The Pentagon's New Map: Presentation & Call-In

Dec 20, 2004

C-SPAN Highlands Forum

Mr. Barnett gave a PowerPoint presentation derived from his book The Pentagon's New Map, a study on how globalization affects U.S. national security. He outlined an operational strategy for the U.S. and it's military in the post-September 11th world. The briefing was given at the Highlands Forum on December 6, 2004 in Alexandria, .. Read More
Mr. Barnett gave a PowerPoint presentation derived from his book The Pentagon's New Map, a study on how globalization affects U.S. national security. He outlined an operational strategy for the U.S. and it's military in the post-September 11th world. The briefing was given at the Highlands Forum on December 6, 2004 in Alexandria, Virginia. Following the presentation Mr. Barnett was in the C-SPAN studio to take viewer telephone calls and answer questions about his presentation. Mr. Barnett is the author of The Pentagon's New Map: War and Peace in the Twenty-First Century, published by Putnam Publishing Group. A briefing that Mr. Barnett has delivered hundreds of times in the past few years to government officials, military officers, business leaders and opinion makers inspired the book. In the book he described the changing natures of war, security, and foreign policy in the post-Cold War era. He explained a theory of the effects of globalization that combines security, economic, political, and cultural factors to forecast future military needs. He also used autobiographical elements to explain the behind the scenes workings of the Pentagon and how his PowerPoint presentation has been used. Thomas P.M. Barnett is a Senior Strategic Researcher at the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, and a former strategist in the Pentagon's Office of Force Transformation.

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00:00:28 none LIED LIKE TO DESCRIBE OF BRIEF OF A MULTIYEAR CONVERSATION I HAD WITH A WIDE VARIETY OF INDIVIDUALS...
01:29:06 Unidentified Speaker THOMAS BARNETT FROM THAT POWER POINT PRESENTATION EARLIER THIS MONTH IN VIRGINIA HERE TO C-SPAN. ...
01:29:16 Unidentified Speaker I GUESS I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ON THE AVERAGE, THREE TIMES A WEEK FOR THE LAST MAYBE 40 MONTHS.
01:29:24 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU LEARN ANYTHING NEW EVERY TIME YOU DO IT?
01:29:29 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY. IT WAS BEING BROADCAST OVERLAY BOR DAY WEEKEND, THE ONE I DID AT DEFENSE UNIVERSITY. ...
01:30:10 Unidentified Speaker IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, THE MIDDLE EAST, SOME OF THE TROUBLE SPOTS IN THIS WORLD TODAY. WHERE ELSE ARE...
01:30:19 Unidentified Speaker THE TWO BIG QUESTIONS FOR THE SECOND BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY THE QUESTION OF IRAN AND HOW YOU...
01:31:49 Unidentified Speaker AFTER GIVING YOU AND OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW IN ITS ENTIRETY THE 90-MINUTE POWER POINT PRESENTATION BY...
01:32:23 Unidentified Speaker THE "ESQUIRE" PUBLICATION WAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY I HAD IN THE MASS MEDIA OUTLET LIKE "ESQUIRE"...
01:33:05 Unidentified Speaker AT THE END OF THE BOOK YOU TALK ABOUT THE DEPOPULATION OF THE WORLD. WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON...
01:33:12 Unidentified Speaker THERE'S THE ARGUMENT THAT DEMGRAPHY IS DESTINY. SOMEONE MADE THE DISTINCTION OF DESCRIBE THAT FUNCTION...
01:34:24 Unidentified Speaker LET'S GET TO THE PHONE CALLS. LOS ANGELES, YOU'RE FIRST FOR AUTHOR TOM BARNETT. GOOD ENING.
01:34:29 Caller APPRECIATE NOT GETTING CUT OFF ON C-SPAN. MR. BARNETT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY YOU SUPPOSED RT POING THE...
01:35:10 Unidentified Speaker I THINK I GET THE GIST OF THAT.
01:35:17 Unidentified Speaker BECAUSE I WRITE IN BACK WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE FIRST BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND BECAUSE IT'S SUPPORTIVE...
01:36:30 Unidentified Speaker ROCK VEIL, MARYLAND.
01:36:31 Caller TOM, MY NAME IS CHUCK. I'VE BEEN STUDYING GLOBAL SECURITY THREATS AS WELL. COMPLIMENT YOU, YOU'RE...
01:36:39 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
01:36:40 Caller YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES, AT LEAST ONE TIME ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF PEACE. HAVING A DEPARTMENT...
01:37:11 Unidentified Speaker SURE. AS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PEACE, I NEVER DISCUSSED IT WITH DENNIS KUCINICH. MY WEB MASTER HAS....
01:40:58 Unidentified Speaker FOLLOW UP ON THE CALLER'S POINT. PAGE 108. IT GETS TO THE ESSENCE OF YOUR BOOK. IT'S A MOCK CLASSIFIED...
01:41:31 Unidentified Speaker THAT WAS A JOKE SLIDE I FOUND INSIDE THE PENTAGON PINNED TO A BULLETIN BOARD IN 1996. WHAT IT SAID...
01:42:30 Unidentified Speaker THE BOOK IS -- THE NEXT CALL IS MARYLAND. GOOD OWNING.
01:42:34 Caller DR. BASH NET, I READ YOUR BOOK AND I THINK I COMPREHEND YOUR VISION. AND I'M ENCOURAGED BY IT. MY...
01:43:06 Unidentified Speaker THANKS FOR THE CALL. WHAT IS A SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION FORCE?
01:43:09 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IT'S A NOTION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A FORCE THAT'S OPTITY MIZED TO DO POST-CONFLICT STABILIZATION,...
01:46:31 Unidentified Speaker AUTHOR AND PROFESSOR TOM BARNETT, GRADUATE FROM UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN. OUR NEXT CALL IS WACO, TEXAS....
01:46:38 Caller HELLO. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN. Y'ALL DO A GREAT JOB AND YOU'RE REALLY ENLIGHTENING....
01:46:51 Unidentified Speaker THANKS.
01:46:58 Caller I WANT TO ASK YOU, IN LIGHT OF YOUR PRESENTATION, IF IT WAS EXPLAINED AND APPROACHED THAT WAY FROM...
01:47:21 Unidentified Speaker IT'S MY BELIEF WHEN YOU'RE UP FRONT ABOUT THE GOALS AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS AND AS UP FRONT...
01:50:28 Unidentified Speaker TOM BARNETT APPEARED ON THIS NETWORK OVER THE MEMORIAL WEEKEND. IF YOU WANT TO READ THE TRANSCRIPT,...
01:50:46 Caller THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M DR. JAMES MONROE. I SPENT ABOUT THE LAST 2 TO 2 1/2 MONTHS STUDYING YOUR...
01:51:01 Unidentified Speaker GREAT.
01:51:03 Caller I'VE GOT TWO THINGS I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD COMMENT ON. ONE IS VERY STRANGE NOTION THAT HIT...
01:51:13 Unidentified Speaker OKAY.
01:51:14 Caller THE STRANGE NOTION WAS THAT I WAS READING WHAT YOU AND, IN YOUR CAPACITY, WERE DOING WITH CANCER FILGTS...
01:52:24 Unidentified Speaker CALLER, BEFORE WE GET AN ANSWER. WHERE DO YOU TEACH?
01:52:27 Caller BROWARD COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL AND SOCIAL SCIENCES.
01:52:32 Unidentified Speaker THE COURSE THAT YOU'RE TEACHING INVOLVES THIS BOOK?
01:52:34 Caller IT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE BOOK. BUT I AM SO TAKEN WITH THE BOOK AND SO MUCH AGREE WITH IT THAT I HAVE...
01:52:48 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU FOR THE CALL FROM
01:52:50 Unidentified Speaker YEAH. THAT'S VERY GRATIFYING TO HEAR. I SPECIFICALLY THOUGHT TO STRUCK CLUR THE BOOK IN MANY WAYS...
01:58:41 Unidentified Speaker POWER POINT PRESENTATION BESHOWED YOU EARLIER TONIGHT IS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. YOUR WEBSITE, THOMASPM...
01:58:53 Unidentified Speaker THAT WEBSITE WAS PUT TOGETHER FUNDAMENTALLY TO OFFER THE READER FOR THE BOOK IN EFFECT AN EXPANDED...
02:01:11 Unidentified Speaker THE BOOK IS CALLED "PENTAGON'S NEW MAP." NEXT CALL IS JACKSONVILLE, MISSOURI. GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
02:01:17 Caller HELLO. I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION IS EXCELLENT. THE REASON I'M CALLING IS I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT...
02:02:08 Unidentified Speaker YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT. I THINK IT'S VERY REFLECTIVE OF THE REALITY THAT WE BURCHED INTO...
02:06:15 Unidentified Speaker OUR CONVERSATION WITH DR. TOM BARNETT CONTINUES, IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO US ON C-SPAN RADIO, THAT NUMBER...
02:06:34 Caller GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU, C-SPAN AND DR. BARNETT. I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHTS. QUICK COMMENT AND A COUPLE...
02:07:18 Unidentified Speaker THE COMMENT ON THE FREE PRESS TO ME, IT'S INDICATIVE OF WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF KIND OF FINDING NEW...
02:11:03 Unidentified Speaker IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTINGED, EARLIER THIS MONTH, HE HAD THAT COLUMN THAT APPEARED "WINNING THE WAR...
02:11:39 Caller YES, DR. BARNETT. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION WITH THE UPCOMING QDR, INDEPTH LOOK AT U.S. STRATEGY FORCES...
02:12:09 Unidentified Speaker YEAH, THE QDR THE CALLER REFERS TO IS BASICALLY THIS CONGRESSIONALLY MANDATED MASSIVE REVIEW OF OUR...
02:13:53 Unidentified Speaker IT'S BECOME AN ENTIRE CAREER FOR ME IN EFFECT BECAUSE IT'S A DEMAND IS SO PROFOUND THROUGHOUT THE...
02:15:18 Unidentified Speaker GREENS BURGE, PENNSYLVANIA, GOOD EVENING. GO ALEAD, CALLER.
02:15:24 Caller HELLO?
02:15:25 Unidentified Speaker YES, GOOD EVENING KRP THIS IS NORTON, VIRGINIA.
02:15:29 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S OKAY.
02:15:33 Caller I WANTED TO ASK DR. BARNETT TO ELABORATE ON WHAT HE MEANT BY CIRCUMVENTING -- I HOPE I PRONOUNCED...
02:15:53 Unidentified Speaker I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DRAW A COMPLETE BLANK ON THE SECOND QUESTION OF WARFARE IN EASTER ISLAND. I'M...
02:17:55 Unidentified Speaker AT WHAT AGE DID YOU BEGIN THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS?
02:18:01 Unidentified Speaker FOR ME, KIND OF A SENSE OF A LARGER WORLD, COMES FROM CHINA, FRANKLY, IN THE EARLY 1970 PZ IT WAS...
02:18:28 Unidentified Speaker TEXAS, YOU'RE NEXT WITH TOM BARNETT.
02:18:34 Caller YES, I'D LIKE TO ASK DR. BARNETT, FIRST OF ALL, HOW DO YOU FAST FORWARD IN IRAQ? HOW DO WE GET INTO...
02:19:04 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, CALLER.
02:19:05 Unidentified Speaker YEAH. LET ME JUST GIVE THUMBNAIL SKETCHES BECAUSE I GIVE A DETAILED EXPLANATION IN THE UPCOMING ARTICLE...
02:22:06 Unidentified Speaker WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THE BOOK IN ONE POINT, 177, IT'S ONE THING FOR AMERICA TO ACT UNILATERALLY IN...
02:22:41 Unidentified Speaker HI.
02:22:42 Caller THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU. GO PACKERS.
02:22:47 Unidentified Speaker YEAH.
02:22:49 Caller TERRIBLE. OKAY. BUT MORE TO THE QUESTION, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRAVEL IN THE MIDDLE EAST BACK...
02:23:12 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT.
02:23:13 Caller THIS WAS BASED ON THE UNITED KINGDOM AS A CONTRACTED FROM WORLD POWER GIVEN A THING CALLED PARTITIONING....
02:23:26 Unidentified Speaker STOP YOU THERE IN ORDER TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND. THANK YOU, CALLER.
02:23:33 Unidentified Speaker YEAH, TO ME, YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOCAL BALANCE TO WHAT IS PERCEIVED AS A VERY POWERFUL ISRAEL. THAT...
02:26:44 Unidentified Speaker GP PUTNAM PUBLISHED THE BOOK OF THIS PAST FEBRUARY, MARCH OF THIS YEAR. BOOK NOTES OVER MEMORIAL DAY...
02:26:55 Caller GOOD ETCHING. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAD ANY CONFLICT ON THE FACT THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TEND TO...
02:27:26 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, CALLER.
02:27:29 Unidentified Speaker YEAH, I THINK BY AND LARGE THE DERIVE OF BLOGGERS AND LIES OF INTERNET-BASED NEWS IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY...
02:28:59 Unidentified Speaker SOUTH CAROLINA, YOU'RE NEXT. GOOD ENING.
02:29:02 Caller THANK YOU, DR. BARNETT AND C-SPAN FOR TAKING MY CALL. QUICKLY, A COMMENT AND THEN A QUESTION. BETWEEN...
02:29:20 Unidentified Speaker OKAY.
02:29:22 Caller THE REDIRECTION, THE REFOCUSING AND THEN AFTER 9/11, OF COURSE IT ALL CAME TOGETHER. OF COURSE, I...
02:29:45 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I DON'T LIKE TO COMMENT ON PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALING AND WHETHER THEY BUY OR DON'T BUY INTO IT....
02:32:10 Unidentified Speaker AFTER A 90-MINUTE POWER POINT PRESENTATION AND AN HOUR OF TALKING TO OUR CALLERS, WHAT THE S. THE...
02:32:20 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THINK WHAT ATTRACTED PUTNAM ORIGINALLY TO THE BOOK PROPOSAL, I THINK WHAT DROVE THE ENORMOUS...
02:33:43 Unidentified Speaker THOMAS BARNETT, NOW LIVES IN ROT ISLAND. "THE PENTAGON'S NEW MAP." YOU CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON...
02:33:57 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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