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WE WANT TO WELCOME JOHN MUELLER, THE AUTHOR OF THIS BOOK "OVERBLOWN, HOW POLITICSITIONS AND TERRORISM... |
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YES. |
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EXPLAIN. |
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INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM IS QUITE LIMITED SINCE 9/11, MAYBE 200 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED BY AL QAEDA... |
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YOU PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE OF THE COLD WAR. THROUGHOUT THE COLD WAR, THE U.S. AND SOMETIMES ITS ALLIES... |
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YES. NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS SINCE WORLD WAR II, NOW THE COLD WAR IS OVER, WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK... |
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HOMELAND SECRETARY TOM RIDGE'S COLOR CODED SYSTEM. |
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NOT MY IDEA. BUT IT MAKES FOR A SNAPPY COVER. |
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IS IT EFFECTIVE? NOT THE COVER, BUT THE COLOR CODE SYSTEM. |
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I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ANY GREAT OBJECTION TO IT BASICALLY. IF THREAT LEVELS GO UP OR DOWN, IT'S... |
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JOHN MUELLER. AUTHOR OF "OVERBLOWN." C-SPAN.ORG. BBC PARLIAMENT CHANNEL AND ELSEWHERE AROUND THE... |
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THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS OUT THERE WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR, HURRICANES AND EVERYTHING. GIVEN... |
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THE TSA, AFTERMATH OF 9/11, ORGANIZING A FEDERAL AGENCY THAT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF SECURITY OF THE... |
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IT'S NOT CLEAR. IT IS REALLY THE CASE, PEOPLE WOULD BE AFRAID TO FLY. IF IT WENT THROUGH THAT RITUAL,... |
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HOW DO YOU STRIKE A BALANCE? |
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A CAREFUL COST ANALYSIS. THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY HAS EXPERIMENTED A LITTLE BIT WITH AIRLINES... |
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THE TERROR THREAT WAS REDUCED IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU WRITE ON PAGE 161, REMEMBERING FALSE ALARMS.... |
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THIS IS SOMEWHAT LIGHT HEARTED IN SOME RESPECTS. IF PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY TOLD THERE'S A WOLF AROUND... |
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OUR GUEST, JOHN MUELLER OUT WITH HIS NEW BOOK, OUT ON STANDS NOW "OVERBLOWN, HOW POLITICIANS AND THE... |
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MR. MUELLER, GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING. |
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COULD YOU DISCUSS MID WESTERN PROFESSORS, DISCUSSING THE TOWERS FALLING DOWN AND TAKEN THAT OUT OF... |
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I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE TOWER THING, WHY THEY FELL AND SO FORTH. I DON'T... |
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CONSPIRACY THEERISTS BELIEVE THE U.S. MAY HAVE HAD A ROLE IN THE DOWNING OF THE TWO TOWERS. |
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I'VE HEARD THAT RUMOR AND SO FORTH, CONSPIRACY THEORY AND THINK IT'S EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. THAT'S A... |
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KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING. TERRORISTS HIT THE JACK POT THAT MORNING. 11 GUYS TOOK OVER THREE PLANES WHICH WAS... |
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THANK YOU. |
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YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CERTAIN WALL OWING IN WORST CASE SCENARIOS, NO EVIDENCE THAT AL QAEDA HAS REMOTE... |
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THEN DAYS AGO, WE COMMEMORATED THE 60th ANNIVERSARY OF PEARL HARBOR. YOU WRITE ABOUT THAT IN YOUR... |
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IN THE CASE OF PEARL HARBOR, UNITED STATES WAS ATTACKED BY A COUNTRY WITH REMOTE RETURN ADDRESS AND... |
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IS THAT WHY YOU SAY THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR WAS MORE OF AN INFLEENS THAN A CATASTROPHE FOR THE... |
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YES, OKLAHOMA AND ARIZONA, PLUS TARGET SHIP, UTAH. MUCH OF THAT EQUIPMENT WAS EXTREMELY OLD. SOME... |
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GOOD MORNING. SPEAKING OF JAPANESE, WERE YOU AWARE THEY HAD A NUCLEAR BOMB THAT HE HAD ALREADY TESTED... |
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WE'LL GET A RESPONSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALL. |
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CLINTON DID, AFTER THE EMBASSY BOMBINGS, OF COURSE, ATTACK BOTH SUDAN AND AFGHANISTAN. I AGREE WITH... |
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OUR NEXT CALL FROM VIRGINIA. GOOD MORNING. |
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GOOD MORNING. GENTLEMEN, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO READING YOUR BOOK, DR. MUELLER. I GUESS I HAVE A... |
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WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON YOUR SECOND POINT. JOHN MUELLER? |
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I AGREE BASICALLY ABOUT CALLING IT A WAR. IT'S LIKE HAVING A WAR ON AMPHIBIOUS LANDINGS OR SOMETHING... |
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ALEX ANDREA, VIRGINA, LET'S FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR SECOND POINT. |
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ON THE WAR ON TERROR, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH I'VE SEEN NUMBERS RAGING FROM 500 TO $800 BILLION SINCE... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. LET ME GIVE YOU THIS SIMILAR POINT. PLEASE COMMENT ON THE FOLLOWING ASSERTION.... |
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I HEARD THAT. THEY PLAY TO TERRORISM, IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD IDEA. IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE POLITICIANS... |
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AND THE COMMENT ABOUT THE DONKY? |
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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DONKY THING, BUT IT IS BASICALLY A POLICING MATTER. GENERALLY, THAT'S WORKED... |
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SUNDAY AFTERNOON IN GREAT BRITAIN. WE WELCOME OUR VIEWERS ON BBC'S PARLIAMENT CHANNEL. LONDON IS NEXT.... |
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GOOD MORNING. |
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WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOUR GUEST, I THINK HE IS A LITTLE BIT NAIVE WITH RESPECT TO AL QAEDA, BECAUSE,... |
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WORLD WAR III IMAGERY IS ONE, OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT VERY FAVORABLE TOWARDS. THAT BASICALLY MAKES A COMBAT... |
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FROM CONNECTICUT WHO SAYS WASN'T BIN LADEN'S AIM TO RUIN THE ECONOMY OF THE U.S.? LOOK AT THE MONEY... |
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BIN LADEN SAID THIS IN 2004 IN ONE OF HIS INCYCLICALS. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BANKRUPT THE UNITED STATES.... |
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JOHN MUELLER IS AN AUTHOR AND TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS AT OHIO STATE,... |
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GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MR. MUELLER. |
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GOOD MORNING. |
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I'M REALLY DISTURBED AAT SOME OF THE THINGS COMING FROM YOU. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT... |
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LET ME REASSURE YOU, IT'S MOSTLY BEING TAUGHT AS THE HYSTERIA I'M ARGUING AGAINST. THE ATTACKS IN... |
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THERE'S THIS ALSO FROM THE BOOK "OVERBLOWN," COSTLY GOVERNMENTAL ENTERPRISE, FEARS SWEPT INTO BEING... |
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THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. |
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GOOD MORNING. |
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I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IN THE '90s OORXY REMEMBER HOME-GROWN TERRORISTS THAT WERE BOMBING -- FROM... |
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IT DEALS WITH THREAT INFLATION. ONE POSSIBILITY IS THAT THEY DON'T EXIST. WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER THAT... |
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REPUBLICAN LINE, MINNESOTA, GOOD MORNING. |
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YES. A FEW CALLS BACK HAD THE SAME IDEA I WAS THINKING ABOUT. WHEN THEY CAME OVER HERE AND BOMBED... |
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A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THIS, THAT THE WAR IN IRAQ FALLS INTO AL QAEDA'S HANDS GIVING THEM TARGETS... |
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ON FRIDAY, ANNOUNCEMENT OF HEIGHTENED RAIL SECURITY. DO YOU THINK IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE? |
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IN TERMS OF MONEY. WE TALKED ABOUT THE AIRLINE SECURITY THING. THEY GET -- F IT'S VERY HARD FROM... |
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WE TRY. |
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YES. NONETHELESS, YOU CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENING. AND THEN THE CONSEQUENCES, THE NFL STADIUMS... |
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OUR GUEST, "OVERBLOWN HOW POLITICIANS AND THE TERRORISM INDUSTRY INFLATE NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS... |
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THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE DOING SUCH A FANTASTIC SERVICE TO HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE IDEA OF... |
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A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS. I DO WANT TO STRESS, I DON'T THINK THE POLITICIANS ARE CREATE THE FEAR, BUT... |
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BY THE WAY, IN THIS WEEK'S EDITION, QC'S ANNUAL REPORT ON CONGRESS, POINTING OUT BEFORE THE NOVEMBER... |
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GOOD MORNING. INTERESTING CONVERSATION. I'M NOT SURE ON WHICH SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM YOU COME... |
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I'M A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT. VERY CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE, LIBERTARIANS AS WELL THAT SUPPORT THIS POSITION,... |
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ST. THOMAS, U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS, GOOD MORNING FOR JOHN MUELLER. |
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THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL. A GOOD DOCUMENTARY CALLED WHY WE FIGHT. WHEN EISENHOWER LEFT OFFICE, HE... |
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YEAH. I KNOW THAT DOCUMENTARY, AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT IT, IT WASN'T VERY CONSPIRATORIAL. WHAT... |
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PENNSYLVANIA, GOOD MORNING. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GLAD TO BE ON. |
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SURE. |
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MANY COMPANIES ARE MAKING LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY BY SUPPLYING. HOW MUCH IS THE WAR EFFORT BENEFITING... |
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YOU MEAN THE WAR IN IRAQ? |
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THAT'S CORRECT, THE WAR IN IRAQ. |
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WELL, THE BEST ESTIMATES BY ECONOMISTS ARE HOW MUCH THIS WAR IS GOING TO COST. LOW ESTIMATES ARE LIKE... |
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ONE OF MANY CONCLUSIONS BY OUR GUEST, INCLUDING ONE THAT SAYS WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM THE HYSTERIA.... |
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YES, QOOD GOOD MORNING. MR. MUELLER? |
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YES, SIR. |
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YOU BRING A LOT OF SENSE TO THIS SUBJECT, BUT YOU SEEM RATHER DISMISSIVE OF STATES-SPONSORED TERRORISM.... |
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LET ME JUST SAY, GENERALLY, ABOUT STATE-SPONSORED TERRORISM, SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES ARE QUESTIONABLE.... |
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FLORIDA, GOOD MORNING. |
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HELLO. I'M ABOUT TO DELIVER THE LINCHING YOU WERE EXPECTING, SIR. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN.... |
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THANK YOU. LET'S GET ONE MORE CALL ON THE TABLE AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUMMARIZE AND RESPOND.... |
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GOOD MORNING AMERICAN C-SPAN VIEWERS. AFTER FALLING THIS LAST CALLER, MY EXPERIENCE OF 9/11. I WAS... |
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THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. TWO POINTS? |
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I'M MORE SURE ABOUT EVERYTHING THAN I AM ABOUT ANYTHING -- PARTICULARLY, THE FIRST POINT, THE CERTAINTY... |
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"OVERBLOWN," OUR GUEST IS JOHN MUELLER. HIS WORKS CAN BE SEEN IN SIMON AND SCHUESTER PUBLICATION.... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
