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WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE "EXXON VALDEZ" SUPREME COURT CASE ARGUED YESTERDAY IN FRONT OF... |
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I THINK THE ARGUMENTS WENT FAIRLY WELL FOR THE PLAINTIFFS AND I'D LIKE TO START JUST BY SAYING THAT... |
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JONATHAN HACKER, GIVE US YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE ARGUMENTS MADE YESTERDAY. |
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WELL, YOU MAY EXPECT, I DISAGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE'S VIEW OF THINGS. I WOULD SAY WE'RE CAUTIOUSLY... |
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BUT THE COASTLINE IS STILL DAMAGED AND FISHING INDUSTRY STILL DAMAGED. |
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WELL, ACTUALLY NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS IS TRUE FROM THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE AVAILABLE. THE MOST RECENTLY... |
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COLETTE ROUTEL, IF THAT'S THE CASE AND THE AREA IS CLEANED UP AND THE AREA IS BACK UP AND RUNNING,... |
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I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS EXXON NOT REQUIRED TO KEEP PAYING BUT EXXON AVOIDED PAYING THIS PUNITIVE... |
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CAN I ANSWER QUICKLY? |
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PLEASE. |
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THE USE AND ABUSE PROPOSITION I THINK IS COMPLETELY INDEFENSIBLE. YOU KNOW, WITH THIS -- MOST OF ... |
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WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE "EXXON VALDEZ" CASE ARGUED BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT YESTERDAY WITH COLETTE... |
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GOOD MORNING. HOW IS EVERYONE DOING THIS MORNING? |
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VERY GOOD. |
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GO AHEAD. |
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HELLO? |
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YES, SIR. GO RIGHT AHEAD. |
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HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING THIS MORNING? I'M SORRY I WAS GETTING FEEDBACK THERE. |
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MAKE SURE AND TURN DOWN YOUR TELEVISION SET, OKAY. |
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OKAY, I HAVE A VERY, VERY BIG [ BLEEP ]. |
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NEXT CALL COMES FROM LONG BEACH ISLAND, NEW JERSEY ON OUR LINE FOR REPUBLICANS. GO AHEAD. |
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YEAH, I'D LIKE -- I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW ATTORNEY HACKER COULD DEFEND EXXON. |
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IN WHAT WAY? |
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THEY JUST SEEM UNDEFENSIBLE. I THINK THEY HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TRAGEDY THAT THEY INCURRED.... |
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EXXON DID. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO EM FOR A SIZE FRCHLT THE DAY AFTER THE SPILL, EXXON ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY,... |
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LET'S TAKE A CALL FROM ROGERSVILLE, TENNESSEE. GO AHEAD. |
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YES, I HAVE A -- A QUESTION FOR BOTH OF THESE ATTORNEYS. SINCE THIS VALDEZ OIL SPILL IN '89, I HAVEN'T... |
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COLETTE ROUTEL, GO AHEAD, ANSWER THAT ONE FOR US. |
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I'M CERTAINLY, AS A LAWYER, NOT GOING TO CALL FOR A BOYCOTT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING INDIVIDUALS... |
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WE HAVE THIS FRONT PAGE FROM THE "ANCHORAGE DAILY NEWS" WITH THE HEADED LINE EXXON MAKES LAST PITCH.... |
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GOOD MORNING. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? |
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SDWRUS FINE, SIR, GO AHEAD. |
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I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I'M PREVIOUSLY A RESIDENT OF ALASKA AND MY COMMENT IS IS I THINK IT'S... |
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JONATHAN HACKER? |
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WELL, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE IS A BASIS IN LAW FOR [ INAUDIBLE ] EXXON MERELY BECAUSE IT IS... |
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OUR NEXT CALL COMES FROM WASILLA, ALASKA ON OUR LINE FOR REPUBLICANS. GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DAVE AND I WAS ACTIVELY FISHING IN KODIAK AT THE TIME OF THE EXXON SPILL... |
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SIR, TELL ME ABOUT THE SYSTEM OR PROCESS YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO MAKE CLAIMS FOR COMPENSATION.... |
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IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. I'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS CLAIMS AND COMPENSATION, GIVEN MY RECORDS AND DATA... |
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SIR, ONE MORE QUESTION. HAVE YOU GONE BACK TO FISHING OR MOVED TO A NEW OCCUPATION? |
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NO, I'VE CONTINUED TO FISH BUT HAVE MOVED OUT OF THE GULF AND GONE TO THE BERRING SEA WHERE I CONTINUE... |
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COLETTE ROUTEL, GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS. |
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WELL, I THINK THESE COMMENTS IN QUESTION -- AND QUESTIONS POINT OUT THE FACT THERE IS WIDESPREAD SUPPORT... |
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TWO QUICK POINTS ON THAT. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IF THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED ON LAND, THE... |
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NEXT CALL COMES FROM SENECA, MISSOURI ON OUR LINE FOR DEMOCRATS. SENECA? |
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GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING. |
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I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL OF THE "VALDEZ." MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BUSH FAMILY... |
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NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. |
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COLETTE ROUTEL, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE "EXXON VALDEZ," IF IT IS CONNECTED... |
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I DON'T KNOW THAT. |
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SHERMAN, ILLINOIS ON OUR LINE FOR REPUBLICANS. |
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I THINK GEORGE BUSH WAS PILOTING ONE OF THE SHIPS, WASN'T HE? IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. LITTLE JOKE. THE... |
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MR. HACKER? |
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I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE COMPENSATION CLAIMS PROGRAM. THERE WAS A GROSS AMOUNT PAID WAS IN... |
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COLETTE ROUTEL, IS THERE ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THE PROFITS THAT THE CALLER ALLUDED TO THE JUSTICES... |
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YEAH. ACTUALLY LIKE TO RESPOND TO BOTH OF THOSE POINTS THERE. ARE SOME 32,000 FISHERMEN THAT ARE... |
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FINISH UP, COLETTE, GO AHEAD AND FIN DISTURB YOUR POINT. |
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THANK YOU. WITH RESPECT TO THE PROFITS OF EXXON, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT IS RELEVANT, TO SOME EXTENT,... |
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TWO QUICK POINTS. FIRST OF ALL, IT IS SIMPLE NOT CORRECT TO DIVIDE THE AWARD TO THE HE -- AS A MEAN... |
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NEXT CALL COMES FROM VIRGINIA. GO AHEAD. |
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I HAVE KIND OF A COMPLICATED QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOUR PANELISTS. I HOPE I'M INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO... |
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THANKS FOR YOUR CALL. MR. HACKER? |
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WELL, I COMPLETELY AGREE THE COURT IS NOT GOING TO BE SWAYED BY PUBLIC OPINION. BUT, IT IS, OF COURSE,... |
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COLETTE ROUTEL, IT WAS NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC -- ANY KIND OF PUBLIC PRESSURE ON THE JUSTICES, BUT... |
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I BELIEVE JUSTICE ALITO RECUSED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE OWNS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EXXON STOCKS AND JUST... |
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NEXT UP IS ROSEBURG, OREGON ON OUR LINE FOR DEMOCRATS. GO AHEAD. |
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GOOD MORNING, FOLKS. THANK GOD FOR C-SPAN. PLEASE DON'T CUT ME OFF HERE. THE QUESTION I NEED TO ASK,... |
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THERE WILL BE NO BUSTING KNEECAPS ON OUR PROGRAM TODAY. |
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TO ANSWER THE CALLER'S QUESTION, THOUGH, ABOUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF... |
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I'D ACTUALLY. |
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GO AHEAD. |
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EXCUSE ME. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO TO RESPOND TO THAT, AS WELL. I DO KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF PLAINTIFFS... |
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JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE DISTRICT COURT, THE SAME DISTRICT COURT WITH UPHELD A $5 BILLION AWARD DISMISSED... |
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THE FOLKS ASKING FOR THIS COMPENSATION IS JUST PRIVATE CITIZENS AND MEN AND WOMEN IN THE FISHING INDUSTRY... |
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THE STATE HAD AN INTEREST AND LITIGATED IT. IT WAS DAMAGES TO ITS NATURAL RESOURCES AND IT SUED AND... |
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DALLAS, TEXAS, YOU'RE ON THE "WASHINGTON JOURNAL." |
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GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN. I HAVE MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION. SINCE THE "VALDEZ"... |
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WE'LL MOVE ON TO WEST BERLIN, NEW JERSEY ON OUR LINE FOR DEMOCRATS. |
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YEAH, HOW ARE YOU? I'D LIKE TO SAY, ALSO, JUST A COMMENT THAT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AND NOT ONLY DID... |
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COLETTE ROUTEL OUT OF MADISON HEIGHTS, MICHIGAN, GO AHEAD. DID YOU HEAR -- |
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THE COMMENT FROM THAT LAST VIEWER? |
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YES, SIR -- YES, MA'AM, I'M SORRY. |
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WELL, I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT EXXON SHOULD GO AHEAD AND PAY THE PUNITIVE DAMAGE AWARD HERE IN THIS... |
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WHY HAS IT TAKEN 19 YEARS FOR THIS CASE TO GET TO THE SUPREME COURT? |
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WELL, I -- I THINK IT'S COMPLICATED AND ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S TAKEN SO LONG IS THAT EXXON HAS CHANGED... |
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FLANKLY, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. THE TRIAL I THINK WAS IN 1994, AN APPEAL ON THE 9th CIRCUIT... |
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THESE ARE PUNITIVE DAMAGES CASES UNRELATED TO |
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RIGHT, JUST CONSTITUTIONAL CASES AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS EXXON HAD BEEN PRESENTING WAS THAT... |
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TALKING ABOUT THE "EXXON VALDEZ" SUPREME COURT CASE ARGUED YESTERDAY WITH JONATHAN HACKER AND COLETTE... |
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I DID REPRESENT EXXON. |
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YOU DID REPRESENT EXXON. WERE YOU IN THE COURTROOM YESTERDAY? |
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YES. |
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OKAY. AND HAVE AGREED TO COME ON AND TALK ABOUT THE CASE HERE ON THE "WASHINGTON JOURNAL." NEXT UP... |
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HELLO. I'M A GREEN. I HAD A FEW COMMENTS TO MAKE. I LIVED IN ALASKA DURING THE TIME OF THE "EXXON... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CALL, MA'AM. JONATHAN HACKER? |
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THERE WAS, IN FACT, A PLAN IN PLACE AGREED UPON -- IT WAS AGREED UPON BY THE PUBLIC OFFICIALS INVOLVED,... |
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AND -- |
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I'D LIKE. |
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GO AHEAD. |
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IF I MAY RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE POINTS. I THINK IT'S SORT OF UNFAIR TO CHARACTERIZE THIS AS AN ACCIDENT... |
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WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT THE JUSTICES HAD THAT WOULD INDICATE THEY ARE GOING TO CONSIDER EITHER... |
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I DON'T THINK THE LATTER IS IN ISSUE IN THE CASE WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE BEFORE THE PIPELINE WAS... |
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LOGANVILLE, GEORGIA, YOU'RE ON THE "WASHINGTON JOURNAL." |
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THANK YOU, C-SPAN. IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE EXXON ATTORNEY AND EXXON ITSELF IS HAIR-SPLITTING OVER... |
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SIR? |
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WELL, I'VE ALREADY TRIED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION B WHETHER EXXON HAS TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY WHICH IT... |
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MOUNTS SHASTA, CALIFORNIA ON OUR LINE FOR INDEPENDENTS. |
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GOOD MORNING, C-SPAN. |
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MORNING. |
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I WANT TO SAY, A COMMENT AND A QUESTION. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE TRIAL ITSELF, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF... |
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MR. HACKER? |
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WELL, THE DOUBLE-HULL ISSUE -- WELL, FIRST OF ON ALL ON THE MEDIA, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT... |
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ROCHESTER, NEW YORK ON OUR LINE FOR REPUBLICANS, GO |
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THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? |
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GO AHEAD WITH YOUR QUESTION, SIR. |
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I'M CURIOUS, I HAVE A COMMENT AND A SMALL QUESTION. I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW MR. HACKER FEELS LIKE, WHILE... |
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NO BONUS. BUT, I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT CLEAR, TO BE -- YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT EXXON... |
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I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT POINT AND THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE IS NO LAW THAT SAYS PUNITIVE DAMAGES... |
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OUR LAST CALL FOR THIS SESSION COMES FROM ESSEX, VERMONT ON OUR LINE FOR DEMOCRATS. GO AHEAD. |
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YES. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE CORPORATIZATION OF THE SUPREME COURT. AND IT PLAYS TO EXXON'S... |
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YEAH. I WOULD SAY THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY CLEAR THAT THESE NEW APPOINTEES ARE GOING TO... |
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I AGREE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE IT IS UNPREDICTABLE IN SOME WAYS BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF... |
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COLETTE ROUTEL AND JONATHAN HACKER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING ON OUR PROGRAM. |
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THANK YOU. |
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WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK THEN WRAP UP THIS EDITION OF "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" WITH OPEN PHONES... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.