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TIME	SPEAKER	TEXT
00:00:08	Host	WE WANT TO WELCOME CLAIRE JEFFRIES, THE COEDITOR OF "MOTHER JONES" MAGAZINE BASED IN SAN FRANCISCO...
00:00:19	Guest	THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
00:00:23	Host	JULY-AUGUST EDITION OF "MOTHER JONES" POLITICS 2.0 SMACKDOWN ON THE COVER. KRAR I WANT TO READ A LITTLE...
00:01:25	Guest	ANOTHER CONTINUATION OF THE U.S. ATTORNEY STORY. HE POLITICIZED OPERATIONS FROM BEGINNING TO END AND...
00:01:57	Host	WE HEARD THE PHRASE, PERMANENT CAMPAIGN IN THE CLINTON WHITE HOUSE, BUT BASED ON WHAT "THE WASHINGTON...
00:02:11	Guest	WELL IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON WITH THE SORT OF SHIFT IN THE ...
00:02:43	Host	YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT N THIS EDITION, 2006 ELECTION CYCLE MOVEON.ORG WAS ABLE TO RAISE ALMOST $1...
00:03:15	Guest	THERE ARE A COUPLE OF NEW INNOVATIONS. THE ONLINE CLEARING OF DEBATE HAS PROVED TO BE EFFECTIVE. ...
00:04:04	Host	YOU LOOK AT THE RECENT COVERAGE OF "MOTHER JONES" WITH MARY HARRIS JONES.
00:04:11	Guest	MARY HARRIS JONES WAS A WONDERFUL CHARACTER. SHE HAD LOST HER HUSBAND AND I THINK FOUR CHILDREN TO...
00:04:47	Host	HOW DID THIS PUBLICATION COME ABOUT?
00:04:50	Guest	THIS PUBLICATION WAS STARTED IN 1976 WITH THE IDEA OF MAKING A FLASH IN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM,...
00:05:15	Host	OUR PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR CLARA JEFFREY. REPUBLICAN, 202-737-001. IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, 202-737-0002...
00:05:36	Caller	GOOD MORNING. FOR MISS JEFFREY, HAVE YOU EVER IN YOUR LIFE -- HOW MANY YEARS DO YOU HAVE AS A JOURNALIST?...
00:05:46	Guest	HOW MANY YEARS DO I HAVE AS A JOURNALIST? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 20.
00:05:50	Caller	ABOUT 20. WELL, I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN OUR COUNTRY IN THE STATE...
00:06:00	Guest	I WOULD HAVE TO SAY NO. I MEAN, THE COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE WAR, AS STEVE WAS...
00:06:36	Host	HILLARY, WHAT IS THE BASIS OF THIS PIECE?
00:06:40	Guest	THIS PIECE IS ABOUT, EXAMINES HILLARY'S RELIGIOUS CONVICTION WHICH SOME HAVE SAID IS JUST SORT OF...
00:07:50	Host	THE PIECE POINTS OUT YOU MENTIONED SENATOR BROWNBACK AND FORMER SENATOR SANTORUM. THE GOAL IS A LEADERSHIP...
00:08:18	Guest	THAT'S RIGHT. THEY FEEL THEY'RE BEING MOVED TO USE THE GOVERNMENT TOWARDS, TO, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY...
00:08:52	Host	I THOUGHT SHE JOINED THE FELLOWSHIP WHEN SHE CAME TO THE U.S. SENATE. YOU REPORTED SHE JOINED WHEN...
00:09:02	Guest	WHEN SHE WAS A TEENAGER IN ILLINOIS SHE TOOK PART IN VARIOUS MINISTRIES THAT WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE....
00:09:23	Host	RELIGION HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE IN POLITICS, GOING BACK WITH JOHN KENNEDY AND JOE LIEBERMAN, AND...
00:09:34	Guest	IT'S HARD TO KNOW HOW MITT ROMNEY AS A MORMON WILL PLAY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO A REPORTER...
00:10:15	Host	I WANT TO GO BACK, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS PICTURE? AL FRANK.
00:10:23	Guest	RUNNING FOR SENATE IN MINNESOTA AND WHO WAS MADE MANY A JOKE ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH'S "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"...
00:10:42	Host	DO YOU THINK CAN HE WIN IN MINNESOTA?
00:10:45	Guest	HE'S DOING AN INTERESTING JOB THERE. HE'S BEEN OUT POUNDING THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL FOR 20 MONTHS NOW ...
00:11:30	Host	THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT WELL FOR OUR RADIO AUDIENCE. WE'RE TALKING WITH CLARA JEFFREY, COEDITOR...
00:11:42	Caller	HI, HOW ARE YOU DOING?
00:11:44	Host	FINE, THANK YOU.
00:11:45	Caller	I WAS WONDERING THE GUEST THOUGHTS ON THE FIRST QUESTION OF THE DAY, THE DRUG WAR. WHO WHOSE INTEREST...
00:12:06	Guest	I'M SURE DENNIS KUCINICH AND SOME OF THE MORE FRENCH CANDIDATES HAVE MADE AND DISCUSSED ENDING PROHIBITION...
00:13:33	Host	GATEWAY DRUG TO WHAT?
00:13:35	Guest	DORITOS.
00:13:36	Host	LIKE THE CHIP?
00:13:37	Guest	YES. EVERYONE SAYS IF YOU SMOKE MARIJUANA YOU'LL START DOING COCAINE AND BE ON HEROIN. THERE'S REALLY...
00:13:52	Host	WE'VE BEEN READING EX-ERMTS FROM NICEA GLENNIE'S ARTICLE IN "THE WASHINGTON POST." THE COLLAPSE OF...
00:14:29	Guest	THAT'S RIGHT. THE TALIBAN AND PROBABLY AL QAEDA IS BEING LARGELY FINANCED BY THE OPIUM TRADE. THEY'RE...
00:15:08	Host	ALABAMA IS NEXT FOR CLARA JEFFREY, GOOD MORNING, THANKS FOR WAITING ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE.
00:15:15	Caller	HAPPY TO DO THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE QUESTION IS, PERSONAL QUESTIONS RELATIVE FOR OUR GUEST TODAY,...
00:15:31	Guest	NO.
00:15:33	Caller	HAVE YOU EVER SMOKED
00:15:34	Guest	YES.
00:15:35	Caller	YOU'RE NOT WHAT I CALL AN OBJECTIVE PERSON OF THIS.
00:15:39	Guest	I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU ON THAT. I AM BEA TO TURN 40 AND I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBER IS,...
00:15:52	Caller	I HAVE DRANK ALCOHOL. ALCOHOL IS NOT ILLEGAL.
00:15:55	Guest	IT IS NOT ILLEGAL BUT IT USED TO BE.
00:15:57	Caller	YEAH BUT I'M NOT QUITE THAT OLD. I'M OLD BUT NOT QUITE THAT OLD, YOUNG LADY. LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER...
00:16:11	Guest	CERTAINLY THE WORST SHAPE IN MY LIFETIME.
00:16:13	Guest	IN YOUR LIFETIME. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE LOW UNEMPLOYMENT RATE? HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN HOME OWNERSHIP...
00:16:26	Guest	WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE HOME OWNERSHIP PLUMMET QUITE A BIT. THE SUBPRIME MORTGAGES CRISIS THAT'S GOING...
00:17:07	Host	ANOTHER ARTICLE, CLIMATE CHANGE MELTS THE PERMA FROST, ARCTIC VILLAGES SLIP INTO THE SEA, TAKING A...
00:17:24	Guest	HE'S THE PHOTOGRAPHER AND JULIO WHITER IS THE WRITER.
00:17:29	Host	THIS IS A SCENE FROM THE NORTH COAST OF ALASKA. THE MESSAGE IS WHAT?
00:17:35	Guest	THE PERMAFROST IS MELTING DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE. WHEN PERMAFROST MELTS THE ICE IS WHAT'S LITERALLY...
00:18:10	Host	IN SOME DEMOCRATIC CIRCLES THOSE WHO SUPPORT AL GORE SAY THIS SNT IS HIS ISSUE. WHY DOESN'T HE RUN...
00:18:23	Guest	I THINK HE DOESN'T RUN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IN PART HE CAN BE A REAL AMBASSADOR ON THIS ISSUE...
00:18:56	Host	NEXT CALL, HOP KINSVILLE, KENTUCKY, DEMOCRATS LINE FOR CLARA JEFFREY. GOOD MORNING.
00:19:03	Caller	GOOD MORNING.
00:19:05	Host	GO AHEAD CALLER.
00:19:07	Caller	I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR "MOTHER JONES." I'VE BEEN A LONG TIME READER, PROBABLY SINCE IT'S BEEN IN...
00:19:14	Guest	THANK YOU.
00:19:16	Caller	A HUMOROUS STORY, MY FATHER, WHO IS NOW DEAD, WHEN I FIRST CAME OUT AND I STARTED READING IT, I THOUGHT...
00:19:51	Guest	THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED BY WHAT WE DO. THEY THINK...
00:20:27	Host	LOCATED NEAR THE NATIONAL PRESS PROXIMATE BOX?
00:20:31	Guest	NEAR THE NATIONAL
00:20:32	Host	HOW MANY READ "MOTHER JONES"?
00:20:37	Guest	231,000, A LITTLE ABOVE "HARPER" FOUR TIMES THE SIZE OF "THE NEW REPUBLIC."
00:20:44	Host	MOTHERJONES.COM AND LINK TO WWW.C-SPAN.ORG. "GAY BY CHOICE. CAN HOMOSEXUALITY STILL BE A PROTECTED...
00:20:57	Guest	VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE. AND INTERESTING FOR US TO BE THE ONES TO RAISE IT. GARY GREENBERG, PSYCHOLOGIST...
00:21:55	Host	THE DEBATE WE SAW EARLIER THIS MONTH IN LOS ANGELES, ORGANIZED BY LOGO TV ASKED THE QUESTION OF CIVIL...
00:22:06	Guest	RIGHT.
00:22:07	Host	HOW DO YOU DEFINE -- IS THERE REALLY A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR MIND? WHEN IT COMES TO THE RIGHTS OF GAY...
00:22:14	Guest	I THINK GAY COUPLES SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT SO IF THEY WANT TO GET MARRIED, YOU KNOW,...
00:22:38	Host	WHEN YOU SEE THIS QUESTION "GAY BY CHOICE" HOW DOES THAT --
00:22:44	Guest	THIS IS MORE INTERESTING, BECAUSE IN PART BECAUSE THE GAY RIGHTS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ARGUING THAT GAYNESS...
00:23:25	Host	CLARA JEFFREY, GREW UP IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, GRADUATE OF NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY, WHERE SHE EARNED...
00:23:39	Guest	FIVE YEARS.
00:23:40	Caller	GOOD MORNING. YOUR GUEST MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO THIS WAS THE WORST MESS WE'VE BEEN IN AND A CALLER...
00:24:20	Guest	CALLER, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU TRAFFIC AS WELL. I THINK THE EROSION OF CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE STANDING...
00:24:58	Host	ARLINGTON, TEXAS, GOOD MORNING.
00:24:59	Caller	GOOD MORNING STEVE AND CLARA. IT'S A PERFECT TIME FOR ME TO CALL. DON'T WORRY ABOUT THESE RIGHT-WING...
00:25:46	Host	CALLER, WE'VE HAD THAT SENTIMENT BEFORE, SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF HE IS IMPEACHED, DICK CHENEY BECOMES...
00:25:56	Caller	BOTH OF THEM. IMPEACH DOWN THE LINE. YOU CAN IMPEACH A SENATOR. YOU CAN IMPEACH A HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE....
00:26:06	Host	THANK YOU.
00:26:09	Guest	WELL I THINK THE FIRST STORY IS ALBERTO GONZALEZ, WHICH SEEMS DOABLE. THE CALLER RAILSED AN INTERESTING...
00:26:45	Host	LET ME READ A COUPLE STATISTICS FROM THE LATEST EDITION OF "MOTHER JONES" CALLED "HOUSE OF CARDS."...
00:27:49	Guest	TRUE AND THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES, WHICH ARE HUGE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS ACROSS THE AISLE, HAVE REALLY...
00:28:42	Host	YOU SAY NEARLY A THIRD OF BANKRUPTCY FILERS OWE AN ENTIRE YEAR'S SALARY ON THEIR CREDIT CARDS. IF...
00:28:52	Guest	RIGHT.
00:28:53	Host	THAT'S THE AMOUNT THEY OWE THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES, HOW DO THEY LET THAT HAPPEN?
00:28:59	Guest	PART OF IT IS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE BEING PITCHED ON BY CREDIT CARD COMPANIES...
00:29:31	Host	READ THIS IN THE LATEST EDITION OF "MOTHER JONES." NEXT CALL IS FALLS CHURCH, VIRGINIA, GOOD MORNING,...
00:29:39	Caller	GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE YOU. THERE ARE PROBABLY QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON, BUT...
00:30:54	Guest	I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PRACTICAL, BUT I WILL SAY ABOUT THE DRUG WAR THAT WE DON'T PURSUE...
00:32:01	Host	NEXT CALLER, EUREKA, CALIFORNIA, DEMOCRATS' LINE.
00:32:05	Caller	HI, MY NAME'S MARK. I'M FROM EUREKA, AND I REALLY ENJOY WATCHING C-SPAN. AND I'M KIND OF NERVOUS BECAUSE...
00:32:17	Guest	DON'T BE NERVOUS. GO AHEAD WITH YOUR COMMENT OR QUESTION.
00:32:21	Guest	YOU'RE UP EARLY, MARK.
00:32:23	Caller	I THINK MOTHER EARTH IS A GREAT FORUM FOR EVERYBODY, AND --
00:32:30	Host	"MOTHER JONES." WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING G AHEAD.
00:32:33	Caller	I THINK "MOTHER JONES" IS REALLY GREAT FOR THE PEOPLE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHAT SHE THINKS OF...
00:33:27	Host	THANK YOU, CALLER.
00:33:28	Guest	YEAH. A RON PAUL/KUCINICH TICKET WOULD CERTAINLY LIGHT UP THE INTERNET. I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY ARE...
00:34:16	Host	DO YOU THINK THAT HOWARD DEAN WAS THE FIRST NATIONAL CANDIDATE TO TAP INTO THE INTERNET AS A WAY TO...
00:34:27	Guest	ABSOLUTELY. HOWARD DEAN AND SHOBY WHO DID HIS INTERNET OUTREACH SAW THIS AHEAD OF ANYONE ELSE. WHAT'S...
00:35:32	Host	JOE TRIPPI NOW WORKING FOR JOHN EDWARDS. HILLARY CLINTON WHO ANNOUNCED HER CANDIDACY ONLINE. BARACK...
00:35:47	Guest	SO FAR THE DEMOCRATS ARE REALLY AHEAD THE REPUBLICANS. I THINK IN A WAY, BECAUSE ROVE RAN SUCH A TOP-DOWN...
00:36:47	Host	"THE WASHINGTON POST" CALLS MICHAEL DEAVER AS SOMEONE WHO CHANGED AMERICAN POLITICS, DESCRIBED IN...
00:37:03	Guest	RIGHT, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S STILL IMPORTANT FOR CANDIDATES TO GO IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA AND DO WELL....
00:37:53	Host	NEXT CALL FROM REDMOND, OREGON, GOOD MORNING.
00:37:57	Caller	GOOD MORNING MR. CARNEY. GOOD MORNING MS. JEFFREY. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU. DID...
00:38:12	Guest	WE DO INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM. WE HAVE AN EXPRESSIVE TRADITION AND SORT OF PROGRESSIVE MIND-SET BUT...
00:38:36	Caller	YOU WOULD ADMIT THAT YOU DO HAVE A TENDENCY TO BE A BIT ON THE LIBERAL SIDE?
00:38:43	Guest	WELL, SOMETIMES, NOT ALWAYS. I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN. AS I SAID, WE ARE INSPIRED BY PROFESSIONAL...
00:39:08	Host	NEXT CALL, MINNEAPOLIS, GOOD MORNING.
00:39:12	Caller	HI, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. I FIRST HAVE A COMMENT REALLY QUICKLY. WHY IS IT THAT ANY TIME THE SITUATION...
00:40:22	Guest	YEAH, I'VE READ REPORTS OF THAT, AND THEN I'VE ALSO SEEN THOSE REPORTS DEBUNKED. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS...
00:41:49	Host	ANOTHER PIECE FROM THE JULY/AUGUST EDITION, TALKS TO ME LIKE MY FATHER, THIS PHOTOGRAPH OF AN 11-YEAR-OLD...
00:42:36	Guest	THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S A REAL PROBLEM FOR OUR ARMY, FOR OUR ALLIED ARMIES BOTH IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN....
00:43:05	Host	32 ACTIVE U.S. MILITARY DOCTORS FOR 25,000 SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN?
00:43:10	Guest	YES. SO THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A WORSE RATIO THAN THE WORST HMO HAS ESSENTIALLY AND THESE ARE GUYS...
00:43:47	Host	NEXT CALL FROM NEWBURN, NORTH CAROLINA, GOOD MORNING.
00:43:50	Caller	THANK YOU MY FRIEND. YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LIKE WHAT I HEAR WHEY HAVE TO SAY. I AM A REPUBLICAN....
00:45:02	Host	GO AHEAD.
00:45:04	Guest	I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING THAT MUCH ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH. WE DID CHECK OUR FACTS. THE ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN...
00:45:54	Host	E-MAIL FROM CHRIS CASSENBAUC WITH ALL DUE RESPECT YOUR GUEST TODAY IS A LEFT LEANER WHO PRESENTS NO...
00:46:30	Guest	I'M SURE SOMEONE WILL COME ON AFTER ME WITH A VIEW MORE AMENABLE TO WHOEVER JUST E-MAILED, BUT YOU...
00:47:05	Host	IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES TIM CARNEY WILL JOIN US "THE BIG RIPOFF, HOW BIG BUSINESS AND BIG GOVERNMENT...
00:47:58	Guest	LIBERTARIANS LIKE PROGRESSIVES, RUN A REAL GAMUT. I THINK MOST ESSENTIALLY PROGRESSIVES TEND TO BELIEVE...
00:48:37	Host	SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, YOU'RE NEXT. GOOD MORNING.
00:48:39	Caller	GOOD MORNING. ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ABOUT THE DRUG ISSUES IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYONE...
00:49:43	Host	THANK YOU, CALLER.
00:49:44	Guest	IT'S TRUE. A LOT OF THE DRUG ABUSE COMES DOWN TO SORT OF SELF-MEDICATING FOR VARIOUS ISSUES, WHETHER...
00:50:37	Host	ATLANTA, YOU'RE NEXT.
00:50:40	Caller	THIS IS JIM. FIRST A COMMENT. ANY TIME ANY ADMINISTRATION TACKS ON THE PHRASE IN THE PRECURSOR, "WAR...
00:51:32	Host	THANK YOU.
00:51:33	Guest	WHAT'S INTERESTING, THE SO-CALLED MILLENIALS, THE GENERATION BELOW GENERATION X, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE...
00:52:35	Host	ARC SARK OUR NEXT CALLER ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. GOOD MORNING.
00:52:38	Caller	VERY APPARENTLY YOU JUST HATE THOSE CORPORATIONS SO BAD. YOU WOULD LIKE TO SELL YOUR MAGAZINE, AND...
00:54:13	Guest	WELL, I GUESS TO THE QUESTION OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK IT'S A MIX. I THINK THAT PEOPLE DO...
00:55:30	Host	CALLER, JUST OVER A NICKEL PER MONTH PER SUBSKRISH HE. WE DON'T ACCEPT A DIME OF GOVERNMENT DOLLARS...
00:56:04	Guest	FOR EDWARDS, HE HAS TO WIN IN IOWA. IF HE DOESN'T, IF HE CAN'T PULL IT OUT, AFTER HE'S REALLY INVESTED...
00:57:21	Host	CLARA JEFFREY, COEDITOR OF "MOTHER JONES." THE WEBSITE IS MOTHERJONES.COM. WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING...
00:57:28	Guest	THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:57:29	Host	COME BACK AGAIN.
00:57:30	Guest	THANK YOU.
00:57:31	Host	WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND WHEN WE COME BACK ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW, JOINED BY TIM CAR KNOW...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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