Secretary of State Nomination Hearing, Day 1 PM

Jan 18, 2005

Senate Committee Foreign Relations

Ms. Rice testified about her nomination as secretary of state in the second Bush administration. Among the issues she addressed were cooperation with allies and building international coalitions, tensions in the Middle East and the impact of U.S. foreign policy on the entire region, efforts to combat global terrorism, global issues in the post .. Read More
Ms. Rice testified about her nomination as secretary of state in the second Bush administration. Among the issues she addressed were cooperation with allies and building international coalitions, tensions in the Middle East and the impact of U.S. foreign policy on the entire region, efforts to combat global terrorism, global issues in the post Cold War world, and her qualifications for the position. She also answered questions about other foreign policy concerns and public opinion of the U.S. around the world.

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00:00:06 Unidentified Speaker AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO LIVE TO THE HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING. SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE...
00:00:22 Unidentified Speaker HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND GET ON THE TABLE. ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT IS REALLY QUITE PARAMOUNT...
00:02:09 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR. WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF ISSUES, AND...
00:05:58 Unidentified Speaker WE ALSO HAD A CHANCE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ARCTIC COUNCIL. THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A QUESTION...
00:07:46 Unidentified Speaker IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT THE BROADER QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED. AND I...
00:08:56 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CULTIVATED IN ORDER TO WORK...
00:09:24 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IN FACT, IT MAY BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE DO OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WE'VE...
00:12:39 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.
00:12:42 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR. SENATOR NELSON?
00:12:44 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. RICE. SENATOR DODD AND CHAFEY AND I JUST RETURNED FROM VISITING WITH...
00:16:16 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I BELIEVE THAT THE NUMBER THAT HAS BEEN DETERMINED, 6 CENTER 700 OR SO LED BY BRAZIL AS A STABILIZATION...
00:17:49 Unidentified Speaker THE PROBLEM IS THEY NEVER FOLLOW THROUGH.
00:17:51 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I AGREE. WE HAVE TO PRESS VERY HARD ON PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE PLEDGES THAT THEY...
00:17:58 Unidentified Speaker AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 200 YEARS OF HAITI'S HISTORY. NOW, WHEN THE U.N. COMES UP FOR REAUTHORIZING...
00:18:36 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED TO NOW ON TRYING TO STABILIZE THE SITUATION. THE BRAZILIANS HAVE DONE...
00:19:40 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THEN I WANT TO SUGGEST SOMETHING TO YOU, AND IT'S A BILL THAT IS SPONSORED BY ONE OF OUR REPUBLICAN...
00:20:20 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I THINK WE BELIEVE AT THIS POINT THAT THE BEST COURSE WITH HAITI IS TO WORK WITH THEM TO...
00:21:28 Unidentified Speaker MADAM, AS SECRETARY YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU'LL JUMP ON THAT HORSE AND RIDE IT AND KEEP ON...
00:22:14 Unidentified Speaker WELL, SENATOR, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO APPROACH BOTH MULTI-LATERALLY AND THROUGH SOME...
00:22:53 Unidentified Speaker ARE YOU READY FOR SANCTIONS?
00:22:55 Unidentified Speaker WELL, REALREADY HAVE AN ALL OF LOT OF SANCTIONS ON IRAN. THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE --
00:23:00 Unidentified Speaker HOW ABOUT GETTING EUROPE TO GO ALONG?
00:23:03 Unidentified Speaker WELL, SENATOR, I WOULD TAKE AS A FIRST STEP THAT IF THE IRANIANS DO NOT SHOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO...
00:24:34 Unidentified Speaker HOPEFULLY SOONER THAN LATER.
00:24:35 Unidentified Speaker I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.
00:24:37 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR NELSON. SENATOR ALEXANDER.
00:24:41 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. RICE, WELCOME. CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I...
00:31:15 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR. LET ME TAKE THE FIRST OF THOSE AND I WILL TRY TO SEGUE AS YOU DID SO WELL INTO...
00:39:00 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT MY ENTIRE STATEMENT IN THE RECORD, AND IF I MAY JUST...
00:39:36 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, SENATOR ALEXANDER. AS YOU CAN TELL, DR. RICE, THE COMMITTEE IS FORCED TO HAVE...
00:40:36 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. FIRST LET ME SAY HOW GRATEFUL I AM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ...
00:43:51 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
00:43:54 Unidentified Speaker FIRST OF ALL, ON NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION, LET ME JUST SAY THAT BROADLY, OUR STRATEGY HAS BEEN REALLY...
00:45:05 Unidentified Speaker IS THE RESISTANCE ON THOSE REFORMS COMING SIMPLY FROM COUNTRIES IN THE MIDST OF DEVELOPMENT OR ARE...
00:45:23 Unidentified Speaker IT IS COMING FROM COUNTRIES WHO WANT TO MAINTAIN THE ACCESS TO THEIR ENTIRE CIVILIAN NUCLEAR CYCLE,...
00:47:55 Unidentified Speaker BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, THOUGH, IS ALSO THAT AT THE CURRENT SCHEDULE, WE WILL BE STRETCHING THIS PROCESS...
00:48:28 Unidentified Speaker WE DO, BY THE WAY, HAVE A CLASS SCHEDULED FOR FOUR YEARS. WE WILL SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THAT DONE,...
00:48:38 Unidentified Speaker THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE, AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REPEATEDLY COMES UP, AS I TRAVEL THROUGH...
00:50:40 Unidentified Speaker THE NUMBERS THAT WE CONSIDER TRAINED SOCIAL SECURITY 120,000. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO GIVE A NUMBER...
00:53:03 Unidentified Speaker OURS?
00:53:05 Unidentified Speaker EVEN FOR OUR FORCES, AND WHILE WE WANT TO ACCELERATE THE TRAINING OF THE FORCES, WE DON'T WANT TO...
00:53:30 Unidentified Speaker MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW MY TIME IS UP. I WOULD JUST MAKE THIS NOTE THAT IF OUR MEASURE IS TO BRING OUR...
00:54:10 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, IF I MAY JUST, TO THAT POINT, I WANT TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO COMPLETE...
00:55:12 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR OBAMA. I WANTED TO UNDERLINE THE SENATOR'S POINT AND YOU HAVE IN YOUR...
00:57:05 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR.
00:57:12 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR COCHAIRMANSHIP WITH SENATOR BIDEN ON A SUCCESSFUL EFFORT.
00:57:18 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I SUPPOSE IT'S LARGELY DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU CHOSE ME. IMA VERY GRATEFUL...
00:59:41 Unidentified Speaker THAT WAS MY SECOND QUESTION IS WHAT CAN THE ARAB STATES DO TO HELP? OBVIOUSLY WITH 45 OR $50 A BARREL...
01:00:35 Unidentified Speaker IT APPEARS TO ME THAT BOTH OF THE EGYPTIANS AND THE JORDANIANS WILL PROBABLY HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY. ...
01:01:59 Unidentified Speaker IN ADDITION TO THE VALUE OF THAT STATEMENT, I WOULD MENTION THAT ONE OF THE THINS THAT CAME UP TIME...
01:03:26 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THANK YOU. I WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT. I HAVEN'T TAKEN A LOOK AT. THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE...
01:04:55 Unidentified Speaker FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST PARTNERSHIP. THIS IS A NEW WAY...
01:05:39 Unidentified Speaker THE BROADER QUESTION IS THERE NEEDS TO BE BROADER COORDINATION BETWEEN USAID AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT....
01:07:43 Unidentified Speaker THE JORDANIAN FREE TRADE AND THE INITIATIVES FROM MORROCCO HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO...
01:08:32 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH:
01:08:34 Unidentified Speaker MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT IS A GREAT HONOR TO BE PART OF YOUR COMMITTEE. I LOOK FORWARD...
01:12:06 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO VIEW AT THIS POINT THE GOVERNMENT OF VENEZUELA AS A NEGATIVE...
01:14:26 Unidentified Speaker IN RELATION TO CUBA, I KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT PUTS FORTH A VERY BROAD POLICY TOWARDS CUBA IN MAY...
01:16:24 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THE INFORMATION FLOW TO CUBA IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOOL FOR US, BECAUSE CASTRO WOULD LIKE NOTHING...
01:17:41 Unidentified Speaker YOU HAVE IN THE PAST, AND I KNOW YOU WILL IN THE FUTURE.
01:17:42 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
01:17:43 Unidentified Speaker SHIFTING TO THE MIDDLE EAST, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRAVEL THERE RECENTLY, AND ALSO SAW THE PALESTINIAN...
01:18:24 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY. RESOLUTION 1546 WHICH WE AND THE FRENCH COSPONSORED TO PUT THE SYRIANS ON NOTICE THAT...
01:20:15 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS POINT, I WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION AND WILL NOT LET THIS BECOME...
01:21:04 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I'M WILLING TO STAY HERE LONGER THAN THE AFTERNOON.
01:21:08 Unidentified Speaker YOU MAY BE MORE PREPARED THAN ALL OF OUR MEMBERS, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I WILL NOT DEBATING THAT EITHER...
01:21:25 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR COLEMAN.
01:21:28 Unidentified Speaker FIVE, BUT I WOULD FOREGO MY FIVE IF WE CAME TO A CONSENSUS.
01:21:37 Unidentified Speaker I CAN BE VERY FLEXIBLE.
01:21:38 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. I READ THAT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 40 MINUTES. PLUS OR MINUS A FEW. SENATOR BIDEN.
01:21:49 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE AT LEAST TEN MINUTES.
01:21:50 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR SARBANESS.
01:21:52 Unidentified Speaker ANOTHER ROUND.
01:21:53 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER TEN. SENATOR DODD.
01:21:57 Unidentified Speaker TEN OR 15 MINUTES.
01:21:59 Unidentified Speaker MS. BOXER?
01:22:00 Unidentified Speaker TEN MINUTES.
01:22:01 Unidentified Speaker ABOUT TWO HOURS?
01:22:05 Unidentified Speaker TWO ROUNDS!
01:22:06 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. SENATOR OBAMA.
01:22:08 Unidentified Speaker ANOTHER 20 MINUTES.
01:22:12 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST 70 MINUTES OR SOMENT. IT LOOKS LIKE -- AND SENATOR MCKOS SKI, HOW MANY...
01:22:25 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN TEN. WELL, IT APPEARS PROBABLY WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO HOURS OF WORK AHEAD...
01:22:45 Unidentified Speaker MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE A LONG-STANDING COMMITMENT AT 6:00 I ASSUME WE WOULD GO TWO DAYS BUT I WANT...
01:23:09 Unidentified Speaker THEY HAVE HAD THEIR -- THEY HAVE HAD THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, AND I'M SURE THE WITNESS WOULD BE DELIGHTED...
01:23:22 Unidentified Speaker MANY TIMES.
01:23:25 Unidentified Speaker BUT -- SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION AS LONG AS THE CHAIRMAN UNDERSTANDS MY CONSTRAINT IS AT ABOUT TEN MINUTES...
01:23:35 Unidentified Speaker CHAIRMAN, I MIGHT JUST -- I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO DO A WISE THING TO PROCEED THIS WAY. I WOULD...
01:23:47 Unidentified Speaker COULD BE.
01:23:48 Unidentified Speaker IT WOULD BE IMPROPER FOR US TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD SAY THERE ARE TWO HOURS LEFT. SO THE FAILING IN...
01:23:59 Unidentified Speaker I UNDERSTAND THAT. THE CHAIR WILL NOT BE UNREASONABLE IN KEEPING THE HEARING GOING FOREVER. TRY TO...
01:25:03 Unidentified Speaker . THERE IS DEEP INTEREST IN THIS. THIS IS EVIDENCED BY THE ATTENDEES AT THE HEARING WHO HAVE COME...
01:26:59 Unidentified Speaker WE SUPPORT THE EYE PEEL OF UKRAINE.
01:27:01 Unidentified Speaker FOR UKRAINE?
01:27:02 Unidentified Speaker AT THE TIME IT IS APPROPRIATE, YES.
01:27:05 Unidentified Speaker YOU MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US DETERMINE WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE AND WORK WITH US ON THAT LEGISLATION SO...
01:28:35 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE WILL MEET THE COMMITMENTS. WE HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE COMMITMENTS...
01:28:58 Unidentified Speaker SO THEY STILL NEED TO BE CONVINCED THAT THEY NEED 2,300 PEACEKEEPERS.
01:29:04 Unidentified Speaker YES.
01:29:06 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE NEED AN IMPORTANT AMOUNT. NOT ONLY TO GEL TOGETHER THE SUCCESS THUS FAR, BUT...
01:29:38 Unidentified Speaker YES.
01:29:41 Unidentified Speaker ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT DIPLOMATIC ASSIGNMENT -- I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT YOU WORK CLOSELY...
01:30:28 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
01:30:30 Unidentified Speaker I WANTED TO MENTION IN VENEZUELA, AS OTHERS HAVE ALREADY, THAT WE DO HAVE A VERY, VERY HEAVY OIL TRAFFIC...
01:31:31 Unidentified Speaker WE'RE HOPING THAT GOVERNMENT OF VENEZUELA REALIZES THE MUTUAL BENEFICIAL NATURE OF THIS. I THINK WITH...
01:32:14 Unidentified Speaker WOULD YOU TAKE UNDER ADVISEMENT THE NEED FOR A MORE EXPLICIT PLAN AND PERHAPS TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS...
01:33:36 Unidentified Speaker WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE EUROPEANS AND WITH THE IAEA WE'RE FULL PARTICIPANT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD....
01:34:25 Unidentified Speaker THAT HAS BEEN OUR POLICY. I AM HOPEFUL AND SEE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE EUROPEANS HERE AS WE MELD TOGETHER...
01:35:08 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. FINALLY IN MAY THE NONPROLIFERATION TREATY REVIEW CONFERENCE WILL TAKE PLACE IN NEW YORK....
01:35:28 Unidentified Speaker WE WILL TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE LOOPHOLES THAT ARE THERE. AND THE BIG ONE IS THIS ISSUE OF CIVILIAN...
01:35:39 Unidentified Speaker THIS LOOP THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER.
01:35:41 Unidentified Speaker THE FUEL CYCLE LOOP. AND WE HAVE SOME PROPOSALS. THERE'S A PROPOSAL FOR SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON COMPLIRNINGSE...
01:36:17 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. SENATOR BIDEN?
01:36:20 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DR. RICE, I'M GOING TO ASK SEVERAL QUESTIONS, AND IF WE CAN BOTH GET RIGHT TO...
01:37:34 Unidentified Speaker IT IS CERTAINLY THIS ADMINISTRATION'S INTENTION TO SEE THAT PROCESS THROUGH. WHAT THAT MEANS FOR OUR...
01:37:49 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU SEE ANY POSSIBILITY -- ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. DO YOU SEE ANY REASONABLE POSSIBILITY THAT THE...
01:38:04 Unidentified Speaker I CAN'T JUDGE THAT, SENATE BIDEN, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE WILL -- SENATOR BIDEN, BUT I WILL SAY THAT...
01:38:16 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE USEFUL UPON CONSIDERATION ONCE YOU'RE SWORN IN FOR SOMEBODY TO TELL THE AMERICAN...
01:40:44 Unidentified Speaker THE GOAL OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS TO HAVE A REGIME IN IRAN THAT IS RESPONSIVE TO IRAN'S POLICIES....
01:41:41 Unidentified Speaker WHAT ARE THE THINGS IF I COULD STICK -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND AND I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT...
01:43:20 Unidentified Speaker I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE. I THINK THAT IT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WE DON'T KNOW. I THINK...
01:43:46 Unidentified Speaker AND YOU DID IT VERY TUCKSFULLY, ALONG WITH OUR EUROPEAN -- SUCCESSFULLY ALONG WITH OUR EUROPEAN FRIENDS...
01:46:11 Unidentified Speaker WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER PROBLEMS WITH IRAN, NOT JUST THE NUCLEAR PROBLEM. AND I THINK THAT THE...
01:46:46 Unidentified Speaker I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK THAT YOU GAVE ME A STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER. WHEN I TALK TO OUR EUROPEAN...
01:48:03 Unidentified Speaker THE RELATIONSHIP WITH IRAN HAS MORE COMPONENTS THAN THE NUCLEAR SIDE. BUT LET'S SEE HOW FAR THE EUROPEANS...
01:48:13 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA AND THEIR HUMAN ABUSES ARE TERRIBLE. ...
01:50:21 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR BIDEN. SENATOR HAGEL?
01:50:23 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. DR. RICE CONTRIBUTION YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT DIPLOMATIC INITIATIVES PRESIDENT BUSH WILL...
01:50:37 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE WORKING CURRENTLY AND DISCUSSING WITH OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES HOW WE MIGHT STRUCTURE THIS VERY...
01:52:44 Unidentified Speaker MIGHT THAT AGENDA INCLUDE CLIMATE CHANGE?
01:52:48 Unidentified Speaker WE WILL BE IN DISCUSSION WITH OUR ALLIES. PRIME MINISTER BLAIR HAS MADE IT A DISCUSSION ISSUE FOR...
01:53:51 Unidentified Speaker AS YOU KNOW AND AS YOU MENTIONED, WHEN YOU AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT A LITTLE BIT, I TOLD...
01:54:36 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR. WE'RE SPENDING $5 BILLION ON THIS ISSUE. SO --
01:54:41 Unidentified Speaker I KNOW. THE RECORD IS VERY, VERY POSITIVE. IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE NOT EXPLAINED IT VERY WELL. AND...
01:55:19 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE TO GET THERE AND LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE. THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF STUDIES OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT...
01:56:49 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO ASK TWICE ON THAT. YOU RECEIVED SOME INDICATION OF THIS COMMITTEE'S...
01:57:29 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE DIGESTING THE HIGH-LEVEL PANEL REPORT AT THIS POINT. WE'RE GOING TO PUT A LOT OF ATTENTION...
01:58:50 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. THERE'S BEEN CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION TODAY ABOUT PROLIFERATION OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION....
01:59:57 Unidentified Speaker IT IS AN INTERESTING IDEA. HOMELAND SECURITY PEOPLE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEIR COUNTERPARTS...
02:00:38 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
02:00:43 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR SARBAIN. -- SENATOR SARBANES.
02:00:47 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. HOW MUCH, IF YOU WERE SECRETARY OF STATE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND DISCRETION OR AUTHORITY YOU...
02:00:58 Unidentified Speaker I WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH PRESIDENTIAL PERSONNEL, BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE FOLKS HAVE BEEN VERY...
02:01:11 Unidentified Speaker YOUR SELECTIONS HAVE TO CLEAR PRESIDENTIAL PERSONNEL?
02:01:16 Unidentified Speaker THESE ARE PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENTS.
02:01:19 Unidentified Speaker I KNOW IT HAS ALL BEEN WRITTEN SO OFTEN ABOUT HOW CLOSE YOU ARE TO THE PRESIDENT, YOU DON'T HAVE AS...
02:01:33 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, IT HAS BEEN JUST VERY EASY TO WORK THROUGH PRESIDENTIAL PERSONNEL, IT HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE....
02:01:41 Unidentified Speaker IF IT WERE AN ISSUE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT, CORRECT?
02:01:47 Unidentified Speaker THESE ARE APPOINTMENTS BY THE
02:01:48 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER. MY NEXT QUESTION. I HAVE BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT THE RATIONAL, WHY...
02:02:30 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THE RATIONALE, SENATOR, HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL THAT THERE IS A SEPARATION...
02:02:44 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IT'S NOT VERY PRIVATE COUNSEL WHEN YOU GO ON THE NATIONAL MEDIA SHOWS, APPEAR PUBLICLY AND ANSWER...
02:03:19 Unidentified Speaker IT IS A LONGSTANDING PRACTICE OF EVERY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER -- I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN HERE TO ANSWER...
02:03:56 Unidentified Speaker WHAT IS YOUR POSITION -- IF YOU WERE SECRETARY OF STATE OF APPEARING BEFORE THE CONGRESS? HOW CAN...
02:04:11 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I WOULD NO LONGER BE STAFF TO THE PRESIDENT. IF I'M CONFIRMED I WILL BE THE SECRETARY OF...
02:04:43 Unidentified Speaker IS IT YOUR VIEW THEN THAT SECRETARY OF STATE WOULD NOT INVOKE --
02:04:51 Unidentified Speaker I BELIEVE THAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE WOULD COME AND TESTIFY BEFORE THE CONGRESS. WHETHER A SECRETARY...
02:05:09 Unidentified Speaker WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES IF YOU WERE THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO DEAL WITH THE CONGRESS...
02:06:22 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I WILL CONDUCT THIS IN A COMPLETELY BIPARTISAN WAY. I WILL CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE...
02:06:41 Unidentified Speaker WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSE SIDE? -- BAY VOTE.
02:06:45 Unidentified Speaker WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSE SIDE?
02:06:47 Unidentified Speaker I BELIEVE IT WAS THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER NEEDED TO DEAL WITH IT IN A BIPARTISAN WAY.
02:06:54 Unidentified Speaker ORDINARILY AT THE START OF EACH NEW CONGRESS THE ADMINISTRATION CONDUCTS A REVIEW OF SIGNED TREATIES...
02:07:24 Unidentified Speaker THERE ARE PLANS TO DO SO.
02:07:25 Unidentified Speaker YOU PLAN TO DO THAT?
02:07:29 Unidentified Speaker WE PLAN TO DO THAT, YES.
02:07:31 Unidentified Speaker LET ME ASK YOU TO COME BACK TO THE ECONOMIC QUESTIONS. DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS TO AMERICA'S ADVANTAGE...
02:07:48 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I WILL THINK THESE QUESTIONS BETTER ASKED OF THE TREASURY. I HAVE A STRONG INTEREST IN OUR...
02:08:21 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IT GOES BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION THIS MORNING. I FRANKLY CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN...
02:09:49 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, THERE ARE MANY REASONS FOR WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE EURO AND THE...
02:10:36 Unidentified Speaker CHINA'S PRESIDENT EMBARKED ON A 12-DAY TOUR OF LATIN AMERICA. HE WOUND UP MAKING COMMITMENTS TO INVEST...
02:11:15 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THIS IS AN AREA THAT I THINK BEARS SOME WATCHING AND SOME ACTIVITY, AND I WOULD WORK CAREFULLY...
02:13:39 Unidentified Speaker IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE DOING PRETTY WELL IF THAT'S THE CASE. I MEAN OUR ACCUMULATED...
02:15:08 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I AGREE WITH YOU AND I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD AGREE THAT THE IRISH JU IS FOR THE...
02:15:50 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. LET ME INDICATE, DR. RICE, I APPRECIATE THE POINT THAT YOU'RE MAKING AS TO WHAT THE SCOPE...
02:17:41 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY. SENATOR, I WILL.
02:17:47 Unidentified Speaker THANK, MR. CHAIRMAN. I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND SENATOR SARBANES' COMMENTS AS WELL. THANK YOU...
02:19:22 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE VENEZUELAN PEOPLE. THEY ARE REMARKABLE PEOPLE. I...
02:19:46 Unidentified Speaker THERE ARE NOT IN OTHER AREAS?
02:19:48 Unidentified Speaker WE SPEAK OUT ABOUT THOSE AS WELL. SOME OF THIS IS A MATTER OF TREND LINES AND WHERE COUNTRIES HAVE...
02:19:59 Unidentified Speaker ARE THEIR GOVERNMENTS UNCONSTRUCTIVE?
02:20:02 Unidentified Speaker THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT IS NOT UNCONSTRUCTIVE IN A LOT OF AREAS. IT IS CON FLUCTIVE IN TRYING TO --...
02:22:17 Unidentified Speaker YOU AND SENATOR BOXER WERE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A DEBATE OVER CREDIBILITY. AND IT SEEMS THAT TRUST...
02:22:32 Unidentified Speaker IT'S PRETTY HARD, SENATE, TO FIND SOMETHING POSITIVE. LET ME SAY THIS -- LET ME SAY THIS --
02:22:40 Unidentified Speaker PAKISTAN, RUSSIA, IT SEEMS TO SAY TO MAGNIFY OUR DIFFERENCES TO SOME COUNTRIES AND MAGNIFYING OUR...
02:22:52 Unidentified Speaker THE STATE OF BEHAVIOR IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE, THE STATE OF FAIRS IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE IS SUCH...
02:23:44 Unidentified Speaker IT SEEMS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE VENEZUELAN PEOPLE. THEY HAVE SPOKEN.
02:23:47 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
02:23:49 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WILL TRY TO MOVE ALONG ON THIS AS WELL. LET ME PICK UP ON ONE...
02:24:53 Unidentified Speaker CERTAINLY, AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, I SPOKE A LOT, AND I TRIED TO GET OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON....
02:25:01 Unidentified Speaker WERE THESE CAMPAIGN STOPS?
02:25:03 Unidentified Speaker I WANT TO PLACE THAT WERE NONPARTISAN. I WENT TO WORLD AFFAIR COUNSELLES AND UNIVERSITIES. I WAS...
02:25:43 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON IT. BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS IN THE...
02:26:31 Unidentified Speaker I DID NOT READ THE OPINION.
02:26:34 Unidentified Speaker AND DID YOU HAVE A VIEW AT THE TIME ABOUT THEM AT ALL?
02:26:38 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I DID NOT THINK IT -- MY ROLE TO TRY AND GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO THE PRESIDENT. BUT THAT LEGAL...
02:27:15 Unidentified Speaker YOU WERE AWARE, I PRESUME, THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S CONCERNS ABOUT THESE MEMOS?
02:27:21 Unidentified Speaker I WAS AWARE AND, IN FACT, WE MADE CERTAIN THAT BEFORE THE PRESIDENT MADE A FINAL DECISION ON THIS...
02:27:34 Unidentified Speaker WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE WITH US WHAT YOUR OPINIONS WERE?
02:27:37 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I GAVE MY ADVICE TO THE PRESIDENT ON THIS MATTER AND I REALLY WOULD PREFER NOT TO TALK ABOUT...
02:28:16 Unidentified Speaker LET ME ASK YOU BRIEFLY. LET'S GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. WE CAN FOOL AROUND WITH THE LANGUAGE. WHAT...
02:28:37 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD WE OR HAVE WE CONDONED TORTURE. AND THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN...
02:29:02 Unidentified Speaker YOU'RE FAMILIAR NOW WITH THE DRAFT OPINION THAT WAS SUBMITTED. NOW THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE DRAFT OPINION...
02:29:17 Unidentified Speaker I DIDN'T SAY WHAT WAS AWARE OF THE OPINION. I DIDN'T READ THE FULL OPINION, SENATOR. I BELIEVE THAT...
02:30:16 Unidentified Speaker LET ME JUST COME BACK. JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION. IN YOUR VIEW, AS A HUMAN MATTER, THAT WATER BOARDING...
02:30:33 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC TECHNIQUES. LET ME TALK ABOUT ABU GHRAIB.
02:30:39 Unidentified Speaker IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION EYE' ASKING YOU.
02:30:42 Unidentified Speaker WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT -- ASKING ABOUT THE INCIDENTS IN IRAQ.
02:30:48 Unidentified Speaker I'M ASKING ABOUT THE TECHNIQUES THAT WE USED WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK IT IS TORTURE OR NOT.
02:30:55 Unidentified Speaker WHETHER OR NOT INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR INTERNATIONAL OBLIGATIONS AND THE --...
02:31:12 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S YOUR ANSWER THERE. IT'S A DISAPPOINTING ANSWER, I MUST SAY. THIS IS THE FACE OF U.S. FOREIGN...
02:31:58 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I MAINTAIN THE COMMITMENT AND WILL MAINTAIN THE COMMITMENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO NORMS...
02:32:11 Unidentified Speaker WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE SAW ON TELEVISION THAT A CAPTURED AMERICAN WAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO THESE KIND...
02:32:21 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -- AMERICAN PERSONNEL, ARE NOT ENGAGED IN TERRORISM AGAINST...
02:32:32 Unidentified Speaker I'M NOT ASKING IF THEY ARE CHARGED WITH. HOW WOULD YOU REACT?
02:32:35 Unidentified Speaker WE EXPECT AMERICANS TO BE -- BECAUSE WE ARE PARTIES TO THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS, WE EXPECT AMERICANS...
02:32:46 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU CONSIDER THESE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES TO BE NOT PART OF THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS?
02:32:54 Unidentified Speaker WE THINK THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE -- THE AL QAEDA PEOPLE NOT PART OF THE GENEVA. IT WOULD HAVE WEAKENED...
02:33:12 Unidentified Speaker AT THE END OF ALL OF THESE HEARINGS I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SPEND ABOUT 15 MINUTES ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN...
02:35:03 Unidentified Speaker THE PRESIDENT'S ENERGY PLAN -- EMERGENCY PLAN WAS SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH THE MOST 15 AFFECTED COUNTRIES....
02:36:05 Unidentified Speaker TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS, PLEASE. THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC IS ON THE SAME ISLAND. HAITI IS COVERED,...
02:38:04 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR ALLEN?
02:38:07 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT COMPETITION AND CORRUPTION. LET ME FOLLOW-UP...
02:39:27 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, LET ME BE VERY CLEAR. I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY, ABU GHRAIB WAS UNACCEPTABLE. IT WAS ABUSE....
02:39:55 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. I WANTED TO KNOW YOUR RESPONSE. YOU'RE GETTING TIED IN ALL THE LEGALISTICS THERE. ON THE...
02:42:54 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE AND IN FACT VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH CHINA ABOUT THE PROBLEM TRYING...
02:44:56 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND I KNOW THIS WHOLE COMMITTEE WILL...
02:46:06 Unidentified Speaker COME OF THE COUNTRIES OF THAT REGION HAVE BEGUN TO INTEGRATE IN SOME WAYS. A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE WENT...
02:47:36 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, DR. RICE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO SAY IN CONCLUSION HERE, DR. RICE, THANK YOU FOR...
02:48:21 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
02:48:25 Unidentified Speaker LET ME JUST BROACH WITH THE COMMITTEE TWO SCENARIOS, ONE OF WHICH WE WOULD HAVE A BUSINESS MEETING...
02:49:06 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MYSELF THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THAT THE QUESTIONING IS SO GOOD ON BOTH SIDES...
02:49:27 Unidentified Speaker WELL, WE'LL COME BACK IN THE MORNING IN THAT EVENT IN ANY WAY. WE'LL CONTINUE THIS EVENING SO THAT...
02:49:35 Unidentified Speaker OK.
02:49:39 Unidentified Speaker MY THOUGHT WAS JUST SIMPLE WE MIGHT HAVE VOTED AT THEnr END OF THE QUESTIONING THIS EVENING. THERE...
02:49:54 Unidentified Speaker ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE'LL CONTINUE QUESTIONING TOMORROW AS WELL AND THEN HAVE THE VOTE?
02:49:58 Unidentified Speaker IN THE EVENT THAT WE ARE STILL MEETING TOMORROW, IT WOULD BE OPEN FOR QUQBaIONS TOMORROW MORNING....
02:50:08 Unidentified Speaker MR. CHAIRMAN?
02:50:10 Unidentified Speaker JUST FROM THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA, I USE THE TERM CROKSE NOT IN A DEROGATORY SENSE. IT'S NORMAL....
02:50:23 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR.
02:50:24 Unidentified Speaker VERY WELL.
02:50:25 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR KERRY?
02:50:27 Unidentified Speaker IF I WOULD GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS -- I WONDER, MR. CHAIRMAN -- I KNOW I HEARD DR. RICE WILLING...
02:50:44 Unidentified Speaker I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO STAY, SENATOR. I LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER EXCHANGE. I'D LIKE TO LOOK FURTHER...
02:50:53 Unidentified Speaker FINE. I'M READING FROM AN ARTICLE ON DECEMBER 15 WHICH SAYS, INVOKING COMMENTS BY THEN PRESIDENTIAL...
02:55:08 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING TO DO EXACTLY THAT. THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS THAT THE SCHEDULE...
02:55:50 Unidentified Speaker WHAT YOU JUST SAID DOESN'T RING WITH WHAT HAS HAPPENED. I MEAN, WE SECURED MORE NUCLEAR MATERIAL IN...
02:56:44 Unidentified Speaker IT IS PART, SENATOR, PART OF A CHECKLIST, WHICH IS A -- WHICH IS A VEHICLE THAT WE HAVE OF WORKING...
02:57:08 Unidentified Speaker BUT THERE'S A -- GLOBAL DELOAMASY, AS YOU KNOW WELL, IS DEFINED BY THE ISSUES THAT THE PRESIDENT OF...
02:57:33 Unidentified Speaker THE CHECKLIST WAS PUBLIC, SENATOR. HE'S MADE PROPOSALS FOR HOW WE MIGHT DEAL WITH THE MULTIPLE ASPECTS...
02:58:02 Unidentified Speaker IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
02:58:04 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, THERE -- THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE'VE WORKED OUT JOINTLY WITH THE RUSSIANS ON WHAT CAN BE...
02:58:51 Unidentified Speaker I APPRECIATE THAT. I HOPE YOU WILL. A SECRETARY INITIATIVE THAT COULD BE TAKEN WITH RESPECT TO THIS...
02:59:54 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I'D LOVE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR PLAN AND WHAT IT ENTAILS AND TO SEE WHAT...
03:00:27 Unidentified Speaker WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT PURR SEEING AN -- PURSUING AN EFFORT WHICH MANY NATIONS SUPPORT? THERE IS...
03:00:47 Unidentified Speaker IN THE FISCAL TREATY -- WE'VE SAID THAT WE FAVOR THE NEGOTIATION OF THE TREATY. WE'VE BEEN PREPARED...
03:01:17 Unidentified Speaker AND WHAT ABOUT ANY INITIATIVES WITH PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF AND THE INDIANS WITH RESPECT TO FAIL-SAFE...
03:01:27 Unidentified Speaker YES.
03:01:30 Unidentified Speaker IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL COUP IN PAKISTAN YOU COULD HAVE CONCEIVABLY NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE...
03:01:59 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, WE HAVE NOTED THAT PROBLEM AND WE'LL TRY TO DEAL WITH IT. I DON'T WANT TO TALK IN OPEN SESSION...
03:02:07 Unidentified Speaker OK. I RAISE IT AGAIN. I MUST SAY THAT IN MY PRIVATE ABBREVIATION AS A NOMINEE I FOUND THE ANSWERS...
03:02:23 Unidentified Speaker WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THE PROBLEM, SENATOR, AND WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS BUT I REALLY WOULD PREFER...
03:02:29 Unidentified Speaker OK. LET ME GET TO THE QUESTION OF NORTH KOREA. NORTH KOREA HAS QUAT RUPELED THEIR WEAPONRY --
03:02:40 Unidentified Speaker I'M SORRY. PROCEED.
03:02:41 Unidentified Speaker IT'S FINE. I'LL COME BACK.
03:02:45 Unidentified Speaker VENTURE C.I.A. GOING TO DECLARE OF RECESS OF 10 MINUTES. WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR OVER THREE HOURS. ...
03:03:11 Unidentified Speaker 9:00?
03:03:14 Unidentified Speaker YES. WE'LL HAVE A RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES IN THE ELENT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECESS AT THIS POINT....
03:04:42 Unidentified Speaker A SHORT 10-MINUTE BREAK HERE. HERE ARE THE PHONE NUMBERS. IF YOU SUPPORT DEMOCRATS CALL US ON 202-585-3880....
03:06:30 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. PORTLAND, OREGON, WE'LL STAY IN YOUR AREA FOR A CALLER FROM GRANT'S PASS. HI. CALLER:...
03:07:17 Unidentified Speaker CALLER, LET ME DIRECT YOU BACK TO THE CONFIRMATION HEARING. WHAT ARE YOU SEEN SO FAR? WHAT HAS CAUGHT...
03:07:52 Unidentified Speaker OK. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS HEARING TODAY. CALLER: THANK GOD FOR BARBARA BOXER. THIS IS NOT ABOUT DEMOCRATS...
03:08:56 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THE HEARING HAS GONE ON FOR ABOUT SEVEN HOURS. AND RICE HAS BEEN ANSWERED THOSE...
03:09:14 Unidentified Speaker TEXAS, TURN DOWN YOUR TV SET AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS HEARING TODAY.
03:09:18 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO WATCH IT FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTES. BUT I'M CALLING JUST TO REGISTER MY SUPPORT...
03:09:55 Unidentified Speaker OK. THANKS A LOT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OXFORD, MISSISSIPPI. CALLER: I WANT TO COMMEND JOHN KERRY QUESTIONING...
03:10:40 Unidentified Speaker OK. THANKS. THERE HAS BEEN ONE FULL ROUND OF QUESTIONS AT THIS HEARING. THE SECOND ROUND WILL BE ...
03:11:15 Unidentified Speaker TURN DOWN YOUR TV AND START YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE. GOT TO TURN THAT TV ALL THE WAY OFF, WESTLAKE....
03:11:36 Unidentified Speaker WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS HEARING? HOW DID SHE DO? CALLER: WE, I THINK SHE DID VERY WELL. SHE...
03:11:49 Unidentified Speaker WHAT WAS MEMORABLE FOR YOU? CALLER: THAT SHE IS BEHIND THE PRESIDENT 100%.
03:11:55 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU THINK SHE'LL MAKE A GOOD SECRETARY OF STATE? CALLER: WELL, I DON'T NORMALLY THINK A WOMAN WOULD...
03:12:06 Unidentified Speaker WHY WOULDN'T YOU THINK THAT A WOMAN WOULD MAKE A GOOD SECRETARY OF STATE? CALLER: I THINK SOME OF...
03:12:21 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
03:12:29 Unidentified Speaker GO AHEAD. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. CALLER: YES, I WANT TO CALL AND SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH AND SUPPORT CONDOLEEZZA...
03:12:59 Unidentified Speaker CALIFORNIA SENATOR BARBARA BOXER THERE ON YOUR SCREEN. HER ROUND OF QUESTIONS WILL BE PART OF WHAT...
03:14:04 Unidentified Speaker CRAWFORDSVILLE, INDIANA. CALLER: YES, I'D LIKE TO GIVE MY SUPPORT TO CONDOLEEZZA RICE. I THINK SHE'S...
03:14:29 Unidentified Speaker BEL-AIR, MARYLAND? CALLER: YES. I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT CONDOLEEZZA RICE CANNOT ANSWER A QUESTION...
03:15:22 Unidentified Speaker EL CAN HOUSTON, CALIFORNIA. -- CAHOUN, CALIFORNIA. CALLER: SHE'S A VERY INTELLIGENT LADY, CONDOLEEZZA...
03:16:14 Unidentified Speaker MIAMI, FLORIDA? CALLER: YES. I'M A DEMOCRAT BUT I THINK I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN HER. BUT MY WORRY...
03:16:53 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, REMINDER THAT ALL OF THESE CONFIRMATION HEARINGS THIS SEASON -- THERE ARE NINE...
03:17:27 Unidentified Speaker LIKE WHAT? CALLER: WELL, YOU SEE JOHN KERRY AND YOU SEE HIM. HE LOOKS LIKE AL GORE. HE LOOKS LIKE...
03:18:25 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. MARYLAND, WE'LL LEAVE IT THERE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO SOUTH DAKOTA. CALLER: HELLO. I WOULD...
03:19:36 Unidentified Speaker OK. APPRECIATE THE CALLS. REMINDER WE'LL SHOW PORTIONS AT TODAY'S HEARINGS AT 8:00 TONIGHT AND BACK...
03:19:58 Unidentified Speaker THE HEARING IS CALLED TO ORDER AGAIN.
03:20:01 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. FIRST, DR. RICE, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR STRONG REMARKS ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL...
03:23:40 Unidentified Speaker I THINK COLUMBIA HAS OUTSTANDING LEADERSHIP IN PRESIDENT URIBE. HE HAS MOBILIZED COLUMBIAN SOCIETY,...
03:25:59 Unidentified Speaker YOU CAN'T GIVE A FREE PASS TO FOLKS WITH BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. WE NEED TO SOMEHOW HAVE AN ABILITY...
03:26:13 Unidentified Speaker THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THEY CAN DO NEXT.
03:26:15 Unidentified Speaker I HOPE WE WOULD HAVE GUIDANCE FROM STATE DOWN THE ROAD. JUST SOME FOLLOW-UP IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN...
03:26:33 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLORE WITH COLOMBIA ITS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT....
03:27:31 Unidentified Speaker ONE OF THE AREAS WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IS CUTTING DOWN ON THE HECTARESco COCAINE COCOA BEING GROWN...
03:28:24 Unidentified Speaker I AGREE, SENATOR. IN FACT, WE ASKED THE COLOMBIANS AND THEY AGREED TO TALK TO THE AFGHANS ABOUT THEIR...
03:29:47 Unidentified Speaker WE SAW LAST WEEK GREAT SUCCESS IN AFGHAN STAP. SOME PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE HUSTLE FACTOR. PEOPLE...
03:30:24 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. SENATOR FEINGOLD.
03:30:27 Unidentified Speaker THANKS FOR ALL YOUR TIME TODAY. I WANT TO START THIS ROUND. IT WILL NOT BE A FULL ROUND. BUT I DO...
03:33:21 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR. FIRST, LET ME TRY TO BE CLEAR. THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T AND CAN'T CONDONE TORTURE....
03:37:05 Unidentified Speaker I THINK YOUR COMMENTS ARE FAIR WITH REGARD TO THE LACK OF COOPERATION FROM OTHER COUNTRYS IN PAST...
03:38:24 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT. THE 150 COUNT, FUNCTION 150 IS WHAT FUNDS...
03:39:46 Unidentified Speaker WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DO UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS THAT THE COUNTRY IS OPERATING UNDER AT...
03:40:31 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE PART OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY EXEMPTIONS? JUST...
03:40:44 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING, SENATOR IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PERFORM THE FUNCTIONS THAT WE NEED TO PERFORM....
03:41:01 Unidentified Speaker THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WANT MONEY, AND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT'S THERE. AND I DO BELIEVE...
03:41:42 Unidentified Speaker RTSNA, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST MANAGEMENT AUDIT WAS. AND I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THEY LOOKED AT PRIORITIES...
03:42:30 Unidentified Speaker I'M GOING TO BE PAYING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THAT PART OF IT. BECAUSE OF CHAIRMANSHIP OF MANAGEMENT...
03:42:53 Unidentified Speaker I AGREE, SENATOR. LET ME JUST SAY ON THE BUDGET MATTER AGAIN, WE CAN MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS, IF THERE...
03:43:21 Unidentified Speaker AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THIS STUFF. I KNOW IF BOB ZELICK COMES OVER....
03:44:02 Unidentified Speaker I WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. I KNOW WE NEED TO CREATE THE OFFICE. I KNOW THEY LOOKED INTO CREATING...
03:44:48 Unidentified Speaker IT'S GREAT BECAUSE YOUR PEOPLE WILL WANT TO KNOW YOU QUARE.
03:44:52 Unidentified Speaker THE FIRST BRIEFING I HAD WAS WITH THE UNDERSECRETARY OF MANAGEMENT BECAUSE I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND...
03:45:11 Unidentified Speaker ONE OTHER ISSUE DEALS WITH MANAGEMENT. OUR SUBCOMMITTEE HAD A HEARING ON CRIME AND CORRUPTION. YOU...
03:45:57 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR. I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
03:46:01 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH SENATOR VOINOVICH. SENATOR BOXER.
03:46:05 Unidentified Speaker THANKS SO MUCH. I'M GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THEN CONTINUE QUESTIONING ON THE TORTURE ISSUE....
03:48:44 Unidentified Speaker TO PLACE IN THE RECORD.
03:48:46 Unidentified Speaker AT A PRESS CONFERENCE, HE SAID, "THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE'RE STILL IN A WAR AND NOT EVERYTHING...
03:50:15 Unidentified Speaker I SAW -- I DON'T KNOW IF I SAW ALL OF THEM BUT I SAW ENOUGH. TO KNOW THAT IT WAS A STAIN ON OUR COUNTRY....
03:50:27 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. I WENT UP TO SEE THE PHOTOS. AT MY AGE, WE TALK STRESS TESTS ALSO BECAUSE...
03:54:53 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, IT WAS OUR VIEW IN THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THIS IS COVERED IN THE DEFENSE BILL.
03:55:03 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS NOT IN THE MILITARY.
03:55:08 Unidentified Speaker BUT ALL AGENCIES WERE COVERED IN THE DEFENSE, SO INTELLIGENCE WAS COVERED.
03:55:15 Unidentified Speaker NO.
03:55:16 Unidentified Speaker THAT WAS OUR VIEW. SECONDLY, WE DID NOT WANT TO AFFORD TO PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN'T ENJOY CERTAIN PROTECTIONS...
03:55:46 Unidentified Speaker EXCUSE ME, I WANT TO CLARIFY. GOT IT. THANKS, GO AHEAD.
03:56:00 Unidentified Speaker NOBODY CONDONES TOR CHEW. NOBODY CONDONES WHAT WAS DONE AT ABU GHRAIB. IN FACT, YOU HAD EVERYONE FROM...
03:57:18 Unidentified Speaker SO WOULD YOU THEN IMPOSE THAT LANGUAGE IN THE DEFENSE BILL?
03:57:24 Unidentified Speaker THE PRESIDENT SIGNED IT.
03:57:25 Unidentified Speaker NO, NO. I'M ASKING ABOUT YOU.
03:57:28 Unidentified Speaker THE PRESIDENT SIGNED IT.
03:57:29 Unidentified Speaker YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE QUESTION. YOU SAID YOU DON'T WANT TO EXTEND THESE INTERNATIONAL LAWS ...
03:57:53 Unidentified Speaker OF COURSE I SUPPORT IT IN THE DEFENSE BILL.
03:57:56 Unidentified Speaker BUT YOU DON'T IN THE INTELLIGENCE BILL?
03:57:58 Unidentified Speaker WE THINK THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES ARE COVERED IN THE DEFENSE BILL. IT WAS UNNECESSARY TO HAVE IT --...
03:58:03 Unidentified Speaker BUT THEN YOU GO ON TO SAY THAT THESE AGREEMENTS SHOULD NOT BE COVERED.
03:58:07 Unidentified Speaker I WAS MAKING A BROADER POINT, SENATOR, WHICH IS THAT THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS SHOULD NOT BE EXTENDED...
03:58:25 Unidentified Speaker THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS, DICK DURBIN, SENATOR DURBIN, SENIOR SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS, HE OFFERED THE...
04:00:11 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, IT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND.
04:00:13 Unidentified Speaker AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE EXPLAINED IT. BECAUSE BY SAYING WE DIDN'T NEED IT IT WAS IN THE DEFENSE...
04:01:02 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR BOXER. I WILL CALL ON SENATOR OBAMA. AFTER A CONSULTATION WITH MANY ...
04:02:17 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. RICE, I APPRECIATE YOUR STAMINA. I'VE GOT ONE VERY SPECIFIC...
04:03:38 Unidentified Speaker THE M.C.A. IS A VERY IMPORTANT INITIATIVE FOR US. AND IT TAKES TIME TO NEGOTIATE COMPACTS WITH THESE...
04:04:18 Unidentified Speaker OK. THE REASON I MAKE THIS POINT, I THINK, IS NOT THAT I WANT US TO SPEND MONEY WILLY NILLY AND IN...
04:09:30 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION, SENATOR. IT'S ONE THAT IS ACTUALLY DEBATED IN ACADEMY AROUND...
04:09:43 Unidentified Speaker OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT ACADEMIC BECAUSE WE HAVE TROOPS OVER THERE.
04:09:47 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. WHEN YOU'RE NOT DEBATING IT IN THE ACADEMY, IT'S A BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO...
04:11:41 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT I KNOW I'M GOING TO RUNNING OUT OF TIME. I SEE THAT YELLOW LIGHT...
04:12:49 Unidentified Speaker YES.
04:12:51 Unidentified Speaker AND WE'RE NOW GOING TO BE SPENDING AT LEAST $200 BILLION IN IRAQ AND WE'VE LOST OVER 1,300 LIVES....
04:13:27 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IF I COULD JUST SPEAK TO THE MOVING TARGET NOTION, BECAUSE I DON'T...
04:14:09 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY. BUT AGAIN, I KNOW I'M OUT OF TIME HERE, THAT'S TRUE IN SUDAN. THERE'S A LOT OF ANGER...
04:15:09 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I HAVE TO SAY I DON'T THINK IT'S A VAGUE LINK. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT...
04:15:32 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THAT'S FAIR AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS, BUT I'M JUST TRYING...
04:16:31 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
04:16:32 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR OBAMA. I WILL PASS ON THIS ROUND AND RECOGNIZE SENATOR DODD.
04:16:40 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A NUMBER OF AREAS TO COVER. LET ME MENTION, FIRST OF ALL, ON A POSITIVE...
04:17:01 Unidentified Speaker DECEMBER.
04:17:02 Unidentified Speaker I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IN MEETING...
04:21:21 Unidentified Speaker WELL, WE ARE AND HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. WE HAVE NOW FRIENDS WHO HAVE SIMILAR VIEWS OF INTERFLANNEL ...
04:22:47 Unidentified Speaker DON'T BECOME LIKE THEM.
04:22:48 Unidentified Speaker I AGREE. AND SENATOR, IF WE WERE LIKE THEM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE PUNISHED THE PEOPLE FOR ABU GHRAIB. ...
04:23:45 Unidentified Speaker MAKE SURE YOU TALK TO US ON THESE TREATIES BECAUSE THEY'RE IMPORTANT.
04:23:49 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
04:23:50 Unidentified Speaker LET ME JUMP QUICKLY BECAUSE THE TIME IS GOING TO MOVE HERE. SENATOR MARTINEZ AND OTHERS HAVE RAISED...
04:25:37 Unidentified Speaker WELL, SENATOR, THERE ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
04:25:42 Unidentified Speaker DIDN'T IT WORK IN PART IN EASTERN EUROPE?
04:25:45 Unidentified Speaker HE WILL WITH, IT WORKED IN PART, BUT IT WORKED AFTER A LONG TIME IN WHICH THOSE COUNTRIES WERE ACTUALLY...
04:25:57 Unidentified Speaker GRANTED.
04:25:59 Unidentified Speaker THESE WERE COUNTRY WHERE IT WAS POSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY ACCESS A CIVIL SOCIETY. IT WAS POSSIBLE TO ACCESS...
04:26:12 Unidentified Speaker LET HIM TURN ME DOWN. WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME I CAN'T GO? I CAN GO TO NORTH KOREA. YOU WOULD LET ME...
04:26:21 Unidentified Speaker YES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT.
04:26:22 Unidentified Speaker THERE'S NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS ME. I CAN GO TO IRAN, IRAQ. THE ONLY COUNTRY YOU WON'T LET ME GO TO...
04:26:30 Unidentified Speaker BECAUSE THE CUBAN REGIME WOULD USE YOUR TRAVEL AND THE SKIMMING OFF THE TOP OF THAT TRAVEL --
04:26:40 Unidentified Speaker NORTH KOREA WOULDN'T DO THAT?
04:26:44 Unidentified Speaker TO CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN THE HOLD OF THAT BRUTAL REGIME. AND THAT IS WHAT CASTRO DOES. HE USES HUMANITARIAN...
04:26:58 Unidentified Speaker YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TELL ME YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION AND TELL ME ALL THE OTHER PLACES...
04:27:13 Unidentified Speaker NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NORTH KOREA. CASTRO HAS MADE A LIVING OF SIPHONNING MONEY OFF OF...
04:27:37 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
04:27:39 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR CHAFEE.
04:27:40 Unidentified Speaker I PASS.
04:27:44 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR KERRY.
04:27:46 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, DR. RICE FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND HANGING IN...
04:28:11 Unidentified Speaker I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT.
04:28:13 Unidentified Speaker HE SAYS, ZWROUSE QUOTE, HE TALKS ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION CONDUCTING SECRET RECONNAISSANCE MISSIONS...
04:29:39 Unidentified Speaker IS IT FILLED WITH INACCURACIES AND ITS CREDIBILITY IS SORELY LACKING. LET ME JUST SPEAK TO THE HANDLING...
04:30:28 Unidentified Speaker WHAT ABOUT OUR OWN INTERESTS AN EFFORTS WITH RESPECT TO A.Q. CHARN?
04:30:35 Unidentified Speaker OUR OWN INTERESTS ARE BEING WELL SERVED BY THE FACT THAT A.Q. KHAN IS OFF THE MARKET, THAT WE ARE...
04:31:01 Unidentified Speaker ARE THEY BEING SERVED IF WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THEM?
04:31:06 Unidentified Speaker WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH PAKISTAN ON DEALING WITH THE A.Q. KHAN MATTER....
04:31:22 Unidentified Speaker BUT ARE THEY BEING SERVED IF WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THEM?
04:31:26 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE BEING SERVED AT THIS
04:31:27 Unidentified Speaker ADEQUATELY?
04:31:28 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE A.Q. KHAN NETWORK. SENATOR, I DON'T KNOW...
04:31:47 Unidentified Speaker AND WITH RESPECT TO IRAN, ARE YOU ALSO DENYING OR DISCOUNTING ANY OF THE ALLEGATIONS IN THIS ARTICLE?...
04:31:54 Unidentified Speaker THE ARTICLE HAS -- IT IS INACCURATE.
04:31:57 Unidentified Speaker WITH RESPECT TO IRAN?
04:32:01 Unidentified Speaker THE ARTICLE IS, AS DEFENSE SIDE, INACCURATE.
04:32:04 Unidentified Speaker WITH RESPECT TO IRAN?
04:32:06 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, THE ARTICLE DOESN'T REPRESENT OUR POLICIES TOWARD IRAN OR OUR EXPECTATIONS OF POLICIES TOWARD...
04:32:16 Unidentified Speaker COMING BACK IF I MAY FOR A MINUTE TO IRAQ, WHAT STEPS WERE YOU GOING TO TAKE IN THE IMMEDIACY OF YOUR...
04:32:48 Unidentified Speaker THE IRAQIS ARE TRYING TO PUT IN PLACE A MEANS FOR POLITICAL RECONCILIATION TO THE DEGREE THAT WHAT...
04:32:59 Unidentified Speaker YOU DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ROLE TO PLAY WITH THE EUROPEANS AND ARAB COMMUNITY?
04:33:03 Unidentified Speaker WE CERTAINLY HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY AND WE HAVE PLAYED THAT ROLE IN DOING WHAT WE CAN TO ENCOURAGE CONTACTS...
04:33:50 Unidentified Speaker I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN, IS AND IS ...
04:36:12 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THINK THAT THEY ARE FOCUSED. I DO THINK THEY ARE VERY ACTIVE IN REACHING OUT. ALL THAT WE...
04:38:00 Unidentified Speaker I KNOW THEY ARE NOT. BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I WAS IN JORDAN THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT MEETING, I MET...
04:39:21 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I THINK WE ARE DOING BETTER THAN THAT. THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT COUNTRIES THROUGH...
04:39:44 Unidentified Speaker ACTUALLY I DID, AND I SUPPORTED THAT IF YOU RECALL.
04:39:47 Unidentified Speaker I KNOW YOU SUPPORTED IT. BUT MANY DIDN'T THINK THEY WOULD EVER RECONCILE POSTUNE AND THE OTHERS.
04:39:58 Unidentified Speaker BUT THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN A LOT OF WAYS AND THAT IS WHAT CONCERNS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING...
04:40:45 Unidentified Speaker WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING TO THEM IS THAT THEY CAN TRANSLATE THAT CONCERN INTO ACTION. BECAUSE THIS...
04:41:18 Unidentified Speaker BUT IT IS ANOTHER THING FOR THEM TO PUT THEIR POLITICAL NECKS ON THE LINE WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THE...
04:42:16 Unidentified Speaker I APPRECIATE THAT, NOR. I JUST WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT WE ARE REACH OUTING AND WE ARE ENCOURAGING INTERNATIONAL...
04:43:03 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT I SEE MY COLLEAGUE WAITING SO I WILL PASS AND COME BACK.
04:43:08 Unidentified Speaker I'M JUST HERE TO KEEP THE CHAIRMAN COMPANY.
04:43:14 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR VOINOVICH PASSES AND REVERTS BACK TO SENATOR KERRY.
04:43:25 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. NORTH KOREA. THERE ARE A LOT OF OBSERVERS -- AND I HEARD THIS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN...
04:44:41 Unidentified Speaker I THINK, SENATOR, THAT THE NORTH KOREANS SHOULD BE BE, SHOULD BE WELL AWARE THAT THE CRATES HAS NO...
04:47:56 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT ONE HEARS FROM SOME OF THE OTHER PARTIES TO THE TALKS THEMSELVES. THEY...
04:48:30 Unidentified Speaker WELL, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN RESOLVE DIPLOMATICICALLY -- TCHATLY. OF...
04:48:49 Unidentified Speaker GIVEN THE INTRANSIGENCE AND CHEATING WHY DOES THIS LEND ITSELF TO BEING SOLVED DIPLOMATICLY MORE THAN...
04:48:57 Unidentified Speaker BECAUSE DESPITE THE PROBLEMS WITH NORTH KOREA IT IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST. WE HAVE...
04:49:05 Unidentified Speaker I'M TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE WENT TWICE. WE ARE WORKING ON ONCE.
04:49:11 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THEY INVADED KUWAIT.
04:49:13 Unidentified Speaker DURING THE W.M.D. INSPECTION PROCESS.
04:49:17 Unidentified Speaker WELL THE W.M.D. INSPECTION PROCESS WAS NOT GETTING ANYWHERE. I THINK THE INSPECTORS WILL TELL YOU...
04:49:27 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THEY SAID THEY WERE PARTIALLY IN COMPLAINSED -- COMPLIRNSE AND PARTIALLY OUT.
04:49:32 Unidentified Speaker WELL PARTIALLY WOULDN'T GOOD ENOUGH WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT HAD USED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION....
04:49:41 Unidentified Speaker THE DIFFERENCE IS WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE GOTTEN FULL COMPLIANCE? YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER BECAUSE...
04:49:48 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE GOING TO GET FULL COMPLIANCE FROM SADDAM HUSSEIN.
04:49:53 Unidentified Speaker WE KNOW YOU DON'T THINK THAT.
04:49:54 Unidentified Speaker WELL, WITH AMERICAN AND COALITION FORCES BUILDING UP ON THE SHORES HE STILL DECIDED NOT TO COMPLY...
04:50:08 Unidentified Speaker BUT, AGAIN, THIS GOES INTO PROCESS WHICH I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO TO FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS....
04:50:21 Unidentified Speaker I DIDN'T SAY I WAS CONFIDENT THAT IT WOULD BE RESOLVED. I SAID I THOUGHT WE STILL HAD ROOM FOR A DIPLOMATIC...
04:51:24 Unidentified Speaker HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH THAT FROM IRAN?
04:51:26 Unidentified Speaker YES. AND THE POSSIBILITIES THERE.
04:51:30 Unidentified Speaker WELL, FOR ONE THING WITH IRAN WE ARE DEALING WITH A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT NEARLY AS ISOLATED AS NORTH...
04:52:24 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER ADVANTAGED WITH RESPECT TO IRAN IF WE WERE TO BE EITHER LEADING...
04:52:36 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THE BRITISH, FRENCH AND GERMANS KNOW THAT WE ARE COORNATHE WITH THEM, THAT WE -- WE ARE SKEPTICAL...
04:52:57 Unidentified Speaker WHY NOT BE PART OF IT?
04:52:59 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT IS ALWAYS VERY IMPORTANT, SENATOR, THAT THE IRANIANS KNOW THAT THE UNITED STATES IS NOT...
04:53:22 Unidentified Speaker BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPTION. ISN'T THE OPTION OF SANCTIONS AND GREATER ACTION ALWAYS ON THE TABLE...
04:53:28 Unidentified Speaker I THINK WE THINK THE BEST COURSE NOW IS TO LET THE EU-3 SEE IF THEY CAN GET THIS AGREEMENT.
04:53:38 Unidentified Speaker IS THIS A GOOD COP BAD COP ROUTINE OR SOMETHING MORE THOUGHTFUL?
04:53:42 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT NOT A GOOD THING FOR US TO BE INVOLVED IN NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT WHICH WE ARE SKEPTICAL. AND...
04:53:54 Unidentified Speaker IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOUR OWN SKEPTICISM BREEDS A FAILURE?
04:53:57 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IF THE IRANIANS ARE GOING TO LIVE UP TO THEIR INTERNATIONAL OBLIGATIONS,...
04:54:11 Unidentified Speaker THE IRAQI STABLIZATION GROUP THAT YOU WERE PUT IN CHARGE OF OCTOBER OF 2003, BY ALMOST EVERYBODY'S...
04:54:43 Unidentified Speaker THE IRAQ STABLIZATION GROUP WAS AN INTERNAL N.S.C. GROUP. NOT AN INTERAGENCY GROUP.
04:54:49 Unidentified Speaker YOU HAVE A HALF DOZEN AGENCIES THAT WERE PART OF IT THAT WERE REPORTING TO YOU AS
04:54:55 Unidentified Speaker NO. THE ROLE OF THE IRAQ STABLIZATION GROUP WAS TO IMPROVE THE INFORMATION FLOW DURING THE TIME WE...
04:56:10 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IN THE "WASHINGTON POST", THEY CHARACTERIZED IT AS THE NEW GROUP TO BE LED BY CONDOLEEZZA RICE...
04:56:24 Unidentified Speaker LET ME MAKE THE DISTINCTION. THE IRAQ STABLIZATION GROUP WAS AN INTRANSC --
04:56:30 Unidentified Speaker I UNDERSTAND THAT.
04:56:32 Unidentified Speaker IT REACHED OUT AND TRY TO HELP THE C.P.A. BY ENTRYING TOGETHER INTERAGENCY TEAMS WHEN IT WAS NECESSARY...
04:57:03 Unidentified Speaker WAS THIS AN EFFORT TO TRY TO STRAIGHTEN OUT WHAT THE MILITARY ITSELF WAS NOT ABLE TO DO OR NOT DOING?...
04:57:09 Unidentified Speaker IT WAS AN EFFORT TO MOVE FROM A STAGE AT WHICH HAD BEEN ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AND...
04:57:20 Unidentified Speaker HOW SUCCESSFUL WOULD YOU SAY IT WAS?
04:57:22 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. IF YOU LOOK AT SEVERAL PROJECTS, THE CURRENCY REFORM,...
04:58:08 Unidentified Speaker HAS BEEN --
04:58:09 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT HAS BEEN SMOOTHER WITH AN EMBASSY IN PLACE THAT CAN BE THE COORDINATION IN PROCESS.
04:58:28 Unidentified Speaker HOW DOES THAT GO ALONG WE YOU SAID THE PRESIDENT SAID MILITARY IS A SPECIAL INSTRUMENT IT IS LETHAL...
04:58:41 Unidentified Speaker WELL, WE FOUND OURSELVES BUILDING A CIVILIAN SOCIETY AND WE FRANKLY AS COUNTRY DON'T REALLY HAVE THE...
04:59:36 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU THINK THAT THAT MISJUDGMENT ABOUT WHAT IT CAN OR CAN'T DO -- AND I SAY MISJUDGMENT IN BROAD...
05:00:22 Unidentified Speaker WELL, WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR AND WE HAVE HAD TO USE OUR FORCES AND USE THEY WILL HARD. I THINK THAT SECRETARY...
05:01:24 Unidentified Speaker I KNOW THAT SENATOR LUGAR HAS LONG BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. A LOT OF US ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE. ...
05:03:39 Unidentified Speaker TERROR IS THE TOOL OF ISLAMIC EXTREMISM.
05:03:41 Unidentified Speaker YOU WOULDN'T REALLY THINK OF IT AS AS AN IDEOLOGY.
05:03:47 Unidentified Speaker I THINK OF ISLAM REAMISM AS
05:03:48 Unidentified Speaker SO DO I. TERROR IS THE --
05:03:51 Unidentified Speaker TERROR IS THE -- RIGHT. WE HAVE TAKED A LOT ABOUT THIS. THE FACT IS HAD EARLY ON WHAT WE HAVE HAD...
05:04:36 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF REACHING OUT TO MODERN ISLAM, BRINGING CLERICS, IMAMS, ETC.,...
05:04:52 Unidentified Speaker I DO THINK THAT INTERFAITH EFFORTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE DONE. I THINK A LOT OF IT IS GOING...
05:05:06 Unidentified Speaker ISN'T IT A PART OF PUBLIC DIPLOMACY BECAUSE --
05:05:09 Unidentified Speaker IT IS CERTAINLY A PART OF PUBLIC DIPLOMACY BUT I OFTEN THINK WE ARE TOO NARROW IF WE ONLY THINK IT...
05:05:19 Unidentified Speaker IN WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THIS ADMINISTRATION LEFT A FAITH-BASED ANALYSIS LYING BY THE WAYSIDE.
05:05:25 Unidentified Speaker THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH BUT THE NEED FOR INTERFAITH DIAL SLOG IMPORTANT. I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD...
05:05:53 Unidentified Speaker I MET WITH ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL LEADERS OF ISLAM IN CAIRO, AND THEY ARE FIGHTING THEIR OWN STRUGGLE....
05:06:13 Unidentified Speaker I COULDN'T AGREE MORE AND WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT. WE ARE TRYING IN SOME WAYS. YOU KNOW, THE BROADER...
05:07:42 Unidentified Speaker WELL, YES, THEY ARE AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND I HOPE YOU WILL REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. I THINK IT...
05:09:12 Unidentified Speaker IT WAS MEANT TO REFLECT THE RIPE BETWEEN RUSSIA. I THINK IT WAS WITH RESPECT TO THE UNITED STATES...
05:10:03 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THOUGHT THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. I'M SKEPTICAL OF A RAPID DEPLOYMENT PRIOR TO ITS BEING...
05:10:24 Unidentified Speaker WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEGUN DEPLOYMENT AND WILL CONTINUE DEPLOYMENT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT SOMETIMES IT'S...
05:10:38 Unidentified Speaker IF I CAN JUST SAY, SUM RIDING -- SUMMARIZING COUPLE OF THINGS, NUMBER ONE, YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU...
05:14:54 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU SENATOR, AND I FULLY ACCEPT AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
05:14:57 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
05:14:58 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
05:14:59 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR KERRY THAT'S THE GOOD NOTE ON WHICH TO CONCLUDE TODAY THAT THERE'S REACHING...
05:15:24 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

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