATTORNEY GENERAL. GOOD TO SEE YOU. I HAVE QUESTIONSES REALLY ABOUT OUR... |
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I CAN ADDRESS THIS IN THIS WAY. YES, WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN MISDEMEANOR PROSECUTIONS. THE STRATEGY... |
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IF I CAN, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE STATISTICS WE GOT WERE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE DEPARTMENT, AND THE... |
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IN FAIRNESS, I THINK IT IS A MISTAKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT PROSECUTING DRUG DEALERS AND WE ARE PROSECUTING... |
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I APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S YOUR PHILOSOPHY. I DON'T THINK THAT THE STATISTICS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT BACK... |
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WE'RE TRYING TO SYSTEMIZE AND ORGANIZE THE WAY IN WHICH IMMIGRATION APPEALS ARE HANDLED, AND IT'S... |
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IF I COULD, I KNOW MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY FOR OUR DEPARTMENTS AND I'M SURE YOU'RE... |
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MY EXPERIENCE WITH BIA CASES IS THEY'RE RESOLVED ON THE MERITS IN A SERIOUS WAY. I DON'T SEE THEM... |
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WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CIRCUIT COURTS BELIEVE. THANK YOU. |
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STEVE CHABOT, FORMERLY RANKING MEMBER ON THE ANTITAVG FORCE JUDICIARY NOW RANKING ON THE SMALL BUSINESS... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. GENERAL MUKASEY, I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME QUESTIONS BACK IN FEBRUARY REGARDING... |
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THE SHORT ANSWER IS CAREFULLY APZ AND THEY'VE BEEN DISCUSSINGING IT IN PARTICULAR IN A VERY PARTICULAR... |
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THANK YOU. RELATED TO THE DELTA MERGER, MEMBERS OF THE OHIO DELEGATION SENT A LETTER TO YOU LAST MONTH... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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AND FINALLY ON JUNE 25th, SO JUST ABOUT A MONTH AGO, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN A LOUISIANA... |
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WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE FACT THAT THAT WAS IN THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE IS SOMETHING THAT... |
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OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'D URGE YOU TO JOIN THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE THAT... |
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THE DISTINGUISHED YOUNG LADY FROM TEXAS, CHAIR OF THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE AND HOMELAND SECURITY... |
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THANK YOU. IT'S AN IMPORTANT TIME WE SPEND WITH YOU IN OUR OVERSIGHT DUTIES AND FOR HOPING THE WORD... |
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WITHOUT o, SO ORDERED. |
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I WANT TO PUT INTO RECORD THE LETTER DEALING WITH THE ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS AIRPORT WHY THESE AHMANS... |
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I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT. |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION THEY ARE SO ORDERED. |
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LET ME GET TO THIS SO I CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS. WE'VE HAD A SERIES OF INZENSS URNLDS THE CRIMINAL LAWS... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. |
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I HAVE A FEBRUARY 7, 2008 LETTER REGARDING THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN HARRIS COUNTY, AND I BRIEFLY READ... |
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I CANNOT ENUMERATE FOR YOU NOW A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING DEVOTED TO THE PROBLEM THAT YOU RAISE.... |
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AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO IT'S YOUR OFFICE THAT INDICATED THAT THEY COULDN'T RESPOND.... |
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OR CIVIL RIGHTS. |
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OR CIVILITY RIGHTS WHO, BY THE WAY, IS NO LONGER IN THAT POSITION -- |
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I UNDERSTAND. |
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-- HE IS NOW AN EKSX-D.A. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE DESERVES TO BE AN EX-D.A. WE WILL PURSUE THAT. WITH... |
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I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE YOU'VE ARTICULATED THE HISTORY OF THE OFFICE BUT... |
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I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ARE RESPECT TO THAT ONE. |
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THANK YOU. |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THAT DAN LUNGREN WHO IS THE ONLY FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE ON THE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL. THANK YOU FOR APPEARING BEFORE US. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL... |
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DAY BEFORE, I BELIEVE. |
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-- YOU SPOKE AT SOME LENGTH ABOUT THIS, AND IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SPEECH, YOU SAID -- ONE OF THE QUESTIONS... |
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THE COURT HAS LEFT THAT MATTER OPEN AND IT HAS SAID AT THE THE END OF DAY IT MUST BE OPEN TO A DECISION-MAKER... |
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YOU ALSO MENTION IN YOUR SPEECH THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT AMERICAN MILITARY PEOPLE ON THE BATTLEFIELD... |
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I AM. THE COURT LEFT IT OPEN SPECIFICALLY AND SAID THAT THIS WAS TO BE APPROACHED IN A PRACTICAL... |
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AS I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE OVER 200 PEOPLE HELD CURRENTLY AT GUANTANAMO. THIS IS ONGOING, IN OTHER WORDS... |
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DOWN FROM 775. |
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RIGHT. BUT THIS IS ONGOING, REQUIRING CONGRESS TO ACT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. |
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KRECHLKT THESE -- ANOTHER THING THE SUPREME COURT SAID IS THAT THIS PROCESS HAD TO GO AHEAD QUICKLY... |
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I HOPE YOU HAVEN'T ASSUMED FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE, THAT IS, THAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING INTELLIGENT... |
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I THINK THEY ARE IN EVIDENCE. CONGRESS ACTED VERY QUICKLY TO PROTECT. IT AKED VERY QUICK HI TO ENACT... |
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I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. BACK TO YOU. |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLE LADY FROM CALIFORNIA, MAXINE WATER WHO CHAIRS THE HOUSING SUBCOMMITTEE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO... |
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WHEN YOU SAY 12,000 AGENTS, IS THAT -- |
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12,000 AGENTS IN THE FBI. |
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YES. |
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MY EXPERIENCE IS F BIBI HAS BEEN ENGAGED IN SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH AND MORE AND MORE FBI AGENTS ARE... |
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DO YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS? |
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I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS. I CAN GET THEM FOR YOU. |
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I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU HAVE DISCRIMINATION COMPLAINTS. HOW MANY ARE PENDING IN THE DEPARTMENT? |
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I DON'T KNOW OF THE PRECISE NUMBER THAT'S PENDING. THERE'S ONE THAT'S IN LITIGATION I CAN'T COMMENT... |
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WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RECRUITMENT KRKS YOU DESCRIBE YOUR OUTREACH AND RECRUITMENT EFFORTS? |
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WE GO TO UNIVERSITIES, WE GO TO SCHOOLS, WE'RE VALUATE APPLICATIONS ON THE MERITS. WE MAKE IT WELL... |
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DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A PROBLEM? |
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WE CAN ALWAYS DO MORE. |
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DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. |
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WE CAN ALWAYS DO MORE. |
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ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT ASIDE FROM THE KIND OF GENERIC ANSWER OF YOU CAN ALWAYS DO MORE THAT YOU I... |
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I'M NEVER IN THE BUSY OF BEING SATISFIED. I'M IN THE BUSINESS OF LOOKING FOR WAYS TO CREATE TALENT... |
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NO. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR CHAIRMAN IF WE COULD MAKE A REQUEST FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO GET A LIST... |
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DISCRIMINATION COMPLAINTS WITHIN THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION? |
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THERE ARE COMPLAINTS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. |
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WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. |
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DISCRIMINATION COMPLAINTS FROM AGENTS, AFRICAN-AMERICAN AGENTS, FROM WOMEN AGAINST THE DEPARTMENT,... |
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THAT SOMEWHAT BROADENS THE TARGET, BUT WHATEVER IS REQUESTED, IF WE CAN PROVIDE IT, WE'LL PROVIDE... |
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WOULD THE GENTLELADY YIELD. |
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YES, I WOULD YIELD. |
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I WOULD SEND THE LIST WHEN IT'S SENT. |
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I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S PROBABLY VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE ACTUAL INFORMATION. MR. MAO... |
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I'M NOT TAKING REFUGE BEHIND THE FACT THEY E-MAIL NEW. I EE GOING TA TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND IT MAY... |
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I'M BEING KIND FOR PROVIDING HIM WITH A AN EXCUSE FOR NOT KNOWING THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE ASKED HIM... |
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I'M GOING TO LET CHAIRMAN EE MARY RES OF THE CULTURE OF THE COMMITTEE. . |
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THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THE HEARING. GENERAL MUKASEY, WELCOME AND WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE... |
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I THINK ONE WAY WE HAVE HELPED ASSURE IT IS MAKING SURE THAT PROPER IDENTIFICATION IS REQUIRED BEFORE... |
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WELL, THANK YOU. AND RECENT EXPERIENCE UNDER INDIANA'S VOTER I.D. LAW SHOWS SUCH LAWS DO NOT DIMINISH... |
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I'M NOT TECHNYLY TRAINED SO I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE. I THINK ALL THAT STUDY KNOWS IS YOU DON'T CUT... |
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I AWE DEGREE. THE SEX REGARDING THE ILL GRAGS REFORM AND RESPONSIBILITY ACT OF 1986 BARS STATE AND... |
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WE'RE TRYING TO POLICE UNLAWFUL ALIENS IN THIS COUNTRY. WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO CONDUCT THEM WHEN... |
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AND THAT DILEMMA THAT YOU FACE COULD BE ENHANCED IF YOU HAD THE COOPERATION OF COMMUNITIES RATHER... |
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PRECISELY. |
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THANK YOU. ATTORNEY GENERAL. IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR YOU ANNOUNCED THE ALLOCATION OF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES... |
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WELL, THANK YOU. AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT. I THINK AMERICANS ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME RESULTS ALONG... |
| 01:30:35 |
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BOB WECHSLER, FLORIDA, MEMBER OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY SUBCOMMITTEE. |
| 01:30:39 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR APPEARING BEFORE US. I AM HOPEFUL... |
| 01:32:51 |
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LET ME EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM. THE FBI 302s WHICH YOU REFER TO, WHICH BY THE WAY VERY NOT TRANSCRIPTS.... |
| 01:34:15 |
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ARE YOU ASSERTING THAT THE FBI DID NOT INQUIRE WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT WITH RESPECT TO HIS ROLE IN... |
| 01:34:28 |
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I'M NOT GOING TO DISCLOSE THE SUBJECT OF THE FBI'S INQUIRIES BEYOND SAYING THAT THE SUBSTANCE OF THOSE... |
| 01:34:39 |
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IF THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DID, IN FACT, PARTICIPATE IN THE OUTING OF A COVERT C.I.A.... |
| 01:34:52 |
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I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT YOUR QUESTIONEMBODIES A COUNTER FACTUAL ASSUMPTION BECAUSE THE PROSECUTOR... |
| 01:35:04 |
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WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF INTERNAL WHITE HOUSE DELIBERATION? WHAT QUALIFIES? |
| 01:35:14 |
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WHAT QUALIFIES FOR EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE? DELIBERATIONS BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THOSE IMMEDIATELY... |
| 01:35:27 |
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SO A DISCUSSION WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT WITH FBI AGENTS UNDER THAT DEFINITION WOULD ONLY QUALIFY TO... |
| 01:35:40 |
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CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD WITHIN THE EXECUTIVE GENERALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADVISING THE PRESIDENT.... |
| 01:36:01 |
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THE VICE PRESIDENT'S PARTICIPATION, YES OR NO, WAS THE SUBJECT OF INQUIRY BY A PROSECUTOR. |
| 01:36:08 |
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I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS IT -- IS IT THE -- DOES IT QUALIFY FOR EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE? |
| 01:36:18 |
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IN THE ABSTRACT, NO. |
| 01:36:19 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. |
| 01:36:25 |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES RICK KELLER WHO SERVES THREE SUBCOMMITTEES ON JUDICIARY. THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA... |
| 01:36:34 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU GENERAL MUKASEY FOR BEING HERE TODAY. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE... |
| 01:37:49 |
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WITH GREAT RESPECT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE MEDIA SHIELD BILL AS PRESENTED THAT WOULD... |
| 01:38:29 |
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MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SPECIFICALLY DEALS... |
| 01:38:38 |
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THERE IS, IN FACT, A HIGHER STANDARD FOR PROSECUTING A LEAK CASE THAN THERE IS FOR ANY OTHER CASE... |
| 01:38:50 |
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WELL, YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE RANKING MEMBERS OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH THE CHAIRMAN... |
| 01:39:09 |
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY FELT OR DIDN'T FEEL. I KNOW WHAT'S IN THE BILL. AND WHAT'S IN THE BILL, FOR... |
| 01:39:33 |
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LET'S FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO QUARREL WITH YOU BUT I'M TRYING TO RESOLVE... |
| 01:39:38 |
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THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BILL. |
| 01:39:41 |
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WE CAN AGREE THAT 398 HOUSE MEMBERS VOTED FOR IT. I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT BOTH SENATOR OBAMA AND... |
| 01:39:56 |
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I WOULD AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE FACTS, AND I WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT TEN ANGELS SWEARING ON BIBLES THAT... |
| 01:40:07 |
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SO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTIONS. IF -- YOU GOT LESS THAN SIX MONTHS ON THE CLOCK WITH THE END OF... |
| 01:40:31 |
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I AM IN THE SAME POSITION AS A SOCIALIST CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT NAMED EUGENE WHO SAID I'LL TALK TO... |
| 01:40:49 |
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FOR THE REASONS I'VE STARTED TO EXPLAIN. |
| 01:40:51 |
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OKAY. |
| 01:40:52 |
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I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO EXPLAIN. |
| 01:40:54 |
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IF THERE IS LANGUAGE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO YOU THAT PROVIDES THE PROTECTIONS FOR NATIONAL SECURITY,... |
| 01:41:06 |
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IF ANYBODY CAN COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE THAT PROTECTS NATIONAL SECURITY, THAT ALLOWS... |
| 01:41:18 |
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OKAY. MY TIME IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE ON THE VIOLENT CRIME ISSUE. LET ME JUST MAKE A STATEMENT AND GIVE... |
| 01:41:53 |
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THE VSIT, THE VIOLENT CRIME IMPACT TEAMS ARE PART OF BUT NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE ANTI-GANG STRATEGY... |
| 01:42:27 |
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AND THE COPS PROGRAM, ANY THOUGHTS? |
| 01:42:31 |
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THE COPS PROGRAM IS ONE OF MANY PROGRAMS THAT CAN BE WORTH WHILE BUT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE PERPETUAL.... |
| 01:42:50 |
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THANK YOU. I WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO FOLLOW THAT LAST ONE UP, BUT MY TIME IS EXPIRED. THANK YOU FOR... |
| 01:43:02 |
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LINDA SANCHEZ, CHAIR OF ADMINISTRATION -- ADMINISTRATIVE LAW AND COMMERCE, AND A MEMBER OF IMMIGRATION... |
| 01:43:09 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, FOR BEING HERE TODAY. |
| 01:43:14 |
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GOOD MORNING. |
| 01:43:15 |
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GOOD MORNING. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS THAT -- OF QUESTIONING THAT I HAVE. I'M GOING... |
| 01:44:04 |
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AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MR. ROVE ACTED AT THE REQUEST OF THE PRESIDENT IN RESPONSE TO AN INVOCATION OF... |
| 01:44:14 |
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BUT HE'S NOT OFFERED TO BE UNDER OATH OR TO BE SUBJECT TO A TRANSCRIPT, AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM... |
| 01:44:34 |
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WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK THAT'S A MATTER THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING LITIGATED ON WHICH I CAN'T COMMENT... |
| 01:44:41 |
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BUT PRIOR CASE LAW HAS HELD THAT'S THE CASE. |
| 01:44:43 |
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DON'T KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT'S A MATTER THAT IS UNDER ACTIVE LITIGATION AND IT IS, I BELIEVE, SUBDUED... |
| 01:44:55 |
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-- CAN DISREGARD A JUDICIAL SUBPOENA IF WE WISH TO -- |
| 01:44:57 |
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THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE -- AN IMMEDIATE ADVISER TO THE PRESIDENT HAS TO APPEAR AT ALL WHEN A PROPER... |
| 01:45:14 |
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I THINK IF YOU BRUSH UP ON YOUR CASE LAW, YOU'LL FIND THAT PRIOR CASE LAW HOLDS THAT NOT TO BE THE... |
| 01:46:04 |
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WERE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AT THE TIME THEY WERE APPOINTED? |
| 01:46:07 |
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PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OR -- AND 23 WERE FORMER PROSECUTORS. AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, NEW... |
| 01:46:38 |
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WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE ENACTED IN -- OR PUT INTO PLACE IN MARCH OF 2008, AFTER CONSULTATION WITH... |
| 01:46:59 |
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE GUIDELINES WERE ISSUED ON THE EVE BEFORE A HEARING THAT WE WERE HOLDING... |
| 01:47:12 |
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I WAS UNAWARE OF THE HEARING. |
| 01:47:14 |
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AND FURTHER DLFRT MORE, THE GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR LACKING SUFFICIENT DETAIL TO REALLY... |
| 01:47:27 |
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WHY DON'T WE AWAIT THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE USING THE GUIDELINES AND FIND OUT WHETHER THEY WORK.... |
| 01:47:32 |
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WELL, SO FAR WE'VE NOT SEEN ANY INSTANCE OF AN OPEN AND FAIR AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS BY WHICH MONITORS... |
| 01:47:45 |
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IT IS NOT. WHAT HAPPENS IS, WHAT'S REQUIRED UNDER THE GUIDELINES, WITH REGARD -- WHEN YOU GET TO THE... |
| 01:47:53 |
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THESE ARE THE NEW GUIDELINES THAT JUST GOT ENACTED. GOT RELEASED. |
| 01:47:58 |
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IT'S A PANEL OF AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE FOR WHOM A SELECTION IS MADE. THAT PERSON HAS TO BE APPROVED... |
| 01:48:06 |
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BUT WILL WE -- |
| 01:48:10 |
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AND THE MONEY THAT COMES TO FUND A -- SOMEBODY WHO SERVES IN THAT POSITION, IS PAID NOT BY THE PUBLIC,... |
| 01:48:17 |
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WE UNDERSTAND. BUT THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS TO WHOM THAT MONITOR OWED A DUTY. IS IT TO THE GOVERNMENT,... |
| 01:48:32 |
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THAT MONITOR OWES A DUTY TO THE DUTY THAT HE UNDERTAKES TO ACT IN A FAIR, OPEN AND TRANSPARENT WAY.... |
| 01:48:48 |
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AND THEY ALSO ARE PAID OFTENTIMES VERY LUCRATIVELY. I WOULD JUST SAY THIS BECAUSE MY TIME HAS EXPIRED.... |
| 01:49:25 |
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THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL STAND IN RECESS FOR EIGHT MINUTES. |
| 01:50:15 |
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THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA,... |
| 01:50:34 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT'S AN HONOR TO SERVE ON THOSE COMMITTEES WITH YOU. GENERAL, A COUPLE OF... |
| 01:51:22 |
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CONGRESSMAN ISSA, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONTROVERSY OR COMMENT ON WHAT GOOD OR WHAT... |
| 01:51:54 |
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GENERAL, IN YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE, IF YOU WANT TO GET TO THE TRUTH, DON'T YOU USUALLY TRY TO GET A... |
| 01:52:24 |
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I GUESS -- AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTRAMURAL DISPUTE. THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS... |
| 01:52:42 |
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GENERAL, I DIDN'T PLAN ON ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. BUT SINCE MS. SANCHEZ DID, I THOUGHT I'D TRY TO... |
| 01:53:26 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. |
| 01:53:28 |
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HAVING DISPENSED WITH AT LEAST QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT DO NOT ASSERT EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, GENERAL,... |
| 01:54:49 |
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I THINK WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL OR STARTING TO CRITICIZE INDIVIDUAL NEWSPAPERS -- |
| 01:54:55 |
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SEE, I AM NOT RESTRAINED FROM SAYING ERIC LITBLOU AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO LEAKED NATIONAL SECRETS.... |
| 01:55:03 |
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THEY ULTIMATELY GET EVEN BY WRITING YOUR OBITUARY, SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. |
| 01:55:09 |
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I'M FROM A FAMILY OF LONG LIVERS. |
| 01:55:14 |
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WITH NEWSPAPERS. BUT WHEN A STATUTE AND AN OBLIGATION IS DISCLOSED BY THE GOVERNMENT THAT ELECTRIC... |
| 01:58:03 |
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THE MEMBER THREE SUBCOMMITTEES ON JUDICIARY. |
| 01:58:05 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD AFTERNOON. |
| 01:58:10 |
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GOOD AFTERNOON, GENERAL. EARLIER YOU DISCUSSED THE ISSUE OF GUANTANAMO AND USED THE WORD URGENCY TO... |
| 01:58:41 |
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YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE WEAVERS? |
| 01:58:45 |
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IM TALKING ABOUT 45 -- 45 DETAINEES WHOM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HAS CLEARED FOR RELEASE WHO ARE... |
| 01:58:59 |
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AND IF THERE ARE 45 AND I TAKE YOUR WORD AT THAT NUMBER. |
| 01:59:02 |
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LET ME SUGGEST THAT 45 LIST WAS GIVEN TO JUDGE HOGAN ON THIS PAST MONDAY. |
| 01:59:08 |
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I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT'S ACCURATE. THE FACT REMAINS THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RELEASE PEOPLE UNLESS... |
| 01:59:20 |
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WHEN THEY GET TO -- |
| 01:59:21 |
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AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT -- |
| 01:59:23 |
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AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN MAKING HEROIC EFFORTS AT PLACING PEOPLE. AND IT HAS BEEN, THUS FAR,... |
| 01:59:40 |
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THERE'S 270-PLUS DETAINEES CURRENTLY AT GUANTANAMO. |
| 01:59:43 |
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I THINK THERE ARE SLIGHTLY FEWER THAN THAT. BUT IN ANY EVENT -- |
| 01:59:49 |
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BUT WE FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION AS A NATION WHERE WE ARE DETAINING AT LEAST 45 INDIVIDUALS WHO... |
| 02:00:08 |
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YES. |
| 02:00:17 |
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OKAY. |
| 02:00:18 |
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THOSE CLEARED DO NOT NECESSARILY GO TO WHAT HAVOC THEY CAN CAUSE IF THEY CAME HERE. THEY DO A WHOLE... |
| 02:00:25 |
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OTHER COUNTRIES THEY COULD CREATE HAVOC? |
| 02:00:27 |
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NO, OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE THEY COULD NOT. |
| 02:00:30 |
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WHERE THEY COULD NOT CREATE HAVOC? |
| 02:00:33 |
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CORRECT. |
| 02:00:35 |
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SO THAT HAVOC WILL BE LIMITED BY GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES? |
| 02:00:38 |
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IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THOSE PEOPLE WERE PICKED UP BY MISTAKE OR THAT THEY HAVE CEASED TO BE... |
| 02:00:46 |
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BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE IS WILLING TO RELEASE THEM IF THEY ARE STILL DANGEROUS. |
| 02:00:50 |
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THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE IS WILLING TO RELEASE THEM UNDER CONTROLLED CONDITIONS. IF THEY CAN BE PUT... |
| 02:02:08 |
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YOU LEFT OUT A FREEZE. |
| 02:02:09 |
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GIVE ME THE PHRASE. |
| 02:02:11 |
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AT THIS TIME. |
| 02:02:12 |
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AT THIS TIME. OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAVE INSPECTOR JERNLS THAT HAVE STATED THAT IN THEIR OPINION, IT IS... |
| 02:03:38 |
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NOT CERTAIN I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I'M REALLY NOT. YOU SAY ARE YOU PREPARED, ASSUMING THAT I BELIEVE... |
| 02:03:48 |
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YOUR PREPARED TO SAY THERE WERE SUFFICIENT ASSURANCES ON THE PART OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE GOVERNMENT... |
| 02:04:15 |
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THERE WAS A CLASSIFIED BRIEFING TO THE AUTHORS AVAILABLE -- TO THE AUTHORS OF THAT LETTER AS TO WHAT... |
| 02:04:25 |
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LET ME SUGGEST -- |
| 02:04:27 |
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THERE CAN'T BE ANY CHANGE IN THE NATURE OF WHAT ASSURANCES WERE RECEIVED. THINGS HAPPEN ONE WAY. ... |
| 02:04:49 |
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IT WAS AVAILABLE. I DID NOT ATTEND THE CLASSIFIED BRIEFING BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION... |
| 02:05:28 |
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THEY WERE PROVIDED -- I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION EITHER. AND SO I WON'T.... |
| 02:05:40 |
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OKAY, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, I WOULD LIKE -- |
| 02:05:43 |
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AND I ALSO FIND IT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT UNLIKELY THAT SOMEBODY WOULD HOPE TO GET ANYTHING OUT OF ANYTHING... |
| 02:06:00 |
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WELL, I AM -- LET ME EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO YOU MAKING THAT STATEMENT. I AM STILL TRYING TO FIGURE... |
| 02:06:10 |
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HE WAS A JOINT -- I MEAN, HE WAS A JOINT CANADIAN/SYRIAN |
| 02:06:14 |
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IND THAT. |
| 02:06:17 |
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SENDING HIM TO CANADA COULD HAVE POSED A DANGER TO THIS COUNTRY. SENDING HIM TO SYRIA WAS SAFER PROVIDE... |
| 02:06:25 |
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TO BE PERFECTLY CANDID -- |
| 02:06:29 |
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THE TIME. |
| 02:06:31 |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM INDIANA, MIKE PENCE, WHO SERVES ON INTELLECTUAL... |
| 02:06:42 |
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THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, WELCOME TO THE |
| 02:06:44 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 02:06:46 |
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LET ME THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXCEPTIONAL LEADERSHIP ON THE RECENT BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE ON THE FOREIGN... |
| 02:11:06 |
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NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. I SAID IT WOULDN'T CHANGE WHAT'S IN THE BILL. |
| 02:11:09 |
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WOULDN'T CHANGE WHAT'S ON N THE BILL. LET ME SAY IF TEN ANGELS SWEARING ON BIBLES WOULDN'T CHANGE... |
| 02:13:42 |
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I'M GOING TO ASK FOR LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE FROM THE CHAIR. SAY A MINUTE, MINUTE AND A HALF TO RESPOND... |
| 02:14:06 |
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SO DO I. |
| 02:14:07 |
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TWO OF THE POINTS YOU MENTIONED. ONE THAT WAS SLIGHTLY ALLIEDED WHICH WAS SHOWING THAT THE INFORMATION... |
| 02:15:27 |
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THANK YOU, GENERAL. AND I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR HIS INDULGENCE. |
| 02:15:33 |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES STEVE COHEN OF TENNESSEE WHO SERVES ON THE COMMERCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE LAW... |
| 02:15:44 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND GENERAL, I APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING THIS POSITION AND IMPROVING THE IMAGE... |
| 02:16:02 |
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WHICH I WILL. |
| 02:16:04 |
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THANK YOU. THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN HAS, I THINK, ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF SEATS AS WE, DO BUT THEY... |
| 02:16:15 |
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SORRY TO SEE THERE'S LESS INTEREST IN OUR TEAM THAN THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN. |
| 02:16:19 |
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WE HAVE EMPHASIZED ACADEMICS MORE, I GUESS. |
| 02:16:30 |
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GENTLEMAN'S WORDS WILL BE TAKEN DOWN. |
| 02:16:35 |
|
WHOOPS. |
| 02:16:37 |
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YES, PLEASE. PAUL MINER, AN ATTORNEY FROM MISSISSIPPI, IS IN PRISON NOW AND WE'VE DISCUSSED HIS CASE... |
| 02:17:37 |
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WELL, IF OPR IS CONDUCTING AN INQUIRY, AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE, THEN I THINK I WILL AWAIT -- I HAVE... |
| 02:18:16 |
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I THINK HE'S NOWHERE NEAR THE RELEASE DATE AND I THINK POSSIBLY YOU SHOULD REVIEW THE POLICY. IF... |
| 02:18:24 |
|
THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS IN WHICH PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM CUSTODY TO -- FOR VISITATION PURPOSES... |
| 02:18:38 |
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THANK YOU, SIR. YOU MENTION IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT VIOLENT CRIME REMAINS NEAR HISTORIC LOWS IN THE... |
| 02:18:48 |
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THERE HAVE BEEN SPIKES IN CERTAIN AREAS. I RECOGNIZE THAT. VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN 1.6% WHICH SOUNDS... |
| 02:19:00 |
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BUT THAT CAN'T BE HISTORIC LOWS. I MEAN HISTORIC LOWS HAD TO BE SOME TIME WHEN -- CRIME IS REALLY... |
| 02:19:13 |
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I AM NOT -- I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH CRIME STATISTICS FROM THE FOUNDING OF THE REPUBLIC UNTIL TODAY.... |
| 02:19:24 |
|
THE IMPORTANT THING IS THIS, NOT TO QUESTION -- |
| 02:19:27 |
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IT'S LOW BY CURRENT STANDARDS. NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S TOLERABLE. IT'S NOT TOLERABLE. |
| 02:19:33 |
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MY CITY OF MEMPHIS HAS A HIGH CRIME PROBLEM AND VIOLENT CRIME IS HIGH THERE AND PEOPLE WOULD NOT EVER... |
| 02:19:59 |
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WE GENERALLY HAVE LOCATIONS, LOCALITIES, ESSENTIALLY COMPETE BASED ON A SHOWING OF NEED AND A SHOWING... |
| 02:20:20 |
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I DON'T THINK IT IS FROM YOUR NOTES. BUT IT'S POSSIBLE YOU CAN LOOK -- CONSIDER THAT WE CERTAINLY... |
| 02:21:05 |
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IT'S MY OWN BELIEF THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT IS A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. THE VICE PRESIDENT... |
| 02:21:28 |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS EXPIRED. |
| 02:21:30 |
|
ABSTRACT THEORIES OF WHETHER THERE IS OR ISN'T SOME BARNACLE STATUS. |
| 02:21:34 |
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IN THE TRADITION OF THE CONGRESS SINCE MY TIME HAS EXPIRED, I'LL YIELD THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME. |
| 02:21:42 |
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CHAIR RECOGNIZES RANDY FORBES OF VIRGINIA, FORMER RANKING MEMBER OF THE CRIME SUBCOMMITTEE, NOW ON... |
| 02:21:53 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU... |
| 02:23:01 |
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THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE. AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY SEEM TO BE IN IT ODDLY FOR THE VIOLENCE.... |
| 02:23:10 |
|
RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN BAD IS NOT ONLY HAVE THEY DONE THE VIOLENT ACTS, BUT THEY... |
| 02:23:40 |
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IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME. |
| 02:23:43 |
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AND MY QUESTION THEN IS, IF WE HAVE THE MOST VIOLENT CRIMINAL GANG, ONE THAT'S BEING A PATTERN AND... |
| 02:25:07 |
|
I WAS DOWN IN -- |
| 02:25:10 |
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IT'S A HUGE NUMBER OF MS-13 GANG MEMBERS. AND WE HAD WITH US THE -- A POLICE CHIEF FROM EL SALVADOR... |
| 02:26:04 |
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IT IS DEFINITELY EXPECTED TO DROP IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION AS WELL. |
| 02:26:06 |
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MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, I JUST LEAVE YOU WITH THIS NOT FOR THE DAY BUT IF ANYBODY IN YOUR STAFF HAS... |
| 02:26:24 |
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I'LL GET WHAT I CAN. |
| 02:26:25 |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. MR. CHAIRMAN IYIELD BACK. |
| 02:26:32 |
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THANK YOU. ONE MORE MEMBER ASKED QUESTIONS BEFORE WE RECESS FOR FOUR VOTES. AND THAT IS ADAM SHIFT,... |
| 02:26:51 |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL, FOR SPENDING THE AFTERNOON WITH US. LET ME FOLLOW UP... |
| 02:28:56 |
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I GUESS WE COULD. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DETAINED THERE AS FAR AS I KNOW UNIFORMALLY ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE... |
| 02:29:44 |
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I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE PROBLEM THERE, OF COURSE, YOU ALSO POINT OUT IS THAT THOSE WARS HAD AN... |
| 02:29:52 |
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COULDN'T ALWAYS SEE IT COMING. COULDN'T SEE IT COMING IN '42 OR '43. WE HAD PEOPLE IN CUSTODY AT THAT... |
| 02:29:57 |
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I UNDERSTAND. I THINK EVEN THEN YOU COULD SEE THAT THE WAR WOULD END. THIS IS A WAR OF A DIFFERENT... |
| 02:31:22 |
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I THINK THEY BOTH SAY -- AND I AM NOT PURPORTING TO BE EXPERT ON ALL OF THEIR PRONOUNCEMENTS WHICH... |
| 02:31:49 |
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WELL, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T ULTIMATELY ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHAT DO YOU... |
| 02:32:01 |
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I THINK YOU HAVE -- ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO SAY BEFORE IS YOU HAVE AN ONGOING RESPONSIBILITY... |
| 02:32:28 |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. |
| 02:32:29 |
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THE COMMITTEE STANDS IN RECESS. |
| 02:33:17 |
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THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES JUDGE GOHMERT WHO SERVES WITH DISTINCTION ON... |
| 02:33:32 |
|
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU NOT SAYING I WAS THE RANKEST MEMBER ON THE COMMITTEE. BUT GENERAL MUKASEY,... |
| 02:35:15 |
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IT HAPPENS FREQUENTLY IN CASES WHERE CERTAIN INFORMATION HAS TO BE WALLED OFF FROM OTHER LAWYERS WORKING... |
| 02:35:41 |
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AND THAT WOULD, I GUESS, BE IN AN EFFORT -- I UNDERSTAND SOME CIVIL FIRMS DO THIS WHERE THEY HAVE... |
| 02:35:59 |
|
YES. |
| 02:36:01 |
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I'VE BEEN ASKED ABOUT THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT. BUT GOING BACK TO THE GUANTANAMO CASE... |
| 02:39:30 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? I'D ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THE WITNESS BE ALLOWED TO RESPOND. |
| 02:39:36 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. |
| 02:39:37 |
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I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT ON THAT. I AM NOT -- THE -- MY SPEECH WAS BASED ON OUR GOING AHEAD AND ACCEPTING... |
| 02:39:56 |
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I DIDN'T WISH TO DEMEAN THE DECISION. MAYBE I'M BEING TONGUE AND CHEEK. I HAVE TO TAKE IT AS LAWFUL... |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES ARTHUR DAVIS, A FORMER ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY WHO SERVES WITH DISTINCTION... |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN MUKASEY. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU. I HAVE TWO AREAS I WANT TO TOUCH ON AND I'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH BOTH OF THEM... |
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LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK. YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO POINT OUT THAT LETTER YESTERDAY. I APPRECIATE THAT.... |
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LET ME QUOTE ONE SENTENCE FROM THE LATER. ON PAGE 2 SHE SAYS, "WHILE THE INVESTIGATION WAS ONGOING... |
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THERE WERE TIMES WHEN I GOT EX-PARTY COMMUNICATIONS FROM BRANCHES OF THE GOVERNMENT. I DON'T KNOW... |
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WOULD IT TROUBLE YOU, THOUGH, ATTORNEY GENERAL MUKASEY, BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MATTER. |
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IT IS IMPORTANT. LET ME FINISH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ROLE THOSE COPIES OF E-MAILS PLAYED IN THE LARGER... |
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LET ME NARROW IN SO WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT THE ALLEGED FACTS ARE. THE VERY SUBJECTS OF THESE HEARINGS... |
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BASIS WAS FOR THE JUDGE'S RULINGS. I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE. AS YOU KNOW, AS A FORMER... |
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LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION. MS. STEMLER DISCLOSED THIS INFORMATION ON JULY 8th OF THIS YEAR.... |
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I DO NOT. |
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HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE -- |
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IT APPEARS TO INDICATE SHE CAME UPON IT BY HAPPENSTANCE DURING THE COURSE OF HER REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENTS.... |
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WELL, THE CONCERN AGAIN WOULD BE THIS. TWO YEARS -- I'M SORRY, ONE YEAR. ONE YEAR AFTER THIS EXPARTE... |
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I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY TOLD HER THE RELEVANT FACTS OR -- IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME THAT THERE'S ANYMORE... |
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WOULD IT TROUBLE YOU THAT THE MARSHAL SERVICE DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY DISCLOSE TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT... |
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MARSHALS, AS IS OBVIOUS FROM THIS, ARE NOT LAWYERS. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED SOONER. |
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SHOULD JUDGE FULLER HAVE DISCLOSED THAT? |
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I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO HOW JUDGE FULLER BEHAVED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE FULL CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER... |
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OKAY. |
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ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT THE PROSECUTION DID NOT HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS WITH JUDGE FULLER ABOUT THE... |
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ALL I CAN SAY IS I SEE NOTHING IN THIS LETTER TO SUGGEST THAT. WHETHER THEY DID OR DIDN'T MAY EMERGE... |
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SHOULD THE DEPARTMENT ASK THEM? |
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I THINK THAT I OUGHT TO AWAIT THE OPR REPORT ON -- BEFORE I MAKE JUDGMENTS ABOUT WHO KNEW WHAT WHEN... |
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WILL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THE OPR REPORT? |
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ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. IF THERE'S A FINDING OF MISCONDUCT, YOU'LL SEE THE REPORT ITSELF. BUT AS I... |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING INDULGENT OF MY TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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STEVE KING FROM IOWA IS A MEMBER WITH GREAT DISTINCTION ON THE IMMIGRATION COMMITTEE AND ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK ATTORNEY GENERAL MUKASEY FOR HIS VARIOUS ASTUTE TESTIMONY... |
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AGAIN, I AM WORKING OFF LORE -- L-O-R-E, NOT LAW. IT IS THE PRACTICE OF JUDGES TO DO THAT. I DON'T... |
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IF WE CAN OPERATE UNDER JUST |
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OKAY. |
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IF WE'RE OPERATING UNDER MY PRESUMPTION THAT IT IS AND MY INFORMATION THAT THAT IS THE PRACTICE TO... |
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I CAN'T SPECULATE ON THAT. I REALLY CAN'T. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THEY HAVE A GOOD... |
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I WOULDN'T SUBMIT THAT IF SOMEONE COMES TO THE UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY, THEY'RE GOING TO SEEK TO STAY... |
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I DON'T RIGHT NOW. I HAVE NOT FOUGHT THROUGH THAT SUBJECT. I CAN'T REALLY MAKE A CONCRETE PROPOSAL.... |
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AND WHEN YOU ASK THE CONGRESS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MEANS BY WHICH WE WOULD DEAL WITH ENEMY COMBATANTS,... |
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I THINK WE PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES AND STATES PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES. I KNOW... |
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AND YOU WILL BE AWARE THAT IN SECTION 642 OF THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION REFORM AND -- IN 1996, TLUS A... |
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WE TRY TO ENFORCE IT. WE TRY TO PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHEREVER THEY ARE FOUND. WHATEVER SANCTUARY IT IS.... |
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THERE WAS A TRIPLE MURDER IN SAN FRANCISCO AND THE ALLEGED PERPETRATOR WAS A CRIMINAL ALIEN WHO HAD... |
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I DON'T THINK ANYBODY FAVORS SUSPENDING OPERATION OF THE LAW WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY TAKEN... |
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I UNDERSTAND. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUANCE. HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE THE POLICY OF SECTION 642 THAT'S NOT... |
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OKAY. |
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DOES THAT MEAN IT WOULD BE? |
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I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE. |
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AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENERAL MUKASEY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY AND FOR SUBMITTING YOURSELF... |
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KEITH ELLISON, A MEMBER OF THE DEFENSE BAR. A MEMBER OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION AND CONSTITUTIONAL... |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. |
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COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RECENT REPORTS THAT HAVE COME OUT REGARDING FBI INVESTIGATIONS... |
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I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ALLUDING TO IS REPORTS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE ISSUED NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL... |
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WELL, I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT ON THE RECORD. IT'S IMPORTANT. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT -- |
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THOSE GUIDELINES HAVE NOT YET BEEN RELEASED. I'M TALKING ABOUT -- |
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WHAT KIND OF INPUT CAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE IN WHAT THE GLINS MIGHT REFLECT? |
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MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WILL BE BRIEFED ON THE GUIDELINES BEFORE THEY GO INTO EFFECT. THE GUIDELINES ARE... |
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OKAY. LET ME MOVE ALONG TO ANOTHER QUESTION. YOU KNOW, U.S. ATTORNEYS AND I GUESS EVEN STATES ATTORNEYS,... |
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U.S. ATTORNEYS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW, ANYTIME THERE'S A CONSPIRACY CHARGE, AND IN ALMOST EVERY CASE... |
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THAT'S RIGHT. |
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THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY CAN'T USE THOSE STATEMENTS AS STATEMENTS IN FURTHERANCE TO CONSPIRACY... |
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OF COURSE. |
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THAT'S WHY THEY DO. GENERALLY THOSE LISTS ARE JUST AS MUCH PLEADINGS IN A WAY AS ANY OTHER PLEADING... |
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WELL, YOU KNOW, IF MY EXPERIENCE DIDN'T POINT ME IN ANOTHER DIRECTION, I WOULDN'T DEBATE THE POINT... |
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MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEYS -- I DID THIS WHEN I WAS ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY.... |
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WHAT ABOUT WHEN THEY DON'T? SHOULDN'T THERE BE A WAY FOR YOUR OFFICE TO SAY PEOPLE CAN SOMEHOW BE... |
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I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK INTO THAT. JUST AS PEOPLE HAVE RAISED WITH ME THE QUESTION OF WHETHER, WHEN... |
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WELL YOU PROBABLY WOULD AGREE THAT SOMETIMES THAT CAREFUL PRACTICE IS NOT ALWAYS FOLLOWED BY EVERYBODY.... |
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IT'S -- LOOK. EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS SAY HUMAN BEING. THAT MEANS MISTAKES GET MADE. |
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RIGHT. SO THERE SHOULD BE SOME WAY TO CLEAN UP THOSE MISTAKES. |
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I THINK IT BEARS SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. |
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I ALSO WANT TO ASK LASTLY ABOUT WATCH LISTS. WHAT CAN WE DO -- I TALKED TO SO MANY PEOPLE WHO JUST... |
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I HAVE SEEN REPORTS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ON WATCH LISTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NAMES SIMILAR TO OTHER PEOPLE... |
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BECAUSE ONE THING, MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL IS THAT WE GO THROUGH FIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO... |
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AMEN TO THAT. |
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SO I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE WE DEAL WITH THAT. LAST QUESTION, IF I MAY. |
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WE'RE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OVER TIME. |
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GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. |
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CHAIR RECOGNIZES RANDY FORBES OF VIRGINIA, FORMALLY -- I'M SORRY, FRANKS OF VIRGINIA, FORMERLY THE... |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU, GENERAL MUKASEY, FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW THAT YOU... |
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WELL IT WAS THE POINT OF MY SPEECH THE OTHER DAY THAT CONGRESS WORK WITH THE EXECUTIVES IDEALLY SUITED... |
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WELL, OF COURSE, I AGREE WITH YOU. GENERAL, THE FOURTH CIRCUIT RECENTLY UPHELD THE PREMISE THAT THE... |
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WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SINGLE OUT ANY PEOPLE OR GROUP OF PEOPLE AS MORE OR LESS MINDFUL OF THE DANGER.... |
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WELL, TELL ME, WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENSURE THAT THE CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE COURTS DON'T... |
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THAT WOULD BE THE -- TO PASS THE KIND OF LEGISLATION THAT I PROPOSED AND AS FAR AS NOT LETTING PEOPLE... |
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YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR NOBLE SERVICE, GENERAL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, GENERAL MUKASEY, FOR YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY. I'D LIKE TO YIELD TO THE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, GENERAL MUKASEY. A LETTER -- EXCUSE ME, A "HOUSTON... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD. AND WE'D... |
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YOU'RE WELCOME. |
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