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THOMAS DILORENZO, WHEN WE FIRST INTERESTED IN ABRAHAM LINCOLN? |
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I WAS READING ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR, AND I WAS TAKING COURSES AT THE SMITHSONIAN. I AM AN ECONOMIST,... |
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IN THE LATE 90'S, HOW DID YOU PUSH FOR YOUR FEELING ABOUT THIS? |
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I WAS IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND I REMEMBER THAT I COULD SING THE BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLIC. I WAS EDUCATED... |
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HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN? |
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I TALK ABOUT THE CHURCH OF LINCOLN, I THINK THIS IS VERY UNHEALTHY -- TO DO THIS TO ANY POLITICIAN,... |
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WHEN DID YOU WRITE YOUR FIRST PIECE ON ABRAHAM LINCOLN? |
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THIS WAS IN THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW IN 1996. THIS IS AN ACADEMIC JOURNAL. AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS OF... |
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HOW WELL DO THESE SELL? |
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LINCOLN SOLD VERY WELL. THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE FOREWORD TO "THE REAL LINCOLN" IS A PROFESSOR AT... |
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WHY DO YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL DEIFY HIM? |
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AFTER THE WAR, AND HIS ASSASSINATION, THE CLERGY BEGAN WITH THE DEIFICATION, THERE WAS AN OLD MAGAZINE... |
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WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR EDUCATION? |
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I GOT MADY PH.D. FROM VIRGINIA TECH. THAT IS WHERE I GOT MY PH.D., AND I WAS A STUDENT OF JAMES BUCHANAN... |
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WHERE DID YOU DO YOUR UNDERGRADUATE WORK? |
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THIS WAS A SMALL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE IN WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA. |
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AND IN BALTIMORE -- WHAT KIND OF SCHOOL IS THIS? |
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THIS IS A LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE, THEY HAVE ABOUT 3500 GRADUATE STUDENTS -- THE EMPHASIS IS ON LIBERAL... |
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HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? |
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I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE 1992. |
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ONCE YOU BEGAN WRITING THESE BOOKS, HOW DID YOUR LIFE CHANGED? |
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I HAVE BEEN IN SEVERAL DEBATES, AND -- LAST OCTOBER I WAS IN A DEBATE IN CHICAGO WITH A LOCAL LAWYER... |
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LET ME FIND OUT SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT YOU WROTE -- THE POLICE ARRESTS AND THE -- PLAYED TOURISTS --... |
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THE ARE DEVOTED INTO PUTTING OUT THESE PROGRAMS -- THEY ARE DEVOTED IN JUNE PUTTING OUT THESE PROGRAMS.... |
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IF YOU ARE A FARMER -- WHAT DOES THIS MAKE YOU BELIEVE? |
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YOU BELIEVE THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY IS THE CHIEF FOCUS OF A SOUND ECONOMY AND A FREE SOCIETY, AND THE... |
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WHAT WOULD ABRAHAM LINCOLN HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING IF HE HAD BEEN AROUND IN THIS TIME. |
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I SAY THAT HE IS THE SON OF ALEXANDER HAMILTON. WHEN ALEXANDER HAMILTON WAS THE TREASURY SECRETARY,... |
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I WANT TO COME BACK TO YOUR RIDING, BUT I HAVE TO ASK YOU, WHY WAS HE A GREAT MAN? |
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YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT HE HAD LESS THAN ONE YEAR OF FORMAL EDUCATION, AND WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST... |
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WHY WAS THIS? |
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I BELIEVE THAT HE HAD THIS IDEA OF UNITY -- HE SPOKE ABOUT THE MEMORY OF UNITY. BUT MOST OF THE AMERICANS... |
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LET ME READ THE THING THAT YOU WROTE -- WHAT IS BEHIND THIS? |
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I WENT THROUGH MY ARTICLE, TALKING ABOUT HOW GOODWIN WAS TAKEN OFF OF THE AIR, SHE WAS A NETWORK COMMENTATOR... |
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YOU ALSO SAY THAT THEY HAVE APPLIED THIS ELSEWHERE? |
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SHE HAS SPOKEN ABOUT LYNDON JOHNSON, PEOPLE SAY A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT LYNDON JOHNSON AND HE HAS... |
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I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST SENTENCE, WHAT IS OFA MUSEUM QUALITY SPECIMEN OF A COURT HISTORIAN?... |
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THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO IS PAID BY THE KING, AND THEY WILL SUPPORT THE INTELLECTUALS -- FOR WHAT THE... |
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WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? |
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WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE CHURCH OF LINCOLN, MUCH OF WHAT WILL MOTIVATE PEOPLE -- THEY WILL TAKE THIS... |
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ANOTHER COLUMN THAT YOU WROTE -- YOU HAVE ALSO LEARNED THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GENUINE LINCOLN SCHOLAR,... |
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THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO READ EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT ABOUT LINCOLN. THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE... |
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DEPENDING ON WHATEVER YOU WILL USE, ONE MAN WROTE ABOUT YOU AND THE 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT ABRAHAM... |
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THERE IS A LARGE GROUP IN THE ACADEMIC WORLD, THEY WRITE THESE AWARDS -- AND IF YOU WANT TO BE A HISTORIAN,... |
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WERE YOU THE ONLY PERSON WHO WAS AROUND? |
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I HAVE INTERVIEWED -- THERE WERE MANY BIG CRITICS OF LINCOLN, THEY WOULD FIND ARTICLES IN THE ACADEMIC... |
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YOU SEE THAT LINCOLN WAS PERSONALLY CORRUPT. |
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THERE IS A BOOK THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE 1920'S, LINCOLN AND THE RAILROAD. HE WAS AN ATTORNEY FOR... |
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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE BICENTENNIAL -- A CELEBRATION OF HIS BIRTH? |
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THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG PARTY. ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION -- THEY ARE PUTTING ON THE TELEVISION... |
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IF THEY WOULD INVITE YOU TO BE ON THE COMMISSION, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? |
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I DID NOT KNOW IF THEY WOULD LISTEN, BUT I WOULD TELL THEM -- THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY POLITICAL... |
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YOU HAVE GONE TO MOST OF THE PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY? YOU HAVE GONE TO FORD'S THEATRE? |
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LINCOLN MEMORIAL, I HAVE BEEN THERE SEVERAL TIMES. |
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SHOULD THERE BE A LINCOLN MEMORIAL? |
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THERE NEEDS TO BE A LINCOLN MEMORIAL, AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A MEMORY OF THE PRESIDENT -- THE... |
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HAVE THEY EVER ASK YOU TO SPEAK IN THE LINCOLN FORUM? |
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I HAVE NEVER INVITED ME TO SPEAK HERE. IT DEPENDS ON THE GROUND RULES. I HAVE BEEN AROUND THEM BEFORE,... |
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WHAT WAS THE FOCUS? WHAT DID THEY WANT TO DO? WHAT WAS THIS DOCUMENTARY ABOUT? |
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THE DOCUMENTARY WAS TALKING ABOUT A SERIES ON AMERICAN PRESIDENTS. THEY WERE SPEAKING ABOUT MOST OF... |
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AFTER THE BOOK CAME OUT, THERE WAS A LOT OF FAN MAIL, THOUSANDS OF BITS OF THE MAIL FROM AROUND THE... |
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DID YOU DO THE OTHER THING OR DID YOU BALANCE THIS? |
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THE CONFERENCE IS THE BALANCE. THERE WAS -- THERE WAS A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION AFTER EACH PRESENTATION.... |
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THIS IS THE MAN AT GETTYSBURG COLLEGE? |
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THIS WAS NOT THE MAN. DURING THE DISCUSSION, HE WAS CALLING TO SAY THINGS LIKE NO PRIVATE PROPERTY... |
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THE 13TH AMENDMENT FREED THE SLAVES, LINCOLN -- HE WAS SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT. SOME OF THESE STATES... |
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IF YOU SPEAK ABOUT THESE CULTISTS, THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF LINCOLN -- IF YOU WERE GOING TO TELL... |
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I HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE TRUTH OF HISTORY -- THERE WAS ONE DEBATE THAT I WAS IN, THIS WAS PUBLISHED... |
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HOW WOULD YOU EMBARRASS THEM? |
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I THINK THAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE MORE THOUGHTFUL, THEY MAY LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING... |
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IS THERE A LEADER? |
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THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES AS LEADERS. THERE IS A MAN WITH A NUMBER OF ARGUMENTS... |
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WHO ELSE IS ON THE LIST? |
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JAMES MCPHERSON OF PRINCETON -- THERE WAS THE DEBATE WITH ANOTHER HISTORIAN, IN NORTH AND SOUTH MAGAZINE.... |
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WHO HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT ON YOU, BESIDES THE PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT, THAT MAY HAVE PUT... |
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THIS IS PROBABLY JUST THE EDUCATION. I WAS READING WILLIAM FRIEDMAN, THERE WAS A MAGAZINE MADE FROM... |
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AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER BOOK THAT IS COMING OUT? |
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THIS IS OCTOBER 2008, HOW THE ARCHENEMY THE TRADE THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. -- THE TRADE -- BUT TRADE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THOMAS DILORENZO, THE AUTHOR OF "LINCOLN UNMASKED: WHAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO... |
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THANK YOU. |
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