Overblown

Dec 17, 2006

C-SPAN | Washington Journal

The guest talked about his book, Overblown: How Politicians and the Terrorism Industry Inflate National Security Threats, and Why We Believe Them, published by The Free Press. He said there is no "serious" domestic al Qaeda threat and that the U.S. has exaggerated the threat of terrorist attacks. He responded to telephone calls and .. Read More
The guest talked about his book, Overblown: How Politicians and the Terrorism Industry Inflate National Security Threats, and Why We Believe Them, published by The Free Press. He said there is no "serious" domestic al Qaeda threat and that the U.S. has exaggerated the threat of terrorist attacks. He responded to telephone calls and electronic mail.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:15 Host WE WANT TO WELCOME JOHN MUELLER, THE AUTHOR OF THIS BOOK "OVERBLOWN, HOW POLITICSITIONS AND TERRORISM...
00:00:32 Unidentified Speaker YES.
00:00:33 Host EXPLAIN.
00:00:35 Guest INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM IS QUITE LIMITED SINCE 9/11, MAYBE 200 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED BY AL QAEDA...
00:01:15 Unidentified Speaker YOU PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE OF THE COLD WAR. THROUGHOUT THE COLD WAR, THE U.S. AND SOMETIMES ITS ALLIES...
00:01:40 Guest YES. NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS SINCE WORLD WAR II, NOW THE COLD WAR IS OVER, WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK...
00:02:26 Host HOMELAND SECRETARY TOM RIDGE'S COLOR CODED SYSTEM.
00:02:30 Guest NOT MY IDEA. BUT IT MAKES FOR A SNAPPY COVER.
00:02:35 Host IS IT EFFECTIVE? NOT THE COVER, BUT THE COLOR CODE SYSTEM.
00:02:39 Guest I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ANY GREAT OBJECTION TO IT BASICALLY. IF THREAT LEVELS GO UP OR DOWN, IT'S...
00:03:49 Host JOHN MUELLER. AUTHOR OF "OVERBLOWN." C-SPAN.ORG. BBC PARLIAMENT CHANNEL AND ELSEWHERE AROUND THE...
00:04:26 Guest THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS OUT THERE WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR, HURRICANES AND EVERYTHING. GIVEN...
00:05:47 Host THE TSA, AFTERMATH OF 9/11, ORGANIZING A FEDERAL AGENCY THAT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF SECURITY OF THE...
00:06:00 Guest IT'S NOT CLEAR. IT IS REALLY THE CASE, PEOPLE WOULD BE AFRAID TO FLY. IF IT WENT THROUGH THAT RITUAL,...
00:07:04 Host HOW DO YOU STRIKE A BALANCE?
00:07:05 Guest A CAREFUL COST ANALYSIS. THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY HAS EXPERIMENTED A LITTLE BIT WITH AIRLINES...
00:07:43 Host THE TERROR THREAT WAS REDUCED IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU WRITE ON PAGE 161, REMEMBERING FALSE ALARMS....
00:07:58 Guest THIS IS SOMEWHAT LIGHT HEARTED IN SOME RESPECTS. IF PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY TOLD THERE'S A WOLF AROUND...
00:09:51 Host OUR GUEST, JOHN MUELLER OUT WITH HIS NEW BOOK, OUT ON STANDS NOW "OVERBLOWN, HOW POLITICIANS AND THE...
00:10:15 Caller MR. MUELLER, GOOD MORNING.
00:10:16 Guest GOOD MORNING.
00:10:20 Caller COULD YOU DISCUSS MID WESTERN PROFESSORS, DISCUSSING THE TOWERS FALLING DOWN AND TAKEN THAT OUT OF...
00:10:42 Guest I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE TOWER THING, WHY THEY FELL AND SO FORTH. I DON'T...
00:11:15 Host CONSPIRACY THEERISTS BELIEVE THE U.S. MAY HAVE HAD A ROLE IN THE DOWNING OF THE TWO TOWERS.
00:11:22 Guest I'VE HEARD THAT RUMOR AND SO FORTH, CONSPIRACY THEORY AND THINK IT'S EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. THAT'S A...
00:11:30 Host KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI, GOOD MORNING.
00:11:32 Caller GOOD MORNING. TERRORISTS HIT THE JACK POT THAT MORNING. 11 GUYS TOOK OVER THREE PLANES WHICH WAS...
00:12:06 Host THANK YOU.
00:12:09 Guest YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CERTAIN WALL OWING IN WORST CASE SCENARIOS, NO EVIDENCE THAT AL QAEDA HAS REMOTE...
00:13:13 Host THEN DAYS AGO, WE COMMEMORATED THE 60th ANNIVERSARY OF PEARL HARBOR. YOU WRITE ABOUT THAT IN YOUR...
00:13:38 Guest IN THE CASE OF PEARL HARBOR, UNITED STATES WAS ATTACKED BY A COUNTRY WITH REMOTE RETURN ADDRESS AND...
00:14:28 Host IS THAT WHY YOU SAY THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR WAS MORE OF AN INFLEENS THAN A CATASTROPHE FOR THE...
00:14:49 Guest YES, OKLAHOMA AND ARIZONA, PLUS TARGET SHIP, UTAH. MUCH OF THAT EQUIPMENT WAS EXTREMELY OLD. SOME...
00:15:33 Caller GOOD MORNING. SPEAKING OF JAPANESE, WERE YOU AWARE THEY HAD A NUCLEAR BOMB THAT HE HAD ALREADY TESTED...
00:16:40 Host WE'LL GET A RESPONSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALL.
00:16:44 Guest CLINTON DID, AFTER THE EMBASSY BOMBINGS, OF COURSE, ATTACK BOTH SUDAN AND AFGHANISTAN. I AGREE WITH...
00:18:16 Host OUR NEXT CALL FROM VIRGINIA. GOOD MORNING.
00:18:19 Caller GOOD MORNING. GENTLEMEN, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO READING YOUR BOOK, DR. MUELLER. I GUESS I HAVE A...
00:19:07 Host WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON YOUR SECOND POINT. JOHN MUELLER?
00:19:12 Guest I AGREE BASICALLY ABOUT CALLING IT A WAR. IT'S LIKE HAVING A WAR ON AMPHIBIOUS LANDINGS OR SOMETHING...
00:20:30 Host ALEX ANDREA, VIRGINA, LET'S FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR SECOND POINT.
00:20:34 Caller ON THE WAR ON TERROR, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH I'VE SEEN NUMBERS RAGING FROM 500 TO $800 BILLION SINCE...
00:21:40 Host THANK YOU, CALLER. LET ME GIVE YOU THIS SIMILAR POINT. PLEASE COMMENT ON THE FOLLOWING ASSERTION....
00:22:07 Guest I HEARD THAT. THEY PLAY TO TERRORISM, IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD IDEA. IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE POLITICIANS...
00:23:04 Host AND THE COMMENT ABOUT THE DONKY?
00:23:09 Guest I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DONKY THING, BUT IT IS BASICALLY A POLICING MATTER. GENERALLY, THAT'S WORKED...
00:25:37 Host SUNDAY AFTERNOON IN GREAT BRITAIN. WE WELCOME OUR VIEWERS ON BBC'S PARLIAMENT CHANNEL. LONDON IS NEXT....
00:25:45 Guest GOOD MORNING.
00:25:47 Caller WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOUR GUEST, I THINK HE IS A LITTLE BIT NAIVE WITH RESPECT TO AL QAEDA, BECAUSE,...
00:26:37 Guest WORLD WAR III IMAGERY IS ONE, OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT VERY FAVORABLE TOWARDS. THAT BASICALLY MAKES A COMBAT...
00:27:42 Host FROM CONNECTICUT WHO SAYS WASN'T BIN LADEN'S AIM TO RUIN THE ECONOMY OF THE U.S.? LOOK AT THE MONEY...
00:28:03 Guest BIN LADEN SAID THIS IN 2004 IN ONE OF HIS INCYCLICALS. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BANKRUPT THE UNITED STATES....
00:29:21 Host JOHN MUELLER IS AN AUTHOR AND TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS AT OHIO STATE,...
00:29:31 Caller GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MR. MUELLER.
00:29:34 Guest GOOD MORNING.
00:29:37 Caller I'M REALLY DISTURBED AAT SOME OF THE THINGS COMING FROM YOU. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT...
00:30:57 Guest LET ME REASSURE YOU, IT'S MOSTLY BEING TAUGHT AS THE HYSTERIA I'M ARGUING AGAINST. THE ATTACKS IN...
00:32:57 Host THERE'S THIS ALSO FROM THE BOOK "OVERBLOWN," COSTLY GOVERNMENTAL ENTERPRISE, FEARS SWEPT INTO BEING...
00:33:20 Caller THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
00:33:22 Guest GOOD MORNING.
00:33:23 Caller I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IN THE '90s OORXY REMEMBER HOME-GROWN TERRORISTS THAT WERE BOMBING -- FROM...
00:34:18 Guest IT DEALS WITH THREAT INFLATION. ONE POSSIBILITY IS THAT THEY DON'T EXIST. WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER THAT...
00:35:41 Host REPUBLICAN LINE, MINNESOTA, GOOD MORNING.
00:35:44 Caller YES. A FEW CALLS BACK HAD THE SAME IDEA I WAS THINKING ABOUT. WHEN THEY CAME OVER HERE AND BOMBED...
00:36:20 Guest A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THIS, THAT THE WAR IN IRAQ FALLS INTO AL QAEDA'S HANDS GIVING THEM TARGETS...
00:37:34 Host ON FRIDAY, ANNOUNCEMENT OF HEIGHTENED RAIL SECURITY. DO YOU THINK IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE?
00:37:40 Caller IN TERMS OF MONEY. WE TALKED ABOUT THE AIRLINE SECURITY THING. THEY GET -- F IT'S VERY HARD FROM...
00:39:04 Host WE TRY.
00:39:05 Guest YES. NONETHELESS, YOU CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENING. AND THEN THE CONSEQUENCES, THE NFL STADIUMS...
00:39:40 Host OUR GUEST, "OVERBLOWN HOW POLITICIANS AND THE TERRORISM INDUSTRY INFLATE NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS...
00:39:47 Caller THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE DOING SUCH A FANTASTIC SERVICE TO HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE IDEA OF...
00:40:49 Guest A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS. I DO WANT TO STRESS, I DON'T THINK THE POLITICIANS ARE CREATE THE FEAR, BUT...
00:41:50 Host BY THE WAY, IN THIS WEEK'S EDITION, QC'S ANNUAL REPORT ON CONGRESS, POINTING OUT BEFORE THE NOVEMBER...
00:42:13 Caller GOOD MORNING. INTERESTING CONVERSATION. I'M NOT SURE ON WHICH SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM YOU COME...
00:42:33 Guest I'M A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT. VERY CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE, LIBERTARIANS AS WELL THAT SUPPORT THIS POSITION,...
00:43:59 Host ST. THOMAS, U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS, GOOD MORNING FOR JOHN MUELLER.
00:44:03 Caller THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL. A GOOD DOCUMENTARY CALLED WHY WE FIGHT. WHEN EISENHOWER LEFT OFFICE, HE...
00:44:18 Guest YEAH. I KNOW THAT DOCUMENTARY, AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT IT, IT WASN'T VERY CONSPIRATORIAL. WHAT...
00:45:16 Host PENNSYLVANIA, GOOD MORNING.
00:45:17 Caller THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GLAD TO BE ON.
00:45:21 Host SURE.
00:45:24 Caller MANY COMPANIES ARE MAKING LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY BY SUPPLYING. HOW MUCH IS THE WAR EFFORT BENEFITING...
00:45:38 Guest YOU MEAN THE WAR IN IRAQ?
00:45:39 Caller THAT'S CORRECT, THE WAR IN IRAQ.
00:45:42 Guest WELL, THE BEST ESTIMATES BY ECONOMISTS ARE HOW MUCH THIS WAR IS GOING TO COST. LOW ESTIMATES ARE LIKE...
00:46:27 Host ONE OF MANY CONCLUSIONS BY OUR GUEST, INCLUDING ONE THAT SAYS WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM THE HYSTERIA....
00:46:49 Caller YES, QOOD GOOD MORNING. MR. MUELLER?
00:46:52 Guest YES, SIR.
00:46:54 Caller YOU BRING A LOT OF SENSE TO THIS SUBJECT, BUT YOU SEEM RATHER DISMISSIVE OF STATES-SPONSORED TERRORISM....
00:48:41 Guest LET ME JUST SAY, GENERALLY, ABOUT STATE-SPONSORED TERRORISM, SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES ARE QUESTIONABLE....
00:49:43 Host FLORIDA, GOOD MORNING.
00:49:44 Caller HELLO. I'M ABOUT TO DELIVER THE LINCHING YOU WERE EXPECTING, SIR. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN....
00:51:00 Host THANK YOU. LET'S GET ONE MORE CALL ON THE TABLE AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUMMARIZE AND RESPOND....
00:51:09 Caller GOOD MORNING AMERICAN C-SPAN VIEWERS. AFTER FALLING THIS LAST CALLER, MY EXPERIENCE OF 9/11. I WAS...
00:52:20 Host THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. TWO POINTS?
00:52:25 Caller I'M MORE SURE ABOUT EVERYTHING THAN I AM ABOUT ANYTHING -- PARTICULARLY, THE FIRST POINT, THE CERTAINTY...
00:54:23 Host "OVERBLOWN," OUR GUEST IS JOHN MUELLER. HIS WORKS CAN BE SEEN IN SIMON AND SCHUESTER PUBLICATION....

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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