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C-SPAN, CREATED BY PUBLIC SERVICE BY AMERICAN CABLE COMPANIES. |
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MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE MET TO DETERMINE THE FATE OF THE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN... |
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GOOD MORNING. COMMITTEE MEETING. I DARE SAY AS I GAZE ABOUT THIS ROOM THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST... |
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THANK YOU, SECRETARY HERMAN. I'D LIKE TO JOIN IN THE SENT AMS YOU JUST EXPRESSED, AND INDEED, INVITE... |
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PRESENT. |
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JAMES ROOSEVELT, PRESENT. DONNA BRAZZIL. |
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MARK BREWER. MARTHA FULLER CLARK. RALPH DAWSON. CAROL FOWLER. CAROL FOWLER. WE'LL COME BACK TO HER.... |
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PRESENT. |
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ALICE HUFFMAN. |
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PRESENT. |
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THOMAS HINES. HAROLD ICKES. BEN JOHNSON. HE LANE KAYMARK. ALAN KATZ. ERIC KLINEFELD. DAVID MCDONALD,... |
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HERE. |
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JEROME WILEY. |
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HERE. |
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AND LET ME RETURN, CAROL FOWLER. WE DEFINITELY HAVE A QUORUM. I'D ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE STAFF... |
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WE WILL NOW STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. |
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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS,... |
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BEFORE WE MOVE ON, SECRETARY HERMAN AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR... |
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JIM, LET ME THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND ALEXIS, FOR YOUR EXTRAORDINARY HARD WORK. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY... |
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THANK YOU, GOVERNOR DEAN FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AS CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. THANK... |
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AS YOU KNOW, MANY OF US HAVE BEEN AROUND THIS TABLE FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS. WE FIRST REALLY BEGIN... |
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I WILL BEGIN WITH SETTING THE BACKGROUND WITH RESPECT TO THE FLORIDA CHALLENGE. WE WILL THEN PROCEED... |
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WE WILL START WITH THE CHALLENGE CONCERNING FLORIDA. WE WOULD ASK MR. OSMOND TO PLEASE TAKE HIS SEAT.... |
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POINT OF INFORMATION. |
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POINT OF INFORMATION. |
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BOTH THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN HAVE INTERVENED IN THIS CHALLENGE.... |
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THAT IS CORRECT. BOTH HAVE INTERVENED IN THIS CHALLENGE. AFTER MR. OSMAN, WE WILL CERTAINLY HEAR FROM... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO COME HERE AND TO LISTEN TO... |
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I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOUR AT THE THRESHOLD. IF YOU COULD ATTEMPT -- WE WILL GRANT YOU AN ADDITIONAL... |
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THANK YOU. IT STATES THAT THE DNC RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE CAN IMPOSE ADDITIONAL PENALTIES INCLUDING... |
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THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] WE WILL NOW ENTERTAIN FOR THE NEXT FEW MOMENTS QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS... |
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WHEN I READ RULE 20C, I DO NOT SEE THE LANGUAGE THAT THE PENALTY IS NOT PERMITTED TO SERVE AS DELEGATES.... |
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DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE EFFECT OF YOUR CHALLENGE WOULD BE TO UPGRADE THE VOTES OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO... |
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IT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS APPEAL. I WILL SAY THAT I KNOW WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS. FLORIDA DELEGATES... |
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MADAM CHAIR, I WANT TO ASSERT CATEGORICALLY THAT MR. OSMOND'S INTERPRETATION OF THE LANGUAGE CREATING... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU HERE. I FIGURED IT LI'S I NEEDED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION OR TWO.... |
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CERTAINLY. BEFORE I GET THAT, I WANT TO GO BACK TO DON. I AM RESPECTFUL OF THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY,... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR IT WILL ENTERTAIN ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT SPEAKER.... |
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THANK YOU. I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE THOROUGHNESS OF YOUR REVIEW OF THE RULES. I WOULD LIKE... |
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IT IS MANDATORY. SHALL PERMIT IS DISCRETIONARY. YOU DO HAVE A DEGREE OF DISCRETION. THE QUESTION... |
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WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VERY THOROUGH AND COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION. I THANK YOU FOR MORE THAN... |
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IF YOU COULD GIVE ME ONE MINUTE OR TWO TO CLEAR OFF THE TABLE FOR |
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THANK YOU. @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ |
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THE STATE PARTIES, AS LISTED INITIALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTERVENE IN THESE FOR A FEE -- IN THESE... |
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THANK YOU. SECRETARY HERMAN, CHAIRMAN ROOSEVELT, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, NEEDLESS TO SAY, I AM ... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR NELSON. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAD TO SAY. ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE... |
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SORRY. MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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IS THERE A POINT OF |
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NO. IT'S A QUESTION. |
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I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SENATOR NELSON. YOUR SERVICE, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT... |
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MS. GRIFFIN, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR ARGUMENT. I WOULD PERHAPS AGREE WITH YOUR ARGUMENT IF WE HAD... |
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DAVID MACDONALD, NEXT QUESTION. |
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THANK YOU FOR COMING, SENATOR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF FACTUAL QUESTIONS. THE MATERIAL SUBMITTED, YOU ... |
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AND A GUITAR, THAT IS NOT. |
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NO DEMOCRATIC PROFESSIONAL EVER VOTED IN FAVOR OF THAT? |
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I WAS NOT GOING TO REHASH THIS IN THE INTERESTED PARTY UNITY, BUT NOW THAT YOU HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION,... |
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IS I DO NOT WANT TO BE ADVERSARIAL, I DO NOT INTEND THAT. I SIMPLY WANTED TO ESTABLISH A FACT. THE... |
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NO, SIR. WE CAME HERE, I CAME HERE IN THE SPIRIT OF UNITY TRYING TO BRING US TOGETHER. I DID NOT... |
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THINK YOU FOR THE EFFORT, THAT WAS MY INTENT IN ASKING THE QUESTION. |
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WE HAVE TIME FOR TWO MORE QUESTIONS. |
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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. BRINGING US BACK INTO DE'S PROCEEDINGS FROM YESTERDAY OF PROCEEDINGS, I... |
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YES, I DO. |
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AND THE FINAL QUESTION IS FROM ALICE HUDSON. |
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I BELIEVE THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR, |
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[APPLAUSE] |
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LET ME ADD MY THANKS TO CHAIRMAN ROOSEVELT FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. AND NOW IT IS MY REAL PLEASURE TO... |
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I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR ALLOWING ME TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY.... |
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JUST ONE MORE MINUTE. |
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THANK YOU. AMERICA'S PROMISE TO HER STATES AND HER CITIZENS IS EMBODIED IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION,... |
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I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RESPONSE FROM THE ROOM, SENATOR THAT YOUR REMARKS WERE WELL-RECEIVED... |
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ABSOLUTELY. [APPLAUSE] |
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ABSOLUTELY, I'M SURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE DOUBLED THE NUMBER. |
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WHEN WE GET THROUGH WITH THESE QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. |
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VERY GOOD. YVONNE GATES? |
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JUST ONE QUESTION TO SENATOR JOYNER. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND YOUR COMMENTS VERY -- WERE VERY... |
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I'VE BEEN TAUGHT THAT WHEN YOU WANT SOMETHING YOU ASK FOR WHAT YOU WANT. IN LIFE YOU DON'T GET EVERYTHING... |
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SO YOUR REQUEST IS FOR A FULL VOTE AS OPPOSED TO THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL BY MR. AUSMAN? |
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YES, I'M ASKING FOR A FULL VOTE. |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY -- [APPLAUSE] |
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LOOK, IT'S ALMOST NOON. I'M FINALLY GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, SO GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU. FIRST OF... |
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PLEASE KNOW THAT THE FLORIDA DELEGATION IS IN FULL COMPLIANCE. OUR CHAIR, KAREN THURMAN IS A STONE'S... |
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THE LAST SPEAKER FOR THIS ROUTE |
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THE . |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, IT HAS BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO LISTEN TO YOU. GETTING TO A PARTICULAR... |
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ABSOLUTELY. EVERY VOTE SHOULD COUNT. IT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL HALLMARK OF DEMOCRACY, THE RIGHT TO VOTE.... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOUR ELEGANCE AND DETERMINATION HAVE MOVED THE ROOM. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH... |
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WE HAVE A POINT OF INFORMATION QUESTION FROM DON. |
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MADAM CHAIR, THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM FLORIDA RESPONDED TO A QUESTION ABOUT HIS ENDORSEMENT AND SUPPORT... |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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HE WAS ASKING -- |
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OH, SENATOR -- |
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ALL RIGHT, THE FINAL -- |
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YOU RESPONDED TO A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR SUPPORT OF JOHN OSMOND'S -- |
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DON, THIS IS OUT OF ORDER. YOU'RE ASKING ANOTHER QUESTION BEYOND THE QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. |
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IT'S A ONE -- |
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IT'S ONE QUESTION, I KNOW. BUT IT'S OUT OF ORDER. THE FINAL INTERVENER WITH REGARD TO MR. OSMOND'S... |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOVERNOR DEAN, MS. HERMAN, MR. ROOSEVELT, COMMITTEE MEMBERS,... |
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PLEASE DO AS THIS COMMITTEE IS DOING AND SHOW RESPECT TO ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS HERE TODAY. CONGRESSMAN?... |
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SENATOR OBAMA OFFERS THIS CONCESSION IN ORDER TO PROMOTE RECOGNIZE SILLINGS WITH FLORIDA'S VOTERS.... |
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THANK YOU |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR IMPASSIONED PRESENTATION AS WELL. WE DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND WOW, YOU FLORIDA ELECTED OFFICIALS JUST TAKE MY BREATH AWAY. THIS HAS... |
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LET US GO TO THE CONVENTION. |
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I'M WORKING ON THAT. |
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SOUNDS LIKE A SONG, ALICE. I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SEE THE FLORIDA DELEGATION SEATED IN SOME FORM AND... |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. PLEASE UNDERSTAND I REPRESENT A CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT WHERE MANY PEOPLE... |
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THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN. AS THE GRANDSON OF THE PERSON WHO COINED THE PHRASE "THE HAPPY WARRIOR" WHEN... |
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THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND THEN I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, OR QUESTION... |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. WE ARE HERE ARGUING FOR THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DELEGATES THAT YOUR RULES... |
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SO YOU WOULD NOT OPPOSE FULL VOTES, FULL DELEGATION. WOULD YOU OPPOSE IT? |
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WE HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTION IN THIS SENSE -- |
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- |
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THE ISSUE IS HOW DO WE BECOME UNIFIED IN YOU HAVE AN AUSMAN PETITION BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE. THE AUSMAN... |
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THANK YOU, CONGRESSMAN. I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER. AND ONE FAMILIAR FILED POINT? |
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YES. |
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IN YOUR PRESENTATION, CONGRESSMAN YOU REFERRED TO THE D.N.C. STAFF OR D.N.C. SAYING THAT THE CANDIDATES... |
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YOU'RE READING IT CORRECTLY, YES. |
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SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COUCH PARTICIPATED IN THE SLATING PROCESS OR YOU COULD HAVE CHOSEN NOT TOO?... |
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YES. |
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THANK YOU. |
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I THINK CONGRESSMAN WEXLER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT STATEMENT. |
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THE RULES COMMITTEE INFORMED THE CANDIDATES IN WRITING THAT THE DELEGATE SLATING AND CANDIDATE APPROVAL... |
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EXCUSE ME, I JUST -- I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT BUT I REALLY WANT US TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE AN... |
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I THINK THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED. IMAGE WHEN WE GET TO OUR ARGUMENT THIS AFTERNOON WE CAN COME... |
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CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSIONATE PRESENTATION. BEFORE ASKING MY QUESTION, I THOUGHT IT USEFUL... |
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AT THE TIME THAT SORT OF VOTED IN MARCH, SENATOR KERREY WAS EFFECTIVELY THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE. THERE... |
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DO YOU HAVE A BRIEF FOLLOW-UP QUESTION? |
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YES, CONGRESSMAN. I GATHER THAT YOU DO AGREE WITH THE KONG SH -- THE CONCEPT OF FAIR REFLECTION UNDER... |
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THE CONCEPT OF FAIR REFLECTION? YOU WILL HAVE TO EDUCATE ME ON WHAT THE CONCEPT OF FAIR REFLECTION... |
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WE WILL TURN TO RALPH DAWSON FOR THE QUESTION. HE CHOSE NOT TO SPEAK FURTHER. |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. IN THE OFFER TO SUPPORT A PLAN... |
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FOUGHT WILL ADJUST ITS PLAN FOR OUR AUDIENCE THAT IN THE RULES LANGUAGE, IT MEANS CANDIDATE RIGHT... |
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I UNDERSTOOD THE CONGRESSMAN TO SAY THAT THIS IS THEIR INTENT CONSISTENT WITH THAT. |
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THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AS WELL. " THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE DISTINGUISHED PANEL FROM FLORIDA. I HAVE BEEN ENLIGHTENED TODAY. I HAVE... |
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RESPECTFULLY, I WISH YOU HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION LAST YEAR. THIS COMMITTEE -- IF I UNDERSTAND THE... |
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A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. |
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CONGRESSMEN, YOU ARE VERY ELOQUENT. I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WOULD TRULY ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE... |
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LET US ALLOW HIM TO ANSWER. |
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UNDERSTAND THAT THE PETITION IS BASED ON THE VOTES THAT WERE CAST. THE DIVISION OF DELEGATES IS BASED... |
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ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY GOOD FRIEND FOR COMING IN FOR BEING AS ELOQUENT... |
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THANK YOU, WE WILL CITE THAT -- WILL -- WE WILL SAVE THAT FOR ARGUMENT LATER ON. |
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HANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] |
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WE WANT TO AGAIN THANK ALL OF THE PETITIONERS, THE SPEAKERS FROM FLORIDA WHO HAVE COME BEFORE THE... |
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PLEASE TAKE ANY CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE. |
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IN THE SPRING OF 2007, THE MICHIGAN STATE PARTY DRAFTED A DELICATE -- A DELEGATE SELECTION PLAN AND... |
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I WILL LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT THAT IN THIS CASE, THE CHALLENGER IS THE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THEREFORE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE PEOPLE FROM MICHIGAN WHO ARE HERE WITH ME TODAY. SENATOR... |
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THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN BREWER. THE FIRST QUESTION WILL BE FROM TINA FLED FLENOY. |
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I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE THAT I ACTUALLY WENT TO LAW SCHOOL BECAUSE I COULD NOT DO MATH. IF I AM HEARING... |
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THIS IS SOMETHING OF A FIRST IMPRESSION FOR ME. WE WOULD SAY THAT THE VOTES THAT WERE CAST IN THE... |
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BECAUSE YOU HAD FOR WHATEVER REASON AND INCOMPLETE BALLOT, WHICH DID NOT GIVE US A TRUE PICTURE OF... |
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DID YOU ALSO HAVE A QUESTION? |
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MAYBE SHE IS GOING TO GET TO THIS. |
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I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I FOLLOW SOME OF THIS. HOW MANY VOTES WERE ACTUALLY COUNTED IN THE MICHIGAN... |
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APPROXIMATELY 594,000 VOTES AND THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. |
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OTHER 30,000 WERE SIMPLY NOT COUNTED? |
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CORRECT. WATCH WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE WHO -- WITH A VOTED FOR, CAN YOU THINK IT REASONABLE... |
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YES. |
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THANK YOU. |
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WHAT I AM CONFUSED ABOUT AND WHAT YOU DID IN MICHIGAN IS IS FAIRLY CLEAR IN THE RULES THAT UNCOMMITTED... |
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I THINK WE FIND OURSELVES IN A VERY EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION. THIS IS NOT THE NORMAL SITUATION WHERE... |
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I HAVE FIVE QUESTIONERS LISTED SO FAR. I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A BRIEF QUESTIONS AND BRIEF ANSWERS.... |
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I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. I MUST SAY THAT I FEEL A LITTLE BIT... |
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ON THE EXIT POLLING DATA, IT IS USED PRINCIPALLY TO AWARD OR ALLOCATE IN OUR VIEW THE UNCOMMITTED... |
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THANK YOU. WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS REMEMBERING BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ACTUALLY LIKE -- WE LOOK AT IT... |
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THERE ARE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THERE. I BELIEVE HAVE THE BALLOT IN COMPLETE EVEN WITHOUT CAMPAIGNING,... |
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THANK YOU. AS WITH THIS MORNING, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS CHALLENGE IS SAYING WITH RESPECT... |
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I DO NOT THINK THE RULE APPLIES HERE BECAUSE YOU DID NOT HAVE A CAUCUS, CONVENTION, OR PRIMARY THAT... |
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ARE YOU RELYING ON ANY RULE? |
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WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS SITUATION TO MAKE AN ALLOCATION. WE CANNOT SIMPLY DO NOTHING. I HAVE... |
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I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FURTHER FACTS IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FOUR CANDIDATES... |
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THAT IS A CORRECT STATEMENT OF FACT. MY CONCERN IS NOT ABOUT THE CANDIDATE. MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE... |
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THIS ROUTE WILL BE F |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MARK, SEVERAL CONNECTIVE QUESTIONS, ON THE BALLOT THAT DAY, WHAT OTHER OFFICES... |
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THERE WERE OTHER ELECTIONS THAT DAY. THERE WERE SOME LOCAL ELECTIONS WHICH THEY TRADITIONALLY WOULD... |
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BUT THERE WERE SOME LOCAL ELECTIONS? |
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YES. |
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YOU TALKED ABOUT -- I WANT TO GO BACK TO DON FOWLER'S QUESTION AND TO ELLEN CAT'S PAWS REFERENCE TO... |
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THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IN RESPONSE AT THAT TO THAT, WE'VE USED EXIT POLLS IN THIS COMMITTEE... |
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THANK YOU CHAIRMAN BREWER FOR A VERY CLEAR AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION. |
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LET ME ADD MY THANKS AS WELL. CHAIRMAN BREWER, WE'RE NOW READY FOR THE NEXT SPEAKER TO TAKE THE PODIUM... |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THOSE COMMENTS. MEMBERS OF THE RULES AND BILAWS COMMITTEE, THANK YOU SO MUCH... |
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IT WAS A VERY MINOR CHANGE, BUT VERY MAJOR IN TERMS OF THE DIRECTION OF THIS PARTY TO OPEN UP THIS... |
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. WE HAVE SEVERAL HANDS UP AND WE HAVE SOME HANDS FROM THE LAST ROUND THAT WE PROMISED WOULD HAVE... |
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THANK YOU. SENATOR, I APPLAUD THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN THE SENATE AND YOU HAVE BEEN A CHAMPION FOR... |
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THANK YOU. COULD I COMMENT ON THAT? |
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YES, SENATOR. |
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I FULLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID BUT I WANTED TO SAY I VOTED FOR IT. I WAS ON THAT COMMISSION WHICH... |
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ALICE. |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU AND THANK THE ENTIRE WORKING GROUP. I KNOW... |
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THANK YOU. WHAT THE CLINTON PEOPLE ARGUED WAS THAT WE OUGHT TO DIVIDE THE 128 DELEGATES, 73-55 WHICH... |
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OR YOU COULD TAKE 100% REFLECTION OF THE VOTE, WHICH THE CLINTON PEOPLE WANT TO DO, AND IGNORE THE... |
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THE NEXT SPEAKER, MIKE STEAD, THAT WAS WAITING FROM THE FIRST ROUND. AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, IF WE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND TRYING TO ENSHURURE GREATER PARITY IF YOU... |
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I WON'T ASK IF THERE IS A SECOND TO THAT. |
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AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRECEDENCE THAT WE SET HERE. AND THERE ARE TWO THAT I HAVE IN MIND. ... |
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WE HAVE HIT A COMPROMISING POSITION OF THESE DELEGATES AND THAT'S WHAT THE DISTRICT CONVENTIONS USED,... |
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AND THE LAST SPEAKER OF THIS ROUND, AND WE ARE OVER ROUNDS WITH MR. LEVIN, AND MR. RICKIES. |
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SENATOR LEVIN, THERE ARE FEW PEOPLE I ADMIRE IN PUBLIC LIFE THAN YOU, AND ONE OF THE REASONS IS YOUR... |
| 03:55:13 |
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WE ARE OUT OF TIME. |
| 03:55:15 |
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I WANTED TO ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION. |
| 03:55:19 |
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WE REALLY ARE OUT OF TIME. |
| 03:55:21 |
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YOU MENTIONED; YOU MENTIONED IN PASSING, I THINK A FEW MOMENTS AGO OF GOING TO CREDENTIAL COMMITTEE,... |
| 03:55:32 |
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LET ME SEE IF I CAN REMEMBER YOUR FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD QUESTION, SO. HOW DO YOU HAVE, YOU ARE ... |
| 03:58:35 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 03:58:39 |
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MADAM CHAIR, I ASK A SECOND QUESTION, YOU MADE A PASSING REFERENCE ABOUT CREDENTIAL COMMITTEE, AND... |
| 03:58:48 |
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WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING, IF YOU ARE UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO REACH A CONCLUSION ON THE PROPORTION ISSUE,... |
| 03:59:18 |
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THANK YOU SENATOR, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LEADERSHIP. [APPLAUSE] WE THANK THE OTHER MEMBERS WHO... |
| 04:00:08 |
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THIRD THANK YOU. FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. I AM DAVID BOWN FROM MICHIGAN AND FORMER HOUSE OF... |
| 04:15:11 |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO BACK TO LIZ SMITH. |
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THANK YOU, ACTUALLY MY QUESTION WAS AIMED AT SENATOR LEVIN, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY WELCOME, AND IT'S... |
| 04:15:38 |
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NICE TO SEE YOU LIZ. |
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I AM REALLY CONCERNED, AND WE CALL MICHIGAN A FLAWED PRIMARY, AND I ASSUME BECAUSE THERE WERE THREE... |
| 04:17:37 |
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I JUST, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW ALL YOU SMART GUYS, AND DEBBIE, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE OUT DEBBIE, AND... |
| 04:18:38 |
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WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR YEARS OF HARD WORK FOR THE PARTY, AND IT'S BEEN... |
| 04:20:57 |
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THANK YOU, MRS. RALLY. |
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CONGRESSMAN, I AM TROUBLED BY THE MICHIGAN SITUATION AND DIFFERENT TO ME THAN FLORIDA. AND I LOOK... |
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AND AS I SAID IN MY TESTIMONY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESPECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE VOTER, THOSE... |
| 04:24:28 |
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CONGRESSMAN, AND I AGREE WITH MOST YOU SAID, AND THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THE UNKNOWN. AND YOU ARE RIGHT,... |
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OKAY, WE HAVE, I AM GOING TO RECOGNIZE TWO MORE SPEAKERS FOR THIS ROUND, BECAUSE THEIR HANDS HAVE... |
| 04:25:52 |
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THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION CONGRESSMAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT MICHIGAN IS IN THE MIDST... |
| 04:26:37 |
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AND THERE ARE MEETINGS AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING SINCE THE JANUARY 15TH DATE AND EVENT. AND SO... |
| 04:27:45 |
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MRS. LANOY. |
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THANK YOU, I HAVE A QUESTION AND A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. AND CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU, AND NICE TO... |
| 04:28:15 |
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MARK CAN HELP YOU RIGHT THERE. |
| 04:28:21 |
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WE USED THE 73-55 BUT DID IT IN A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE 69-59 FORMULA, I.E., ENCOURAGED AND WORKED... |
| 04:28:48 |
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THANK YOU, AND THE JANUARY PRIMARY HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED AND USED IN YOUR SLATING. AND THE OTHER POINT,... |
| 04:29:53 |
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UNLESS THERE IS A POINT OF INFORMATION, THAT MR. SHEA WANTS TO RAISE, I HAVE MR. FILER AND MR. RICKIES... |
| 04:30:13 |
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YES THIS IS A POINT OF INFORMATION, AND CAN WE MOVE THIS PROCESS WITH QUESTIONS, RATHER THAN COMMENTS.... |
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YES. |
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ABSOLUTELY AGREE. [APPLAUSE] |
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POINT OF CLARIFICATION, MR. SHEA. |
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YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, AND I AM GARY SHEA, AND FROM THE CALIFORNIA PARTY, AND I AM IN FAVOR OF RESTORING... |
| 04:30:58 |
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WE SUPPORT OF SEATING THE DELEGATIONS IN FULL. AND THAT'S A DECISION THAT THIS COMMITTEE WILL HAVE... |
| 04:31:18 |
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THANK YOU SENATOR AND CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS. [APPLAUSE] |
| 04:31:30 |
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NOW THE TURN OF THE CAMPAIGN OF SENATOR CLINTON TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO... |
| 04:31:57 |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, AN MADAM SECRETARY CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE AND TO ALL THE MEMBERS.... |
| 04:33:38 |
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AND WE ARE SO GRATEFUL. |
| 04:33:42 |
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AND SO IS THE WORLD. YOU KNOW ON BEHALF OF SENATOR CLINTON AND GOVERNOR GREMHOME AND WE URGE TO MAKE... |
| 04:43:49 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH GOVERNOR. AND WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE INDICATED THEY HAVE QUESTIONS,... |
| 04:44:00 |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. GOVERNOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I WONDERED,... |
| 04:44:20 |
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WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY PROPOSAL, BUT WE SUPPORT THE 73-55. SPEAKING AS JIM... |
| 04:44:54 |
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BUT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PRIMARY BEING FLAWED. |
| 04:44:58 |
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NO. |
| 04:45:01 |
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YOU THINK IT WAS AN EFFECTIVE PRIMARY THAT TRULY REFLECTS THE PREFERENCE OF THE VOTERS OF MICHIGAN?... |
| 04:45:08 |
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I THINK THAT IT REFLECTED THE VOTERS AT THAT TIME. I THINK THAT MOST OF THE UNCOMMITTED WERE FOR OBAMA... |
| 04:46:25 |
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JUST TO FINISH THE FIRST POINT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE UNITY IN MICHIGAN THAT SENATOR... |
| 04:46:39 |
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AND SENATOR LEVIN INDICATED THAT CONGRESSMAN BONOIR WOULD TAKE DIFFERENT POSITIONS. HE DID NOT INACCURATELY... |
| 04:46:52 |
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ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT YOU MADE, THAT THESE RULES OF THE PARTY SHOULD NOT BE USED IN INAPPROPRIATE... |
| 04:47:25 |
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I THINK YOU NEED A SCHEDULE, BUT I THINK YOU MADE A BIG MISTAKE NOT ROTATING THE SCHEDULE, I AGREE... |
| 04:48:21 |
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AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE RULES, AND EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK THEY ARE NOT IN GOOD... |
| 04:48:31 |
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I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE RULES AND I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE RULES THAT DISEN FRANCHISE VOTERS.... |
| 04:48:47 |
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I BELIEVE THAT THESE RULES ARE REASONABLE AND FAIR AND THE PRODUCT OF YEARS OF STUDY. |
| 04:48:55 |
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WE WILL DEBATE THIS AFTER LUNCH. |
| 04:48:59 |
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I COULDN'T LET A COMMENT LIKE THAT GO UNANSWERED. |
| 04:49:21 |
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AND WOULD WE ARE SOUTH DAKOTA AND WE DID A REAL DISSERVICE TO BE AT THE END OF THE PRIMARY SEASON.... |
| 04:50:05 |
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AS A MINNESOTA LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, AND I KNOW THAT TOM CONCURS. |
| 04:50:15 |
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YES HE DOES. AND WE ARE AT THE END AND WE HAVE ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT... |
| 04:50:36 |
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WELL, FIRST OF ALL, NUMBER ONE, AS I MENTIONED, HILLARY CLINTON TOOK NO POSITION OF WHETHER MICHIGAN... |
| 04:51:19 |
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NEXT QUESTION IS FROM DON FALLIC. |
| 04:51:23 |
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AND QUESTION THAT TOM HYNES RAISED AND HAS BEEN RAISED BY SENATOR LEVIN AND CONGRESSMAN BONEIR AND... |
| 04:54:09 |
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WELL, OUR POSITION IS THAT THE DELEGATES SHOULD BE ALLOCATED ACCORDING TO THE PRIMARY, 73 DELEGATES... |
| 04:54:42 |
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ALLEN KATZ. |
| 04:54:44 |
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I WAS REFERRING TO SUPERDELEGATES ON THAT ONE. |
| 04:54:48 |
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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE GOVERNOR. AND SOME OBSERVATIONS AND IT SEEMS THAT PEOPLE ASK THE QUESTION... |
| 04:57:38 |
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FIRST OF ALL, THE PRINCIPLE IS TO TREAT THE RIGHT VOTERS, THE RIGHT TO VOTE, SACRED. THAT'S WHAT IS... |
| 04:58:32 |
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MARTHA FULLER CLARK. |
| 04:58:34 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO STATE -- I AM SORRY. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE VOTERS IN MICHIGAN WHO WERE TOLD THAT... |
| 05:00:14 |
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I AGREE WITH THAT. THE ONE THING I WOULD TAKE EXCEPTION TO, THAT DURING THE RUN UP TO THE JANUARY... |
| 05:01:21 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THAT 30,000 VOTERS DIDN'T GET THAT MESSAGE AND THEY FILED A WRITE- IN VOTE.... |
| 05:01:36 |
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AND MRS. CLARK, IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, WE WOULD COUNT THEM. |
| 05:01:43 |
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DONNA BRAZIL. |
| 05:01:46 |
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A COMMENT WAS MADE THAT GOES TO THE HEART THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, IN TERMS THE WAY WE HAVE USED... |
| 05:03:06 |
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IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN HAD NO REPRESENTATIVES AND DOES NOT ON THAT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE,... |
| 05:03:53 |
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AND AS WE ARE DOING TODAY AND TO COME UP WITH A POLITICAL COMPROMISE. AND I WANT TO BE ON RECORD,... |
| 05:04:44 |
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GOOD. |
| 05:04:47 |
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BUT I AM NOT, AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUR MOTHER. BUT MY MAMA TAUGHT ME TO PLAY BY THE RULES AND RESPECT... |
| 05:06:57 |
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GOVERNOR, GOVERNOR, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT COMMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION. |
| 05:07:03 |
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WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AND I GUESS I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. HILLARY CLINTON... |
| 05:08:09 |
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WE HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND THAT'S FROM HAROLD. |
| 05:08:21 |
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NOT HAROLD LICKY. |
| 05:08:23 |
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THANK YOU GOVERNOR, I APPLAUD YOU AND I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OF YOU, AND SINCE CONGRESSMAN BONOIR IS... |
| 05:08:40 |
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THIS IS A QUESTION PERIOD, HAROLD, IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, YOU CAN SAVE THOSE. [APPLAUSE] |
| 05:08:50 |
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SO THERE WOULD BE FULL DEBATE RIGHT AFTER LUNCH. WE HAVE -- |
| 05:09:00 |
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BEFORE, BEFORE YOU DEPART AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK YOU, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN... |
| 05:09:33 |
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GOVERNOR, THANK YOU FOR A CLEAR PRESENTATION AND FOR A GREAT INTERACTION WITH THE COMMITTEE FOR THE... |
| 05:09:41 |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND OPPORTUNITY. |
| 05:09:44 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
| 05:09:48 |
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AND I WANT TO THANK, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO MADE ORAL ARGUMENTS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE TODAY. ... |
| 05:10:35 |
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WE DETERMINED THAT THE TIME FOR RECONVENING DAU -- DUE TO THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR, WILL BE 4:15.... |
| 05:10:59 |
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THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, FOR EVERYONE LEAVING THROUGH THE BACK, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR CREDENTIAL,... |
| 05:11:21 |
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AND WE WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECESS UNTIL 4:15, AND MOVED AND SECONDED. AND ALL IN FAVOR.... |
| 05:12:06 |
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AFTER A THREE HOUR BREAK, MEMBERS OF THE DNC RULES COMMITTEE, REASSEMBLED TO VOTE ON THE DELEGATES... |
| 05:13:07 |
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THE RULES BYLAWS COMMITTEE IS BACK IN SESSION. FINALLY. [APPLAUSE] NOT ONLY HAS THERE OBVIOUSLY BEEN... |
| 05:14:17 |
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WE WILL CONDUCT THE MOTIONS TO CONSIDER THE CHALLENGES IN THE ORDER THAT WE HEARD THE PRESENTATIONS... |
| 05:16:39 |
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THANK YOU MADAM CO-CHAIR. I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO PLACE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WE FULLY... |
| 05:17:10 |
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JUST ONE MOMENT, I WOULD KINDLY REQUEST IN THE INTEREST OF THE DEBATE AND THE DELIBERATIONS THAT WE... |
| 05:18:07 |
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AS I SAID, MY MOTION, I WON'T REPEAT, I DON'T WANT THE NOISE, AND TO GIVE THEIR FULL VOTING RIGHTS... |
| 05:18:19 |
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SECOND. |
| 05:18:21 |
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IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR. SORRY, MOVE TO DISCUSSION, MY ERROR, I AM REALLY READY TO GO... |
| 05:18:33 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION. |
| 05:18:36 |
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YOU MAY SPEAK TO THE MOTION AS MAKER OF THE MOTION. |
| 05:18:41 |
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MADAM CHAIR, I POINTED OUT IN FORMAL AND INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS, THAT I AM SURE I AM NOT ALONE, BUT... |
| 05:22:19 |
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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS MOTION? |
| 05:22:25 |
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MADAM CHAIR. |
| 05:22:30 |
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DAVID MCDONALD. |
| 05:22:32 |
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I POSED THE MOTION, BUT I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INDICATE WHY AND TO WHAT EXTENT. ESSENTIALLY THIS... |
| 05:24:54 |
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EVAN GATES. |
| 05:24:59 |
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MADAM CO-CHAIR, I WANT TO SAY, I TOO AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THE MOTION. BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS,... |
| 05:25:57 |
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THANK YOU TINA FLANOY. |
| 05:25:59 |
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THANK YOU MADAM SECRETARY. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALICE HOFMAN THAT THROUGHOUT YESTERDAY AND... |
| 05:27:09 |
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FLORIDA. |
| 05:27:11 |
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FLORIDA, MICHIGAN IS ON MY BRAIN. THAT FLORIDA, I WISH MY COLLEAGUES WOULD VOTE DIFFERENTLY. AND... |
| 05:31:01 |
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HAROLD ICKIES. |
| 05:31:02 |
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I'LL BE BRIEF. I WANT TO ASSOCIATE MY COMMENTS |
| 05:31:10 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 05:31:13 |
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I WANT TO THANK ALICE, WHO HAS BEEN A LONG TIME MENTOR, BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE THOUSANDS... |
| 05:32:34 |
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I BELIEVE THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED BY MIKE STEED. ARE WE READY FOR THE VOTE? THE VOTE WILL CARRY... |
| 05:34:02 |
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THERE ARE 12 VOTES IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION. ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION AS PRESENTED BY MISS HUFFMAN,... |
| 05:34:34 |
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THERE ARE 15 VOTES OPPOSED TO THE MOTION. [APPLAUSE] ARE THERE -- ARE THERE -- [CROWD YELLING] |
| 05:35:04 |
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CAN WE ASK THE SPECTATORS -- |
| 05:35:06 |
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PLEASE ASK THE SPECTATORS -- WE HAVE NOT CONCLUDED OUR VOTE. ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS ON THIS VOTE?... |
| 05:35:48 |
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CHAIRS, IN VIEW OF THE IMPRESSIVE AND HEARTFELT PRESENTATIONS BY THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE STATE... |
| 05:37:34 |
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FOR THE RECORD YOU MEAN VOTES. |
| 05:37:37 |
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DELEGATE VOTES. |
| 05:37:39 |
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RIGHT. |
| 05:37:41 |
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DELL GAIT VOTES. FURTHER, ALL UNPLEDGED DELEGATES SHALL BE ALLOCATED BY THE CALL AND SHALL BE ENTITLED... |
| 05:38:14 |
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SECOND. |
| 05:38:15 |
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IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? ALICE HUFFMAN. |
| 05:38:29 |
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MADAME CHAIR, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT THE MOTION THAT I WOULD HAVE LIKED. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WE CANNOT... |
| 05:41:13 |
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I'M AFRAID YOU'RE GOING TO |
| 05:41:15 |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
| 05:41:19 |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE NEXT SPEAKER THAT I BELIEVE WAS MR. ICKIES WHO WANTED... |
| 05:41:31 |
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SURE. ALICE SAID EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO SAY. I'M DISAPPOINTED WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM FULL VOTE, BUT... |
| 05:41:44 |
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A |
| 05:41:45 |
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ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE WE ARE THREND FOR THIS VOTE. THIS VOTE WILL RESTORE THE PARTICIPATION OF THE... |
| 05:43:46 |
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THERE ARE 27 VOTES FOR THE OSMOND POSITION WITH MR. CATS NOT VOTING. I BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD VIRTUALLY... |
| 05:44:39 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY BRIEFLY BECAUSE WE ARE TIRED. I WANT TO POINT OUT WHILE I WAS NOT ABLE... |
| 05:45:00 |
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WE'LL NOW PROCEED TO THE MICHIGAN CHALLENGE. WE WILL ASK FOR A MOTION, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE... |
| 05:45:15 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, MADAME CHAIR. I MOVE ALL PLEDGE DELEGATE POSITIONS IN MICHIGAN BE RESTORED... |
| 05:46:16 |
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MA DAM CHAIR, I SECOND IT. |
| 05:46:18 |
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MOVED AND SECONDED. I'M RECOGNIZING MR. FOULER. |
| 05:46:27 |
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I WANT TO SAY BRIEFLY THAT THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION WAS NOT ONE I FAVORED. IT WAS NOT MY FIRST CHOICE.... |
| 05:47:31 |
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MR. ICKIES. |
| 05:47:35 |
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I RISE IN OPPOSITION. I'LL SIT. WE HAVE ALREADY STATED OUR -- MY VIEWS -- ON THIS. I REPRESENT SENATOR... |
| 05:49:28 |
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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? |
| 05:49:31 |
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THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RHETORIC DURING THIS MEETING -- THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RHETORIC ABOUT DEMOCRACY... |
| 05:53:34 |
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MR. HINES? |
| 05:53:37 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT IS NOT EVERY DAY THAT WE GET TO SEE HEARD ICKES STUNNED.... |
| 05:54:28 |
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YOU ARE DISHONORED YOUR CANDIDATE WHEN YOU INTERRUPT THE SPEAKERS. PLEASE REFRAIN. |
| 05:54:35 |
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BY THE TESTIMONY OF SENATOR LEVIN AND OTHERS, THE PRIMARY UPON WHICH MR. ICKES' ARGUMENT IS BASED... |
| 05:55:35 |
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MR. WARREN? |
| 05:55:39 |
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MR. CHAIR AND MADAME CHAIRMAN, FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO AFFIRM THAT ALL OF US SIT AT THIS TABLE COMMITTED... |
| 05:56:18 |
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ONE OF THE REASONS I SIT AT THIS TABLE -- [GAVEL BANGING] |
| 05:56:28 |
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PLEASE ALLOW THE SPEAKER TO SPEAK. ALL SIDES ARE BEING HEARD. |
| 05:56:33 |
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ONE OF THE REASONS I SIT AT THIS CHAIR AND TABLE IS BECAUSE OF A PERSON IN THIS ROOM. THERE'S A PERSON... |
| 06:00:24 |
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THE TIME FOR DEBATE HAS EXPIRED. BUT AS A MATTER OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, BECAUSE HE CANNOT VOTE ON... |
| 06:00:36 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE HAD MY HAND UP FOR A VERY LONG TIME. |
| 06:00:41 |
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HIS, BUT THERE WERE SIX OTHER SPEAKERS BEFORE YEAR AT THE TIME HAS EXPIRED. |
| 06:00:48 |
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BUT I HAD MY HAND UP AND YOU CALLED ON MR. FOWLER. |
| 06:00:54 |
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GIVE HER A MINUTE. |
| 06:00:55 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, I WILL ALLOW ONE MINUTE FOR MRS. SMITH AND MR. ROARK, AND THEN I WILL ACCEPT THE... |
| 06:01:03 |
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FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE RULES COMMITTEE, I PERSONALLY WANT TO ADDRESS THIS TO MY FRIENDS IN MICHIGAN.... |
| 06:03:13 |
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MR. BREWER. |
| 06:03:18 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR ITS VERY THOROUGH AND THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF A VERY DIFFICULT... |
| 06:03:47 |
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MR. JOHNSON. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL PROCEED TO A VOTE ON THIS MOTION. I AM GOING TO ASK THE MAKER OF ... |
| 06:04:10 |
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I MOVE THAT ALL PLEDGED DELEGATES POSITIONS IN MICHIGAN BE RESTORED PROVIDED THAT EACH PLEDGED DELEGATES... |
| 06:05:10 |
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ALL THOSE IN FIBER, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. [APPLAUSE] |
| 06:05:21 |
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THANK YOU. THERE ARE 19 VOTES IN FAVOR. ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING... |
| 06:05:47 |
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THERE ARE -- [APPLAUSE] |
| 06:05:55 |
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THERE ARE EIGHT VOTES AGAINST. ARE THERE ANY ABSTENTIONS? THERE ARE NO ABSTENTIONS. THE MOTION CARRIES.... |
| 06:06:20 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [GAVEL BANGING] |
| 06:06:28 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. CO-CHAIRMAN, MR. ROOSEVELT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE WAS ABLE TO HEAR... |
| 06:06:53 |
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PLEASE HAVE THE COURTESY TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO HEAR WHAT THE VOTE WAS. |
| 06:06:57 |
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I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU WOULD REPEAT -- |
| 06:07:02 |
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COULD WE PLEASE ASK THE SECURITY AT THE DOOR TO SECURE THE DOORS? THE MEETING IS STILL IN RECESSION.... |
| 06:07:17 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU REPEAT THE VOTE FOR THE YES VOTE AND THE VOTE FOR THE NO VOTE.... |
| 06:07:26 |
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THE VOTE ON THE MOTION REGARDING MICHIGAN WAS 19 IN FAVOR, EIGHT OPPOSED, AND NO ABSTENTIONS. NOW,... |
| 06:08:14 |
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I WANT TO EXTEND, PERSONALLY, TO THE TWO OF YOU MY THANKS AND THE THANKS OF THIS ENTIRE COMMITTEE... |
| 06:08:38 |
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DO THANK YOU N. -- THANK YOU, DON. [APPLAUSE] [CHEERING] [APPLAUSE] |
| 06:09:15 |
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I WOULD BE LESS THAN HONEST IF I TOLD YOU THAT EVERYTHING WE DID PLEASED ME, BECAUSE IT HAS NOT. ... |
| 06:09:34 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE, AND MIKE CO-CHAIR, I AM SURE, APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU AND YOUR BID... |
| 06:10:46 |
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WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO ENSURE THAT. [LAUGHTER] LET ME JUST ADD MY THANKS TO THAT OF MY CO-CHAIR. I WANT... |
| 06:12:01 |
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I HAVE EXPRESSED BEFORE OUR THANKS TO THE STAFF MEMBERS OF OUR COMMITTEE. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM... |
| 06:13:11 |
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WE STAND ADJOURNED. |
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