Attributes of Successful Presidents, Part 4

Apr 26, 2008

Massachusetts School of Law

The Massachusetts College of Law hosted historians and political scientists to explore successful and unsuccessful presidents. This session dealt with Ulysses S. Grant and Warren G. Harding. Phillip Payne argued that Warren G. Harding was a better president than his reputation. Brooks Simpson discussed President Grant. Gene Healey talked about .. Read More
The Massachusetts College of Law hosted historians and political scientists to explore successful and unsuccessful presidents. This session dealt with Ulysses S. Grant and Warren G. Harding. Phillip Payne argued that Warren G. Harding was a better president than his reputation. Brooks Simpson discussed President Grant. Gene Healey talked about presidents from the later 19th century. Following their speeches, the panel members responded to questions from the audience. Lawrence R. Velvel moderated. Brooks Simpson is the author of Ulysses S. Grant: Triumph Over Adversity, 1822-1865 (Houghton Mifflin, 2000). Philip Payne was the site manager of the Warren G. Harding home and memorial. He is the author of the forthcoming book Dead Last: The Public Memory of Warren G. Harding's Scandalous Legacy (Ohio University Press). "Revaluating the Presidencies of U.S. Grant and Warren G. Harding" was a panel in a conference titled "Chasing Success or Courting Failure: An In-Depth Look at the Attributes an American President Must Possess for Success." ~Philip Payne was mis-identified as being a member of the political science department instead of the history department.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:09 Unidentified Speaker NOW THE FOURTH A RECENT CONFERENCE. HOSTED HISER TO COMBRANS AND POLITICAL SCIENTISTS TO EXPLORE SUCCESSFUL...
00:00:35 Unidentified Speaker PROFESSOR PAYNE HAS BEEN THE SITE MANAGER. HE HAS ALSO DONE OTHER WORK ON HARDING. HE GRADUATED,...
00:05:33 Unidentified Speaker DO I NEED TO PUT THE MICROPHONE ON? I GUESS A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. ONE IS, WHEN I STARTED MY CAREER...
00:21:09 Unidentified Speaker I WANT TO THANK LARRY FOR INVITING ME HERE. IF IT'S INTERESTING, IF SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL FOR SOMEONE OF...
00:57:27 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I'M NOT A HISTORIAN. I'M A POLICY ANALYST AND RECOVERING LAWYER. AND AS I GOT INTO WRITING A...
01:00:58 Unidentified Speaker LAST.
01:01:01 Unidentified Speaker NEXT TO LAST OR LAST ON ALMOST EVERY MODERN POLL AS FAR AS I REMEMBER. THIS IS HARDING, WHO FREEDOM...
01:11:05 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. NOW, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT LIKE TO ASK OF THESE GENTLEMEN? ALL RIGHT....
01:12:29 Unidentified Speaker WELL, ABRAHAM LINCOLN SAID, THAT REMINDS ME OF A STORY. WHILE SENATOR JOHN F. KENNEDY PUT HIS NAME...
01:15:10 Unidentified Speaker GO AHEAD.
01:15:13 Unidentified Speaker LOOKING AT WHEN DID THEY START THINKING ABOUT THEIR LEGACY, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS HARDING DOESN'T...
01:16:55 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD ANSWER DEFINITIVELY WHEN PRESIDENTS STARTED TACKING ABOUT THEIR LEGACY. I...
01:18:06 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD TAKE IT BY THE WAY THAT IT WOULD BE YOUR OPINION THAT PRESIDENTS OUGHT NOT TO BE CONCERNED...
01:18:36 Unidentified Speaker YEAH. SURE. I WOULD LIKE FOR PRESIDENTS TO BE LESS CONCERNED WITH THEIR LEGACY BUT LIKE MANY OTHER...
01:19:58 Unidentified Speaker GENTLEMEN, WE SHALL HAVE A BLESSING UPON YOU.
01:20:02 Unidentified Speaker THIS GOES TO THE QUESTION BUT MAYBE A COMMENT ON THE SUBJECT OF LEGACY FORMATION. THE FIRST TWO GENERATIONS...
01:20:59 Unidentified Speaker I'LL PUT THAT TO OUR PANEL. LET ME TELL YOU THAT WHEN JOE ELLIS WAS HERE RECENTLY, HE MAKES THE POINT...
01:22:21 Unidentified Speaker I THINK MANY OF THESE PEOPLE WERE ALWAYS AMBITIOUS FOLKS WHO WERE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR STANDING IN...
01:24:39 Unidentified Speaker I GUESS I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE PART I'M ALSO MORE INTERESTED IN, PERHAPS...
01:25:27 Unidentified Speaker BY THE WAY, JUST BY THE BY, C-SPAN'S HERE, SEE PAN HAS HAD A TREMENDOUS IMPABBLINGT WHEN THEY SHOW...
01:25:38 Unidentified Speaker IT WAS MY IMPRESSION THAT AFTER GRANT'S PRESIDENCY, HE DID SOMETHING THAT NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS EVER...
01:25:57 Unidentified Speaker NO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT AT ALL. THAT'S WHY I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO SAY HE'S GREAT OR HE'S HORRIBLE,...
01:27:30 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, LARRY. ON THIS QUESTION OF PRESIDENTIAL GREATNESS AND -- THAT'S ACHIEVED THROUGH THE BATTLEFIELD...
01:28:39 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF -- IT TIES IN TO HARDING, HARDING'S A POST-WAR PRESIDENT. HE TALKED...
01:29:51 Unidentified Speaker WELL, ALSO AS DAVID HAS POINTED OUT BEFORE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ALWAYS CLEAR THAT -- IT'S CERTAINLY...
01:30:46 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IN BLAMING PRESIDENTS, WE'RE BY PASSING OURSELVES HERE. WE LIKE WAR AS LONG AS WE'RE WINNING...
01:31:30 Unidentified Speaker LOOK AT WASHINGTON.
01:31:36 Unidentified Speaker THAT GETS VERY LITTLE PLAY.
01:31:38 Unidentified Speaker I'VE BEEN LOSING MY VOICE OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY BUT I THINK MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS THIS -- SO...
01:32:31 Unidentified Speaker ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SORT OF THE WAY THINGS PLAY -- [INAUDIBLE] MY VOICE BOOMS OUT AT ME. ARE YOU...
01:33:51 Unidentified Speaker I THINK YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN GRANT LEFT OFFICE IN 1877 HE WASN'T VIEWED BY MANY PEOPLE...
01:34:50 Unidentified Speaker CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? I'M NOT SURE THAT I REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORT OF WHAT YOU WERE ASKING....
01:35:26 Unidentified Speaker I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING MORE IS THAT WE SEEM TO FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S VERY...
01:36:17 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IN A CERTAIN RESPECT, MAYBE THIS IS GETTING TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOMETIMES, WHEN...
01:36:56 Unidentified Speaker I WAS THINKING, SOMETHING BROOKS MENTIONED JUST A MOMENT AGO ABOUT GRANT AND HOW HE WAS NOT VIEWED...
01:38:16 Unidentified Speaker I THINK PARTLY THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS VERY RELEVANT NOW AND IT'S ALSO RELEVANT WITH THESE LARGE...
01:38:51 Unidentified Speaker OR MAYBE HE NEED TO SHRED A LOT OF DOCUMENTS.
01:38:53 Unidentified Speaker MAYBE SO. IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT THEY SIMPLY WON'T WRITE ABOUT HIM. SO LOOK AT NUMBER OF THINGS THEY'VE...
01:39:50 Unidentified Speaker LET US TAKE ANOTHER QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL, AFTER THIS ONE, I THINK THAT IT WILL PROBABLY BE TIME...
01:39:59 Unidentified Speaker WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WORST PRESIDENTS AND TALKING ABOUT WHY THEY'RE SO RANKED. GENE WAS SUGGESTING...
01:40:59 Unidentified Speaker I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED CREDIT. BECAUSE CREDIT ACTUALLY OCCURRED DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF ANDREW...
01:42:46 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT WAS CLEARLY PART OF THE REASON HARDING WAS RANKED. PROBABLY WITH HARDING I WOULD SAY, WE...
01:44:37 Unidentified Speaker IS THERE A CRITERIA OF HIERARCHY FOR RANKING A PRESIDENT NEGATIVELY? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. WHAT ARE...
01:44:49 Unidentified Speaker DO OR SHOULD? THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. BECAUSE WHAT I'M SUGGESTING HERE IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE,...
01:46:42 Unidentified Speaker CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION. I TOOK YOUR QUESTION TO MEAN, AND BY THE WAY, I, TOO, THOUGHT CREDIT OCCURRED...
01:47:32 Unidentified Speaker PRETTY MUCH, YES. YOU PUT IT BETTER THAN I DID BUT THAT WAS THE GIST I WAS TRYING TO GET AT. I WAS...
01:47:45 Unidentified Speaker ONLY THE REVERSE ANSWER, NO INSTEAD OF YES.
01:47:47 Unidentified Speaker OK. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE -- LET ME SAY THAT, LET'S SEE, 5:45 IS

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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