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AND SAW SOME FA MILL AIR TWI THAT PART OF THE WORLD AND IT HURT ME TO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CULTURE... |
| 00:03:42 |
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SURE YOU FOUND WHAT YOU HAD EXPECTED OR WERE THEIR SURPRISES IN THINGS YOU LEARNED ALONG THE WAY?... |
| 00:03:49 |
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WELL, A LOT OF SURPRISES. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, FOR INSTANCE, YOU GO BACK TO 9/11, YOU KNOW?... |
| 00:04:20 |
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WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT? |
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WELL, JUST ON THE SUBJECT OF BIN LADEN, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO A LOT OF HIS FRIENDS, RELATIVE, I WOULD... |
| 00:07:30 |
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OH, GOSH. YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO OVER 600 PEOPLE. SOME OF THEM, I TALK TO DOZENS, MAYBE HUNDREDS OF... |
| 00:09:47 |
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SOMEONE MIGHT BE OFFENDED, I THINK, BY THE PERSONALIZATION OF THESE FIGURES WHO ARE DEE-DEE MONIC... |
| 00:09:57 |
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BUT IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM, YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH THEM. AND CHANGE THE REALITY THAT CREATED THEM... |
| 00:10:42 |
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YOU KNOW, THESE WERE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE BY INDIVIDUAL, CERTAINLY, THERE WERE HISTORIC TRENDS... |
| 00:11:27 |
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YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE AMERICANS THAT EMERGES LARGER-THAN-LIFE IN THE BOOK FOR IS JOHN O'NEIL. I WAS... |
| 00:14:30 |
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MANY OF THE AMERICAN FBI/CIA WHITE HOUSE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME THROUGH IN YOUR STORY, UM, ARE NOT... |
| 00:16:42 |
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THEY ALL TALKED TO YOU? |
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YES, THEY DID. I HAD A GOOD ACCESS -- IT IS NOT A MYSTERY THAT PEOPLE TALK TO REPORTER,. IS JUST... |
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THERE WERE SO MANY INSTANCES. TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YOU ARE TALKING TO, SAY A MIB OF JIHAD, WHO WAS ONE... |
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LITTLE GUY? |
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A LITTLE GUY. |
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THAT WAS A GREAT STORY. I HEARD ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW? I NEVER KNEW THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOMEONE THAT... |
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WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS. IN A CERTAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE LOOKING THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY... |
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NO IT HAS NOT ENDED. WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE BOOK, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME, WHERE ARE THE... |
| 00:23:38 |
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IIZED THERE HAD BEEN AN ENTIRE OTHER CONTINGENT IN AFGHANISTAN WHO HAD NOT AFFILIATED AT THE TIME... |
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I WANT TO QUOTE, A COMPELLING LITTLE PASSAGE. YOU SAY THAT ON A PLANE, BIN LADEN HAD BEEN MARGINALIZED,... |
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YEAH, THANK YOU. |
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HE IS A GENIUS IN THAT REGARD. THE PEOPLE THAT KNEW HIM EARLY IN AFGHANISTAN DIDN'T SEE HIM AS A... |
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HE HAD A VISION AND WHAT HE ALSO HAD WAS WHEN HE GOT BACK TO SAUDI ARABIA. HE MANAGED TO SPEND THIS... |
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THEY COULDN'T SHOOT |
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EXACTLY. |
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BIN LADEN PROVED HIMSELF TO BE AN EFFECTIVE COMMANDER. BUT HE GETS BACK TO SAUDI ARABIA AND HE HAS... |
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WHEN WE COME BACK, WHEN WE DO, WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT. COMPARISONS BETWEEN YOUR BOOK... |
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TALKING TO LAWRENCE WRIGHT ABOUT HIS BOOK. I WANT TO IN THIS SECTION TALK IF YOU WILL ABOUT SOME ... |
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I DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS THE EGYPTIAN INFLUENCE BECAUSE AL QAEDA HAS BIN LADEN AT THE... |
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NO. |
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IN FACT HE PLAYS A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT ROLE. ON THIS ISSUE OF DECISION MAKING, FOR EXAMPLE, AROUND... |
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WE TALKED IN THE FIRST SESSION ABOUT THE GANG THAT COULDN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT. THE STORY YOU TELL IS... |
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YEAH. |
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I AM HAVING TROUBLE SORTING IT OUT. |
| 00:34:49 |
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WHICH IS BIN LADEN GROUP? I MEAN, IT GETS OUT AFTER A DISASTER AND BEGINS BROADCASTING THAT HE WAS... |
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YEAH. |
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IS THE THE STORY YOU GET? IT IS INTERESTING. SPIN IS ESSENTIAL. YOU KNOW BIN LADEN WOULD OFTEN TAKE... |
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BLACK HAWK DOWN. |
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EXACTLY. THAT IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE. HAS NEVER TAKEN CREDIT FOR THE EMBASSY BOMBINGS. ALTHOUGH, IT... |
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WELL, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE FATHER AN ALSO THE SON OF HASSAN, THE PERSON BEHIND THE ISLAMIST... |
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MID-1996, HE IS FLAT BUSTED BROKE. HIS MOVEMENT HAS WIN DELD DOWN TO A HANDFUL. AS FAR AS TRAINED... |
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RUSSIA OR CHINA? |
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CHINA, YOU ARE CORRECT. I READ THE BOOK. |
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YEAH. THANK YOU. I READER THAT SOME OF THEM LANDED ON PAKISTANI SOIL |
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ONE PERSONAL STORY THAT COMES THROUGH THE REPORT. THAT DID YOU NOT TOUCH ON. WE TALK ABOUT THE FASCINATION... |
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YEAH. |
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WHO GOES BACK ANDFORCE VISITING WITH HER. |
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AND SHE COMES AND SPENDS TIME WITH HIM IN FLORIDA AND HE WRITES HER A FAREWELL NOTE, UM, CALLS HER... |
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YOU ARE RIGHT. I WAS VERY INTERESTED. |
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WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? THAT BREAKS THE MOLD HERE. THAT IS A WEIRD TORY. |
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JIM, I DECIDED I WAS NOT GOING TO WRITE THE HIJACK. FOR ONE THING, I DID NOT WANT TO OVERPOPULATE... |
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ON THE ISSUE OF WHAT HAPPENED. I MEAN WE TALK ABOUT THE GANG THAT COULDN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT. I WANT... |
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DUH. |
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ABOUT IT IS ASTONISH, YOU KNOW, IN AMERICANS INVITED IN ON SPECIAL VASE THAT ALLOWS HIM FOR SPECIAL... |
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WHILE WE ARE ON IT. HAVING LITERALLY WIRETAPPED CONVERSATIONS, BUT NOT SHARING THE CONTENTS WHEN IN... |
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WELL, I WILL START BY TALKING ABOUT A MAN WHO WAS A 29-YEAR-OLD FBI AGENT IN NEW YORK UNDER JOHN O'NEIL'S... |
| 00:52:33 |
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HE WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH GETTING NEW VISAS. |
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HE USHERED THE MUSCLE, THE HIJACKERS IN. HE BECAME ONE OF THE 9/11 HIJACKERS. |
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ONE LAST CHARACTER MISSING FROM THE BOOK, UM, THE RELIGION OF ISLAM. IT IS SO DISTURBING AS I READ... |
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RIGHT. |
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TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT AS WE CLOSE OUT. |
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WELL, ISLAM IS IN A PERIOD OF INTERSECTION, RELIGIONS CHANGE OVER TIME. CHRISTIANITY IS CERTAINLY... |
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THIS IS THE LOSS OF CONTROL AND POLICIES THAT WE HAVE PERPETRATED IN SOME PART, HAVE A ROLE AS WELL?... |
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WELL, I THINK THE THAT IS SOMETHING TO ANSWER FOR. IN A LOLIANISM BEING ONE. CERTAINLY, WE HAVE SUPPORTED... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
