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DAVID LEVERING LEWIS, WHO WAS WILLIAM EDWARD BURKHART DUBOIS? |
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HE WAS A MULTIFACETED AMERICAN PERSONALITY, A LEADING INTELLECTUAL, ONE OF THE TOWERING INTELLECTUALS... |
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YOU TALK OFTEN ABOUT THAT IN YOUR DOUBLE BIOGRAPHY OF W.E.B. DU BOIS ABOUT HIS CALVINIST DISCIPLINE.... |
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WELL, HE GREW UP IN THE MOUNTAINS, THE HILLS OF NEW ENGLAND IN THE BERKSHIRES OF MASSACHUSETTS, SOUTHERN... |
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WHEN DID HE REALLY MAKE THE SCENE? WHEN DID HE BECOME WELL KNOWN? |
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YES, I THINK 1903. I THINK THAT WAS HIS STAR MOMENT WHEN SEEMINGLY OUT OF NO WHERE CAME OUT OF THAT... |
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HOW ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH BOOKER T. WASHINGTON EVOLVE? |
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CLANGORUSLY I WOULD SAY. BY 1910, THEY HAVE REACHED THE POINT WHERE THEY ARE IRRECONCILABLE. IN... |
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HOW HAS BOOKER T. WASHINGTON BEEN TREATED IN HISTORY? |
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WELL, HE COMES AND GOES. HE WAXES AND WANES AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN HIS PROMINENCE... |
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WHEN DID YOU MEET W.E.B. DU BOIS? |
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I REMEMBERED THE MEETING AS I GOT INTO THE RESEARCH FOR THE'RESEARCH FOR THE BOOK.BOIS? |
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I REMEMBERED THE MEETING AS I GOT INTO THE 'RESEARCH FOR THE BOOK. AND MY FATHER PRESENTED ME, THAT... |
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AND YOU WERE 12? |
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I WAS 10 OR 11 OR 12. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE ANSWER WAS. BUT, OF COURSE, I SAY WITH SOME IRONY IN... |
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WHICH IS? |
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WHICH IS TO SPEND PART OF MY LIFE IN HIS LIFE. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO "IN DEPTH." OUR GUEST IS DAVID LEVERING LEWIS, AUTHOR OF ABOUT EIGHT... |
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PRISONER OF HONOR THAT. |
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THE DREYFUSS AFFAIR. WHEN HARLEM WAS IN VOGUE AND THERE WAS THE PORTABLE HARLEM RENAISSANCE FAIRE... |
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LIKE DUBOIS, I REINVENT MY PREFERENCES OF THE YEARS GO BY. I I'M PROUD OF THE RACE TO FASHODA, AND... |
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WE WANT |
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WE WANT TO PUT THE NUMBERS UP ON THE SCREEN. DR. LEWIS WILL BE HERE FOR THE NEXT THREE HOURS AND SOME... |
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I'M AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY IN THE HISTORY DEPARTMENT. |
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YOU WERE AT RUTGERS? |
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SOME 18 YEARS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HUDSON. THAT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE, A GOOD RUN. EXCELLENT... |
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TWO QUESTIONS, WHAT IS WILBUR FORCE AND WHY WERE THERE IN 1948? |
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WILBUR FORCE WAS FOUNDED IN THE LATE 1840s. IT WAS INDEED THE FIRST SCHOOL OF HIGHER EDUCATION FOR... |
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WHERE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL IN. |
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I WENT TO THE PREPARATORY SCHOOL THERE ON CAMPUS, AND THEN WE MOVED SOUTH. WE MOVED TO ATLANTA, GEORGIA,... |
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YOU GRADUATED AT THE AGE OF 14? |
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AND I WENT ON TO FISK. |
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AT AGE 14? |
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15, I GUESS, BY THE TIME I GOT THERE I WAS 15. FISK HAD SOMETHING CALLED AN EARLY ENTRANCE PROGRAM... |
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ATLANTA UNIVERSITY, BIG W.E.B. DUBOIS CONNECTION. |
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VERY MUCH SO. DUBOIS MADE HIS MARK THERE. HE WROTE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BOOKS IN AMERICAN HISTORIOGRAPHY,... |
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HOW LONG DID DR. DUBOIS TEACH THERE? |
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HE TAUGHT THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS CAREER IN 1899 UNTIL 1910, AND THEN HE RETURNED AFTER HE DEPARTED... |
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HE GOT A JOB OFFER FROM TUSKEGEE AT ONE POINT FROM BOOKER T. WASHINGTON? |
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YES. WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED THAT OFFER FROM CONTINUOUSTUSKEGEE JUST AFTER HE HAD THE OFFER TO TEACH... |
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HOW WELL KNOWN WAS W.E.B. DUBOIS IN THIS PERIOD IN 1919? WAS HE A HOUSEHOLD NAME AND KNOWN IN ACADEMIC... |
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A BIT OF BOTH. IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AFTER 1903, CERTAINLY, A HOUSEHOLD NAME. BY 1910,... |
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WOULD MEMBERS OF CONGRESS KNOW WHO HE IS AND HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT HIM? |
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THAT'S A QUESTION YOU WOULD ASK TODAY ABOUT CONGRESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION. AND YOU'RE NEVER... |
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HOW WAS HIS POPULARITY OR RENOWN COMPARED TO BOOKER T. WASHINGTON'S AT THE TIME? |
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WASHINGTON WAS THE STRONG HORSE. HE WAS THE PERSON THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT PREFERRED TO HEAR AND PROMOTE,... |
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WHY WAS THERE A SPATE OF RACE RIOTS DURING THAT POINT, DURING THE 1900s TO 1910? |
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IT'S ECONOMIC DEMOGRAPHICS, IN FACT. THE INDUSTRIAL VITALITY OF CITIES IN THE NORTH BRINGS NORTH ... |
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WHO IS NINA DUBOIS? |
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NINAW+: DUBOIS WAS THE MRS. DUBOIS. A LOVELY STUDENT DUBOIS MARRIED WHOM HE TAUGHT AT WILBUR FORCE.... |
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THAT WAS BURKHART? |
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THAT WAS BURKHART. |
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AT 2 YEARS OLD? |
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HE DIES OF DIPHTHERIA. NO CURE FOR DIPHTHERIA REALLY IN THOSE DAYS, ALTHOUGH MEDICAL SCIENCE WAS JUST... |
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NINA DID NOT LIKE ATLANTA. |
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SHE DID NOT. SHE LOATHED THE PLACE. |
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WHY? |
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ONE, BECAUSE SHE FELT THAT THE LOSS OF A SON WAS RESPONSIBLE, TO BE EXPLAINED BY SEGREGATION. IT... |
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WHEN DID SHE DIE? |
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ABOUT 1950, I BELIEVE, YES. |
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AND W.E.B. DUBOIS REMARRIED. |
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HE DID. HE MARRIED A WOMAN VERY MUCH TO HIS TEMPERAMENT AN INTELLECTUAL, DYNAMIC, VERY MUCH A PUBLIC... |
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MARY WAS HER NAME? |
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HER NAME WAS -- I'M HAVING A SENIOR MOMENT. |
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I THINK IT WAS MARY GRAHAM. AND WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE-CHECK THAT. HERE'S A PICTURE OF W.E.B. DUBOIS,... |
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OH, YES. THAT'S AT A DINNER, UH-HUH. |
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THE FINAL QUESTION BEFORE WE GO TO CALLS, YOU DIVIDED THIS --. |
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SHIRLEY GRAHAM DUBOIS. |
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SHIRLEY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT MARY. BUT YOU DIVIDED THIS BIOGRAPHY INTO TWO PARTS, AND BOTH PULITZER... |
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CANDIDLY BECAUSE THE BIOGRAPHY BEGAN TO OVERWHELM ME. I HAD SAID RATHER IMPRUDE GENTLY TO MY PUBLISHING... |
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DID HAVE IT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE END OF WORLD WAR II, 1919? |
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YOU HAD A COMPLETION IN MANY WAYS, 1919 AND 1920. |
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AND FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW, WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT TO GET INTO THE ARCHIVES OF THE FORMER SOVIET... |
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YES. DUBOIS WENT TO THE SOVIET UNION IN THE LATE 1920s, AND THEN HE RETURNED IN THE MID-1930s. AND... |
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WHERE DOES THE BROOKS BROTHERS BLAZER FIT INTO THIS? |
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IT SEEMED TO SUGGEST SHOPPING TOURS ON THE PART OF THEM. |
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OUR GUEST IS DAVID LEVERING LEWIS, GREENCASTLE, INDIANA, YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT. YOU'RE ON THE... |
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MR. LEWIS, IT'S A PLEASURE TO TALK TO YOU. YOUR OUTPUT AS A SCHOLAR IS INSPIRING? |
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THANK YOU. |
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I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE INTERCEPTION BETWEEN CREATIVE WRITING AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY? ... |
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YOU'RE ASKING IF THERE'S A NOVEL IN DUBOIS' LIFE. |
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THAT WOULD REALLY WORK WELL AS A SORRY, SIR? |
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WELL, I WOULD THINK SO. I'VE RESISTED ALL ATTEMPTS AT FICTION, AND SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT BEYOND... |
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WHAT DID W.E.B. DUBOIS MEAN BY THE TALENTED TENTH? |
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THAT HAS BEEN SUCH A CONTROVERSIAL CONCEPT THROUGH THE YEARS OF INTERPRETATION. WHAT I THINK HE MEANT... |
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HOBIE SOUND, FLORIDA, YOU'RE ON WITH PROFESSOR LEWIS. |
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BEFORE I SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY, WHAT I CALLED TO SAY, I HAVE TO REALLY SAY THAT YOUR CHARACTERIZATION... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. ANYTHING THERE YOU WANT TO ADDRESS? |
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AND I WILL JUST SAY I'LL STAND BY MY CHARACTERIZATION WITH THE COMMENT. DENYING ALL AMERICANS THE... |
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TEXARKANA, TEXAS, GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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PROFESSOR LEWIS, IT'S AN HONOR, SIR. MY NAME IS CHARLES EVERETT PAGE. AND I'M AN INTERPRETER AND I... |
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WELL, I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO BE PRESENT AT YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE CORRECT.... |
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WHERE DID YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH? |
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FOR DUBOIS? |
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YES? |
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YES. YES. IN A NUMBER OF INSTITUTIONS AT YALE WITH THE JAMES WELDON JOHNSON COLLECTION AT HARVARD... |
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MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE MEDIA TODAY AND HOW IN SO MANY INSTANCES THE POPULACE AND THE REPRESENTATIVES... |
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THAT'S A BIG CHARGE. AND IT IS REALLY THE CURSE OF OUR DAY, ISN'T IT? THAT WE HAVE NOW 24/7 REPORTAGE... |
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DR. LEWIS, WHEN WAS HARLEM IN VOGUE? |
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WHEN WAS IT, THE QUESTION IS? WELL, THE TITLE WAS DIFFICULT TO COME BY. IT WAS INSPIRED BY AN ESSAY... |
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WHO IS READING LANGSTON HUGHES ET |
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THE SALES WERE PRETTY GOOD, KNOPP FOUND. THE WAYS OF WHITE FOLK WAS A WONDERFUL READ, CONTROVERSIAL,... |
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THE NEXT CALL COMES FROM SPRING LAKE, NORTH CAROLINA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. I BELIEVE DUBOIS -- I MEAN, HE WAS AHEAD OF HIS TIME ON A LOT OF ISSUES BUT I ALSO... |
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CALLER, WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH ALL THIS. |
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WHERE I'M GOING, HE WOULD PROBABLY SEE IT NOW AS AN ECONOMIC THING INSTEAD OF RACE AND MAYBE IF WE... |
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THANK YOU? |
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THAT'S AN INTERPRETATION THAT I FIND SO PERVERSE THAT I THINK THAT I WOULD NOT ATTACH DUBOIS' VIEWS... |
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AND WHY IS IT DUBOIS INSTEAD OF DUBOIS? |
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IT WAS HIS RIGHT TO DO SO, LIKE ROOSEVELT NOT ROOSEVELT OR BERNSTEIN, NOT BERNSTEIN. HE SAID IT IS... |
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BRIDGEPORT, CONNECTICUT, GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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HELLO. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN, BY THE WAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT... |
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THERE'S A BIT OF A MIX IN WHAT YOU'VE SAID, AND I THINK IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO EXTRACT THE VARIOUS... |
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WHEN DUBOIS GRADUATED FROM HARVARD OR GOT HIS PH.D. IN HARVARD, HE WAS IT IS FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN... |
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YES, HE WAS. |
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WHAT WAS THE COST? |
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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN ALL OF MAYBE $1,000, YES. |
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SYRACUSE, NEW YORK, GOOD AFTERNOON. YOU'RE ON "IN DEPTH" WITH DAVID LEVERING LEWIS. |
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HELLO, THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY PHONE CALL. PROFESSOR LEWIS, I'VE RECENTLY STARTED READING A BOOK WHICH... |
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YES. THAT IS INTERESTING THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DUBOIS AND EINSTEIN. AND THEY BOTH)2 WERE JOINED... |
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WHERE DO YOU LIVE? |
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I LIVE IN THE UPPER WEST SIDE, AS MY FRIEND CALLS IT THE REPUBLIC OF THE UPPER WEST SIDE. WE LEAVE... |
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WE HAVE A QUOTE WRITTEN BY RUTHANNE aU FOR DAVID WRITING IS AN UNFORGIVING THING. IT'S BEING ALONE... |
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WELL, THIS, OF COURSE, COMES FROM MY WIFE. HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES, I'M SURE, WHEN A CONFLAGRATION... |
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YOU WERE MARRIED IN 1993 AND YOU HAVE THREE CHILDREN |
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rh/ THERE'S A DAUGHTER HERE IN WASHINGTON, ALLISON, SON-IN-LAW, HER HUSBAND, MICHAEL, AND A GRANDDAUGHTER... |
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WELL, WE VISITED DR. LEWIS AT HIS HOME IN DUTCHES COUNTY JUST RECENTLY TO SEE HOW HE WRITES. .. WE'VE... |
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WE HEADED TOWARD THE LIGHTING COCKPIT. |
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THIS IS A NOVICE TYPEWRITER, THE COMPUTER. FOR ME, THAT'S ITS REAL ADVANTAGE. ALL THE OTHER THINGS... |
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YOU HAVE RED, BLUE GREEN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU. |
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IT'S VARIETY, I GUESS. EITHER ALL IN BLACK OR ALL IN BLUE. THIS GIVES YOU KIND OF A VISUAL RELIEF,... |
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WE ARE BACK LIVE WITH DR. LEVERING LEWIS. THIS IS IN-DEPTH. FIRST SUNDAY OF EVERY MONTH WE HAVE A... |
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IT SEEMS TO FIT THE GREAT VARIETY OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE STORY THAT I WAS TRYING TO TELL. A CRUCIBLE... |
| 01:14:42 |
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TWO QUESTIONS. WHAT IS MESOPOTAMIA? |
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IT LITERALLY MEANS BETWEEN THE RIVERS. TIGRESS AND EUPHRATES. SO WE'RE TALKING IRAQ AND SYRIA AND... |
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WHY IS IT THAT -- WHY IS IT THAT ISLAM DID NOT MAKE IT UP PAST SPAIN. |
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WELL, MAINLY BECAUSE FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS ONE MIGHT SAY. BUT MAINLY BECAUSE AFTER THE HISTORIC... |
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WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO TELL THIS STORY, WRITE THIS HISTORY. |
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IN THE EARLY 1980'S, I WENT ON A RESEARCH JUNKET FROM SUDAN TO KHARTOUM. WHAT TOOK ME TO KHARTOUM... |
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LET'S GET BACK TO YOUR PHONE CALLS. WINSTON SALEM, YOU'RE ON. |
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THE LAST COUPLE YEARS CORRESPONDED ROUGHLY TO THE YEARS THAT JOHN KENNEDY WAS IN THE WHITEHOUSE. ... |
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WELL, GREAT SKEPTICISM INITIALLY. AND OF COURSE WHAT HE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT AT THE END OF THE DAY... |
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DIDN'T WILKINS ANNOUNCE DUBOIS' DEATH. |
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YES, INDEED. THERE'S A POIGNANT PAUSE IN HONOR OF THE DEPARTED MAN WHOSE LIFE WAS MAKING IT POSSIBLE... |
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WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT OF THE RACE. MALL BECK SENDS YOU AN E-MAIL. HAD A PLEASURE OF READING... |
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IT'S AN UNALLOYED BENEFIT. IT'S AN ACCOMMODATION OF MODERN FEE TO SOCIETIES THAT ARE LESS DEVELOPED.... |
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WHAT DID KING LEOPOLD PLAY. |
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HORRENDOUS. I TELL THAT STORY, I THINK, WITH CHIMPS AS I TELL IT. AND THEN I WAS DELIGHTED WHEN ADAM... |
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VERY QUICKLY. WHAT AND WHERE IS FOSHODA. |
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IT NO LONGER EXISTS BECAUSE OF THE HUMANATION THAT THE FRENCH SUSTAINED AT THE HANDS OF THE BRITISH... |
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YOU'RE ON WITH DR. LEWIS. |
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DR. LEWIS SAID THE BOOK ON RECONSTRUCTION WAS WRITTEN FROM A MARXIST POINT OF VIEW. DID THEY HAVE... |
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DUBOIS HAD A THEORY OF HISTORY. I THINK IT WAS THAT THE PROBLEM OF THE 20TH CENTURY IS THE PROBLEM... |
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ELIZABETH, NORTH CAROLINA. GOOD AFTERNOON. . |
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YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, C-SPAN AND DR. LEWIS. MANY A MAMMOTH OF A HISTORIAN, WHAT A GREAT WAY TO START... |
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THANK YOU. YOU HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THERE. WITH THE FIRST, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'VE SAID. THE ENDING,... |
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NEXT CALL FOR DR. LEWIS. NEW JERSEY. |
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AFTER I SEE THE BATON DR. LEWIS I WONDER WHAT INSTRUMENTS YOU HAVE STUDIED. CLEARLY YOU HAVE STUDIED... |
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CALLER, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'VE SEEN DR. LEWIS WITH THE BATON. OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. |
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I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT HIS MUSICAL BACKGROUND. BUT I DO WANT TO REFERENCE TO A PAPER HE POSED IN FORD... |
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CALLER WE'LL LEAVE IT THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. |
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WE HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS MY MUSICAL PREPARATION. IT IS PRETTY IMPOVERISHED. I REALLY CAN'T... |
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ARE YOU TEACHING THIS SEMESTER. |
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I TAUGHT LAST SEMESTER AND I'VE BEEN AWARDED A FELLOWSHIP AT THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF BERLIN WHICH... |
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A LOT OF PARALLELS BETWEEN YOU AND DUBOIS. |
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I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BUT THERE IS THAT. HE WENT TO A FELLOWSHIP BY THE PHILADELPHIA FOUNDATION,... |
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HE ALSO STUDIED IN BERLIN IN THE 1800'S . |
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HE DID INDEED. |
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THE LAST TIME I SAW YOU ON TELEVISION WAS IN REGARD TO YOUR LAST BOOK. I WAS IMPRESSED AT THAT TIME... |
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THANKS CALLER. PROFESSOR. |
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YES. I REALLY CAN'T OFFER SOLUTIONS, I THINK. AND IF I DID, I THINK I WOULD BE MOST UNHAPPY WITH MY... |
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IF YOU ARE A FAN OF BOOKER T. WASHINGTON ARE YOU AUTOMATICALLY ANTI-E.D. DUBOIS. |
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YOU CAN TRIANGLATE THAT POSITION. BY 1925, HE BEGAN TO ACCOMMODATE MANY OF THE OF THE PROGRAMS OF... |
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TUCSON, ARIZONA. |
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I'M A FIRST TIME CALLER FROM C-SPAN, I'M CALLING FROM TUCSON, ARIZONA. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, DO... |
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THE ANSWER INDEED IS YES. YOUR QUESTION HAS A LITTLE BIT OF SKEPTICISM TO IT. CAN A PERSON WHO WRITES... |
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RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, YOU'RE ON. |
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COULD YOU TALK ABOUT DUBOIS'S FEELINGS TOWARDS WOODROW WILSON. AND DID HE EXPRESS AN OPINION OF EXISTENTIALISM... |
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IT'S RATHER UNCOMPLIMENTARY AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW. DUBOIS ABANDONED THE SOCIALIST PARTY IN 1912 AND... |
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IN A MORE MACRO SENSE, HOW DID WORLD WAR I CHANGE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN EXPERIENCE |
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BY BEING GRIEVOUSLY DISAPPOINTING. AND SO MAKING ONE THE HARLEM RENAISSANCE A NECESSITY. IT WAS CLEAR... |
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WHO WAS MARCUS GARVEY. |
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MARCUS GARVEY WAS A JAMAICAN WHO CAME TO THE UNITED STATES IN THE 1916, 17 AND AT NO TIME AT ALL THROUGH... |
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QUEENS NEW YORK, YOU'RE ON THE AIR WITH DAVID LEVERING LEWIS. GO AHEAD. |
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HELLO. HELLO, MR. LEWIS, HOW ARE YOU. |
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HOLDING UP. |
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I'M CALLING ABOUT YOUR STUDY ABOUT THE BIAS OF THE HISTORY BOOK BECAUSE OF YOUR LOVE OF IT. I WANT... |
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I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH A VIGOROUS AFFIRMATIVE YES I DO. IT'S NOT JUST A BOOK TO SPEAK ... |
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WE HAVE ONE OUR LEFT WITH OUR GUEST DAVID LEVERING LEWIS TO DO OUR GUEST PROGRAM FOR THE MONTH OF... |
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YEAH, PRETTY MUCH. WHAT'S, WHAT'S NOT IN THE LIBRARY AT NEW YORK PUBLIC OR AT THE NEW YORK PUBLIC... |
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AND ARE THOSE BOOKS THAL YOU PURCHASED -- |
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YES, THEY ARE FROM PRETTY MUCH MY RESEARCH BUDGET. OR OR FROM THE, THE ADVANCE TO DO THE BOOK. FOR... |
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USING THAT BOOK AS AN EXAMPLE, HOW, HOW WOULD, HOW DID YOU USE IT? HOW MUCH OF IT DID YOU READ? AND... |
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IN THIS CASE, I ACTUALLY, YOU'LL FIND MARGIN IN THE BOOK, IN THE VOLUMES THEMSELVES. I USED IT QUITE... |
| 02:03:34 |
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NOW THAT YOU HAVE THIS COLLECTION OF BOOKS FOR YOUR LAST PROJECT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THESE? |
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WELL, MY WIFE WOULD ASK THAT QUESTION. SHE WOULD SAY WHERE DO THESE BOOKS GO? MY PERSPECTIVE, THEY... |
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EARLIER YOU SHOWED ME A DRAWING ON THE WALL HERE. |
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THIS IS, THIS RAN IN THE "NEW YORK REVIEW OF BOOKS" REVIEW OF VOLUME, VOLUME 2 OF DUBOYCE AND IT WAS... |
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THESE BOOKS THAT YOU HAVE HERE, IS THERE ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO THEM OR ORDER TO THEM. |
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THERE SHOULD BE. THIS IS THE FULL RUN OF GIBBONS, THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE, THE FOLIO... |
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IN DEPTH RR IS BACK LIVE WITH DAVID LEVERING LEWIS. WE JUST LOOKED AT SOME OF OUR FAVORITE WRITERS,... |
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THE, BOOKQUY THE EMERGING REPUBLICAN MAJORITY." SEEMED TO ME TO PUT A, AN ANALYTICAL FINGER ON WHAT... |
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ONE OF YOUR GREATEST INFLUENCES, JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN, WHO HAS SAT IN THAT SEAT. |
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INDEED. OH, JOHN, JOHN HAS BEEN. WORDS ALMOST FAIL ME. HE AND I WERE MENTORED BY THE SAME HISTORY... |
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ONE OF YOUR MOST ADMIRED HISTORICAL FIGURES CHA GUEVARA. I LIKE THE BIOGRAPHY, I THINK IT IS ONE... |
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BACK TO YOUR PHONE CALLS FOR DAVID LEVERING LEWIS. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON, PROFESSOR LEWIS. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS. VERY SELDOM A VERY WRITTEN LIFE IS NOT THE WELL SPENT ONE AND SELDOM... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. |
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YES, HAVE WE MENTIONED THE AMY BOOK? |
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WE RAN IT. |
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OH, I SEE. |
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THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE BOOKS YOU ARE CURRENTLY READING. |
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IT CERTAINLY IS. IT'S SO SMART AND MIGHT EVEN BE RIGHT. SO IT'S REALLY A DELIGHT. AND WHAT IS THE,... |
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ABOUT YOU SPECIFICALLY. |
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ABOUT ME SPECIFICALLY. HARD QUESTION. I SUPPOSE I THINK ICONIC LIVES, AND I THINK THAT WORD MAY... |
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ART MESEA STAND BURA Ph.D, E-MAIL, TEACH A CLASS ON BLACK POLITICS, OFTEN SCHEDULE A CLASS PERIOD... |
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THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN DuBOIS AND J. EDGAR HOOVER IS OF COURSE A, A FICTION. AND I HOPE THAT YOUR... |
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MY NAME IS MATT REAMER AHISTORY MAJOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA,. IN THE EARLY 1930s, DuBOIS, ... |
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IT'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE CHAPTER FOR A BIOGRAPHER. WHEN I WAS IN THE SOVIET UNION, I, HAD THE, THE ACCESS... |
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ORLANDO, FLORIDA. |
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YES, PROFESSOR LEWIS, THIS S THIS HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL DISCUSSION. OUR COUNTRY IS ON THE BRINK OF... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. |
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I'M SENATOR OBAMA, AND I APPROVE THAT MESSAGE. THERE'S MUCH IN WHAT YOU SAY AND WHAT WE WANT TO BE... |
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PROFESSOR LEWIS, MY NAME IS THEODORE A. HARRIS. I'M VISUAL ARTIST WHO CULOTIONS AND BARACK'S CRUTEAK... |
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I AM GOING TO HAVE TO CONFESS UNCERTAINTY OF DETAIL. IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T THINK ON THIS... |
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SAN FRANCISCO. GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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HELLO. DR. LEWIS, I WOULD CURIOUS TO KNOW IF YOU LISTEN TO MUSIC WHEN YOU WRITE AND WHAT KIND OF... |
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I DO. I LISTEN TO ONE OF THE CLASSICAL MUSIC STATIONS OF WHICH WE HAVE FEWER AND FEWER. I HAVE A... |
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WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO BE A COLLEGE STUDENT AT AGE 15? |
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TO BE IN A SITUATION IN WHICH YOU PROBABLY DON'T GROW UP AS OTHER PEOPLE DO AS, AS, AS FAST, THE... |
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WHAT WAS NASHVILLE LIKE FOR YOU IN 1950, 51 WHEN YOU WERE THERE? |
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THE CAMPUS WAS PRETTY MUCH AN ENCLAVE. THERE WAS RECIPROCITY BETWEEN VANDERBILT. FISK WAS VERY WELL... |
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SAN DIEGO. GOOD AFTERNOON ZBFRJTS GOOD MORNING, DR. LEVERING. YOU ARE VERY INSPIRATIONAL. I APPRECIATE... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. |
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WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN ONLY JOIN THE CHORUS IN MY CONCERN ABOUT YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN OF COLOR AND... |
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WHAT IS YOUR PROJECT IN BERLIN? |
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IT'S -- YES, IT'S, TO TAKE THE HARLEM RENAISSANCE BOOK AND MATE IT TO A A BOOK ON, ON VIMAR IN BERLIN.... |
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AND THIS IS THE BOOK, "WHEN HARLEM WAS IN VOGUE" WAS THE BOOK DR. LEWIS WAS REFERRING TO. ONE OF THE... |
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I DID MY TERMINAL DEGREE AT COLUMBIA SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS. IT WAS A DEGREE IN THIRD REHBBACK -- REPUBLIC... |
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NEXT CALL FOR DAVID LEVERING LEWIS, ROGER CITY, MICHIGAN. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
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YES, DR. LEWIS. I SAW YOUR LIST ON FAVORITE AUTHORS, AND I NOTICED ROBERT GRAVES IS ONE OF THEM.... |
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NO, I HAVE NOT. I WILL PUT IT ON MY LIST THOUGH. THANK YOU, THOUGH. |
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LACROSS, WISCONSIN, GOOD AFTERNOON, PROFESSOR DAVID LEVERING LEWIS ON IN DEPTHS RR. |
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YES, DR. LEWIS, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY THERE ALWAYS SEEM TO BE THIS ADVERSARIAL... |
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WELL, I THINK THIS DICOSOMY OR THIS OPPOSITION COME -- DICHOTOMY OR THIS OPPOSITION JUST COMES FROM... |
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DENVER. GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE PROFESSOR WHAT HE CONSIDERED... |
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WELL, HE CERTAINLY WAS ACCEPTING OF ALL, ALL CULTURES, INDEED. THAT WAS, I THINK, THE ESSENCE OF... |
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IN, IN GOD'S CRUSEBLE YOU DO A MINI HISTORY OF MUHAMMAD IN THERE ALSO AND HE WAS RATHER CONTROVERSYWHILE... |
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HE WAS. THESE, PERSONALITIES WHO APPEAR AND CREATE WORLD HISTORIC RELIGIONS ARE NOT EASY CHARACTERS.... |
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IN -- WHO WAS HIS WIFE? |
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HIS WIFE WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS WOMAN, QUITE RARE IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD, AND INDEED,... |
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JOE BURNS, SANTA CLARA, CALIFORNIA, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE ERIC PHONER HISTORY OF THE RECONSTRUCTION... |
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AMONG THE FAVORITES ARE ERIC PHONER'S RECONSTRUCTION. I DON'T THINK ERIC WOULD TAKE IT AMISS IF I... |
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ABOUT 15 MINUTES LEFT. WITH OUR IN DEPTH GUEST FOR THIS MONTH, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR.... |
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HELLO, DR. LEWIS. |
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HELLO. |
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YES, I WAS WANTING TO ASK TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. ONE IS, DO YOU FEEL THAT DR. CORNELL WEST AND DR.... |
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OKAY. WELL, I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION IS, IS REFLECTED IN THE TITLES THAT HAVE BEEN... |
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EAST ST. LOUIS. |
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HELLO, GOOD |
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HI. |
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I'MINATE SAN DIEGO, BUT I GREW UP IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS, AND QUITE A COINCIDENCE INCIDENTALLY... |
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THANK YOU SCBLFRJTS AT ANY RATE, I, I'VE READ THE HARLEM RENAISSANCE RR AND IT'S A PLEASURE TO SPEAK... |
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CALLER, LET'S LEAVE IT, THERE. THANKS. WELL, I THINK I COVER THAT AS BEST I CAN IN, IN THE FIRST... |
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NEXT CALL FROM DR. LEWIS COMES FROM NEPTUNE, NEW JERSEY. YOU ARE ON THE AIR. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON, DOCTOR DR. LEWIS. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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I AM A DAVID AS WELL. I CALLED CHIEFLY TO EXPLAIN YOU FOR BROADENING MY HORIZONS WITH THE LISTS OF... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIR. |
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NEW YORK CITY. GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. MY QUESTION TO DR. LEWIS IS HOW COME HE HASN'T REFERRED TO -- AN AMERICAN DILEMMA?... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. |
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ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? |
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YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I, I AMEND THAT OMISSION. YES, IT'S A, IT'S A TURNING... |
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WAS DuBOIS A RICH MAN? |
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NO, HE WAS NOT. HE HAD TO KEEP WRITING FAVORABLY. HE HAD WELL RECEIVED BY FOUNDATIONS, THE CARNEGIE,... |
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ANY LIVING FAMILY MEMBERS? |
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YES, HIS GRANDDAUGHTER LIVES. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK SHE WILL NOT WRITE HER STORY OF HER LIFE WITH... |
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YOLANDA'S DAUGHTER FRNTHS YOLANDA'S DAUGHTER, YES? WHY NO PICNIC? |
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WELL, YOUNG AND WANTING TO MAKE HER OWN LIFE, SHE WENT OFF ONE, ONE TIME TO A YOUTH CONFERENCE IN... |
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SAN DIEGO, YOU'RE THE LAST CALL FOR DAVID LEVERING LEWIS. |
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WELL, HELLO. IUM AMONG AFRICAN-AMERICANS TODAY THERE SEEMS TO BE SUCH EMPHASIS ON CAREERS IN SPORTS... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. |
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THAT'S A GOOD -- THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT'S A, LOOK, IT'S REMARKABLE THE PERFORMANCE IN ATHLETICS.... |
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UNFORTUNATELY, OUR THREE HOURS ARE UP. DAVID LEVERING LEWIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING ON IN DEPTH.... |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME ZBR. |
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AND WE WANT TO SO SHOW ONE MORE TIME. WE WANT TO SELL YOUR BOOKS, KING A BIOGRAPHY, 1970, WHEN HARLEM... |
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THANK YOU. |
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DAVID LEVERING LEWIS ON BOOKTV'S INDEMTH. HE WAS' A TWO-TIME PULITZER PRIZE WINNER AND THE AUTHOF... |
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