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I HAVE TO LEAVE IT THAT WAY. THANKS FOR JOINING US. WE GO TO DAY TWO OF DR. RICE'S CONFIRMATION HEARING.... |
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GOOD MORNING. |
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THIS HEARING OF THE SENATE FORMAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE IS CALLED TO ORDER. WE APPRECIATE THE ATTENDANCE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET ME JOIN YOU IN COMMENDING OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE COMMITTEE ... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR. MAY I TAKE ONE MOMENT BEFORE ANSWERING IT IS QUESTION JUST TO ALSO THANK THE MEMBERS... |
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GREAT. |
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SENATOR, NOW LET ME TURN TO SENATOR DODD'S QUESTION. THE UNITED STATES IS NOT PERMITTED TO TRANSFER... |
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IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THAT. |
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I WILL. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT AT SOME POINT WHEN WE'RE NOT IN OPEN SESSION. |
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THIS MAY BE THE LAST, MR. CHAIRMAN, SO WE HAVE TIME FOR OTHERS AS WELL. WE MENTIONED EARLIER, SENATOR... |
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I WILL TAKE A HARD LOOK AT IT. WE HAD IN CONCEPT, WHEN WE HAD THE INITIATIVE EXACTLY THIS IN MIND,... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR DODD. MANY SENATORS HAVE COME IN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING. WE'LL HAVE... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD MORNING. DR. RICE. I SEE YOU'RE FOURTH IN LINE FOR SUCCESSION TO THE... |
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THANK YOU. |
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GOING BACK TO OUR QUESTIONS OF FINDING -- MY QUESTIONS FROM YESTERDAY, FINDING COMMON GROUND, AND... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR, FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO LOOK... |
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CAN WE SPECIFICALLY GO BACK TO VENEZUELA AGAIN? WHERE CAN WE FIND COMMON GROUND? |
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WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY -- WE TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP YESTERDAY, AND THERE'S COMMON GROWNTD... |
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AND WITH IRAN, CAN YOU -- IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL FOR FINDING COMMON GROUND WITH IRAN? |
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WELL, I THINK THE PROBLEMS WITH IRAN ARE WELL KNOWN, AND WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THEM KNOWN TO THE IRANIAN... |
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IT SEEMS TO ME, GOING BACK INTO HISTORY, THE SAME OCCURRENCES WERE WITH THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA... |
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SENATOR, LET ME JUST MAKE THE FOLLOWING POINT. YOU KNOW, WHEN THE FORM FOR THE FUTURE WAS HELD, THE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW MY TIME IS UP. I'LL JUST SAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND YESTERDAY... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR CHAFEE. SENATOR BIDEN. |
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MADAME SECRETARY, YOU HAD A LONG DAY YESTERDAY, AND -- BUT YOU'VE GOT MANY LONG DAYS AHEAD OF YOU... |
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SENATOR, I'LL BE BRIEF. THE QUESTION ABOUT IRAN, I THINK, IS A QUESTION OF LOOKING AT THE TOTALITY... |
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IF THEY GAVE US THAT DEAL, WOULD WE SIGN IT? |
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IF THE IEANIANS ARE READY TO GET RID OF THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM, THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD DAY, AND... |
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I WISH WE HAD A COURT REPORTER TO PLAY BACK WHAT YOU JUST SAID. WHAT'S THE ANSWER? WOULD YOU MAKE... |
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THE ANSWER, SENATOR, IS I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO HYPOTHETICAL THET CALS UNTIL I KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING... |
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YOU'RE IN A HYPOTHETICAL WITH CHINA, YOU MAKE A LOT OF DEALS WITH CHINA. |
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I UNDERSTAND. |
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THEIR SUPPORT IS HORRIBLE. THEIR PROBLEMS WITH US ARE SERIOUS. I MEAN, I DON'T GET IT. WHY CAN'T YOU... |
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SENATOR, WHAT WE HAVE SAID TO THE IRANIANS IS LOOK AT THE LIBYAN EXAMPLE, THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T... |
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AND LOOK AT THE LIBYAN EXAMPLE AND LOOK ATTICA DOFFY'S ROLE RIGHT NOW ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN HIS COUNTRY.... |
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WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE LIBYAN EXAMPLE IS THE LIBYANS MAKE AN IRREVERSIBLE, WE BELIEVE, DECISION ABOUT... |
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THAT'S NOT WHAT -- I ASKED HIM WHY HE MADE THE DEAL, STRAIGHT UP. THE STATE DEPARTMENT WAS IN THERE.... |
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LET ME TURN BRIEFLY TO THE LESSONS LEARNED IN LIBYA. AS I SAID, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF DECISIONS IN THIS... |
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I APPRECIATE THAT. |
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AND THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. |
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LIKE I TOLD MY DAUGHTER, HAVE I NO DOUBT -- WHEN SHE WAS 18 -- 16, NO DOUBT BY THE TIME SHE WAS 30... |
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OH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. |
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I'M TALKING ABOUT PAIN HERE. |
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WELL, I'M AFRAID IN DIFFICULT HISTORICAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF IT, AND A LOT... |
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ALL WE WANT TO KNOW IS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PACE IT WITH THE 15 BILLION BUCKS THAT'S OUT THERE NOW... |
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WE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT, SENATOR. |
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DO YOU TO WANT TELL US? |
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THAT SPENDING IS ACCELERATING, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU A FULL ACCOUNTING OF IT NEXT TIME I SEE... |
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GOD BLESS YOU. BY THE WAY, MY DAUGHTER IS 23. SHE THINKS I'M HANDSOME AND SMART AGAIN. ALL IS WELL.... |
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ALL IS WELL. |
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AND SHE'S RIGHT. |
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WE BETTER STRAIGHTEN HER OUT. |
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YEAH, THANKS, PAL. |
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SENATOR COLEMAN. |
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I'VE GOT ONE AT 27, AND I'M STILL GOING THROUGH A LOT OF PAIN. |
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TWO COMMENTS, DR. RICE. ONE, WITH ALL THE TALK ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY BILLS, THE THINGS THAT IMPACT... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR COLEMAN. SENATOR FEINGOLD. |
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THANK YOU. DR. RICE, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU. I'M STRUCK WITH THE CONVERSATION... |
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THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION, SENATOR, AND IT'S A HARD QUESTION. AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE MEASURING... |
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I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. LET ME -- I RECOGNIZE HOW IMPERFECT IT IS, AND I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO... |
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AGAIN, A VERY IMPORTANT POINT. THE WHOLE CONCEPT, ESSENTIALLY THE OF PART OF THE EMERGENCY PLAN THAT... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR FEINGOLD. SENATOR HAGLE? |
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NO. |
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HAGLE PASSES. SENATOR BOXER. |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR, FOR BEING SO FAIR. THANK YOU, DR. RICE, FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN,... |
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PROCEED. |
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OKAY. WHEN YOU WERE MAKING THE CASE FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID THAT, FRANKLY,... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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THANK YOU. I'LL BE BRIEF. SENATOR BOXER, LET ME RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC POINTS VERY BRIEFLY,... |
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THAT'S RIGHT. |
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AND IT WAS A PROVISION, OF COURSE, WITH WHICH WE WOULD HAVE HAD NO DIFFICULTY, WHICH WAS ONE THAT... |
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DR. RICE, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY, BUT YOUR LETTER DIDN'T SAY -- |
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NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. |
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THE ONE PROVISION -- BUT THEY COULD HAVE KEPT THAT ONE PROVISION. |
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YES. WE DECIDED, YOU'RE RIGHT, NOT TO TRY AND PART. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT YOU DID NOT... |
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OF COURSE I DIDN'T, BOUGHT THEY COULD HAVE KEPT THAT. YOU DIDN'T TELL THEM TO KEEP THAT. |
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BUT THE IMPRESSION WAS LEFT THAT WHAT WE OBJECTED TO WAS |
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BUT YOU DID. |
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WHEN, IN FACT, THERE WERE SEVERAL. |
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WELL, YOU DID YESTERDAY OBJECT TO IT. YOU SAID IT WAS DUPLICATIVE. |
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NO, I SAID IT WAS IN THE DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION BILL. BUT I JUST WANT FOR THE RECORD IT TO BE NOTED... |
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THANK YOU. |
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SO THE CONTEXT HERE WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. SECONDLY, LET ME JUST RESPOND VERY BRIEFLY, SENATOR BOXER,... |
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NO. THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SAID THEY DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THE TUBES WERE EVIDENCE OF RECONSTITUTION,... |
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IF I COULD, AND I KNOW I'M TAKING A LOT OF TIME, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SPEAK AGAIN, BUT I WOULD... |
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AND BALANCING EQUIPMENT, AND THE ACCOUNTS OUT OF WHICH HE KEPT THESE CAME, AND KEEPING NUCLEAR SCIENTISTS... |
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YES, MY POINT, LET'S HAVE THE ENTIRE PICTURE. WHEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT ALUMINUM TUBES, YOU TALKED ABOUT... |
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MAY I JUST CLOSE BY SAYING, SENATOR BOXER, I PROBABLY MORE THAN MOST, BECAUSE I DID HAVE A ROLE IN... |
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THEY ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD. |
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I WILL ANSWER. |
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THEY PROBABLY HAVE BEEN ANSWERED IN THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE RECORD, SO IT WILL NOT BE DIFFICULT,... |
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I AM HAPPY TO DO IT, SENATOR. WE WILL GET THEM BACK TO YOU SHORTLY. |
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NOW, COMPELLING QUESTIONS, I SEE SENATOR NELSON RAISE HIS HAND. ARE THERE ANY ON THIS SIDE THAT FEEL... |
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AND THERE MAY BE CLOSING STATEMENTS, NOT QUESTIONS, BEFORE THE ACTUAL VOTE, WHICH WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.... |
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THAT COULD BE A PART OF THE REST OF OUR BUSINESS. |
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YES. |
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WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT. ALL RIGHT. SENATOR NELSON. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST PICKING UP ON A THEME THAT WAS HIT HERE, THAT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY,... |
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SENATOR, I'M SORRY. I DON'T REMEMBER THE BRIEFING, WHAT WAS SAID AT THE BRIEFING. I DON'T EVEN KNOW... |
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WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, SINCE WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD, WHICH HAS BEEN THE THEME OF MY... |
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WELL, I WILL CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE I.N.R., WHICH IS HEADED BY A SECRETARY WHO I HAVE KNOWN FOR 20-PLUS... |
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10 SECONDS. |
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OF COURSE. |
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WILL YOU TELL US THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, IF WE ASK YOU? |
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WELL, OF COURSE, AND YOU WILL KNOW, BECAUSE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY ALWAYS FIGHTS ANY DISSENT.... |
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NO, BUT YOU AS SECRETARY OF STATE, WILL YOU TELL US IF WE DON'T ASK YOU, WE DON'T KNOW TO ASK YOU,... |
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FROM THE I.N.R., OF COURSE. |
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THAT'S THE POINT, THAT WE FELT LIKE THAT. WE DIDN'T KNOW TO ASK BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD ABOUT THESE U.A.V.'S,... |
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ABSOLUTELY, AND WE WILL LOOK |
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OK. AND MY FINAL STATEMENT, JUST A LITTLE THING THAT NOBODY EVER RECOGNIZES RECOLLECT BUT BECAUSE... |
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I WILL. |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR NELSON. I WILL CALL UPON SENATOR OBAMA, BECAUSE SENATOR CHAFFEE HAS HAD... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF. THE FIRST QUESTION, I GUESS, I HAVE IS... |
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I AM. I WILL NOTE THAT THE POLICE TRAINING IS ACTUALLY UNDER THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT. |
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I UNDERSTAND. |
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MILITARY. |
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REQUIRE ADDITIONAL COMMITMENT FROM SECRETARY RUMSFELD. |
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I WILL TALK TO SECRETARY RUMSFELD ABOUT IT, AND I AM CERTAIN THAT WE CAN BE RESPONSIVE TO THE CONCERNS.... |
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OK. THE SECOND -- I GUESS THIS IS MORE OF A POINT RATHER THAN A QUESTION, BUT I AM HAPPY TO SOLICIT... |
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THANK YOU. LET ME JUST PERHAPS -- YOU HAVE A COMMENT, BUT LET ME JUST, I HAVE NO DIFFICULTY TELLING... |
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WHICH I RESPECT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT IN YOUR ROLE AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR. |
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WELL, BUT IN MY ROLE AS SECRETARY, I WANT IT TO BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT I STILL BELIEVE THAT WE... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SENATOR CHAFFEE. |
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THANK YOU, ONCE AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM SENATOR... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR CHAFFEE. REQUESTED BY SENATE RANKING MEMBER FOR AT LEAST ONE FINAL COMMENT OR STATEMENT... |
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DR. RICE, I SUSPECT YOUR PRESS OFFICE HAS BEEN ASKED BY THE PRESS, AS OFTEN AS I HAVE IN THE LAST... |
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I ONLY WANT TO SAY, SENATOR, THAT WE TALKED YESTERDAY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE 120,000 IS STRENGTH,... |
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WHAT IS YOUR OVERALL ASSESSMENT? |
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I THINK THAT WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE TRAINING. I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT. THAT IS WHY... |
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IN TRUTH, THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED IN 19 MONTHS. |
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WELL, THAT PIECE OF IT HAS CHANGED, BECAUSE THE COPS WERE TAKING A REAL BEATING, BUT IN ANY CASE,... |
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THAT TRANSLATES, THEN, THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP AMERICAN FORCES IN LARGE NUMBERS THERE FOR AT LEAST SIX... |
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WELL, SENATOR, WE CAN -- LET'S HAVE THIS DISCUSSION LATER. I WILL SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THE STANDARD... |
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I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT HERE. |
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I DON'T KNOW IF THE STANDARD IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ONE FOR ONE, REPLACE AMERICAN SOLDIERS.... |
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WHAT IS YOUR STANDARD? YOU TELL ME YOUR STANDARD. |
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MY STANDARD IS THAT THEY ARE ABLE AND CAPABLE OF CARRYING OUT THE TASKS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DEAL... |
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AS LONG AS THEY DO IT, SO WE CAN COME HOME. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR BIDEN. DR. RICE, AS YOU CAN TELL, WE ARE A COMMITTEE CONCERNED ABOUT THE... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR. RICE. |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR BIDEN, THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. |
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THESE ARE DIFFICULT TIMES, DIFFICULT MATTERS. I THINK YOU SHOW PATIENCE, AND YOU SHOW A SPIRIT OF... |
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PLACED INTO THE RECORD. |
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SO A LACK OF CANDOR IN THE PAST IS BAD ENOUGH, AND HERE WE HAVE A CONTINUING ASSAULT ON REALITY. ... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, AND SENATOR BIDEN, FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING LEADERSHIP OF THIS COMMITTEE.... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR STEWARDSHIP OF THESE HEARINGS. THEY HAVE... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR KERRY. LET ME JUST MAKE A PERSONAL COMMENT. PART OF DR. RICE'S RESPBILITIES WHICH... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET ME AS I PRESUME OTHERS MAY NOT WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC STATEMENTS HERE TODAY... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR. SENATOR BIDEN. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THANK DR. RICE IN ABSTENTIONA FOR -- ABSENTIA FOR BEING HERE AS LONG AS IT... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR BIDEN. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT VOTE AND I HOPE WE ARE PREPARED FOR THE VOTE. IF SO... |
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MR. HAGEL. |
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EYE. |
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EYE. |
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MR. ALLEN. |
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EYE. |
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MR. COLEMAN. |
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EYE. |
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MR. VOINOVICH. |
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VOTES EYE BY PROXY. |
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MR. ALEXANDER. |
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EYE. |
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MR.CY NEW NEW,Y. |
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. -- AYE. |
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MR. BIDEN. AYE. |
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MR. SARBANES. |
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MR. DODD. |
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AYE. |
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MR. KERRY. |
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NO. |
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MR. FEINGOLD. |
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AYE. |
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MRS. BOXER. |
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NO. |
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MR. NELSON. |
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AYE. |
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MR. OBAMA. |
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AYE. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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AYE. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE TALLY THE COUNT. |
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16 YEAS. TUINEIS. |
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-- TWO NAYS. |
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THE COMMITTEE VOTES TO REPORT THE NOMINATION TO THE SENATE FLOOR. I THANK ALL SENATORS. |
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