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WE WANT TO WELCOME CLAIRE JEFFRIES, THE COEDITOR OF "MOTHER JONES" MAGAZINE BASED IN SAN FRANCISCO... |
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THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. |
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JULY-AUGUST EDITION OF "MOTHER JONES" POLITICS 2.0 SMACKDOWN ON THE COVER. KRAR I WANT TO READ A LITTLE... |
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ANOTHER CONTINUATION OF THE U.S. ATTORNEY STORY. HE POLITICIZED OPERATIONS FROM BEGINNING TO END AND... |
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WE HEARD THE PHRASE, PERMANENT CAMPAIGN IN THE CLINTON WHITE HOUSE, BUT BASED ON WHAT "THE WASHINGTON... |
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WELL IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON WITH THE SORT OF SHIFT IN THE ... |
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YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT N THIS EDITION, 2006 ELECTION CYCLE MOVEON.ORG WAS ABLE TO RAISE ALMOST $1... |
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THERE ARE A COUPLE OF NEW INNOVATIONS. THE ONLINE CLEARING OF DEBATE HAS PROVED TO BE EFFECTIVE. ... |
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YOU LOOK AT THE RECENT COVERAGE OF "MOTHER JONES" WITH MARY HARRIS JONES. |
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MARY HARRIS JONES WAS A WONDERFUL CHARACTER. SHE HAD LOST HER HUSBAND AND I THINK FOUR CHILDREN TO... |
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HOW DID THIS PUBLICATION COME ABOUT? |
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THIS PUBLICATION WAS STARTED IN 1976 WITH THE IDEA OF MAKING A FLASH IN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM,... |
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OUR PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR CLARA JEFFREY. REPUBLICAN, 202-737-001. IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, 202-737-0002... |
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GOOD MORNING. FOR MISS JEFFREY, HAVE YOU EVER IN YOUR LIFE -- HOW MANY YEARS DO YOU HAVE AS A JOURNALIST?... |
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HOW MANY YEARS DO I HAVE AS A JOURNALIST? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 20. |
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ABOUT 20. WELL, I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN OUR COUNTRY IN THE STATE... |
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I WOULD HAVE TO SAY NO. I MEAN, THE COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE WAR, AS STEVE WAS... |
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HILLARY, WHAT IS THE BASIS OF THIS PIECE? |
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THIS PIECE IS ABOUT, EXAMINES HILLARY'S RELIGIOUS CONVICTION WHICH SOME HAVE SAID IS JUST SORT OF... |
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THE PIECE POINTS OUT YOU MENTIONED SENATOR BROWNBACK AND FORMER SENATOR SANTORUM. THE GOAL IS A LEADERSHIP... |
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THAT'S RIGHT. THEY FEEL THEY'RE BEING MOVED TO USE THE GOVERNMENT TOWARDS, TO, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY... |
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I THOUGHT SHE JOINED THE FELLOWSHIP WHEN SHE CAME TO THE U.S. SENATE. YOU REPORTED SHE JOINED WHEN... |
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WHEN SHE WAS A TEENAGER IN ILLINOIS SHE TOOK PART IN VARIOUS MINISTRIES THAT WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE.... |
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RELIGION HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE IN POLITICS, GOING BACK WITH JOHN KENNEDY AND JOE LIEBERMAN, AND... |
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IT'S HARD TO KNOW HOW MITT ROMNEY AS A MORMON WILL PLAY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO A REPORTER... |
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I WANT TO GO BACK, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS PICTURE? AL FRANK. |
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RUNNING FOR SENATE IN MINNESOTA AND WHO WAS MADE MANY A JOKE ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH'S "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"... |
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DO YOU THINK CAN HE WIN IN MINNESOTA? |
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HE'S DOING AN INTERESTING JOB THERE. HE'S BEEN OUT POUNDING THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL FOR 20 MONTHS NOW ... |
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THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT WELL FOR OUR RADIO AUDIENCE. WE'RE TALKING WITH CLARA JEFFREY, COEDITOR... |
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HI, HOW ARE YOU DOING? |
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FINE, THANK YOU. |
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I WAS WONDERING THE GUEST THOUGHTS ON THE FIRST QUESTION OF THE DAY, THE DRUG WAR. WHO WHOSE INTEREST... |
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I'M SURE DENNIS KUCINICH AND SOME OF THE MORE FRENCH CANDIDATES HAVE MADE AND DISCUSSED ENDING PROHIBITION... |
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GATEWAY DRUG TO WHAT? |
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DORITOS. |
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LIKE THE CHIP? |
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YES. EVERYONE SAYS IF YOU SMOKE MARIJUANA YOU'LL START DOING COCAINE AND BE ON HEROIN. THERE'S REALLY... |
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WE'VE BEEN READING EX-ERMTS FROM NICEA GLENNIE'S ARTICLE IN "THE WASHINGTON POST." THE COLLAPSE OF... |
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THAT'S RIGHT. THE TALIBAN AND PROBABLY AL QAEDA IS BEING LARGELY FINANCED BY THE OPIUM TRADE. THEY'RE... |
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ALABAMA IS NEXT FOR CLARA JEFFREY, GOOD MORNING, THANKS FOR WAITING ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. |
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HAPPY TO DO THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE QUESTION IS, PERSONAL QUESTIONS RELATIVE FOR OUR GUEST TODAY,... |
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NO. |
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HAVE YOU EVER SMOKED |
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YES. |
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YOU'RE NOT WHAT I CALL AN OBJECTIVE PERSON OF THIS. |
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I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU ON THAT. I AM BEA TO TURN 40 AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBER IS,... |
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I HAVE DRANK ALCOHOL. ALCOHOL IS NOT ILLEGAL. |
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IT IS NOT ILLEGAL BUT IT USED TO BE. |
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YEAH BUT I'M NOT QUITE THAT OLD. I'M OLD BUT NOT QUITE THAT OLD, YOUNG LADY. LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER... |
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CERTAINLY THE WORST SHAPE IN MY LIFETIME. |
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IN YOUR LIFETIME. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE LOW UNEMPLOYMENT RATE? HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN HOME OWNERSHIP... |
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WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE HOME OWNERSHIP PLUMMET QUITE A BIT. THE SUBPRIME MORTGAGES CRISIS THAT'S GOING... |
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ANOTHER ARTICLE, CLIMATE CHANGE MELTS THE PERMA FROST, ARCTIC VILLAGES SLIP INTO THE SEA, TAKING A... |
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HE'S THE PHOTOGRAPHER AND JULIO WHITER IS THE WRITER. |
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THIS IS A SCENE FROM THE NORTH COAST OF ALASKA. THE MESSAGE IS WHAT? |
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THE PERMAFROST IS MELTING DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE. WHEN PERMAFROST MELTS THE ICE IS WHAT'S LITERALLY... |
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IN SOME DEMOCRATIC CIRCLES THOSE WHO SUPPORT AL GORE SAY THIS SNT IS HIS ISSUE. WHY DOESN'T HE RUN... |
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I THINK HE DOESN'T RUN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IN PART HE CAN BE A REAL AMBASSADOR ON THIS ISSUE... |
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NEXT CALL, HOP KINSVILLE, KENTUCKY, DEMOCRATS LINE FOR CLARA JEFFREY. GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING. |
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GO AHEAD CALLER. |
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I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR "MOTHER JONES." I'VE BEEN A LONG TIME READER, PROBABLY SINCE IT'S BEEN IN... |
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THANK YOU. |
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A HUMOROUS STORY, MY FATHER, WHO IS NOW DEAD, WHEN I FIRST CAME OUT AND I STARTED READING IT, I THOUGHT... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED BY WHAT WE DO. THEY THINK... |
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LOCATED NEAR THE NATIONAL PRESS PROXIMATE BOX? |
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NEAR THE NATIONAL |
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HOW MANY READ "MOTHER JONES"? |
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231,000, A LITTLE ABOVE "HARPER" FOUR TIMES THE SIZE OF "THE NEW REPUBLIC." |
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MOTHERJONES.COM AND LINK TO WWW.C-SPAN.ORG. "GAY BY CHOICE. CAN HOMOSEXUALITY STILL BE A PROTECTED... |
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VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE. AND INTERESTING FOR US TO BE THE ONES TO RAISE IT. GARY GREENBERG, PSYCHOLOGIST... |
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THE DEBATE WE SAW EARLIER THIS MONTH IN LOS ANGELES, ORGANIZED BY LOGO TV ASKED THE QUESTION OF CIVIL... |
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RIGHT. |
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HOW DO YOU DEFINE -- IS THERE REALLY A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR MIND? WHEN IT COMES TO THE RIGHTS OF GAY... |
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I THINK GAY COUPLES SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT SO IF THEY WANT TO GET MARRIED, YOU KNOW,... |
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WHEN YOU SEE THIS QUESTION "GAY BY CHOICE" HOW DOES THAT -- |
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THIS IS MORE INTERESTING, BECAUSE IN PART BECAUSE THE GAY RIGHTS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ARGUING THAT GAYNESS... |
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CLARA JEFFREY, GREW UP IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, GRADUATE OF NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY, WHERE SHE EARNED... |
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FIVE YEARS. |
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GOOD MORNING. YOUR GUEST MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO THIS WAS THE WORST MESS WE'VE BEEN IN AND A CALLER... |
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CALLER, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU TRAFFIC AS WELL. I THINK THE EROSION OF CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE STANDING... |
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ARLINGTON, TEXAS, GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING STEVE AND CLARA. IT'S A PERFECT TIME FOR ME TO CALL. DON'T WORRY ABOUT THESE RIGHT-WING... |
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CALLER, WE'VE HAD THAT SENTIMENT BEFORE, SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF HE IS IMPEACHED, DICK CHENEY BECOMES... |
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BOTH OF THEM. IMPEACH DOWN THE LINE. YOU CAN IMPEACH A SENATOR. YOU CAN IMPEACH A HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE.... |
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THANK YOU. |
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WELL I THINK THE FIRST STORY IS ALBERTO GONZALEZ, WHICH SEEMS DOABLE. THE CALLER RAILSED AN INTERESTING... |
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LET ME READ A COUPLE STATISTICS FROM THE LATEST EDITION OF "MOTHER JONES" CALLED "HOUSE OF CARDS."... |
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TRUE AND THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES, WHICH ARE HUGE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS ACROSS THE AISLE, HAVE REALLY... |
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YOU SAY NEARLY A THIRD OF BANKRUPTCY FILERS OWE AN ENTIRE YEAR'S SALARY ON THEIR CREDIT CARDS. IF... |
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RIGHT. |
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THAT'S THE AMOUNT THEY OWE THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES, HOW DO THEY LET THAT HAPPEN? |
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PART OF IT IS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE BEING PITCHED ON BY CREDIT CARD COMPANIES... |
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READ THIS IN THE LATEST EDITION OF "MOTHER JONES." NEXT CALL IS FALLS CHURCH, VIRGINIA, GOOD MORNING,... |
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GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE YOU. THERE ARE PROBABLY QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON, BUT... |
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I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PRACTICAL, BUT I WILL SAY ABOUT THE DRUG WAR THAT WE DON'T PURSUE... |
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NEXT CALLER, EUREKA, CALIFORNIA, DEMOCRATS' LINE. |
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HI, MY NAME'S MARK. I'M FROM EUREKA, AND I REALLY ENJOY WATCHING C-SPAN. AND I'M KIND OF NERVOUS BECAUSE... |
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DON'T BE NERVOUS. GO AHEAD WITH YOUR COMMENT OR QUESTION. |
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YOU'RE UP EARLY, MARK. |
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I THINK MOTHER EARTH IS A GREAT FORUM FOR EVERYBODY, AND -- |
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"MOTHER JONES." WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING G AHEAD. |
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I THINK "MOTHER JONES" IS REALLY GREAT FOR THE PEOPLE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHAT SHE THINKS OF... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. |
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YEAH. A RON PAUL/KUCINICH TICKET WOULD CERTAINLY LIGHT UP THE INTERNET. I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY ARE... |
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DO YOU THINK THAT HOWARD DEAN WAS THE FIRST NATIONAL CANDIDATE TO TAP INTO THE INTERNET AS A WAY TO... |
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ABSOLUTELY. HOWARD DEAN AND SHOBY WHO DID HIS INTERNET OUTREACH SAW THIS AHEAD OF ANYONE ELSE. WHAT'S... |
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JOE TRIPPI NOW WORKING FOR JOHN EDWARDS. HILLARY CLINTON WHO ANNOUNCED HER CANDIDACY ONLINE. BARACK... |
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SO FAR THE DEMOCRATS ARE REALLY AHEAD THE REPUBLICANS. I THINK IN A WAY, BECAUSE ROVE RAN SUCH A TOP-DOWN... |
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"THE WASHINGTON POST" CALLS MICHAEL DEAVER AS SOMEONE WHO CHANGED AMERICAN POLITICS, DESCRIBED IN... |
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RIGHT, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S STILL IMPORTANT FOR CANDIDATES TO GO IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA AND DO WELL.... |
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NEXT CALL FROM REDMOND, OREGON, GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING MR. CARNEY. GOOD MORNING MS. JEFFREY. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU. DID... |
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WE DO INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM. WE HAVE AN EXPRESSIVE TRADITION AND SORT OF PROGRESSIVE MIND-SET BUT... |
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YOU WOULD ADMIT THAT YOU DO HAVE A TENDENCY TO BE A BIT ON THE LIBERAL SIDE? |
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WELL, SOMETIMES, NOT ALWAYS. I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN. AS I SAID, WE ARE INSPIRED BY PROFESSIONAL... |
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NEXT CALL, MINNEAPOLIS, GOOD MORNING. |
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HI, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. I FIRST HAVE A COMMENT REALLY QUICKLY. WHY IS IT THAT ANY TIME THE SITUATION... |
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YEAH, I'VE READ REPORTS OF THAT, AND THEN I'VE ALSO SEEN THOSE REPORTS DEBUNKED. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS... |
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ANOTHER PIECE FROM THE JULY/AUGUST EDITION, TALKS TO ME LIKE MY FATHER, THIS PHOTOGRAPH OF AN 11-YEAR-OLD... |
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THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S A REAL PROBLEM FOR OUR ARMY, FOR OUR ALLIED ARMIES BOTH IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.... |
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32 ACTIVE U.S. MILITARY DOCTORS FOR 25,000 SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN? |
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YES. SO THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A WORSE RATIO THAN THE WORST HMO HAS ESSENTIALLY AND THESE ARE GUYS... |
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NEXT CALL FROM NEWBURN, NORTH CAROLINA, GOOD MORNING. |
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THANK YOU MY FRIEND. YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LIKE WHAT I HEAR WHEY HAVE TO SAY. I AM A REPUBLICAN.... |
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GO AHEAD. |
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I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING THAT MUCH ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH. WE DID CHECK OUR FACTS. THE ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN... |
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E-MAIL FROM CHRIS CASSENBAUC WITH ALL DUE RESPECT YOUR GUEST TODAY IS A LEFT LEANER WHO PRESENTS NO... |
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I'M SURE SOMEONE WILL COME ON AFTER ME WITH A VIEW MORE AMENABLE TO WHOEVER JUST E-MAILED, BUT YOU... |
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IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES TIM CARNEY WILL JOIN US "THE BIG RIPOFF, HOW BIG BUSINESS AND BIG GOVERNMENT... |
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LIBERTARIANS LIKE PROGRESSIVES, RUN A REAL GAMUT. I THINK MOST ESSENTIALLY PROGRESSIVES TEND TO BELIEVE... |
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SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, YOU'RE NEXT. GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING. ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ABOUT THE DRUG ISSUES IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYONE... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. |
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IT'S TRUE. A LOT OF THE DRUG ABUSE COMES DOWN TO SORT OF SELF-MEDICATING FOR VARIOUS ISSUES, WHETHER... |
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ATLANTA, YOU'RE NEXT. |
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THIS IS JIM. FIRST A COMMENT. ANY TIME ANY ADMINISTRATION TACKS ON THE PHRASE IN THE PRECURSOR, "WAR... |
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THANK YOU. |
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WHAT'S INTERESTING, THE SO-CALLED MILLENIALS, THE GENERATION BELOW GENERATION X, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE... |
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ARC SARK OUR NEXT CALLER ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. GOOD MORNING. |
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VERY APPARENTLY YOU JUST HATE THOSE CORPORATIONS SO BAD. YOU WOULD LIKE TO SELL YOUR MAGAZINE, AND... |
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WELL, I GUESS TO THE QUESTION OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK IT'S A MIX. I THINK THAT PEOPLE DO... |
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CALLER, JUST OVER A NICKEL PER MONTH PER SUBSKRISH HE. WE DON'T ACCEPT A DIME OF GOVERNMENT DOLLARS... |
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FOR EDWARDS, HE HAS TO WIN IN IOWA. IF HE DOESN'T, IF HE CAN'T PULL IT OUT, AFTER HE'S REALLY INVESTED... |
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CLARA JEFFREY, COEDITOR OF "MOTHER JONES." THE WEBSITE IS MOTHERJONES.COM. WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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COME BACK AGAIN. |
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THANK YOU. |
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WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND WHEN WE COME BACK ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW, JOINED BY TIM CAR KNOW... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.