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DR. JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN, BORN IN 1915. DO YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST WHITE PERSON YOU EVER MET? |
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I SUPPOSE I DO. I HAVE SEEN MANY OF THEM, AND MANY OF THEM HAD, I HOPE, SEEN ME, BUT I HADN'T REALLY... |
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YOUR FATHER WAS A LAWYER? |
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MY FATHER WAS A LAWYER, YES. AND I HAD CONTACT WITH WHITE PEOPLE THROUGH HIM. BUT MOST CASUAL AND... |
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WHERE WERE YOU BORN? |
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I WAS BORN IN A VILLAGE IN OKLAHOMA, SOUTH OF TULSA, ABOUT 60 MILES SOUTH, AND THE NAME OF THE VILLAGE... |
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WHAT WAS THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE? |
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IT WAS NOT ALL THIS MUCH BETTER, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY WERE ALL BLACK, THEY WERE NOT AT PEACE AT ALL.... |
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THE TULSA RIOTS HAPPENED IN 1921? |
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YES, WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO MOVE TO TULSA. WE WERE PACKED, THEY WERE LITERALLY SITTING ON OUR BACKS,... |
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WHAT SPARKED THAT RIOT? |
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IT WAS A YOUNG BLACK MAN WHO WAS ACCUSED OF ASSAULTING, SEXUALLY ASSAULTING A YOUNG WHITE GIRL ON... |
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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO IN DEPTH. OUR GUEST IS DR. JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN, AUTHOR OR CO-AUTHOR OF... |
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SHE WAS A COLLEGE GRADUATE AND TAUGHT IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, FIRST IN SPRINGER, OKLAHOMA, THEN... |
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HOW RARE WAS IT TO BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN IN 1915 AND HAVE TWO PARENTS WHO WERE COLLEGE GRADUATES? |
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I DON'T KNOW, I SUPPOSE IT WAS FAIRLY RARE. THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES THAT WERE... |
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YOUR GRANDPARENTS WERE SLAVES? |
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MY GRANDPARENTS WERE SLAVES, YES. MY GRANDFATHER AND GRANDMOTHER ON MY MOTHER'S SIDE WERE SLAVES ... |
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DID YOU KNOW THEM? |
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NO, ALL OF MY GRANDPARENTS WERE DECEASED BY THE TIME I WAS BORN, AND I NEVER HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF... |
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WHEN DID YOU DECIDE TO BECOME AN ACADEMIC? |
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I DECIDED TO BECOME AN ACADEMIC WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE. UP TO THAT POINT, I WAS GOING TO BE A LAWYER.... |
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FISKE UNIVERSITY. |
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FISKE UNIVERSITY, AND SAW AND HEARD THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORY AT FISKE UNIVERSITY... |
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FISKE UNIVERSITY, |
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YES. |
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TED COURIER, WHITE MAN. |
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YES. |
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WHAT WAS HIS INFLUENCE ON YOU OVER THE YEARS? |
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NOT ONLY DID HE PREPARE ME FOR BECOMING AN ACADEMIC AND BECOMING AN HISTORIAN, BUT AS THE FIRST WHITE... |
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HE HELPED YOU TO GET INTO HARVARD? |
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YES. |
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BOTH ACADEMICALLY AND FINANCIALLY? |
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YES. WELL, OF COURSE HE PREPPED ME FOR HARVARD. HE HAD GONE TO HARVARD HIMSELF, ALTHOUGH HE HAD NEVER... |
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AND THEY WERE STILL IN TULSA? |
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YES, THEY WERE STILL IN TULSA. AND FOR PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE, MY MOTHER BY THIS TIME HAD STOPPED TEACHING... |
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AND THIS IS JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN'S DISSERTATION THAT MADE HIM A Ph.D. FROM HARVARD, THE FREE NEGRO IN... |
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I WAS. I WAS. TED COURIER LIVED UNTIL 1979. HE HAD PROTECTED HIMSELF AND ME, I THINK, AND WANTED... |
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WE'VE GOT THREE HOURS WITH DR. JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN, A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER. HE WAS BORN JANUARY 2ND,... |
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THANK YOU, DR. FRANKLIN, MY SON DID AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY ON YOU LAST YEAR AND WE HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH... |
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YES, I'M LIVING IN DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA, I LOOK FORWARD TO REMAINING IN DURHAM. |
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CALLER, WHAT WAS YOUR SON'S CONCLUSION IN HIS REPORT? WAS THIS FOR HIGH SCHOOL? |
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NO, ACTUALLY HE WAS IN THE FOURTH GRADE, AND WE PICKED DR. JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN BECAUSE HE WAS SOMEBODY... |
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I SUPPOSE YOU COULD SAY HE WAS, EXCEPT THAT HE WAS NOT A CHURCH GOING CHRISTIAN SO FAR AS I KNOW.... |
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MARTINEZ, CALIFORNIA, GO AHEAD, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
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YES, SIR. I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE AND PROFESS THAT I HAVE ONLY HEARD OF YOUR BOOK. I HAVE NOT YET READ... |
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YOU'RE IN GOOD COMPANY. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T READ ME. |
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AND I DO APOLOGIZE. YOU'VE HAD A VERY LONG AND ACCOMPLISHED LIFE. AND I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO SOUND... |
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WHERE WAS THIS COMMUNITY? |
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DANVILLE, CALIFORNIA. .. |
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BUT I HAVE FRIENDS FROM VARIOUS ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, STRAITS, FROM VERY, VERY POOR TO VERY, VERY WEALTHY,... |
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CALLER, LET'S GET A REACTION FROM DR. JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN. |
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WELL, LET ME SAY THAT JUST LAST NIGHT AFTER I ATE MY MEAL AT A, QUOTE, TONY DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ... |
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YOU AND YOUR SON. |
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MY SON AND HIS WIFE AND I, WHERE WE HAD RESERVATIONS, AND WE WERE -- AND WHERE THE RESTAURANT WAS... |
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AND IN FACT, IN MIRROR TO AMERICA, YOU WRITE ABOUT IN 1995 WHEN YOU RECEIVED THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL... |
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YES. |
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THE NIGHT BEFORE THE CAUSE MOES CLUB. |
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YES I WAS THE MEMBER OF THE COSMOSE CLUB AVERY RITZY RESTAURANT -- CLUB FOR MEN AND NOW FOR WOMEN... |
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AND THE NEXT DAY YOU RECEIVED THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM FOR PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON. THERE'S... |
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YES, DR. FRANKLIN IT WAS AN HONOR MEETING YOU YESTERDAY AT THE BOOK SIGNING AND IT'S AN HONOR SPEAKING... |
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WELL, OF COURSE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES Y. GREW UP IN AN AREA WHERE JIM CROW, RACIAL SEGREGATION... |
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WHAT IS JIM CROW? |
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JIM CROW IS THE SEPARATION OF RAS BY RACE. |
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HOW DID IT GET THAT NAME? |
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IT GOT THAT NAME THEORETICALLY BECAUSE IN THE 19th CENTURY, THE, THE, SEGREGATION WAS INSTITUTIONIZED... |
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AND FOR, TO GO BACK TO OUR HISTORY LESSON, WHAT WAS YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE BROWN v. BOARD OF EDUCATION... |
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WELL, I WAS, I WAS ONE OF THE PERSONS ASKED BY THUR GOOD MARSHALL TO GO BACK AND EXAMINE THE HISTORY... |
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AND THAT'S WHEN YOU WERE TEACHING AT HOWARD. |
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I WAS TEACHING AT HOWARD UNIVERSITY, AND I WOULD GO TO NEW YORK CITY EVERY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND... |
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IT WAS IN -- IN 1954. IN 1955 "FROM SLAVERY TO FREEDOM" WAS FIRST PUBLISHED. PARIS, CALIFORNIA, YOU'RE... |
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HELLO? |
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GO AHEAD. |
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IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE TO BE ON C-SPAN. I THANK C-SPAN SO MUCH BECAUSE I WOULD NOT EVEN KNOW WHO JOHN... |
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THANKS FOR YOUR CALL. |
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WELL, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT OKLAHOMA BESTOWS ON ON ITS BLACK CITIZENS ANY SPECIAL SENSITIVITY OR ANY... |
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BOOKTV@C-SPAN.ORG IS THE E-MAIL ADDRESS. BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, YOUR RN ON THE AIR. |
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DR. FRANKLIN, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF HEARING YOU AT THE BALTIMORE LIBRARY |
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YES. |
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AND I HAD THE PLEASURE OF HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR... |
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CALLER THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE. DR. FRANKLIN. |
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WELL, I THINK THAT YOU ARE ON TO SOMETHING WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE EXPERIENCES PROVIDE INSIGHT INTO... |
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WHAT STRUCK ME, DR. FRANKLIN, I WANT TO READ A QUOTE OF YOURS, BUT WHAT STRUCK ME IN READING YOUR... |
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YES. I'LL STAND BY THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST TO THE CALLER, NAMELY, THAT, THAT, AT... |
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PORTLAND, OREGON, YOU'RE ON WITH JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN. |
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YES, GOOD MORNING. IT'S MORNING HERE IN PORD LNT. |
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YES. |
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I'M CALLING. I WENT TO PRISON WHEN I WAS ABOUT 19 YEARS OLD: I WAS LIVING -- I'M FROM ST. LOUIS, ... |
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CALLER, WHY WERE YOU IN PRISON? |
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I WAS IN PRISON FOR ROBBERY, ROBBERY, GOT INTO DRUGS, AND, I GOT INTO ROBBERIES AND THAT WAS THE ... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER, DO YOU HAVE A QUICK QUESTION? |
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I HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION. WHEN AFRICAN PEOPLE CAME HERE TO THIS COUNTRY AND SETTLED IN THE... |
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WE GOT IT CALLER. |
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I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING. THERE I DON'T KNOW HOW EXTENSIVE IT IS, BUT WHEN A PEOPLE HAPPEN... |
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WE HAVE TWO HOURS LEFT WITH JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK AFTER THIS CALL,... |
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WHAT IS A TYPICAL DAY LIKE FOR YOU WHEN YOU ARE WORKING ON A BREAK? |
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WELL, IF I'M WRITING, THAT'S ONE THING, IF I'M DOING RESEARCH, THAT'S QUITE ANOTHER. I WOULD BE AT... |
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SO YOU DON'T DO E-MAIL? |
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NO, I DON'T DO E-MAIL AT ALL. I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WRITE ONE PARAGRAPH OF A CHAPTER IF I DID E-MAIL.... |
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WHEN YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, HOW DO YOU ORGANIZE YOUR MATERIAL SO THAT YOU CAN BRING IT HERE AND USE... |
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WELL, ONCE MORE, I WORK IN THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY. I WAS TRAINED 70 YEARS AGO, YOU SEE, SO THAT I WORKED... |
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WE ARE BACK LIVE WITH DR. JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN. THIS IS BOOKTV'S "IN DEPTH" PROGRAM. WE HAVE TWO HOURS... |
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AND THERE'S AN ORCHID NAMED AFTER HER? |
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THERE WAS AN ORCHID NAMED FOR HER WHEN THE FIRM OF CARTER AND HOMES SOUTH CAROLINA LEARN OFFEND HAD... |
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AND WHO IS YOUR SON? |
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WHAT'S THAT? |
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WHO IS YOUR SON, JOHNW. FRANKLIN NAMED FOR ME AND FOR -- AND HE HAS MY WIFE'S MAIDEN NAME. JOHN WITTINGTON... |
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STANFORD GRADUATE. |
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STANFORD GRADUATE, YES. |
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HOW IS HIS COLLEGE EXPERIENCE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR COLLEGE EXPERIENCE? |
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WELL, HE WENT TO A COLLEGE THAT'S NOT HISTORICALLY BLACK, THAT'S THE FIRST THING. AND HE'S NEVER... |
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WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO OUR CALLERS. THEY'RE ALL LINED UP. SOUTHFIELD, MICHIGAN, YOUR RN ON THE AIR... |
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DR. FRANKLIN I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, GET... |
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WELL, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM IS. IF IT IS A A CLICHE FOR... |
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ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA. |
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YES, GOOD MORNING, |
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GOOD MORNING. |
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MY QUESTION IS, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, I MEAN, EVEN THE CIVIL WAR AND THE 60s WHERE PEOPLE WERE STRUGGLING... |
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THANK YOU, CALLER. AND DR. FRANKLIN IF YOU COULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THAT CALL ALSO AND JUST... |
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WELL, WE, WE, WE LIVE IN A MORE OPEN SOCIETY IN MANY WAYS. IN THE QUESTION OF RACE WE DO LIVE IN... |
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YOU'VE TRAVELED EXTENSIVELY. YOU WRITE ABOUT IT QUITE OFTEN. IS IT WORSE IN THIS COUNTRY OR BETTER... |
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IS RACISM BETTER? |
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IS IT WORSE OR BETTER IN THIS COUNTRY AS OPPOSED TO OTHER COUNTRIES? |
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0. I HAVE TRAVEL ADGREAT DEAL. I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S NOT ANY BETTER HERE. AND, AND OTHER COUNTRIES... |
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SAN DIEGO, GO AHEAD. |
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HI. I AM CALLING FROM SAN DIEGO, I LIVE IN GROVE CALIFORNIA AND IT'S MY PLEASURE TO HEAR YOU SPEAK... |
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DR. FRANKLIN. |
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WELL, OF COURSE IT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE RACIST, NOT NECESSARILY AWARE OF THEIR OWN RACISM. AND PEOPLE... |
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ANNE MICHAEL MAILS IN I WAS A SHY UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT OF DR. FRANKLIN'S AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO... |
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I'M DEEPLY MOVED BY THAT OBSERVATION. AND I, I WISH THAT I COULD REMEMBER THIS ANNE MIKELES. I SIMPLY... |
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WHY DID YOU WRITE RAISING BLACK TEENAGE MALES IS THE HARDEST JOB? |
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I SUGGESTED THAT EARLIER BY IMPLICATION WHEN I SAID THAT THAT BLACK MAELTS HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE RESPONSIBILITY... |
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NEXT CALL FOR DR. FRANKLIN, SILVER SPRING, MARYLAND, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
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YES, HELLO, THIS IS -- I'M CALLING IN TO TELL DR. FRANKLIN THAT I WAS HIS AUTHOR ESCORT AT THE NATIONAL... |
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CALLER, ESCORTING DR. FLANK LN WAS IT -- DOES HE HAVE ROCK STAR STATUS OUT THERE? Caller: YES, THAT'S... |
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THANK YOU, BRENDA, APPRECIATE IT. |
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HERE'S AN E-MAIL FROM DIRK JAMES IN CREMORA, VIRGINIA. PROFESSOR FRANKLIN FIRST LET ME SAY YOU BLACKS... |
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UM, I WOULD THANK MR. JAMES FOR MAKING THAT OBSERVATION. AND I WOULD SAY IT IS BENEATH MY COMMENT.... |
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MIAMI, GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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YES, MY NAME IS RAYMOND, RAYMOND SHAW, AND I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH MR. HOPE. IT'S AN HONOR, FIRST OF... |
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WHAT'S THE BOOK ABOUT, CALLER? |
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UM, THE BOOK IS ABOUT LIFE, LIFE LIVE IN IN THE SUBURB IN THE AREA WHERE I LIVE AT, YOU KNOW, THE,... |
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CALLER WHAT KIND OF WORK DO YOU DO IN MIAMI? |
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I'M GRANITE -- I DO GRANITE WORK FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONSTRUCTIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NEW DEVELOPMENTS.... |
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CALLER, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANKS. DR. FRANKLIN. |
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LET ME SAY FIRST OF ALL THAT -WISH I HAD MET YOU. WHEN I WAS IN MIAMI ON MY BOOK TOUR. A FEW MONTHS... |
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NEXT CALL, SAN DIEGO, GO AHEAD. SAN DIEGO? WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO HOUSEN. |
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HI. |
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GO AHEAD. |
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THIS IS GARRY BRAXTON, I HAD A QUESTION FOR -FRANKLIN. DR. FRANKLIN, BACK TO THE RESERANT INCIDENT... |
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WELL, LET ME SAY FIRST OF ALL THAT IT COULD BE PARANOIA ON MY PART, THAT IS, I COULD BE OVERR OVERLY... |
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NAME THE BOOK AND AUTHOR YOU READ AND YOU -- YOU READ AND INSPIRED YOU? I HEARD YOU MENTION IT YESTERDAY... |
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I SUPPOSE IF THEY SPOKE OF, IF THEY DESIRED INFORMATION ABILITY MY FAVORITE BOOK OR BOOKS, I READ,... |
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WHO WAS DEBOIS? |
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HE WAS A REMARKABLE MAN WHO LIVED IN THE LATE 19th, AND THE FIRST YEARS OF THE 20th CENTURY HOST... |
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YOU RECOUNT AN ACCIDENTAL MEETING IN 1939 YOU HAD WITH W.E.B. DuBOIS. YOU SOUNDED DISAPPOINTED. |
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YES. I HAD SEEN DR. DUBIS A NUMBER OF TIMES. BUT I HAD NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO MEET HIM. IT WAS... |
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AND THAT STORY IS RECOUNTED IN "MIRROR TO AMERICA". FOLLOW-UP E-MAIL FROM JAMES JACOBS. COULD YOU... |
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THE DE-- DEBATE BETWEEN BOOKER WASHINGTON AND W.E.B. DuBOIS WAS JUST THAT, THAT DuBOIS FELT THAT,... |
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NEXT -- SKPFRJTS THEY DIFFERED COMPLETELY. |
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NEXT CALL, LOS ANGELES. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE ON WITH JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN. |
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HELLO. |
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4E8O. YES, I LIVE OUT HERE WITH MY FAMILY, AND MY MOTHER IS THE GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER OF JOHN BROWN.... |
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NO, DR. DuBOIS WROTE ABOUT JOHN BROWN BUT I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH JOHN BROWN'S CAREER. AND I ADMIRE... |
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HIGH POINT, NORTH CAROLINA. GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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GOOD AFTERNOON, |
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GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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ERATORS BLESSING AND AN HONOR TO SPEAK WITH YOU AGAIN. I MUST SAY THAT YOU TREATED ME MUCH MORE GRACINGLY... |
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THANK YOU. |
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AND THE NEXT CALL, IS OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA. GO AHEAD. OAKLAND, YOU WITH US? |
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YES, I AM. I WAS JUST INTRODUCED TO MR. FRANKLIN BY A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WAS A TEACHER, AND I'M VERY... |
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ALL RIGHT, CALLER, IF YOU CAN PUT A HOLD ON THAT WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A... |
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WELL, I'VE BEEN GROWING ORCHIDS FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS. I GOT HOOKED ON ORCUDS WHEN I WAS TEACHING ONE... |
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WHERE DO YOU ACQUIRE THESE ORCHIDS? |
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WELL, I ACQUIRE THEM, SOMETIMES I BROUGHT -- I BROUGHT SOME OF THESE ORCHIDS IN FROM ABROAD. YOU... |
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BEEN TAKING CARE OF THAT FOR 30 YEARS, HUH? |
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YES, YES, UH-HUH. SMFKT, I'VE GOT SOME OFF SPRING OF IT TOO. I PROBBIGATE THIS BY NOT ANY METHOD... |
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THAT'S HOW THEY START? |
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FROM THE ORCHID I BOUGHT IN BOMBAY INDIA IN 1976. THIS IS READY TO SEND OUT ITS LEFBDS, ITS NEW SHOOTS... |
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DO YOU THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR A HISTORIAN TO HAVE A HOBBY LIKE THIS? |
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I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR ANY PERSON TO HAVE A HOBBY AND DIVERSION FROM THE MAIN ACTIVITY AND... |
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WHAT IS A TYPICAL DAY LIKE FOR YOU WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON A BOOK? |
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WELL, IF I'M WRITING, THAT'S ONE THING. IF I'M DOING RESEARCH, IT'S QUITE ANOTHER. I WOULD BE AT THE... |
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SO YOU DON'T DO E-MAIL? |
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NO, I DON'T DO E-MAIL AT L. I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WRITE ONE PARAGRAPH. I THINK I WOULD SPEND MY ... |
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WHEN YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, HOW DO YOU ORGANIZE YOUR MATERIAL SO THAT YOU CAN BRING IT HERE AND USE... |
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WELL, ONCE MORE, I WORK THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY. I WAS TRAINED 70 YEARS AGO, YOU SEE, SO THAT I WORKED... |
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WE ARE BACK LIVE WITH JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN. ONE HOUR TO GO IN TODAY'S IN-DEPTH. WE ARE GOING TO TALK... |
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I WAS TRAINED IN HIGH SCHOOL TO BECOME A TYPIST, TO BE A TYPIST. I WON'T THREE GOLD MEDALS IN HIGH... |
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YOU WANT TO BOOKER T. HIGH SCHOOL YES. |
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AND YOU WERE THE VALLEY DICK TORAN. |
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YES, I WAS THE VALLEY DICK TORAN. |
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YOU TALK ABOUT A STORY WHERE YOU WERE INVITED TO A LUNCHEON IN HIGH SCHOOL. |
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YES, I WAS INVITED TO COME TO A LUNCHEON. IT WAS SOME SERVICE CLUB. I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE... |
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YOU SPECULATED WHO THAT WHITE BOY FROM CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL MIGHT HAVE BEEN. |
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I'M CERTAIN IT MUST HAVE BEEN DANIEL BUSH. HE WAS THE VALLEY DICK TORAN THE YEAR THAT I WAS, I LEARNED... |
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OAKLAND CALIFORNIA, YOU'VE BEEN PATIENT, YOU HAD A QUESTION FOR DR. FRANKLIN. PLEASE GO AHEAD. |
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YES. |
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YOU GOT TO TURN DOWN THE VOLUME OF YOUR T.V., CALLER. |
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MY QUESTION IS THAT I DISCOVERED IN MY LIFE THAT IT COMES DOWN TO THE SPIRIT OF OUR OWN INTENT WITH... |
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I'M PLEASED THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN IN TODAY AND I BELIEVE YOUR COMMENTS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR QUESTION... |
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ATLANTA, GEORGIA, GO AHEAD. |
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HOW ARE YOU DOING, DR. FRANKLIN. |
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FINE, THANK YOU. |
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ONE QUESTION, I ALSO GRADUATED FROM BOOKER T. WASHINGTON. I'M FROM LOUISIANA. I LIVE HERE IN GEORGIA.... |
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CALLER. |
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MY QUESTION IS, MY QUESTION IS WHEN IT COMES TO ENTER GENERATIONAL PROGRESSION OF BLACK AMERICA WHERE... |
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I DON'T GET YOUR QUESTION CLEARLY. I THINK IT'S QUITE TRUE THAT THERE IS SOME DISPARITY BETWEEN WHAT... |
| 02:13:40 |
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WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE MEMORY FROM YOUR TIME AT BOOKER T. WASHINGTON HIGH SCHOOL. HOW DID THE RACE... |
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HOW DID -- |
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YOUR FAVORITE MEMORY. |
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MY FAVORITE MEMORY. |
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AND LOU DID THE RACE RIOT INFLUENCE YOUR LIFE. |
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MY FAVORITE MEMORY OF BOOKER WASHINGTON HIGH SCHOOL -- THIS MAY COME AS A SURPRISE TO YOU -- IS MY... |
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A FAVORITE MEMORY AND THE RACE RIOTS. HOW DID THE RACE RIOTS INFLUENCE YOUR LIFE. |
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WELL THE RACE RIOTS OCCURRED WHEN I WAS IN IN REYNOLDSVILLE. MY FATHER WAS IN TULE TULSA, WE WERE ... |
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SHE TAUGHT YOU HOW TO FISH. |
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I WAS SIX YEARS OLD TO TEN YEARS OLD, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT YEARS, AND I WAS WITHOUT MY FATHER MOST... |
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FISHING? |
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EVERY YEAR I GO FISHING IN MONTANA AND I FISH THE RIVERS THAT COMES OUT OF IT -- OUT OF THE YELLOWSTONE... |
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THERE'S A PICTURE OF FRANKLIN FISHING THAT WE'LL LOOK AT. |
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THAT PICTURE OF ME FISHING IS IN ALASKA. |
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THAT'S A BIG FISH THAT YOU HAVE THERE. |
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YES, IT'S A LARGE. |
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IS THAT SALMON. |
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YES, SALMON. |
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A 32-POUND KING SALMON. |
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RENO, GET, PLEASE. THANKS FOR HOLDING. HOLDING. |
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MY PLEASURE, DR. FRANKLIN, THANKS IMMENSELY, ABOUT 45 YEARS AGO, I WAS 13 YEARS OLD, AND I WAS IN... |
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RIGHT. |
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SHE SUGGESTED THAT I WRITE YOU FOR A TOPIC ON MY FIRST RESEARCH PAPER AND I DID, AND YOU WROTE BACK.... |
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CONGRATULATIONS. |
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AND MY MOM, SHE'S 80 NOW, AND I NEVER WILL FORGET THE FACT THAT SHE SAID THAT YOU MADE HISTORY SO... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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THANK YOU. |
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AND DR. FRANKLIN, I'LL FOLLOW THAT UP WITH AN E-MAIL FROM JUAN JERRY FROM ALABAMA. HE WAS INTRODUCED... |
| 02:21:46 |
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I CAN'T SAY HOW OFTEN I FOUND, BUT WHAT I DID WAS TO TREAT EVERY STUDENT AS A POTENTIALLY GREAT HISTORIAN,... |
| 02:23:34 |
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AND MIKE FROM VIRGINIA WRITES IN, I'M A FORMER STUDENT OF ALFRED MOSS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND.... |
| 02:24:31 |
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I'M CALLING IN AND I VERY MUCH ADMIRE YOU BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TIME DISCUSSING THAT, BUT I... |
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YES, TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, GUNA MIRDAHL, THE SWEDISH SOCIALOLOGIST WHO CAME TO THIS COUNTRY... |
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AARON DOUGLAS. |
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THE PAINTING BY AARON DOUGLAS IS A REMARKABLE EX-APPLICATION OF THIS KIND OF ART ARTISTIC EXPRESSION... |
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AND ANOTHER PAINTER THAT GRACES THE COVER OF YOUR BOOK IS JACOB LAWRENCE. |
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YES, JACOB LAWRENCE IS THE PAINTER OF "IN SEARCH OF THE PROMISE LAND." THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS TAKEN... |
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WHO IS JACOB LAWRENCE. |
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HE'S A GREAT ARTIST, AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN ARTIST WHO DIED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, AND WHO WAS IN MANY... |
| 02:30:47 |
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HIGHLAND, CALIFORNIA, YOU'RE ON WITH JOAN HOPE FRANKLIN. |
| 02:30:52 |
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OH MY GOODNESS, GREETINGS. MY NAME IS SUSAN MARSHALL. MY MOTHERS NAME IS FLORENCE RENTE SCOTT AND... |
| 02:31:46 |
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THOSE WORDS WOULD BE TO FOLLOW THE LEADERS, AND YOU CAN POINT TO THE LEADERS. YOU OBVIOUSLY, KNOW... |
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25 MINUTES LEFT WITH OUR GUEST. NORTH CAROLINA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
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YES, MR. FRANKLIN, MY DAD GREW UP IN NORTH CAROLINA, WHICH I'M SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT THAT'S WHERE... |
| 02:35:08 |
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I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, WE HAVE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN OURSELVES... |
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I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A CURRENT EVENT GOING ON SENATOR GEORGE ALLEN, YOU SAID THE WORD MAKAKA AND... |
| 02:38:36 |
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SENATOR ALLEN, I THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A -- HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL HAD HE WORDED... |
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I DO. |
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HAVE YOU BEEN FOLLOWING THE DUKE AND CCU POTENTIAL RAPE CASE WHY YES, HOW CAN ONE NOT? IF ONE CLOSES... |
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WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? |
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MY THOUGHTS ARE -- I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FACTS IN THE CASE ARE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY THE CASE... |
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15 MINUTES LEFT, SAN FRANCISCO, YOU'VE BEEN ON HOLD, THANK YOU. |
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HIGH, DR. FRANKLIN. IT'S A GREAT HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK WITH THIS MORNING. |
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THANK YOU. |
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I WAS BORN IN BROOKLYN NEW YORK AND I ATTENDED BROOKLYN COLLEGE THE LAST YEAR THAT YOU WERE TEACHING... |
| 02:45:28 |
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ONE IS ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. AS YOU KNOW ONE OF OUR REGENTS WARD CONNORLY WAS AGAINST AFFIRMATIVE... |
| 02:45:51 |
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THANK YOU. CALLER, WE'LL LEAVE IT THERE. |
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WELL, I WILL SAY THAT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS NOT NEW, NOT AT ALL. IT DOESN'T APPLY MERELY TO RACE.... |
| 02:48:28 |
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IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET JOHN HOPE FRANKLIN'S FULL BIO, YOU CAN GO TO OUR SEASON SITE. THE COAUTHOR... |
| 02:49:09 |
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FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS AND INTERDISCIPLINARY STATUTES. THERE'S 23 PROGRAMS AT THE FRANKLIN CENTER... |
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NEWARK, NEW JERSEY, GET. |
| 02:49:25 |
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HI, MY NAME IS TERESA, I'M CALLING FROM ME WASHING AND I WAS BORN HERE IN 1960. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW... |
| 02:49:50 |
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WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE WOMEN'S RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAD ANY ADVERSE IMPACT. I WOULD THINK THAT THE... |
| 02:51:48 |
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TIME FOR TWO MORE CALLS. JUST GOT TO READ THIS ONE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE MY NAME IS MICHELLE, MR.... |
| 02:52:19 |
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I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NAGEE KNOWS THAT DR. FRANKLIN IS AWARE OF HIM. |
| 02:52:23 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I CAN ONLY ADD THAT WE CANNOT START TOO EARLY TO TRAIN OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. ONE... |
| 02:53:04 |
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SAN ANTONIO, GO AHEAD. |
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FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR OFFERING TO HAVE DR. FRANKLIN ON YOUR PROGRAM TODAY. I'M AN EDUCATOR.... |
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I APOLOGIZE, CALLER, WE LOST THE AUDIO ON THAT. FALLS CHURCH, VIRGINIA. YOU'RE ON WITH JOHN FRANKLIN.... |
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DR. FRANKLIN. IT'S A DELIGHT TO SEE YOU, ALTHOUGH ON TELEVISION, MY NAME IS JOHN KARGE. I MET YOU... |
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RIGHT. |
| 02:54:32 |
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YOU GAVE HIM HAND SOME U.S. BOOKS ON EDUCATION, AND THE MINISTER WAS SURPRISED TO SOME DEGREE AND... |
| 02:55:06 |
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ALL RIGHT. CALLER. THANK YOU FOR THAT CALL. DR. FRANKLIN. |
| 02:55:11 |
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YES, I REMEMBER SO WELL MY VISIT THERE. AND THE OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESENT BOOKS ON EDUCATION, PARTICULARLY,... |
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