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THIS WEEK, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING AND THE BROADCASTING BOARD OF GOVERNORS.... |
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KEN TOMLINSON, WHY DID YOU GET INVOLVED IN PUBLIC BROADCASTING? |
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WELL, I HAVE PLEASANT MEMORIES OF PUBLIC BROADCASTING. THE FACT IS I WAS A BLUEGRASS DISK JOCKEY AT... |
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HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? |
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I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN PUBLIC SERVICE IN ADDITION TO JOURNALISM ALL MY LIFE. I HAVE BEEN ON FIVE... |
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HOW DID BILL CLINTON -- I MEAN, IN YOUR CASE, DID HE HAVE TO APPOINT A REPUBLICAN? |
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YES, HE HAD TO APPOINT A REPUBLICAN. IT WAS A TRADITION THAT MY NAME WAS PUT BEFORE FOR THE VOTE.... |
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WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? |
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1999. |
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SO YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING BOARD SINCE 1999? |
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YES. |
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YOU HAVE BEEN CHAIRMAN FOR HOW LONG? |
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TWO YEARS. THERE IS A TWO-YEAR TERM LIMIT. |
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WHO MADE THE DECISION YOU BECOME CHAIRMAN? |
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MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD. |
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NINE PEOPLE. |
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AS OF LAST YEAR, HOW MUCH MONEY DID DID THE TAXPAYERS GO TO THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING?... |
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APPROXIMATELY $400 MILLION. |
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HOW MUCH OF IS THAT IS IN URB DISCRETION TO SPEND AND WHERE DOES IT GO? |
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VERY LITTLE. THE BULK OF IT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE STATIONS, TELEVISION AND RADIO, 7 75/25. THE CPB... |
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UNDERSTANDING PUBLIC BROADCASTING IS TO BE CLOSE TO A UNDERSTANDING THE WAY PUBLIC BROADCASTING WORK.... |
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YOU CAN TELL A STATION IN MINNEAPOLIS WHAT TO DO? |
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NO IN FACT, PBS CAN'T TELL A STATION IN MINNEAPOLIS WHAT TO DO |
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PUBLIC BROADCASTING IS A BOTTOM-UP OPERATION. IN FACT, I SIT OUT IN MY CHAIRMANSHIP FOR CPB TO RECOGNIZE... |
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HOW MUCH MONEY DOES CPB AS AN ORGANIZATION SPEND EACH I DON'T ITS OWN OPERATION? |
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5% OF THAT $400 MILLION. |
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$20 MILLION. |
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HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK THERE? |
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OH, APPROXIMATELY 80, 90. |
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WHERE IS IT LOCATEED? |
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NINTH STREET DOWNTOWN. |
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HERE IN WASHINGTON? |
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UH-HUH. |
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WHAT IS THE PUBLIC BROADCASTING SERVICE OR PBS? |
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PBS WAS CREATED AS ONE OF THE PRIMARY PRODUCERS FOR THESE INFINITE STATIONS. YOU ALSO HAVE A NUMBER... |
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HOW BIG IS THE PUBLIC BROADCASTING SERVICE? |
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PUBLIC BROADCASTING SERVICE IS A SERVICE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU COUNT IT, ABOUT 200 END PEFNTS STATION... |
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HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK THERE, DO YOU KNOW? |
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I CAN'T COUNT THAT HIGH. NO, I DON'T KNOW. |
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WHAT KIND OF POWER DO THEY HAVE? |
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EACH STATION HAS CONSIDERABLE POWER. EACH STATION HAS THE POWER TO PROGRAM WHAT IT RECEIVES FROM ... |
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NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO. DO THEY WORK FOR YOU? |
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THEY DON'T WORK FOR US. WE GIVE THEM A PORTION OF THE FUNDING THAT THEY RECEIVE. WE GIVE THEM THEIR... |
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HOW DID THAT WORK? HOW MANY RADIO STATIONS ARE THERE OUT THERE THAT BELONG TO NPR? |
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THEY SUPPLY THE PROGRAMMING. AN INTERESTING ELEMENT THAT YOU ALSO HAVE AN OUTGROWTH OF IS MINNESOTA... |
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DOES ANYBODY REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS? |
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AS YOU CAN TELL, I WORK MIGHTY HARD AT TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. |
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WHY IS THAT? |
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I THINK THAT -- WE USED TO SAY AT READER'S DIGEST -- I WAS THERE FOR MANY YEARS -- WE SAID WALLACE... |
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IS THE PUBLIC BROADCASTING SYSTEM ABOUT TO GO BROKE? |
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PUBLIC TELEVISION, IN MY OPINION, IS IN TROUBLE. THEY ARE FORECASTING FROM SEASONED OBSERVERS, IT... |
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WHERE DID YOU COME FROM ORIGINALLY? WHERE IS YOUR HOMETOWN? |
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I AM FROM VIRGINIA. |
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DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL LOCALLY? |
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I WENT TO SCHOOL LOCALLY, OF COURSE. |
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DID YOU LIKE HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE? |
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I WENT NORTH OF RICHMOND. |
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WHAT DID YOU STUDY? |
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I MAJORED IN BEING A NEWSPAPER REPORTER. I GOT A JOB MY SOPHOMORE YEAR AND JUST ABOUT THE TIME I OF... |
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WHAT YEAR DID YOU GRADUATE FROM RANDOLPH MACON? |
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I WAS THE CLASS OF '66. |
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AFTER BEING A REPORTER FOR A WHILE, WHAT DID YOU DO? |
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I WOULD WORK FOR READER'S DIGEST IN THE WASHINGTON BUREAU OF THE MAGAZINE, 1968. |
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YOU ENDED UP BEING EDITOR? |
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EDITOR IN CHIEF. |
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WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? |
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I BECAME EDITOR IN CHIEF IN 1999. |
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BEFORE THAT, YOU WERE RUNNING THE VOICE OF AMERICA? |
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I RAN VOICE OF AMERICA FROM ALE 82 TO '84, AND IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY EXPERIENCE. IT WAS EASILY THE... |
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IS VOA EASIER TO LISTEN TODAY THAN IT WAS IN THOSE DAYS? IS IT AS GOOD AS THE BBC? |
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I THINK IT, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF QUALITY, I THINK IT IS. WE HAVE HAD QUITE A GROWTH IN INTERNATIONAL... |
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AS CHAIRMAN OF THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING, DO THEY PAY YOU? |
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I THINK I'M CAPPED AT $10,000 A YEAR. |
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IS THAT A PER DIEM BASIS? |
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$150 A DAY. |
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HOW DO YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY? HOW DO YOU SURVIVE? |
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I'M RETIRED, AND FORTUNATELY, WE DID WELL THROUGH THE YEARS. SOME PEOPLE SAY I MARRIED WELL. |
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BUT YOU'RE ALSO CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, THE BROADCASTING BOARD OF GOVERNORS? |
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YES. |
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WHAT IS THAT? |
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AFTER 9/11, I WAS APPOINTED CHAIRMAN OF THE BROADCASTING BOARD OF GOVERNORS BY PRESIDENT BUSH. THE... |
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UNDER THAT BROADCASTING BOARD, ARE HOW MANY OUTFITS? VOICE OF AMERICA, MIDDLE EAST BROADCASTING, OUR... |
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HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY OR POWER DO YOU HAVE IN THAT JOB AS CHAIRMAN? |
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WELL, IT IN MANY WAYS, IT'S A POWER TO DO GOOD. I'M VERY PROUD OF MY WORK AT ENCOURAGING THIS ADMINISTRATION,... |
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HOW MUCH MONEY IS SPENT ON ALL THOSE ENTITIES YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT? |
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WELL OVER $600 MILLION THIS YEAR, AND WE HAVE A 10% INCREASE IN THE WORKS FOR '06. |
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DID YOU HIRE AND FIRE THE HEAD OF THE VOA AND RADIO SATELLITE AND PLACES LIKE THAT? |
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THE BOARD HAS THIS BODY IN COOPERATION WLG OTHERS. |
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WHO ARE SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WE WOULD RECOGNIZE? |
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JIM PATTIS, A BROADCASTER FROM LOS ANGELES IS ON THE BOARD. TIM COHEN IS A BROADCASTER, A TALK SHOW... |
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WHO APPOINT APPOINTS THEM? |
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THE PRESIDENT. |
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IT HAS TO BE SO MANY REPUBLICANS AND SO MANY DEFENDANT DEMOCRATS? |
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YES. |
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EVERYTHING IS POLITICS? |
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YES. |
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YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS IN THE SO-CALLED MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND BY PEOPLE... |
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THE BEEF STEMS FROM MY EFFORTS AT CPB TO ENCOURAGE THAT THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW THAT WE HAVE POLITICAL... |
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AT THE HEARING THAT WE COVERED RECENTLY, YOU WERE CHALLENGED TO DEBATE BILL MOYERS AND YOU SAID YES.... |
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I WOULD BE HAPPEN TY TO DEBATE BILL. IT WON'T BE GOOD FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING. THE MORE CONGRESS... |
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DID ANYBODY FOLLOW UP AND SUGGEST THAT THE ACTUAL DEBATE BE HELD? |
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MR. MOYERS WANTS TO DO IT, AND WE WILL HAVE LUNCH AND PLAN SOMETHING. I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO... |
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IT WILL BE BE IN A PUBLIC FORUM? |
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YES. |
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COVERABLE BY THIS NETWORK AND OTHERS? |
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I ASSUME SO. |
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YOU THINK IT WOULD BE WILL SOON? |
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I THINK IT WILL BE IN THE FALL, IN SEPTEMBER. |
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WE COVERED, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE ASKED YOU TO COME TO THIS PROGRAM; THAT WE COVERED IN OUR SPEEM... |
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I SAW IT. |
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YOU DID? |
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I JUST HAPPEN TO. |
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AFTER, HE CALLED US FOR A CALL-IN SHOW AROUND THE HEARINGS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD A CHANCE... |
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CHANCE. WE HAVE A MINUTE MINI DEBATE HERE, TO GIVE |
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CHANCE TO REACT TO WHAT HE SAID. LET'S RUN THE FIRST CLIP AND GET YOUR REACTION. |
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AS EVERYONE KNOWS, MR. THOMASSON HAS PUT UP A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, $5 MILLION, YOUR MONEY... |
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IN THE FIRST PLACE, I DIRECTLY ASKED FOR CLOSE TO TWO YEARS, AND THE MOYERS PROGRAM STOOD ALMOST ALONE... |
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PAUL FARHEY WROTE IN THE "WASHINGTON POST" A STORE RIR -- A STORY, A FEW DAYS AGO ON A SUNDAY, ABOUT... |
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AFTER THE INITIAL STORY APPEARED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE EDITORIAL WRITER CALLED AND SAID OUR CONCERN... |
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HE ALSO SAID IN THE SAME ARTICLE -- |
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I WOULD NEVER TRY TO PUSH THE SYSTEM PUBLICLY TO CHANGE THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A DELICATE SYSTEM, AND... |
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WHERE DID THAT $5 MILLION GO? |
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PBS PLACED THE INITIAL CALL TO DO A PROGRAM, AND THAT PROGRAM WAS FUNDED BY OUR INDEPENDENT FILMING... |
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A CONVERSATION |
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DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MITCHELL, THAT SAID, AND I KNOW SHE DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU, AN INDEPENDENT... |
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I HAVE A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH PAT MITCHELL, OVER WEEKS AND MONTHS, PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS.... |
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LET'S SHOW YOU MORE OF BILL MOYERS AND GET YOUR REACTION. |
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FRIENDS IN WASHINGTON CALLED TO SAY THAT THEY HAD HEARD OF MUTTERED THREATS THAT THE PBS REAUTHORIZATION... |
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TRUE. I GOT A PHONE CALL IN NOVEMBER OF '03, AND HE SAID DID YOU WATCH BILL MOYERS TONIGHT? I SAID... |
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HOW MUCH MONEY FUNDS THE BILL |
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I DON'T KNOW. HE FUNDS IT THROUGH HIS FOUNDATIONS. I NEVER STOPPED TO STUDY IT, BUT IT'S CONSIDERABLE.... |
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HE FUNDS IT THROUGH HIS FOUNDATION? |
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HE FUNDS IT THROUGH FOUNDATIONS THAT HE HAS RELATIONSHIPS WITH. HE RAISES MON MONEY FOR THE SHOW ... |
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IS THERE ANY ACCOUNTABILITY ON WHO GETS THE MONEY IN THE END, HOW MUCH THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE... |
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WELL, NO, NOT BECAUSE THEY STAY WITH THE GOFF ACCOUNTABILITY COMMISSION ON OVERSITE. |
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DOES THE GOVERNMENT KNOW WHERE THE MONIES GO? |
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NO. I WILL CERTAINLY ASK THEM NEXT WEEK. |
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HERE IS BILL MOYERS. |
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BILL TOMLINSON HAD A MESSAGE WRITTEN IN PART BY HIS SIDE KICK AND SOULMATE, PAT MACKINNON WHO SAID... |
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I ALWAYS KNEW NIXON WOULD BE BACK. AGAIN AND AGAIN, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS TIME HE WOULD ASK... |
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WELL, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS A MEASURE OF FIVE PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT THE MOYERS' PROGRAM WAS JOURNALISTICALLY... |
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THE "WASHINGTON POST", ON JULY 17 THERE IS A QUOTE AND IT SAYS -- I HAVEN'T DONE A STUDY BUT MY PERCEPTION... |
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MY CONCERN WAS NOT THIS PROGRAM ACTUALLY. FRONT LINE DOES SOME OUTSTANDING JOURNALISM. TAVIS SMILEY... |
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IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TAKE THEM OFF THE AIR, THEN WHAT ARE THEY UPSET ABOUT? |
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THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. INITIALLY, I THINK THIS WAS ABOUT FUND RAISING. ONE OF THE BEST WAYS... |
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IF YOU GET ON THE WEB SITES AND LOOK AT THE BOARDS OF DIRECTORS OF EITHER THE LOCAL STATION HERE IN... |
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SHARON ROCK FELLER IS ONE OF THE GREAT FIGURES IN PUBLIC BROADCASTING. SHE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN... |
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WHY HASN'T SHE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR BEING A POLITICAL PERSON IN A JOB LIKE THAT? |
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WELL, SHE IS VERY BALANCED IN HER OWN WAY. SURE, SHE SUPPORTS HER HUSBAND. HER FATHER IS IN POLITICS... |
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SENATOR CHUCK PERCY FROM ILLINOIS. |
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BUT SHARON ROCKEFELLER IS A VERY BALANCED PERSON. SHE UNDERSTANDS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT A REAL PRIORITY... |
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BESIDES A VERY POLITICAL PERSON BEING |
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HEAD OF A LOCAL PUBLIC STATION, ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, A LARGE BOARD, SOME 30 PEOPLE. YOU HAVE... |
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OH, SURE. |
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AND YOU ALSO HAVE DIANE BOGMAN OF THE WIFE OF THE SECRETARY OF ENERGY, STAN BOGMAN. I WONDER, AGAIN,... |
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MAYBE SO, BUT ALSO THERE IS A TRADITION IN THIS COUNTRY OF PUBLIC SERVICE, AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE... |
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DOES IT PAY OFF, HAVE YOU NOTICED ON CAPITOL HILL, WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE THERE? |
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OF COURSE, IT DOES. |
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WHAT ABOUT ONTO PBS BOARD, FOR INSTANCE? YOU HAVE THE VITE CHAIRMAN AS THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE... |
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I'M NOT SURE. HE'S AN OUTSTANDING PERSON. I HAVE WORKED WITH HIM WHEN I WAS HEAD OF VOICE OF AMERICA,... |
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DO THEY? |
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I THINK WE SHOULD DO MORE QUIETLY. IZ FRIED TO -- I TRIED TO WORK QUIETLY, BUT I DO THINK FOR THE... |
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WERE YOU DISAPPOINTING WHEN CONGRESS REINSTATED $100 MILLION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CUT, REPUBLICANS... |
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I AGREE WITH SENATOR STEVENS ON THAT. I WAS NOT DISED WHEN THAT MONEY WAS RESTORED BECAUSE WE HAVE... |
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CONTINUING OUR QUIET DEBATE HERE WITH BILL MOYERS, HERE IS MORE FROM HIS MAY SPEECH IN ST. LOUIS.... |
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I NEVER IMAGINED THAT ANY CPB CHAIRMAN, DEMOCRAT OR REP REPUBLICAN, WOULD CROSS THE LINE FROM RESISTING... |
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TRUE? |
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NO ONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS EVER ASKED ME TO INFLUENCE PUBLIC BROADCASTING PROGRAMS, NO ONE. THIS... |
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YOU NERVE HER A CONVERSATION WITH THIS WHITE HOUSE OR ANY OTHER WHITE HOUSE FOR BALANCE ABOUT ANY... |
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ON PROGRAMMING THAT SHOULD BE ON PUBLIC TELEVISION, THE ONLY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BALANCE HAVE BEEN INCIDENTAL... |
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BILL MOYERS MIGHT SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE YOU ARE SO STRONGLY COMMITTED TO GEORGE BUSH. |
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I'M STRONGLY COMMITTED TO GEORGE BUSH. I'M ALSO STRONGLY COMMITTED TO BALANCE IN PUBLIC BROADCASTING.... |
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HE WAS UPSET ABOUT THE FACT THAT DURING THE RECENT CONTROVERSY PLUCK TELEVISION AND RADIO STATIONS... |
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I AGREED WITH THEIR POSITION, BUT I THINK PUBLIC BROADCASTING SHOULD BE DASH AND I'D HAVE TO REVIEW... |
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YOU USED TO HAVE THE TUCKER CARLSON SHOW. DID THE STATIONS CARRY THAT ONE? |
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I'D HAVE TO CHECK. NOT SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL." |
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RICHARD CARLSON USED TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF CPB AND NOW SERVES ON THE WTB BOARD. DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING... |
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THAT WAS A PAT MITCHELL DECISION. BUT HE'S GONE TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS WITH MSNBC. |
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LET'S WATCH MORE BILL MOYERS. |
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HE DENIED HE'S CARRYING OUT A WHITE HOUSE MANDATE OR HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH ANY BUSH OFFICIAL ABOUT... |
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THAT STREW? |
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THAT IS ABSOLUTELY REPLETE |
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LIKE WHAT? |
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FOR EXAMPLE, I CALLED KARL ROVE ONLY AFTER LOBBYISTS FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING IMPLIED THAT HIS OFFICE... |
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WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT, DIANE BLAIR WAS A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND OF HIS. WAS THERE ANY CONTROVERSY... |
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ABSOLUTELY NOT. DIANE BLAIR, WHO IS WONDERFUL PERSON -- SHE'S DEAD NOW. SHE STAYED AT THE WHITE HOUSE... |
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THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COPY WRITTEN. BUT TO GET THE EXTREMES ON IT, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO BE TO THE WESTBOUND... |
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THEY GO ON TO SAY -- |
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THAT'S THE PURIST LIBERTAN VIEW. |
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I DON'T. BUT I RESPECT THEIR POINT OF VIEW AND I THINK THEY HAVE AN ARGUMENT. AS I SAID, I THINK... |
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THE BERKOWITZ NEWTON COLUMN SAYS ALSO -- |
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I READ SOMEWHERE IN ALL THIS STUFF THAT YOU GAVE $1 MILLION TO PACIFICA RADIO FOUNDATION. IS THAT... |
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PACIFICA HAS BEEN SUPPORTED IN THE PAST BY CPB. I'D HAVE TO CHECK WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS IS. |
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WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU SUPPORTED A RIGHT WING RADIO NETWORK LIKE THAT? |
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THERE WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE REVOLUTION IN PUBLIC BROADCASTING. |
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WHY DO YOU SUPPORT A LEFT WING ORGANIZATION? |
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BECAUSE WE TRADITIONALLY DID SO AND NO ONE WANTED TO PULL IT BACK. WE HAD BEEN VERY GENTILE IN OUR... |
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ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I FOUND ON THE WEB GOES WAY BACK TO 1978. THERE WAS A BILL SPONSORED BY PEOPLE... |
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WHY? I MEAN, THERE IS A WORD PUBLIC IN ALL OF THAT. WHY IS THERE SO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED IN PUBLIC... |
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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND WHEN THEY GET OVER LOOKING AT MY LIGHT $10,000 GRANTS TO HIRE CONSULT ANTS,... |
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HERE IS MORE FROM BILL MOYERS, MAY IN ST. LOUIS. |
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I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MR. TOMLINSON THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. BUT I CAN'T. ACCORDING TO A BOOK WRITTEN... |
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TRUE? |
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"READER'S DIGEST" TRADITIONAL WAS A CENTER RIGHT MAGAZINE. I'M PROUD OF THE STAFF THAT WE HAD AT "READER'S... |
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BUT ARE YOU SURROUNDING YOURSELF WITH RIGHT WINGERS AT THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING? |
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NO, NOT SURROUNDING. I'VE BROUGHT IN ONE OR TWO PEOPLES. |
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ARE THERE LIBBRALS THERE ALSO? |
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I THINK THERE ARE. |
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ARE THERE CONSERVATIVES AT PBS? |
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I HAVEN'T RUN INTO ANY. |
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WHY? |
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I THINK THAT TRADITIONALLY MORE LIBERAL PEOPLE TEND TO GRAVITATE TO PUBLIC BROADCASTING AND THIS IS... |
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HERE IS MORE FROM BILL MOYERS. |
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WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS A YEAR AGO. WE JUST LEARNED IT FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES" TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT ... |
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YOU SEE, THAT'S THE THING. I DID WATCH THE SHOW. BUT IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH PAT MITCHELL, THERE WAS... |
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BUT SHOULDN'T HE BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, THOUGH? |
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ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE PROBLEM WAS FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS HE WAS THERE VIRTUALLY ALONE. FOR A FULL HOUR.... |
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LET'S KEEP GOING WITH BILL MOYERS. HERE IS ANOTHER CLIP. |
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BUT HAVING SENT THAT CASH, WHAT DID HE FIND? ONLY MR. TOMLINSON KNOWS. HE'S APPARENTLY -- HE APPARENTLY... |
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WHEN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE BOARD OF PBS DECIDED THAT, LIKE A NEWSPAPER OP ED PAGE, "FRIDAY NIGHT"... |
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IS THIS THE WAY CONSERVATIVES THINK OF PUBLIC TELEVISION. THIS IS FROM THE MURDOCK PUBLICATION AND... |
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IS THAT THE WAY YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT PUBLIC TELEVISION? |
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THERE IS A MINORITY OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN PUBLIC TELEVISION WHO HAVE BEEN I THINK ABSOLUTELY SHAMELESS... |
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YOU THINK YOU'RE WINNING OR LOSING THIS? |
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I THINK WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. BY DOING THE RIGHT THING, IN THE END, WE WILL BE SEEN AS HAVING... |
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PAT MITCHELL WAS ON OUR CALL-IN SHOW. THE DATE WAS IN JUNE. I CAN'T REMEMBER -- I THINK IT WAS BEFORE... |
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I TAKE KEN TOMLINSON AT HIS WORD. BECAUSE WHY DO ELSE? HE SAID HE WAS SPEAKING OUT BECAUSE HE WANTED... |
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MARK TWAIN WAS ALWAYS VERY SKEPTCAL OF PEOPLE THROWING AROUND FIGURES. IN THIS CASE, I APPRECIATE... |
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HOW BIG OF TROUBLE IS IT IN? |
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I THINK THAT THE PROBLEMS ARE NOT SO MUCH CRITICAL AT THIS MOMENT BUT CERTAINLY LOOKING AT THE NEXT... |
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AND THEY GOT $250 MILLION FROM -- |
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THAT HELPED. |
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IS ANYTHING IN THE WORK FOR PBS? |
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I THINK THEY WISH SOMETHING HAD BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR THAT A LONG TIME AGO. WE AT CPB HAVE BEEN WORKING... |
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WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO BILL MOYERS AGAIN. |
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YOU'RE KILLING ME, BRIAN. |
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HE'S ENTITLED TO HIS OPINION. HE'S ENTITLED TO HIS POLITICS. HE'S ENTIRED TO CONTRIBUTE EXCLUSIVELY... |
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I AM ENTITLED TO EXAMINE A PROGRAM LIKE "NOW" AND SAY ONLY THE LIBERAL POINT OF VIEW IS REPRESENTED.... |
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WHY ARE YOU ENTITLED TO CRITICAL BIAS AS HE SAYS? |
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THAT'S WHERE WE DIFFER. I AM ENTITLE TO RAISE THIS AS A PUBLIC ISSUE. I RACED IT QUIETLY WITHIN THE... |
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BUT SOME COULD MAKE THE CASE YOU'VE LOST THIS THING FINANCIAL, THAT THE CONGRESS IS GOING TO RESTORE... |
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I WAS FOR RESTORING THAT MONEY. |
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AND YOU GOT THEM ALL THIS POLICITY ALONG THE WAY. |
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PUBLIC TELEVISION NEEDS TO BE THINKING ABOUT ITS FUTURE. WE NEED TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT FEDERAL SUPPORT... |
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I'M LOOKING AT A JERLED M STARR PIECE, DECEMBER 2004. HE'S AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO CULTURAL POLICY... |
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IF YOU PUT ALL THOSE PROGRAMS ON, AND THEY'RE NOT ALL ON BY ANY MEANS, THEN YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING... |
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WE STARTED THIS BY TALKING ABOUT A DEBATE PROPOSED BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO... |
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RIGHT. |
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WE JUST HAD KIND OF A PASSIVE DEBATE HERE. BUT WHY WOULDN'T THEY BENEFIT? |
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NOW THAT IT'S RAISED, I'M OF COURSE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH IT AND I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO DOING SO.... |
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WHEN DO YOU STEP DOWN AS CHAIRMAN? |
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THIS SEPTEMBER. |
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WHEN DO YOU LEAVE THE BOARD? |
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MY TERM GOES THROUGH NEXT YEAR. |
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MEANING ALL OF 2006? |
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YES. |
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WE'RE OUT OF TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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IT WAS AN HONOR TO BE HERE WITH YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. |
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