U.S.-Iraq Security Agreement

Jun 4, 2008

House Committee Foreign Affairs House Committee Foreign Affairs | International Organizations, Human Rights, and Oversight

The International Organizations, Human Rights and Oversight Subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee held a briefing titled "Iraqi Parliament's Perspective on U.S.-Iraqi Relations" with members of the Iraqi Parliament to hear their assessment of the proposed U.S.-Iraq Security Agreement. The new security agreement is intended to .. Read More
The International Organizations, Human Rights and Oversight Subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee held a briefing titled "Iraqi Parliament's Perspective on U.S.-Iraqi Relations" with members of the Iraqi Parliament to hear their assessment of the proposed U.S.-Iraq Security Agreement. The new security agreement is intended to replace the current United Nations Security Council resolutions authorizing the United States to engage in combat operations in Iraq which would expire at the end of the year.

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00:00:06 Unidentified Speaker C-SPAN, CREATED AS A PUBLIC SERVICE FROM AMERICA'S CABLE COMPANIES.
00:00:12 Unidentified Speaker AND NOW MEMBERS OF THE IRAQI PARLIAMENT TESTIFY ON A PROPOSED SECURITY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE U.S....
00:00:50 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. TODAY WE HAVE THE HONOR OF HAVING TWO DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS FROM...
00:01:45 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative WE'RE WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE TWO MEMBERS WITH US. WELCOME. I WILL DISCUSS THEIR BACKGROUNDS IN...
00:12:45 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT ALL AMERICANS CONSIDER TO BE OF GREAT IMPORTANCE. THIS IS IMPORTANT...
00:17:43 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I THINK HE WRECKING THANK THE RANKING MEMBER. I WILL NOW GIVE THE FLOOR TO MR. MEEKS.
00:17:56 Meeks, GregoryU.S. Representative IT IS VERY TIMELY THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS HEARING AND IT IS A TESTAMENT TO YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR...
00:23:04 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I WILL NOW YIELD NOW TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS, A FORMER CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED...
00:24:40 Paul, RonU.S. Representative I THANK THE CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL OF REPRESENT HIS BEING HERE....
00:28:14 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE WITNESSES. I NOTE THE PRESENCE OF THE GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA, AN...
00:29:04 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO SAY TO THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY...
00:30:16 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative THANK YOU, MR. JONES. ON I AM GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION OF BOTH OF OUR COLLEAGUES FROM IRAQ BUT BEFORE...
00:35:34 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, PLEASE REFER TO ME AS BEING AN IRAQI AND NOT AS ANYTHING ELSE. WITH REGARD...
00:46:16 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative THANK YOU, AND I WOULD OUT -- I WOULD NOW ASK IF HE WOULD RESPOND TO MY QUESTION AND THEN I WILL PROCEED...
00:46:37 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS MEETING. FIRST OF ALL, I THANK ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE AND THE ...
00:48:12 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK A BIT.
00:48:18 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember BUT NOW WITH THE CONTROL OF AMERICAN FORCES IN IRAQ WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT -- WE NEEDED TO BE ORGANIZED...
00:53:50 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative YES, THANK YOU. LET ME NOW GO TO MR. ROHRBACHER.
00:54:16 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative LET ME GET MORE SPECIFIC WITH SOME QUESTIONS HERE. IF IT IS PREFERRED, ANSWER YES OR NO. WOULD YOU...
00:55:11 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember WE WOULD PREFER IF IT DID NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS LED TO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE COUNTRY.
00:55:17 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative OK, SO, YOU WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THE UNITED STATES NOT TO HAVE GOTTEN RID OF SADDAM HUSSEIN?
00:55:40 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember THE UNITED STATES GOT RID OF ONE PERSON, BUT THEY BROUGHT HUNDREDS OF PERSONS WHO ARE WORSE THAN SADDAM...
00:55:49 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative A FAIR ANSWER.
00:56:04 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember AND UNFORTUNATELY, NOW IRAN IS GOING INTO IRAQ AND THIS IS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE
00:56:12 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative OK, I GOT IT. LET ME ASK THIS GENTLEMAN, WHICH YOU HAVE PREFERRED NOW THAT THE UNITED STATES HAD NEVER...
00:56:26 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember I PREFER THAT WE DO NOT GO BACK AND POUR INTO THE PAST. WE CANNOT. DO IT. -- WE CANNOT AGREE TO ITREDO...
00:56:57 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative OK, NOW, THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS -- CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MILITARY TROOPS IN IRAQ. THEY...
00:57:50 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember I BELIEVE THAT IRAQ HAS ENOUGH CAPABILITIES TO DEFEND ITSELF AND TO BUILD UP MILITARY FORCES THAT...
00:58:39 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative AKAKA MY YOU'RE LOOKING BACK. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT LOOKING BACK. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT LOOKING FORWARD....
00:58:55 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember MAINTAINING AMERICAN TROOPS IN IRAQ HAS, PERHAPS, HAPPEN UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS -- HAPPENED UNDER...
00:59:51 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative SO, HE IS TELLING US THAT HE BELIEVES THAT THE U.S. SHOULD BE CONTINUED -- SHOULD BEGIN WITHDRAWING...
01:00:04 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember BUT I AM SAYING IS --
01:00:09 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative COULD USEYOU PAUSE FOR A MOMENT? WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTIES. WHY DON'T WE TRY AGAIN?
01:00:17 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember DO YOU HEAR ME NOW? HOW ABOUT NOW? AND NO MORE PECO? SORRY ABOUT THAT. -- NO MORE ECHO? SORRY ABOUT...
01:00:52 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative I AM SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE LIMITED TIME TO ASK MY QUESTIONS. WE COULD ACTUALLY...
01:01:20 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember HE SAYS THAT IRAQ DOES NOT NEED FOREIGN DEBT --
01:01:26 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative SO, YOUR POSITION IS THAT WE SHOULD START WITHDRAWING OUR TROOPS?
01:01:31 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember I BELIEVE THAT THIS MEETING IS VERY CLEAR. -- MEANING IT IS VERY CLEAR.
01:01:37 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative WE SHOULD NOT HESITATE TO PUT OURSELVES ON THE RECORD IF IT IS VERY CLEAR. THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU....
01:02:10 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember IT IS A WELL-KNOWN FACT [UNINTELLIGIBLE] SHOULD KEEP SECURITY AND ORDER IN THE COUNTRY AND TO GO THERE...
01:03:05 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative SO, YOUR ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS, NO, WE SHOULD NOT BEGIN A QUICK WITHDRAWAL OF OUR FORCES AND YOUR...
01:03:26 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SCHEDULED WITHDRAWAL BASED ON A TIMETABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW ENOUGH TIME TO REBUILD...
01:03:41 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative LET ME NOTE TO YOU THAT THE STATUS OF FORCES AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COULD WELL INCLUDE...
01:04:21 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember YOUR LAST SENTENCE I COULD NOT HERE.
01:04:28 Unidentified Speaker -- I COULD NOT HEAR.
01:04:33 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative IT IS NECESSARY FOR US TO REACH AN AGREEMENT AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE RATIFIED BY THE PARLIAMENT...
01:05:46 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember THIS NEEDS TO BE FULLY EXPLAINED AND THIS WILL TAKE A LONG TIME, BUT IN BRIEF, FROM THE PIECES WE...
01:06:57 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative IS THAT THE ATTITUDE THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE MAJORITY OF THE PARLIAMENT? THAT IS WHAT I NEED TO KNOW....
01:07:18 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember I BELIEVE MOST IRAQIS ARE INTERESTED IN A TIMETABLE FOR WITHDRAWAL WHICH WILL ALLOW TIME TO REBUILD...
01:07:29 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT IS A VERY GOOD ANSWER AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I MET WITH TRIBAL LEADERS THIS...
01:08:00 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative BEFORE I GO TO MR. PAUL, I THINK WHAT I HEAR AND WHAT IS REFLECTED IN THE LETTER OF THE MAJORITY OF...
01:09:03 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO FOR DR. AL-JABERI.
01:09:13 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember MAY I ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE? SO THAT YOU HAVE THE FULL PICTURE, IF YOU DO NOT MIND, WHAT ARE THE...
01:09:31 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?
01:09:37 Rohrabacher, DanaU.S. Representative THAT WILL BE TOTALLY UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE. FRANKLY, IF YOU WANT AMERICAN FORCES THERE FOR WHAT EVER...
01:10:33 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REST ASSURED, THERE ARE NO THREATS ON IRAQ. IN CASE OF FOREIGN AGGRESSION. AND...
01:10:55 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative WITH THAT, I WILL GO TO MR. PAUL FOR HIS OPPORTUNITY TO INQUIRE. BEFORE I DO, LET ME NOTICE THE PRESENCE...
01:11:22 Paul, RonU.S. Representative THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR DR. AL- JABERI. THIS HAS TO DO WITH OUR WITHDRAWAL...
01:12:11 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO AGREE ON THE PRINCIPLE FIRST. DETAILS ARE TO BE DISCUSSED BY THE EXPERTS IN...
01:13:31 Paul, RonU.S. Representative OK, I AM DISAPPOINTED WITH THE ANSWER BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING IT IS OPEN ENDED -- ASIX MONTHS, A YEAR,...
01:14:55 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember BY S Q -- I ASK YOU TO PERHAPS HAVE A REFERENDUM AND THAT WOULD TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
01:15:00 Paul, RonU.S. Representative YOU HAVE NO IDEA? MAYBE ONLY 5% SUPPORT US LEADING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN IDEA.
01:15:12 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember OF COURSE NOT. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ARE FOR THE WITHDRAWAL.
01:15:21 Paul, RonU.S. Representative 51%?
01:15:24 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember PERHAPS EVEN ABOUT 70%.
01:15:26 Paul, RonU.S. Representative OK, THAT IS GOOD. WHEN WE LEAVE, HOW WOULD IT BE PERCEIVED IF WE LEAVE THE EMBASSY WITH OUR PRESENCE...
01:16:11 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember THE EMBASSY IN IRAQ HAS AN INCREDIBLY LARGE AMOUNT OF STAFF. IT IS CERTAINLY LARGER THAN THE DIPLOMATIC...
01:17:04 Paul, RonU.S. Representative LET ME NARROW THIS DOWN. WHAT DID HE NOT GOOD POLICY FOR US TO KEEP THE EMBASSY THAT TAKE? OR WOULD...
01:17:40 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember THIS IS THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED MYSELF. I MEAN, WHY DO WE NEED 3000 EMPLOYEES IN AN EMBASSY IN IRAQ?...
01:18:02 Paul, RonU.S. Representative AKAKA I UNDERSTAND THAT.
01:18:07 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember FROM THE PRINCIPLE OF RECIPROCITY, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE IRAQIS TO ESTABLISH A 3000 EMPLOYEES...
01:18:16 Paul, RonU.S. Representative I AND YOUR STAND THAT, BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS THE EMOTIONAL, PUBLIC-RELATIONS REACTION OF THE...
01:18:42 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember IT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE A VERY POSITIVE SIGNAL TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE. IF YOU MAINTAIN A REASONABLE...
01:19:03 Paul, RonU.S. Representative IT WOULD HELP COULD RELATIONS?
01:19:08 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember YES, YES, AND HAVE RELATIONS WITH THE POLITICAL ELITE AND THE SOCIETY.
01:19:12 Paul, RonU.S. Representative AND WOULD YOU HAVE THE SAME ASSESSMENT WITH THE MILITARY BASES?
01:19:28 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember THE MILITARY BASES ARE A DIFFERENT STORY. DIPLOMATIC MISSIONS ARE DONE IN ALL INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS...
01:20:12 Paul, RonU.S. Representative SO, PEOPLE WOULD BE LESS TOLERANT OF MILITARY BASES AND SOME AND THE SEAT. THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT...
01:20:30 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember YES, THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME RESENTMENT FOR THE PRESENCE OF MILITARY BASES, NOT FOR A DIPLOMATIC...
01:20:37 Paul, RonU.S. Representative AND THEREFORE, WE MUST ADDRESS THE MILITARY BASES. HIGH YIELD BACK.
01:20:42 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I THANK THE JUDGMENT. AND NOW TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARIZONA.
01:20:53 Flake, JeffU.S. Representative I APOLOGIZE, I HAD A MEETING OUTSIDE, APOLOGIZE IF I COVER GROUND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED. LET...
01:21:47 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember INCREASING THE NUMBER OF FORCES DID NOT AFFECT THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE IN IRAQ. BECAUSE OF THE WAR THERE...
01:26:31 Flake, JeffU.S. Representative IF I COULD ASK A QUICK FOLLOW-UP. IT IS OFTEN STATED HERE THAT A FIRM TIMETABLE FOR WITHDRAWAL WILL...
01:27:46 Flake, JeffU.S. Representative MR. ABS OF BARI, COULD YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION? -- MR. CALA JORIAL-JABERI, COULD YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION?...
01:28:04 Flake, JeffU.S. Representative IT IS OFTEN SAID HERE THAT IF THERE IS A TIMETABLE THAT THE ENEMY COULD SIT IN WAITING. IS THAT A...
01:28:14 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember I SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO THAT MANY OF THE ARMED MILITIAS WERE ESTABLISHED IN ORDER TO FIGHT THE PRESENCE...
01:30:18 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember WITH REGARD TO THE TIMETABLE , IT HAS TO BE PREPARED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE SPECIALIZED AND THE PEOPLE...
01:31:04 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative THANK YOU, AND LET ME GO TO MR. JONES OF NORTH CAROLINA.
01:31:08 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM SORRY THAT I HAD TO LEAVE FOR A FEW MINUTES, TOO. I AM PROBABLY...
01:32:57 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember THE TREW VULNERABILITY OF IN OUR FORCES -- TRUE VULNERABILITY IN OUR FORCES IS BECAUSE IT WAS ESTABLISHED...
01:35:35 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative 1 FOLLOW UP VERY QUICKLY, MR. CHAIRMAN -- IF THE SUGGESTION THAT YOU NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM...
01:36:26 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I AM GOING TO ASK THE SHEIKH TO RESPOND, GIVEN HIS MILITARY BACKGROUND.
01:36:55 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember IN FACT, THE IRAQI DO NOT NEED MUCH TRAINING BECAUSE ALL OF THEM HAVE MILITARY TRAINING SINCE WE HAVE...
01:39:22 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:39:27 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative IF I COULD RESTATE WHAT YOU SAID, YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THERE IS AVAILABLE PROFESSIONAL, TRADE --...
01:45:57 Al-Ulayyan, KhalafMember AND THEY DON'T WANT TO THE IRAQI ARMY TO HAVE EVEN A MOTOR. ACCORDING TO A ARE RULES, EACH GOVERNOR...
01:47:48 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative THANK YOU, SHAPED =EIK.
01:47:59 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember WITH REGARD TO PESHMURGA, IT IS PRESENT TO BE DISTINGUISHED FROM OTHER MILITIAS IN CERTAIN ASPECTS....
01:50:54 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I WANT TO EXPRESS MY PROFOUND GRATITUDE FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE ARE NOW CALLED TO VOTE AND WE WILL BE...
01:54:00 Al-Jaberi, NadeemMember I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION AND THANKS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO EXCHANGE OPINIONS...
01:55:49 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, DR. KATHERINE. I CONTINUED TO SING YOUR PRAISES...
01:58:29 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I THINK, THINKING ABOUT TODAY, IN SOME WAYS I HAVE REFINED MY OWN THINKING A LITTLE BIT. WHAT I SEE...
02:00:46 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative IS IT TRUE THAT -- AND AGAIN THIS IS FROM READING MEDIA REPORTS MORE OR LESS -- THAT WITHIN THE SHIA...
02:02:45 Katzman, KennethSpecialist WELL, THIS IS WHAT I FIND IN SOME WAYS SOMEWHAT DISINGENUOUS WHEN PRIME MINISTER MALIKI SAYS HIS CRACKDOWN...
02:03:16 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative LET ME INTERRUPT. I DON'T THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. HISTORICALLY, COULD YOU...
02:03:51 Katzman, KennethSpecialist YOU HAD THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR IN 1980, WHICH CORRESPONDED WITH SADDAM'S CRACKDOWN AGAINST ISLAMIST SHIAS....
02:06:28 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS, THOUGH, IS THE IRANIAN CONNECTION. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MOST AMERICANS AND...
02:07:23 Katzman, KennethSpecialist IT IS ACCURATE, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT. WHEN SADDAM WAS OVERTHROWN,...
02:08:33 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative BUT THEY STILL EBULLITIONS WITH THE MALIKI AND THE OTHER PARTIES -- BUT THEY STILL HAVE RELATIONS...
02:08:54 Katzman, KennethSpecialist WHEN MALIKI AND AL-SADR SPLIT IN 2007 THAT COMPLICATED LIFE FOR TEHRAN BECAUSE THEY HAD TO PLAY TWO...
02:09:08 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative IF IT IS COMPLICATED FOR TEHRAN. WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT. I, ALSO, FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE...
02:09:27 Katzman, KennethSpecialist AND THE PROVINCIAL COUNCILS.
02:09:31 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative YES, AND THE PROVINCIAL COUNCILS, THE EQUIVALENT OF OUR STATE LEGISLATORS. IT WOULD APPEAR, GIVEN...
02:10:32 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I BELIEVE THAT MALIKI CAN NO LONGER COUNT ON A MAJORITY OF SEATS IN THE PARLIAMENT. YES, IT COULD...
02:11:00 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative BASED UPON WHAT YOU HAVE READ AND HEARD HERE TODAY, THE LETTER THAT WAS TRANSMITTED TO MYSELF, WHAT...
02:12:23 Katzman, KennethSpecialist MY ASSESSMENT IS THAT THE IRAQIS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AGREE TO A DRAFT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO...
02:13:15 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THE STATEMENT BY THE AYATOLLAH'S AS DONNSUSTANI?
02:13:28 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I THINK HE IS VIEWED AS ALMOST A SEMI-TO-84 HIS STATURE. BUT HE DOES BLOW WITH THE POLITICAL WIND....
02:14:09 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative WERE SURPRISED BY AL- HAKEEM'S POSITION?
02:14:14 Katzman, KennethSpecialist HE WOULD BE THE ONE WHO ONE WOULD THINK WOULD HAVE THE MOST INTEREST IN ALLOWING MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY...
02:14:30 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I NOTED IT WAS JUST I THINK MAYBE TWO OR THREE DAYS AGO WHERE THE FORMER PRIME MINISTER AL JAFARI...
02:16:02 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I THINK WHAT I DISCERN IN IRAQ IS IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WAY ANYWAY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY...
02:16:38 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I'M GOING TO CALL ON MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE FROM WASHINGTON AND GIVE HIM ALL THE TIME HE NEEDS.
02:16:47 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M SORRY I DID NOT HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION. SOME OF MY QUESTIONS MAYBE A...
02:17:23 Katzman, KennethSpecialist THAT IS MY ANALYSIS, ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE IS WHAT I SEE IS AN ALLIANCE OF...
02:17:50 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative THE STATUS QUO?
02:17:52 Katzman, KennethSpecialist YES. SO I ABSOLUTELY SEE THOSE GROUPS SUPPORTING US STAYING.
02:17:59 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative THEN THE THING THAT ONE WOULD ASK ONESELF IS HOW CAN IT BE THAT THIS GROUP OF PARLIAMENTARIANS WHO...
02:18:58 Katzman, KennethSpecialist IT IS NO QUESTION A DIFFICULT SITUATION. I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION HOPE -- OUR ADMINISTRATION.
02:19:07 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative OUR ADMINISTRATION HOPED THAT THE TROOPS SEARCH WOULD CREATE A RELATIVELY PEACEFUL SECURITY SITUATIONS...
02:20:15 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative DOES THAT MEAN MALIKI HAS TO GO?
02:20:16 Katzman, KennethSpecialist NOT NECESSARILY. I PERSONALLY--
02:20:22 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYONE YIELD POWER IN A POLITICAL SITUATION?
02:20:26 Katzman, KennethSpecialist THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS. THE SUNNI BLOCK, THE CONSENSUS BLOCK IS CONSIDERING REJOINING THE CABINET,...
02:20:42 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative FINANCE MINISTER, OR ZERO MINISTERS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THEY WILL GET EDUCATION, CULTURE, ETC.,...
02:20:49 Katzman, KennethSpecialist THAT'S RIGHT. IF I COULD JUST FINISH. ALSO, THE TRIBAL FIGHTERS, THE AWAKENING MOVEMENT, MALIKI WILL...
02:21:20 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative EARLIER IN THIS TIME BACK IN 2003 OR 2004 WE MET WITH SOME -- WE DID A VIDEO CONFERENCE WITH SOME...
02:22:49 Katzman, KennethSpecialist IF WE WERE TO LEAVE TODAY, THEORETICALLY, OR SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, IT IS NO SECRET, MY ASSESSMENT IS...
02:23:17 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative INTO WHAT?
02:23:20 Katzman, KennethSpecialist BACK INTO LITTLE MALICIOUS. -- BACK INTO LITTLE MILITIAS. I DON'T BELIEVE THE MALACC MALIKI GOVERNMENT...
02:23:38 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative IF IT FRACTURES, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT LIKELY SOCIOLOGICAL THING TO HAPPEN?
02:23:45 Katzman, KennethSpecialist MY VIEW IS THAT CERTAIN AREAS WILL BE RELATIVELY STABLE, WHERE YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE HOMOGENOUS....
02:24:21 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative BAGHDAD?
02:24:24 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I THINK IN BAGHDAD YOU WOULD SEE SUBSTANTIAL FIGHTING, WHICH I THINK WOULD COME TO SOME AND. I THINK...
02:24:38 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative LED BY?
02:24:39 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I DON'T KNOW. IT COULD BE AL-SADR. I PERSONALLY THINK HE'S VERY STRONG. MAYBE NOT AL-SADR HIMSELF,...
02:24:59 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative THE TWO GENTLEMEN WERE HERE BOTH RESISTED BEING IDENTIFIED AS SHIA OR SUNNI. THEY SAID WE HAVE BEEN...
02:25:23 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I THINK EVEN MOST SUNNIS WOULD ACCEPT THE IDEA THAT A SHIA WOULD LEAD THE GOVERNMENT, BUT THEY WOULD...
02:25:40 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative KIND OF LIKE LEBANON.
02:25:42 Katzman, KennethSpecialist SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IN ALL FAIRNESS TO MR. PAUL BREMER, WHEN THE GOVERNING COUNCIL WAS FORMED IN...
02:26:26 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative WAS A SECTARIAN OR WAS IT FORMERLY POWERFUL IN THE COUNTRY AND, THEREFORE, WE WANT OUR OLD BUDDIES...
02:26:33 Katzman, KennethSpecialist IT WAS LARGELY ON SECTARIAN. THEY LOOKED AT THE COMPOSITION OF THE GOVERNING COUNCIL AND THEY FELT...
02:26:55 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative THERE WERE COMPLICITOUS IN THAT? ALL THREE GROUPS?
02:27:01 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I BELIEVE SO.
02:27:04 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative THAT BEGAN TO FALL APART WHEN WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT WAS THE PROCESS BY WHICH THAT DID NOT WORK?
02:27:12 Katzman, KennethSpecialist THAT IS THE SITUATION WE HAVE. WE HAVE A SECTARIAN SITUATION. WE'VE HAD THE CIVIL WAR, WE'VE HAD THE...
02:27:41 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative PETER GALBRAITH HAS BEEN RIDING FOR SOME TIME THAT THIS OUGHT TO BE SPLIT INTO THREE PIECES FOR AND...
02:27:54 Katzman, KennethSpecialist MY VIEW HAS BEEN THAT IT IS AN EVOLVING POWER OUT OF BAGHDAD AND GETTING THESE COMMUNITIES TO FOCUS...
02:28:14 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative WOULD BE IN THE INTEREST OF THE ISRAELIS? HOW WOULD THEY LOOKIT THAT POWER-SHARING AGREEMENT?
02:28:21 Katzman, KennethSpecialist THE ISRAELIS?
02:28:23 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative IF IT WERE SPLIT IN THREE?
02:28:26 Katzman, KennethSpecialist MY TALKS WITH THE ISRAELIS AROUND IS THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT ANYTHING THAT STABILIZES. THE ISRAELI...
02:28:48 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative WHERE WOULD THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT AS IT IS NOW BE IF WE STRUCK THE QUDS TRAINING FOR AND THAT WHOLE...
02:29:03 Katzman, KennethSpecialist IT WE ATTACKED?
02:29:05 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative IF WE ATTACKED THE TERRITORY OF IRAN?
02:29:10 Katzman, KennethSpecialist WHAT WE WOULD STRIKE, YOU MEAN?
02:29:12 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative KNOW, THERE'S BEEN TALK IN THE PAPER ABOUT STRIKING A TRAINING CAMP OF THE QUDS.
02:29:20 Katzman, KennethSpecialist OK. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CAMP IS. I THINK IT IS SOMEWHERE WEST OF TEHRAN. THERE'S BEEN TALK OF...
02:30:00 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative IT IS ALL PART OF HIS MOVEMENT?
02:30:05 Katzman, KennethSpecialist MAINLY HIS PEOPLE ARE UNDERGOING THE FIGHTING.
02:30:08 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative IF WE ATTACKED THAT PLACE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE KILLED A THOUSAND TRAINEES?
02:30:15 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I DOUBT THAT IT WOULD STOP THE ACTIVITY. AS A SHOW OF STRENGTH TO SHOW THAT WE CONSIDER IT IRAN MIDDLING...
02:30:42 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative IF THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO ANYTHING IN IRAN THAT WOULD STOP THEIR INVOLVEMENT, GET THEM TO KEEP THEIR...
02:30:56 Katzman, KennethSpecialist MY VIEW, I WROTE A BOOK ON IRAN'S REVOLUTIONARY GUARD, SO I BELIEVE I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT ITS MILITARY...
02:31:04 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative THAT'S WHAT I'M DRIVING AT.
02:31:06 Katzman, KennethSpecialist THEY'RE NOT PARTICULARLY POWERFUL. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT VIEW ON IRAN. I DO BELIEVE THAT...
02:31:17 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative SO, YOU THINK THAT IF WE DID THAT, THEY MIGHT STEP BACK?
02:31:24 Katzman, KennethSpecialist AND SORRY?
02:31:27 McDermott, James "Jim"U.S. Representative THEY MIGHT STEP BACK FROM MEDDLING IN IRAQ?
02:31:29 Katzman, KennethSpecialist THE SUPREME LEADER WAS PRESENT DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR. IN THE LATER STAGES WE CAME IN ON THE SIDE...
02:31:51 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MCDERMOTT. THE REALITY IS WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT IN IRAQ THAT THE ...
02:32:23 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I CONCUR COMPLETELY.
02:32:27 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative SO WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE MILITARY INVASION OF IRAQ IS TO RAISE IRAN TO THE STATUS OF A...
02:33:04 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I BELIEVE IRAN HAS MORE INFLUENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST NOW THAN AT ANY TIME. I'VE BEEN WATCHING CLOSELY....
02:33:14 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative BECAUSE OF AMERICAN ACTION?
02:33:16 Katzman, KennethSpecialist PARTLY SO, YES.
02:33:19 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative THAT WAS A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT ON THE PART OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. PART OF ITS LEGACY IN TERMS OF...
02:33:40 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DR. KATZMAN, A MASSAR EM LATE, BUT I WANTED TO PICK UP ON WHAT ...
02:34:21 Katzman, KennethSpecialist IN TERMS OF GROUND FORCES, I WOULD SAY NOT. IN TERMS OF MISSILE AND UNCONVENTIONAL FORCE, ABILITY...
02:34:46 Katzman, KennethSpecialist -THROUGH SURROGATES.
02:34:47 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative COMPARED TO THE AIR FORCE SADDAM HAD?
02:34:49 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative INTERIOR. --INFERIOR TO THE AIR FORCE OF SADDAM.
02:35:02 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative IF THIS HAPPENED, THAT WE DID GO IN AND HAD SOME TYPE OF AIR STRIKES AGAINST IRAN, IS IT YOUR OPINION...
02:35:38 Katzman, KennethSpecialist MY ASSESSMENT IS THAT IF THEY WERE TRYING TO RETALIATE AGAINST US FOR ANY STRIKE, THEIR MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY...
02:35:55 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative I THINK WE ALL KNOW AND YOU HEARD ME SAY EARLIER, I'M ON THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE, OUR TROOPS...
02:37:42 Katzman, KennethSpecialist IN MY OPINION THE SCENARIO FOR ENGAGING IRAN WOULD NOT BE THROUGH GROUND ACTION. I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING...
02:37:54 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative IF THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SOMEHOW RETALIATE AND THAT RETALIATION WOULD BE THAT THEY...
02:38:16 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MUCH DESCENT INTO IRAQ BY THE TIME THE U.S. NAVY AND AIR FORCE...
02:38:28 Jones, Walter B. Jr.U.S. Representative MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
02:38:29 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I THANK THE GENTLEMAN. WE ENJOY THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, MR. KATZMAN, SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO...
02:38:43 Katzman, KennethSpecialist I'M NOT ADVOCATING MILITARY--
02:38:47 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative I UNDERSTAND THAT.
02:38:49 Katzman, KennethSpecialist MY POSITION ON IRAN IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN IRAQ, THIS IS NO SECRET. KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT...
02:39:04 Delahunt, William "Bill" D.U.S. Representative WE APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT I FIND INTERESTING IS THE LACK OF CONSULTATION THAT HAS UNLEASHED A FIRESTORM...

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