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NEXT, A HEARING ON GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE RESEARCH. WITNESSES INCLUDE JASON BURNETT WHO RECENTLY RESIGNED... |
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GOOD MORNING. TODAY'S HEARING WILL FOCUS ON GLOBAL WARMING SCIENCE AND ITS IMPLICATIONS. WE ARE GOING... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME CHAIR FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING TODAY ON REGULATING CARBON DIOXIDE. I'M... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR. THIS HEARING IS NOT ABOUT ME FIGHT TO THE GLOBAL WARMING BUILT. THE BOXER LIEBERMAN... |
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I THANK THE CHAIR. I'M SORRY I'M NOT GOING TO PEOPLE TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION. I WOULD NOTE THAT... |
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I TOTALLY LET THE RECORD SHOW THOSE NUMBERS MAKE NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL SO WE WILL GET IN THE RECORD... |
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[INAUDIBLE] -- GOING IN ORDER, SENATOR CARDIN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, MADAME... |
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SORRY, I USUALLY AM MUCH MORE GENEROUS BUT WE DO HAVE A VOTE IN ONE HOUR WORK, SO SENATOR GREGG, IF... |
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FRANK HAS USED BY FIVE, I WILL YIELD. THANK YOU. |
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ALL RIGHT. |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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MADAME CHAIRWOMAN, BUT A COMMENT VERY BRIEFLY ON THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN YOU AND SENATOR BOND. THERE'S... |
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THANK YOU, CENTER. SENATOR KLOBUCHAR? |
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THANK YOU FOR ROLLING THE SUPPORT OF HEARING AND TO THE WITNESSES FOR BEING HERE. I STARTED MY DAY... |
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THANK YOU SENATOR KLOBUCHAR. SENATOR WHITEHOUSE? |
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WELL, I CAN'T TOPPER AND I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE WITNESSES SO I WILL HOLD IN THE OPENING |
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[INAUDIBLE] -- 55 SECONDS WAS NICE TO SACRIFICE HIS TIME. THANK YOU, FRANK. |
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IT WAS. LET ME SAY THIS BECAUSE THIS IS AN OVERSIGHT INVESTIGATION, WHERE WE WILL BE DOING FACT-FINDING,... |
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MADAM CHAIRMAN, SENATOR CRAIG, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY... |
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AND 20 EACH OF YOU TWO MORE MINUTES. |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR. POLICY PROCESS CULMINATED IN A CABINET LEVEL MEETING IN NOVEMBER, 2007 WEIR AGREEMENT... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BURNETT. DR. TRENBERTH, YOU'LL BE GIVEN SEVEN MINUTES. GO AHEAD. |
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GOOD MORNING, MADAME CHAIR, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M PLEASED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU... |
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THANK YOU, DR.. AND NOW DR. ROY SPENCER. |
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I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. THERE ARE TWO... |
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OKAY, BEFORE YOU START MY TIME, THIS IS THE LESS TIME GOING TO CALL ON PEOPLE. AFTER I FINISH MY QUESTION... |
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I BELIEVE WHEN GEORGE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT. |
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I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON YOUR OWN BLOG YOU SAID YOU NEVER WERE TOLD YOU COULDN'T SPEAK ABOUT... |
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THAT IS A TONGUE-IN-CHEEK REFERENCE. |
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I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. WE KNOW THAT MR. BURNETT HAS BEEN FORTHCOMING... |
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YES. WE HAD A TWO-PART PLAN. THE CLEAN AIR ACT REMAINED AS IS, SPECIFICALLY THE RELEVANT SECTION... |
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OKAY. IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE PLAN TO GRANT THE PARTIAL WAIVER, DID ADMINISTRATOR JOHNSON INDICATE... |
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AS PART OF THE PLAN TO GRANT A PARTIAL WAIVER, CERTAINLY IT WAS THE CASE THAT ALL THREE CRITERIA IN... |
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DID YOU PREPARE ADMINISTRATOR JOHNSON FOR A MEETING AT THE WHITE HOUSE ON THE CALIFORNIA WAIVER AND... |
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FIRST OF THE ISSUE OF THOUGH LEGAL VULNERABILITY, I THINK THAT MATERIAL FROM OUR OFFICE OF GENERAL... |
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OKAY. AFTER RETURNING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE DID ADMINISTRATOR JOHNSON INFORM YOU OR WERE YOU AWARE... |
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YES. PRESIDENT BUSH HAD MADE IT CLEAR THROUGH A VARIETY OF MECHANISMS OF HIS POLICY PREFERENCE FOR... |
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AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE CLEAN AIR ACT HAS ALWAYS, WELL, I THINK IT SINCE THE 70'S, SAID THIS... |
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THE BASIC STRUCTURE OF THE CLEAN AIR ACT IS THAT CALIFORNIA ALONE CAN DESIGN A DIFFERENT SYSTEM FROM... |
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OKAY. THE ADMINISTRATOR JOHNSON MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE ENERGY BILL AND ITS OUTCOME RECONSIDERATION IN... |
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THE ENERGY BILL CERTAINLY WAS A CONSIDERATION. AND IT WAS PROVIDED AS THE POLICY CONTEXT, IF YOU WILL,... |
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AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT CLEARLY SAID ANY ACTION BY THE DOT HAS NOTHING... |
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YES. AS THE ENERGY BILL WAS MOVING ITS WAY THROUGH BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS, THERE WAS A COMPARISON... |
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OKAY. SO MY LAST QUESTION, AND INCITE COLLEAGUES FOR GOING OVER TIME, DID YOU RECOMMEND A CALIFORNIA... |
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YES. THE CALIFORNIA HAD MADE IN MY MIND A CONVINCING CASE THAT MET ALL THREE CRITERIA AS REQUIRED... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SENATOR CRAIG? |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME CHAIRWOMAN. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. DR. SPENCER, LET ME ONLY... |
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I HAVE RECEIVED REALLY KNOW NEGATIVE DIRECT INPUT SINCE THE SCIENTISTS THAT ARE QUALIFIED TO CAST... |
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IS LIKELY SOME OUT THERE, SENATOR. |
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THANK YOU. DR. -- PRONOUNCED YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN SO I DON'T MISS IT. NO, JASON IS NOT A SCIENTIST.... |
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SENATOR, IN MY OWN TESTIMONY ACTUALLY COMMENT ON ONE WAY OF DEALING WITH THE INCREASED RISK OF WILD... |
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I APPRECIATE COMMENT. OF COURSE THE CLIMACTIC SPECIES AND WE UNDERSTAND THEIR EBB AND FLOW. IT'S... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. |
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SENATOR LAUTENBERG? |
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THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN. MR. SPENCER, SINCE YOU DESCRIBED THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CHANGING CLIMATE... |
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SO A POOR COUNTRY LIKE OURS WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR THOSE WEALTHY ONES. |
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WE ARE TO SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON NEW ALTERNATIVE ENERGY RESEARCH. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS NEVER... |
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THINK YOU'RE MUCH. MR. BURNETT, YOU SAID IN AN INTERVIEW WITH HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON GLOBAL WARMING... |
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THE BASIC POLICY DEBATE WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION WAS WHETHER THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD MOVE FORWARD... |
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RIGHT, THE WHILE COMPANY'S ASSERTION THAT ANY REGULATION WAS UNACCEPTABLE EVEN IF IT WAS NECESSARY... |
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THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER WE WOULD GO PUBLIC WITH A FINDING THAT THERE WAS ENDANGERMENT TO HUMAN WELFARE.... |
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SECRET AS AN ALTERNATIVE? |
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WHETHER OR NOT TO GO PUBLIC, YES. |
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WHAT IS THE POSITION OF CAREER SCIENTISTS AT EPA? AND ONE IS THE POSITION THERE AND A CAREER SCIENTISTS?... |
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WELL, IN FACT, IT WAS A POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THE PUBLIC IS ENDANGERED BY GREENHOUSE... |
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MR. TRENBERTH, THE EPA AND OTHER SCIENTIFIC PUT OUT LAST WEEK SHOWED REAL UNPACKS TO THE UNITED STATES... |
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I HAVEN'T READ THAT REPORT IN DETAIL. AS FAR AS I CAN JUDGE, IT WAS HEAVILY BASED UPON THE IPCC REPORT... |
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THANK YOU. DOCTOR,, WE ARE APPROACHING A POINT OF NO RETURN BRITAIN WILL BE TOO LATE TO FULLY PROTECT... |
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GLOBAL WARMING CONSEQUENCES ARE ALREADY WITH US, THERE'S HAVE BEEN GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IN... |
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SENATOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. SENATOR CARMEN, I WANT TO RUN OUT FOR ONE MINUTE AND BE RIGHT... |
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THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. MR. BURNETT, LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THIS BECAUSE I'M READING FROM YOUR TESTIMONY... |
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HOW WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE CABINET LEVEL MEETING. NILE IS PART OF THE SENIOR TEAM AND THAT COORDINATED... |
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AND HOW WERE YOU APPRISED OF THE FINDING AND THE CABINET LEVEL MEETING? HOW DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT... |
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WELL, I HAVE HELPED PREPARE THE BRIEFING PAPERS FOR MEMBERS OF THE CABINET IN PREPARATION FOR THAT... |
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DO YOU KNOW WHO WAS AT THE CABINET MEETING? |
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I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING FROM THE REPORT BACK FROM THE MEETING WHO WAS IN ATTENDANCE AND I CERTAINLY... |
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SO YOU WERE CONFIDENT THAT THE CABINET LEVEL MEETING IN NOVEMBER WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT GREENHOUSE... |
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YES, IN FACT, ADMINISTRATOR JOHNSON HAS SAID HE TOOK THE EXTRA STEP OF ATTACKING WITH THE PRESIDENT'S... |
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AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT? WHY WERE NO REGULATIONS ISSUED? WHY DIDN'T GO FOR IT? |
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WELL, THE SERIES OF EVENTS OVER THE COURSE OF DECEMBER AND DEATH, DECEMBER 5th WORD STRANGE, INDEED,.... |
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I SENT THE DOCUMENT OVER AND PRESENT RECEIVED A PHONE CALL REQUESTING THAT WE NOT SEND THE DOCUMENT.... |
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BY DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF TOLD KAPLAN TO RECALL THE DOCUMENT PRESENTED A FOLLOW-UP NOTE SAYING IT HAD... |
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TWO YOU'RE UNDER THE, PREPARING THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK TO MAKE THE DECLARATION OF YOUR THEN ASKED... |
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YES, SERGEY MACK WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? |
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NO, SIR,. IT REPRESENTED THE CULMINATION OF OUR POLICY PROCESS, THE RESPONSE TO THE SUPREME COURT,... |
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PHOENIX A NOTE IS BASICALLY PUNTED TO THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION BY NOT MAKING IT FINDING? |
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ULTIMATELY WITH THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DECIDED TO DO IS ISSUE IN FRANCE NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING... |
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THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, SENATOR. SENATOR KLOBUCHAR. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH MADAM |
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I APOLOGIZE FOR MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME, I SEEM TO MAKE IT SOUND FRIENDS MR. BURNETT. MY DAUGHTER... |
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YES, SENATOR. |
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AND THEN AS DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF JOEL KAPLAN CALLED YOU AND SAID TAKE IT BACK OR SEND A NOTE THAT... |
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TO CLARIFY HE CALLED THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE ADMINISTRATOR ASKED WHETHER I WOULD BE ABLE TO SEND... |
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AND YOU KNOW OF SOMEONE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE OR SOMEONE TOLD HIM TO NOT OPEN THIS? WAS THERE SOMEONE... |
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IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM CONVERSATIONS WITH INDIVIDUALS AT 0MB THAT THEY WERE DIRECTED NOT TO OPEN... |
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AND YOU KNOW WHO ORDERED THEM TO NOT OPEN THEM? |
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I DO NOT KNOW SINCE I WAS NOT PART OF THAT CONVERSATION CAME BACK OKAY. MR. BURNETT, PRESS ACCOUNTS... |
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WELL, LET ME FIRST SAY THAT THE REGULATION THAT WE WERE WORKING TO DEVELOP WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN... |
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THE NEW YORK TIMES HAS WRITTEN HE WENT BACK AND FORTH IN MEMOS TO OMB OF THE DEFINITION OF CARBON... |
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AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A ROBUST INTERAGENCY PROCESS AND NOW SET ALMOST ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS... |
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CLEARLY LESS THAN SUPPORTABLE. |
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WHO WAS TRYING TO SUPPORT THAT? |
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SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS WERE TRYING TO MAKE THAT GENERAL CASE. |
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PEOPLE WITHIN THE OMB? |
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JEFF ROSIN PART OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE SAID OMB HAD RAISED THAT QUESTION MULTIPLE TIMES.... |
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THANK YOU. WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT LIVING IN SCIENCE AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE... |
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OVER THE PAST CENTURY REIMS IN THE U.S. ARE ABOUT UP 7 PERCENT BUT IT IS NOT REALLY THE LINEAR TREND.... |
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THE WARMING CAUSES MORE WATER? |
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AND GRAB SOME WATER VAPOR, CONCENTRATES AND THE NATURAL CONSEQUENCES IS HEAVY RAINS TO MAKE VERY GOOD... |
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I WAS JUST TOLD THE METROPOLITAN WASHINGTON AREA IS UNDER A SEVERE WEATHER ALERT, 40-MILE PER HOUR... |
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THANK YOU SEPARATE IS THAT YOU RELATE YOU HAD A LITTLE CONVERSATION? THE HEAD SENATOR WHITE HOUSE.... |
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THANK YOU GERMAN BOXER. MR. PINETTE, FOR YOU AT THE EPA LONG ENOUGH FOR IN A POSITION ADEQUATE TO... |
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MY FOCUS WAS ON CLIMATE AND ENERGY POLICY. AND THINK THAT I AM GENERALLY AWARE OF THE CONVERSATIONS... |
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WITH THEIR ROUTINE MEETINGS BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE CALIFORNIA WAIVER... |
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THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT I AND OTHERS... |
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CAN YOU CHARACTERIZE THEM AS YOUR TEAM? |
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I DON'T SENSE THAT THERE WAS, WELL, THIS WAS THE FIRST VEHICLE WAIVER THEN I SUBSTANTIALLY INVOLVED... |
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LET ME ASK -- |
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I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE GENERAL POLICY PROCESS FOR REGULATIONS. |
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WITH THE MEETINGS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELATED TO THE CALIFORNIA WAIVER, THE CLEAN AIR ACT WAIVER,... |
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BOTH, THERE WERE SOME MEETINGS EVER SPECIFICALLY SCHEDULED TO TALK ABOUT THE CALIFORNIA WAIVER AND... |
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AND WERE THEIR MEETING SPECIFIC TO THE CALIFORNIA WHERE HE WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE AS ROUTINE IS SPECIFICALLY... |
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WELL, THERE WERE MEETINGS SPECIFICALLY SCHEDULED FOR THAT PURPOSE AS I SEND. |
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NOT JUST DROPPED IN AS AN AGENDA POINT ON A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING? |
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MEETINGS THAT WERE SPECIFIC TO TALK ABOUT THE CALIFORNIA WAIVER BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MEANS THE... |
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WOULD IT BE ACCURATE TO SAY IN THIS MEETING WILL ADMINISTRATOR JOHNSON'S CONTRIBUTION IT WAS LIMITED... |
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THERE WAS AN EFFORT THAT WE WERE ENGAGED IN AND THEN I WAS ENGAGED AND TO MAKE THE CASE THAT IT WOULD... |
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FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE TO THE WHITE HOUSE UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ADDRESSING IN MAKING... |
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THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT IN A RECENT LOWS ON DECISION OR THE... |
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IN THE CLEAN AIR ACT WAIVER AFTER THE WHITE HOUSE WAS NOTIFIED OF THE PROPOSED DECISION THAT TO PUT... |
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AND THE RESPONSE WAS CLEARLY ARTICULATING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD A POLICY PREFERENCE FOR A SINGLE... |
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THAT WAS THE RESPONSE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE? |
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YES. |
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TO THE ADMINISTRATOR? |
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THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR HAD AN UNCERTAIN THE IS THE STAMENS... |
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WHEN THEY HAVE MADE SENSE IF THE ADMINISTRATOR OR THE WEAR? IT WAS CLEARLY IMPLICIT THIS HAD BEEN... |
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IT WAS WELL KNOWN IN THE ADMINISTRATORS RUNNING NEW THE PRESIDENT'S POLICY PREFERENCE FOR A SINGLE... |
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AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED TO HIM AFTER HE HEARD THE PROPOSAL TO GRANT THE PARTIAL WAIVER?... |
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WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WHEN A VARIETY OF OPTIONS RANGING FROM A GRANT TO A DENIAL I THOUGHT THAT THE... |
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IN TERMS OF THE TIMING THE WHITE HOUSE RESPONDS TO THAT FOLLOWED THAT NOTIFICATION TO THE WHITE HOUSE... |
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WELL, THERE WERE MULTIPLE MEANINGS AND SO I WANT TO SIMPLY BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THE EXACT SEQUENCE BECAUSE... |
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GOT TO. MADAM CHAIR, WHEN WE HAVE A SECOND ROUND I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS NOT LIKE TO ASK SENATOR... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR AND THANK YOU SENATOR BOXER FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING AND WHAT TO THINK THE PANELISTS... |
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OF COURSE, WHEN HAPPENS IS THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE. USUALLY IT HAPPENS EPISODIC... |
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HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED, MY RECOLLECTION IS THOUSANDS? |
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OVER 30,000, IPCC SUGGESTS 35,000 DIED IN THAT PARTICULAR HEATWAVE AND YOU CANNOT ACCOUNT FOR IT TO... |
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GO BEYOND JUST THE SEVERE WEATHER DISTURBANCES WEATHER A PROLONGED HEAT WAVE OR WHATEVER. VC INCREASE... |
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THERE ARE VARIOUS KINDS OF DISEASES AND PESTS LIKE WHEAT AND COTTON RUSTS THAT BLURS IN WETTER CONDITIONS... |
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YANKEES MADAM CHAIR. |
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HERE IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS HEARING BECAUSE I'VE GOT TO FOLLOW-UP... |
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I BELIEVE IT IS. |
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OMB CIRCULAR? |
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STATEMENTS OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY GENERALLY WERE DEVELOPED AS THE ENERGY BILL, SECURITY ACT OF 2007... |
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WAS THE STATEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY DEVELOPED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ENERGY BILL THOUGH? |
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YES. |
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OKAY. WITH RESPECT TO THE CABINET MEETING, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT ONE COULD DESCRIBE THAT CABINET ... |
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FOR MAJOR POLICY DECISIONS IN DANCE BEFORE MAKES, WE OFTEN WOULD HAVE WHAT WE CALL A PRINCIPAL MEETING... |
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SO IT WASN'T A FULL BLOWN CABINET MEETING, IT WAS A CABINET LEVEL MEETING? |
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THAT IS RIGHT. CAMPBELL OFFICIALS THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR REPRESENTING EPA. |
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AND UNISYS TO PREPARING FOR THAT AND ASSISTED IN INCREASING THE AGENDA FOR IT AND SO FORTH? |
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IBOOK ASSISTED IN THE ADMINISTRATOR IN PREPARING FOR IT AND I ASSISTED OMB IN PREPARING THE BRIEFING... |
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ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER SUCH CABINET LEVEL MEETINGS ON OTHER ISSUES THAT TOOK PLACE DURING YOUR... |
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YES, THERE WERE AT LEAST THREE CABINET LEVEL MEETINGS RELATED TO THE RESPONSE TO THE SUPREME COURT.... |
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TO KNOW WHO ATTENDED THE MEETING ON THE CALIFORNIA WAIVER, THE CABINET LEVEL MEETING? |
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I'M SORRY, I DON'T THINK I SAID THERE WAS A CAMISOLE MEETING AT LEAST THEN I AM AWARE OF ON THE CALIFORNIA... |
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WAS ON THE ENGAGEMENT RECOMMENDATION. |
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YES. |
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AND YOU KNOW WHO ATTENDED THAT? |
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I KNOW GENERALLY WHO ATTENDED AND CERTAINLY SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS AS WELL AS THE OFFICES, AGENCIES... |
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IN WAS THE ADMINISTRATOR AND A MINISTER IPECAC ON BEHALF OF THE EPA. |
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YES AND ROGER BARR TELLA OF GENERAL COUNSEL ALSO ATTENDED THAT MEETING FOR EPA. |
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WITHOUT GOING INTO INDIVIDUAL NAMES, ONE OTHER CABINET AGENCIES ARE REPRESENTED, DO NO? |
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I BELIEVE THAT CQ, COUNCIL ON A FIRM UNTIL QUALITY, MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, AND BELIEVE THE CTA, I... |
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DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND PERMANENT TRANSPORTATION? |
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YES. |
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OKAY. AND YOU INDICATED THAT THE RESULTS COMING OUT OF THAT CABINET LEVEL MEETING WAS THAT YOU SHOULD... |
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YES. |
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DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION THAT CAN HELP EXPLAIN HOW THAT DETERMINATION COULD HAVE GONE OUT OF THAT... |
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THINGS CHANGE BETWEEN NOVEMBER OF 2007 AND DECEMBER 2007. THE PRIMARY THING THAT CHANGED IS HAVE... |
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AND GOING BACK TO THE WAIVER DETERMINATION, AS I RECALL THE TIMING, ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION WITHOUT... |
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ADDED THAT TIMING HAPPENED TO OCCUR TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? |
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ON MONDAY DECEMBER 17th, THE ADMINISTRATOR CAME INTO MY OFFICE AND TOLD ME OF HIS INTENT TO DENY THE... |
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GOING BACKWARDS, THERE WAS THE RELEASE ON DECEMBER 19th, THE ADMINISTRATOR TOLD TO WHAT HIS DECISION... |
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I BELIEVE THAT WE CONTINUED TO ADD THE EARLY DECEMBER TO EXPLAIN TO THE CASE FOR A PARTIAL GRANT. ... |
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AND IN BETWEEN THAT THE THE WHITE HOUSE RESPONSE CAME BACK THAT THE PRESIDENT DESIGN THEIR TO BE THE... |
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YES. |
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OKAY. DR. TRENBERTH, I'M A LITTLE BIT AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE BOTH YOU AND DR. SPENCER OF OUR SCIENTISTS... |
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THANK-YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. FIRSTLY, THE IPCC HAS EXTENSIVELY SAID DID NATURAL VARIABILITY... |
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LET ME ASK A FINAL QUESTION IF I MAY MADAM CHAIR. NOW I'M REALLY GOING TO HAS TO MYSELF BY GOING INTO... |
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WELL, THERE WERE CERTAINLY SOME SCIENTISTS AND TAKE MUCH MORE A SHAME USE THAN I DO AS TO HOW SERIOUSLY... |
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HERE IS MY CONCERN. IT IS SORT OF A POLITICAL AND PRACTICAL CONCERN TO A DEGREE. AND IN VERMONT WE'RE... |
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IN THAT REGARD THE IPCC IS A OPEN PROCESS, ANYONE CAN BE INVOLVED IN IT IS A CONSENSUS VIEW AS TO... |
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MY TIME IS MORE THAN EXPIRED. I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO THE CHAIR FOR HER PATIENCE AND COURTESY AND HIGH-YIELD.... |
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I HOPE SENATOR IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY STAY BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO TALK AFTER THIS IS OVER. WHEN... |
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I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE WORD DECIDED BECAUSE IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW THAT ULTIMATELY... |
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THEY DECIDED TO RECOMMEND TO THE ADMINISTRATION A PARTIAL WAIVER. IS THAT A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT?... |
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THE PRESIDENT HAD A POLICY PREFERENCE FOR A SINGLE STANDARD |
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OKAY. A SINGLE STANDARD AND SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PRESIDENT ... |
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I CANNOT PERSONALLY SPEAK ABOUT CONVERSATIONS AT THAT LEVEL. WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT I WAS INVOLVED... |
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TO THE BEST OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING, MR. JOHNSON UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY THE CLEAN AIR ACT, WHEN HE WENT... |
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THIS ISSUE IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WAS FACING THE EPA AND IT RECEIVED A VERY HIGH... |
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LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. IS THERE ANY INFORMATION YOU HAVE WHEN MR. JOHNSON REPORTED BACK TO YOU ABOUT... |
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WE DID OUR BEST THAT ALL POLICY OFFICIALS INVOLVED IN THIS DECISION WERE APPRISED AND INFORMED OF... |
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OKAY. SO, SO, TO FINISH MY STORY POSITION HAD GOTTEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, HAD GENERATED A TREMENDOUS... |
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AGAIN, I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN THE WORDS THAT I USE. |
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WELL, THESE ARE MY WORDS, NOT YOURS. IF I WERE TO SAY TO MY CONSTITUENTS, FROM WHAT I'VE GATHERED... |
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THE POLICY OF THE PRESIDENT LED TO THE DENIAL OF CALIFORNIA'S WAIVER REQUEST BECAUSE GRANTING THE... |
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RIGHT. AND ISN'T IT TRUE THAT IN THE CLEAN AIR ACT IT'S A VERY CLEAR THAT THERE HAVE BEEN 50 WAIVERS... |
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THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS THE MOST CLEAR READING OF LAW THAT CALIFORNIA SHOULD HAVE AND SHOULD STILL... |
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OKAY. I WANT TO SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD, AND I THINK SENATOR WHITEHOUSE WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN... |
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MADAME CHAIR? |
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YES? |
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IF I MAY, I HAVE LEFT THE AGENCY IN EARLY JUNE AND PLAN ON CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE SAME ISSUES. ... |
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WELCOME THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING US BACK TO WHY WE ARE HERE. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD,... |
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YES. THAT IS CORRECT. I WAS BOTH INVOLVED IN PREPARING THE ENDANGERMENT FINDING ITSELF, AND I WAS... |
| 02:14:22 |
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IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THAT E-MAIL HAD BEEN OPENED BY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT BUDGET OVER... |
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IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING UNDER THE CLEAN AIR ACT I BELIEVE IT'S SECTION 3 OF 70, AND GATES THE EXECUTIVE... |
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WELL, YOU KNOW, ME SPEAKING HERE, THE FACT IS ALL ALONG WE'VE SEEN A PATTERN AND PRACTICE THIS ADMINISTRATION... |
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I DO NOT. |
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IT WAS NOT THE EPA. SO WHAT HAVE WOULD -- THAT IS THE ONE WHERE DANA PERINO SAID IT WAS, WHAT WAS... |
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JUST ONE VERY QUICK QUESTION. DID THE PROCEDURES OF THE CLEAN AIR ACT RELATIVE TO GRANTING OR DENIAL... |
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FIRST I SHOULD SAY THE CLEAR I'M NOT A LAWYER. |
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THAT'S OKAY, I'M NOT A SCIENTIST. |
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AND I THINK THAT YOUR QUESTION WAS INVOLVED, AT LEAST IN A MATTER OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW, -- |
| 02:19:27 |
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LET ME ASK IN A NON-LEGAL WAY, LET ME ASK THIS IN FACT WILL WAY THEN. IN THE COURSE OF PREPARING ... |
| 02:20:01 |
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I WILL SIMPLY OBSERVED IN THE FINAL DECISION DOCUMENT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ANY REFERENCE... |
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FAIR ENOUGH. I APPRECIATE IT. |
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THE INFORMATION WE HAVE OBTAINED THROUGH THE INVESTIGATION IN THIS COMMITTEE RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS... |
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