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JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA. WHY DID YOU WRITE THIS BOOK? |
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MOST PEOPLE DO THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONVEY INFORMATION, THAT THEY POSSESS, THAT OTHERS MAY NOT... |
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WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? |
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I WANT FOR THE LAWYERS TO BE BETTER LAWYERS. I WANT TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR ARGUMENTS. |
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YOU HAD 63 QUOTATIONS -- AND TO MANY OF THESE OUT. CICERO SAYS -- WHY IS THIS A GOOD LINE? |
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THIS IS VERY TRUE. YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT A JUDGE DOES NOT HAVE A VERY DIVERSE LIFE, LIKE THE TRIAL... |
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ANOTHER JUDGE HAS SAID THAT -- WHEN THE JUDGES SEE A LOT OF WORDS THEY IMMEDIATELY THINK -- WHAT IS... |
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THIS IS TYPICALLY COLORFUL. THIS IS IN THE SECTION ON GETTING TO THE POINT, THE WORST ARE THE MUOST... |
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IS THERE A RESTRICTION ON THIS? |
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THEY HAVE NOT REALLY DONE THEIR JOB UNLESS THEY COME RIGHT UP HERE WITH US. THIS IS 60 PAGES, AND THE... |
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IN THE CURRENT YEAR, YOU HAD 75 CASES THAT WERE ARGUED BEFORE YOU. HOW MANY OF THESE DID YOU READ BEFORE... |
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I WAS READING EVERYONE'S BRIEF, AND SOME OF THEM -- BUT NOT ALL OF THE OTHERS. THIS IS A PERSON WHO... |
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THERE ARE 115 DIFFERENT CHAPTER. WHO IS THE OTHER AUTHOR? |
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THIS IS A PROMINENT FIGURE IN LEGAL CIRCLES. BRYAN GARNER. HE IS THE EDITOR OF THE DICTIONARY ON THE... |
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WE HAVE A BIT OF AN ARGUMENT FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR, I CANNOT THINK THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED THIS. THE... |
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MANY TIMES. THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY LAWYERS WHO ARE HERE WITH REGULARITY. MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN FORMER... |
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LET'S LISTEN TO THIS, JUST TO HEAR YOU INTERACT. |
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IN SHORT, |
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WHAT CASE IN GENERAL DO YOU THINK -- |
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THE MAJORITY SAID THAT THIS WAS -- CERTAIN THAT THE GOVERNMENT CONCEDES THAT THIS WAS THE CASE. THIS... |
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THIS INVOLVED IN ENGLISH SUBJECT. |
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THIS IS TRUE. |
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THIS IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. |
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LET ME TRY TO CONVINCE YOU THAT THIS IS NOT RELEVANT. THE COUNCIL IN THIS CASE, HE STATED FORTHRIGHTLY... |
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THERE IS A CASE ABOUT THE ISLAND OF JERSEY. |
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THEY WERE NOT REGARDED AS PART OF THE DOMINION, THEY WERE PART OF THE SOVEREIGN -- |
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I WILL TAKE ONE MORE CHANCE. |
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LINE THEM UP. |
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HOW MANY ADVOCATES COULD STAND IN FRONT OF YOU AND SAY THIS? |
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YOU HAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE. I CONSIDER HIM A FRIEND, AND I THINK THAT ANYONE ELSE WOULD NOT BE AS... |
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DURING AN INTERVIEW FROM MANY YEARS AGO, HE SAID THAT YOUR FAVORITE JUST AS WAS ROBERT JACKSON. HE... |
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HE IS GOOD. THAT IS WHY I LIKE JACKSON. THIS IS A VERY GOOD WAY TO PUT THIS. |
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WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT STEPPING IN FRONT OF THE COURT ROOM FOR THE FIRST TIME? |
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THE FIRST THING THAT YOU SEE IS THE COUNSEL TABLE, BEFORE THEY STAND UP TO ARGUE -- WE EXPECT FOR... |
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THIS IS ANOTHER QUOTE -- |
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THIS IS SURPRISING, OFTEN YOU WILL SEE THIS -- THIS IS RUDIMENTARY. LOOK TO THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE... |
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DID YOU EVER CHANGE YOUR MIND BECAUSE OF AN ARGUMENT? |
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THIS HAPPENS VERY RARELY. WHAT I HAVE DONE FREQUENTLY IS MAKE UP MY MIND. THERE ARE MANY CASES IN... |
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THE LAST TIME I INTERVIEWED YOU, I WANT THE AUDIENCE TO KNOW THAT I HAVE KNOWN YOU FOREVER. WE WERE... |
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WE HAVE SPOKEN SINCE THEN. |
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1986. |
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WE HAVE SPOKEN SINCE THEN. |
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I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE IN 1986. |
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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE AVERAGE LAWYER WHO IS GOING TO STAND BEFORE YOU. IS THE BRIEF WELL FILED?... |
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THIS IS ONE OF THE SURPRISES I MENTIONED EARLIER. I DID NOT EXPECT ANY SURPRISES IN THE SUPREME COURT,... |
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PEOPLE WILL TALK TO YOU ALL THE TIME, ABOUT HOW YOU RATE THESE LAWYERS. |
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CONTRARY TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING WHEN THAT WAS FOUND, I WAS ON THE COURT OF APPEALS. THIS WAS A VERY... |
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IF YOU WERE SITTING AROUND, TALKING ABOUT LAWYERS, COULD YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO WAS VERY BAD?... |
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THEY WOULD NOT BE SENT AWAY FROM THE PODIUM, BUT I THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW PEOPLE. THIS IS... |
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TELL US ABOUT THIS. |
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I THINK THE WORST THING IS A LAWYER THAT DOES NOT HAVE IN MIND THE THEORY OF THE CASE OF A LAWYER.... |
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I SAW THIS ON C-SPAN, WHEN YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE ACLU. |
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THE CONSTITUTION WAS AMENDED AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, TO CREATE EQUALITY AND RIGHTS FOR AFRICAN- AMERICANS... |
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THIS IS REFERENCING YOU AS NINO. THE FORMALITY OF SOCIETY HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN, ONE PERSON WOULD WANT... |
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THIS WAS NOT OFFENSIVE. WE ARE VERY GOOD FRIENDS. WE DO NOT AGREE ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT SHE IS MY... |
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THIS IS A FAMILIAR STYLE THAT DOES NOT EXIST. MANY OF LAWYERS WILL BE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE COURT... |
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THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING SYCOPHANTIC AND AN OVERLY FAMILIAR. THIS IS ONE ISSUE THAT WE ARE... |
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I FOUND THIS ON THE INTERNET, THIS IS FROM THE ENTERTAINING JOURNAL OF LAW. |
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I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE MOST POPULAR O THEF THE BOBBLEHEAD DOLLS. I HAVE DONE THIS FOR EVERY... |
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AND THERE IS ALSO A T-SHIRT WITH YOUR NAME ON THAT. |
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I DO NOT HAVE ANY COMMISSIONS FROM THIS. ONE SAYS, I LOVE ANTONIN SCALIA. THERE ARE OTHERS THAT SAY... |
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FRANKLY, THIS IS ONE REASON I HAVE COME OUT OF THE CLOSET, IN RECENT MONTHS. I HAVE BEEN GIVING MORE... |
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ONE PERSON WROTE ON 60 MINUTES, THE HEADLINE IS THAT ANTONIN SCALIA IS PUTTING FORTH A CHARM OFFENSIVE.... |
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PART OF THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE BOOK I WANT TO PROMOTE. AT THE URGING OF MY FRIENDS, I HAVE DECIDED... |
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DID YOU SEE THE INTERVIEW ON 60 MINUTES? HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO WATCH THIS? FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID... |
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WHEN YOU AGREED TO DO A PIECE, YOU ARE GENERALLY GUIDED BY SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THIS IS THE GRAMMAR... |
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WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? GIVEN WHAT YOU THOUGHT MIGHT HAPPEN -- |
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THIS WAS ACTUALLY QUITE FAIR. |
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Y CHILDREN SAID I WAS ALMOST AMIABLE. |
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DO YOU EVER WATCH THE DAILY SHOW? |
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ONCE WAS ENOUGH. |
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THIS IS WHAT JOHN'S. SAID ABOUT YOUR PIECE, THIS IS THE VERY BEGINNING. -- JOHN STUARTEWART SAID ABOUT... |
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THE SUPREME COURT [UNINTELLIGIBLE] SOUTER, GINSBERG, BLITZEN, AQUAMAN, SLEEPY, THOMAS, SC ALIA. THEY... |
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HE WAS A STAR, THE FIRST IN HIS CLASS, A PERSON SO UNPRETENTIOUS AND DOWN-TO-EARTH THAT YOU COULD... |
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YOU WERE NEVER LATE, AND YOU NEVER GOT ANYTHING LESS THAN AN DAYA. |
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I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP, DO YOU HAVE A QUARTER? I HAVE TO TELL MY MOTHER I JUST MET THE JUDGE OF MY DREAMS.... |
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OUT OF ALL OF THE CASES -- GORE. |
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OUT OF ALL THE CASES, THIS WAS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL. |
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GET OVER THIS, THIS IS SO OLD. |
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HE IS STILL THE [PRESIDENT. THIS IS STILL HAPPENING, SO THE ORIGINAL LIST DOES NOT WANT TO GO BACK... |
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ONCE WAS ENOUGH FOR ME. |
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THE FIRST 60 MINUTES PROGRAM WAS 13 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHING, MAYBE 1 MILLION PEOPLE WATCH THIS. WHAT... |
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THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY. I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS CHILDISH. AS FOR BUSH VS. GORE, THE PRESIDENT WAS... |
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THE REASON I SHOW THIS TO YOU WAS NOT BECAUSE OF BUSH FORCES COURT -- BUSH VS. GORE. HE DOES THIS... |
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IT IS GOOD THAT THIS CAN HAPPEN, I THINK THAT THIS IS BAD WHEN THIS IS THE MEANS OF SPREADING IN ACCURACY.... |
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YOU SEE, FINALLY, LEARN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THE JUDGE. IS THIS YOUR IDEA OR... |
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I FIND THIS DIFFICULT TO SAY, WHAT PARTS OF THIS ARE HIM AND WHICH BELONG TO ME. THIS PROBABLY ORIGINATED... |
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SAY YOU ARE BEFORE A CERTAIN JUDGE -- |
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I CAN CONTINUE. HOW MUCH OF THE DIFFERENCE TO YOU THINK THAT THIS WILL MAKE, STANDING UP IN FRONT... |
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THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE SAY LATER, IN HER PRIVATE PRACTICE, SHE WAS REPRESENTING A TRADE UNION.... |
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MANY OF THESE LAW FIRMS WILL RESEARCH THE JUDGES. THEY HAVE A LIST OF THEIR CHARACTERISTICS, WHO HAS... |
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ONE OF THESE QUOTES IS ABOUT THIS, BUT LET ME GO INTO PERSONAL THINGS. YOU DEDICATE THIS TO YOUR PARENTS,... |
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I AM OFTEN PRAISED AS BEING THE SON OF AN IMMIGRANT, AS IF I LIFTED MYSELF UP BY MY OWN BOOTSTRAPS.... |
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HE COULD READ IN THESE LANGUAGES? |
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FRENCH, GERMAN WITH DIFFICULTY. ENGLISH. MY FATHER WAS A MAN WHO LOVE LANGUAGE, HE WOULD CORRECT MY... |
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HE WAS LIVING DURING THE YEARS WHERE YOU WERE ON THE APPEALS COURT, HE DIED IN 1986. |
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THIS WAS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS BEFORE I WAS NOMINATED TO THE SUPREME COURT. |
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HOW CLOSE WITH THE TWO OF YOU? |
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-- HOW CLOSE WERE THE TO VIEW -- HOW CLOSE WERE THE TWO OF YOU? |
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THIS WAS ABOUT THE SAME, I WAS VERY CLOSE. |
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WHAT ABOUT CATHERINE SCALIA? |
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THIS WAS MY MOTHER, I ONLY REALIZED LATER ON THAT SHE WAS DEVOTING HER LIFE TO MAKING CERTAIN THAT... |
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN? |
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ASSOCIATED WITH YOUNG PEOPLE THAT WOULD NOT GET ME INTO TROUBLE, THAT WOULD NOT MAKE ME A BAD PERSON.... |
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IN THE EARLY YEARS OF YOUR EDUCATION, AND FROM THERE TO GEORGETOWN -- |
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I WENT TO HARVARD FOR LAW SCHOOL. |
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WHAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT GETTING READY TO BECOME A STUDENT OR A JUDGE? |
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I DID NOT EXPECT I WOULD BECOME A JUDGE. I WAS NOT PREPARING FOR THIS CAREER, OR EVEN TO BE A LAWYER.... |
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CAN YOU REMEMBER A TEACHER IN HIGH SCHOOL -- |
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I HAVE REMEMBERED MY TEACHERS IN MY SPEECHES, I DO NOT WANT TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER. ONE TEACHER... |
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I THINK THIS IS A GOOD GUY FOR LIFE. -- GUIDE FOR LIFE. THE THEORY AND THE RULES THAT WE HAVE INVENTED... |
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WAS THERE EVER A TIME THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE SUPREME COURT. |
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I GUESS THAT ONLY AT THE TIME WHEN I WAS EXPECTED TO BE ON THE SHORT LIST. UNTIL THIS HAPPENS, THERE... |
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WHY WOULD YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE A JUDGE -- WHAT IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION? 15 OF... |
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HARVARD HAS GRADUATED MORE LAWYERS THAN ANY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY. YOU HAVE TO TAKE ACCOUNT OF... |
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WHAT IS THE BEST TRAINING? WE SAY THAT THERE IS A LOT OF LUCK, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO YOUR BEST AT... |
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YOU WANT TO BE IN THE BEST LAW SCHOOL. THIS IS THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOL -- SOME OF THEM I WOULD... |
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WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MAKING THE CASE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT DEBT. IF THIS IS SOMETHING... |
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I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT DOING A BOOK, WITH PRIOR PUBLICATIONS AND SPEECHES THAT I HAVE GIVEN. ... |
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THIS IS A VIDEO FROM 1986, OF THE CONFIRMATION HEARING. THIS WAS THE TIME WHEN YOUR FAMILY WAS WITH... |
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MY WIFE IS IN THE FRONT ROW, NEXT TO HER IS MEGHAN. WHEN SHE IS CALLED MARGARET SHE IS IN TROUBLE.... |
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YOU HAVE A GOOD MEMORY. |
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YOU DO HAVE A GOOD MEMORY. AND FAVORED QUESTION IS, CAN YOU NAME YOUR 28 GRANDCHILDREN? WITH ENOUGH... |
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WHERE ARE YOUR CHILDREN AND WHAT ARE THEY DOING NOW? |
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THEY WILL GO FROM 27 TO 47 AND THE YOUNGEST ARE UNMARRIED, ONE OF THEM IS A PRIEST, HE IS NOT MARRIED.... |
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EVERYONE ASKS THIS QUESTION, WHEN SOMEBODY HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVANT. HOW WERE YOU FINANCING THIS?... |
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THIS WAS NOT EASY. MY WIFE IS A VERY CHEAP WOMAN. SHE IS VERY WELL ORGANIZED. WE WERE SAVED THE TUITION,... |
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IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN THE ATTITUDE AND INTERESTS, POLITICS? CHILD RAISING? |
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WE HAVE VERY FEW DIFFERENCES, THIS IS THE SAME IN EVERY THING. I AM PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER... |
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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS, TO THE LEFT? |
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I REALLY LIKE THIS. THIS IS A TRADITION TO HAVE THE CLERKS OF THE JUSTICE COMMISSIONED A PORTRAIT,... |
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WHAT IS YOUR HAND ON? |
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THIS IS ON -- IF YOU GET CLOSE, THIS IS A COPY OF THE FEDERALIST. AND THERE IS ALSO WEBSTERS INTERNATIONAL... |
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WHO MADE THE PORTRAIT? |
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THIS WAS A ARTIST, AND A VERY GOOD ARTIST WHO IS WORKING OUT OF A STUDIO IN PHILADELPHIA. |
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THIS VIDEO FROM YOUR HEARING, I WANT TO ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR LIFE. |
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LOOK AT THIS PIPE? |
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YOU NEVER SEE THIS ANYMORE. |
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THIS WAS WONDERFUL BECAUSE WHENEVER I WANTED TO DISTRACT ATTENTION, ALL THAT I HAD TO DO WAS SMOKE... |
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WHY DID YOU STOP? |
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I KEPT LOSING IT. I WAS ABLE TO HOLD ONTO THIS -- |
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THE TITLE OF THE BOOK IS "MAKING YOUR CASE: THE ART OF PERSUADING JUDGES." WRITTEN BY BRYAN GARNER... |
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THANK YOU, BRIAN. |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
