Education Myths

Sep 8, 2005

Manhattan Institute for Policy Research

Jay Greene talked about his book Education Myths: What Special-Interest Groups Want You to Believe About Our Schools -- and Why It Isn't So, published by Rowman and Littlefield Publishers. He argued that special interest groups are dominating public education. In his book he examined eighteen beliefs about American education that he .. Read More
Jay Greene talked about his book Education Myths: What Special-Interest Groups Want You to Believe About Our Schools -- and Why It Isn't So, published by Rowman and Littlefield Publishers. He argued that special interest groups are dominating public education. In his book he examined eighteen beliefs about American education that he found to be false, e.g. that schools need more money, that poor and immigrant children can't do as well as other kids, and that school vouchers aren't effective. Following his remarks, Mr. Greene responded to questions and comments from members of the audience.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:30 none WELCOME, EVERYBODY. I AM PRESIDENT OF THE INSTITUTE, AND IT'S INDEED FITTING THAT OUR INTRODUCER TODAY...
00:02:08 Unidentified Speaker
00:02:14 Unidentified Speaker SAY THAT I COMPLETED 11 NEW YORK CITY MARATHONS, BUT I SAY THAT I HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE IN MY BUSINESS,...
00:02:23 Unidentified Speaker ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE MAYORAL CAMPAIGN KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE HAVE THIS...
00:04:07 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THANK YOU, HERMANN AND LARRY. THANKS THE MANHATTAN INSTITUTE, ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND...
00:05:11 Unidentified Speaker JUST ASK YOUR FAVORITE TEACHER WHAT HE OR SHE THINKS ABOUT THE ELABORATE STATISTICAL ANALYSES, AND...
00:32:22 Unidentified Speaker GOOD POINT. I WILL HAVE TO WORK THAT INTO THE NEXT. BUT WITH EDUCATION GROUPS, AGAIN IN PART BECAUSE...
00:34:25 Unidentified Speaker I'M SORRY. ACTUALLY, ONE OTHER THING IS YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE IT IS ON C-SPAN,...
00:34:48 Unidentified Speaker THERE. OK. WHILE WE WAIT FOR THAT, I WILL JUST GO LIKE THIS. [LAUGHTER]
00:35:02 Unidentified Speaker OH, BOY, INTERESTING. YEAH. I'M SORRY.
00:35:05 Unidentified Speaker TESTING, ONE, TWO, THREE. EVERYBODY HEAR ME NOW?
00:35:10 Unidentified Speaker IS IT SHOWING UP ON C-SPAN? YES. GOOD. OK.
00:35:12 Unidentified Speaker CONSIDERING THE ENORMOUS POLITICAL POWER OF THE TEACHERS UNION, I WONDER HOW MUCH FARTHER AHEAD WE...
00:35:24 Unidentified Speaker YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE GREATEST SOURCES OF POWER OF THE TEACHERS UNIONS IS THE BELIEF THAT --...
00:37:07 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT.
00:37:09 Unidentified Speaker MY QUESTION TO YOU, IS IT A MYTH THAT SCHOOLS CANNOT OVERCOME OR OVERWHELM SUCH THINGS AS A LACK OF...
00:37:30 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I JUST KNEW THAT THE QUESTIONS WERE GOING TO JUST PICK UP OUR OTHER -- THE OTHER MYTHS IN THE...
00:40:14 Unidentified Speaker YES, YES. I KNOW YOU WILL AGREE -- OOPS. IS IT WORKING?
00:40:19 Unidentified Speaker GO AHEAD.
00:40:24 Unidentified Speaker MYTH, VERY HIGH INTELLECTUAL STANDARDS. LET'S TAKE JUST FOUR VERY QUICK THINGS, BAD DATA, SELECTIVE...
00:40:46 Unidentified Speaker LET ME TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME.
00:40:47 Unidentified Speaker OK.
00:40:49 Unidentified Speaker IN FACT, I THINK I WAS CLEAR IN SAYING IF WE LOOK AT 12TH GRADE, BECAUSE IT'S THE END PRODUCT OF OUR...
00:41:38 Unidentified Speaker YOU CITE SHOWS THAT THE PROBLEM OF MONEY IS NOT ENTERING SALARIES OF TEACHERS, WHERE SHE ARGUES THEY...
00:41:47 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT, BUT THE RANGE THAT TEACHERS, THEN, CAN ENJOY. AGAIN, THIS MAY BE IN YOUR BOOK, BUT I THINK...
00:42:03 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT.
00:42:06 Unidentified Speaker THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE QUITE EXPENSIVE TO REMEDY, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT AGAIN, BY COMPRESSING...
00:42:20 Unidentified Speaker WELL, ALL STATEMENTS RISK OVERSIMPLIFICATION, AND THERE WAS EITHER PROFESSOR STANLEY HOFFMAN WHO WOULD...
00:43:08 Unidentified Speaker ONE LAST THING. THE STUDIES YOU CITE FROM OTHERS YOU VERY WELL KNOW ARE MUCH CRITICIZED. I THINK THERE'S...
00:43:48 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THINK WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO USE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, AND I AGREE QUALITY OF DATA IN EDUCATION...
00:44:27 Unidentified Speaker I THINK I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO HOP RIGHT OFF THE LAST THING YOU SAID. AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE ADDRESSED...
00:46:39 Unidentified Speaker SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE NEW YORK ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOLERS AND THE CITY UNIVERSITY ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOLERS,...
00:47:43 Unidentified Speaker OK. ON THE FIRST ITEM, ON SOCIAL PROMOTION, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A STUDY ON THE EFFECTS OF ENDING SOCIAL...
00:50:07 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BOOK, JAY.
00:50:11 Unidentified Speaker OH, THANKS.
00:50:13 Unidentified Speaker LET ME PREFACE MY QUESTION BY SAYING THAT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THE MONEY MYTH. I THINK IT'S...
00:50:36 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT.
00:50:37 Unidentified Speaker WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
00:50:38 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT.
00:50:39 Unidentified Speaker WHEREAS THERE COULD BE A PLAUSIBLE ARGUMENT THAT SPENDING MONEY ON THINGS THAT ARE RESEARCH-BASED,...
00:50:50 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT.
00:50:52 Unidentified Speaker WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE A TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE IN RAISING ACHIEVEMENT.
00:50:55 Unidentified Speaker I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THAT, AND, IN FACT, THE BOOK IS MORE NUANCED THAN MY SPEECH. THE CURSE OF TIME...
00:52:09 Unidentified Speaker YES, BACK HERE.
00:52:10 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A MYTH OUT THERE, AND MAYBE I AM WRONG ABOUT THIS,...
00:52:33 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT STUDY. AND IT ISN'T IN THE BOOK. AND ACTUALLY, IT'S A NICE OPPORTUNITY...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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