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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS NICK POMGRASS. I'M THE PRESIDENT... |
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THANKS, EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT TO BE HERE. TRULY AN HONOR. IT'S NICE TO BE BACK IN WISCONSIN FOR A LITTLE... |
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I WAS NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES AND I WANTED TO ASK... |
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THERE SHOULD BE. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. NO, THERE ISN'T RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. BUT WHAT... |
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WAIT, WAIT. |
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598-4000. NIGER INNIS, ZERO BOYNES JR., ANYBODY THERE WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET YOU INVOLVED. |
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CAN YOU REPEAT IT ONE MORE TIME? |
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SURE. 212-598-4000. |
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IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO GET NIGER. HE'S RUNNING IN SO MANY DIRECTIONS ANY GIVEN DAY, BUT ASK FOR CERL,... |
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THANK YOU. |
| 00:42:41 |
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SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ONE. AND THEN AFRICA FIGHTING MALARIA OVER THERE IN SOUTH AFRICA, GO TO MY... |
| 00:42:58 |
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I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WAS THE CONCEPT OF... |
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SURE. |
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I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IS WITH TECHNOLOGY OR ANYTHING NEW, WE RUSH INTO IT AND DON'T MAYBE... |
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AND ELECTRICITY TO HALF OF EGYPT, PERHAPS. |
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RIGHT. THE PROBLEM IS NO ANNUAL FLOODING, IT WOULD NO LONGER BE DEPOSITED. ALSO THINGS LIKE WHEN... |
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CONSTANT BATTLE, ISN'T IT? GO BACK TO NEW YORK CITY, TURN OF THE CENTURY, THERE WEREN'T ANY CARS,... |
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I HAVE A QUESTION. WE TALKED ABOUT [INAUDIBLE]. I'M WONDERING [INAUDIBLE] SOLAR WIND POWER TO AFRICA... |
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I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S EVER DONE AN ACTUAL STUDY ON THAT. IF WE LOOK AT CALIFORNIA, AS I SAID... |
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WHAT IF WE WENT FROM ZERO TO AFRICA PRODUCING THE SAME ENERGY REQUIREMENTS AS IN THE UNITED STATES?... |
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I DON'T KNOW. THIS PROBABLY HAVE BEEN ON A LOCAL LEVEL. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO HAVE CLINICS, TO... |
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YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL PROMINENT COMPANIES IN YOUR LECTURE HERE. WHY DO THEY THINK IT'S THEIR BUSINESS... |
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WELL, THEY TEND TO GET INVOLVED IN SOMETHING CALLED THE SUSTAINABILITY MOVEMENT OR THEY GET BADGERED... |
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RATHER THAN CONSTRUCTING HYDROELECTRIC DAMS IN DEVELOPING NATIONS, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO CONDUCT... |
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YEAH. YEAH, SOMETIMES. BUT SOMETIMES THEY ALSO WANT THE IRRIGATION WATER. THEY WANT THE SAFE WATER... |
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YEAH. |
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MOMENTITO. JUST A SECOND. OVER HERE. YOU GET TO BE ON TV, MAYBE. |
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THERE ARE SOME OF THESE CUTE COMMUNITIES IN CANADA AND WITHIN PEOPLE'S LIFETIMES THERE THEY HAVE ALL... |
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YEAH. |
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AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO BRING THE STUFF IN, BUT HOW CAN PEOPLE PAY FOR... |
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GOOD POINTS. AND THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS. MY FRIENDS UP IN BARREL, ALASKA, AND CACTOVIC ISLAND,... |
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WELL, I GUESS I WOULD START BY SAYING THAT I'D FOUND YOUR TALK FILLED WITH JUST BIZARRE AND HYPE BOLIC... |
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I DIDN'T EXACTLY SAY THAT, BUT GO AHEAD. |
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WELL, YOU BROUGHT IT UP IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS INDIA AND OTHERS. |
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UH-HUH. |
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INDIA IS ALSO A RELATIVELY WEALTHY DEMOCRACY, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THE NRDC IS IMPOSING THEIR WILL... |
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YEAH. |
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EVEN IF YOU SAY IT WAS BEFORE THAT, EVEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT TO EARTH DAY AND SAY 1970 MAGICALLY... |
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OK. |
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I MEAN -- |
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LET'S TRY TO ZERO IN ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. LET ME BACK UP TO YOUR -- TO THE BEGINNING. YOU TALKED... |
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AT THE BEGINNING. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. SO THAT WAS WHAT REALLY KIND OF PUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT... |
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HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE RECORD OF CAPITALIST DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO THE INFLUENCE OF THESE ENVIRONMENTAL... |
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WELL, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CAPITALIST DEVELOPMENT THAT WASN'T PAYING A LOT OF... |
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HANG ON. OK? IT DID A LOT OF GOOD THINGS, AND THAT'S WHY I GOT INVOLVED IN IT. IT CLEANED UP OUR... |
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ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT IN YOUR BOOK IS HOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT TAKES DECISION-MAKING... |
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TERRIFIC QUESTION. WISH I HAD A TERRIFIC ANSWER. YOU GO TO ZIMBABWE OR SOME OTHER PLACES, AND PART... |
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CAN I ASK YOU WHERE -- [INAUDIBLE] |
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IT'S COMING INTO MEXICO. YOU ARE SEEING IT POP UP IN OTHER PLACES, SO TO SPEAK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH... |
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I'M FROM MEXICO, SO -- |
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I THINK YOU ARE SEEING IT, AND WHEN I WAS IN CANCUN FOR THE W.T.O., ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS TOOK... |
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IN THE -- [INAUDIBLE] THERE IS A LOT OF DAMS AND ELECTRIC POWER. YET, THE PEOPLE IN CHAPAS DO NOT... |
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YEAH. |
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THERE'S -- IT'S 60% OF THE POWER IN MEXICO. |
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YEAH. THIS IS -- |
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YET THE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE POWER. |
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THIS IS AN ISSUE. I'VE HAD SOME INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS WITH DESOCIETYO AND OTHER FOLKS ON THIS, AND... |
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I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ABOUT THE CORN IN MEXICO. I RECENTLY, LIKE, READ THAT BECAUSE OF FREE TRADE,... |
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UH-HUH. |
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I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE, WITH FREE TRADE AND EVERYTHING AND EVENTUALLY ALL THESE COUNTRIES, LIKE,... |
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THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH CHIAPAS AND THE COMPASINOS. THESE WERE LITTLE FARMERS, LITTLE TINY... |
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OK. |
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SOME OTHER QUESTIONS? RUTH. |
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I -- |
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HOLD ON. |
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I WANT TO KNOW WHY -- IS THAT HARMFUL? ZUE HUH. |
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YES, WE KNOW. THESE ARE OUR -- THE OTHER DAY ABOUT AND THE ADS ON TV AND HOW MANY HERE HEAR BITS AND... |
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IT'S NOT. |
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BUT THE RATE OF INCREASE IS UNPRECEDENTED. |
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NO. LET'S NOT TRY TO JUMP TWO THINGS. LET'S DO D.D.T.,OK? WE CAN COME BACK AND DO CLIMATE -- |
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I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE TEND TO MAKE VERY SIMPLISTIC STATEMENTS.... |
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LET ME GO BEYOND THE SIM LISTIC STATEMENTS AND TELL YOU WHY I SAID THAT. NUMBER ONE, WHEN RACHEL CARSON... |
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I'M WONDERING ABOUT YOUR PARENT OPPOSITION TO SOLAR AND WIND TO RENEWABLE ENERGY. I KNOW FOR A FACT... |
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YES. I'M NOT -- I DON'T MEAN TO MISLEAD YOU AND SUGGEST THAT I'M WHOLLY DISMIVEIVE WHAFMENT I'M DISMISSIVE... |
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YEAH. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT D.D.T., AND YOU SAID THAT WITH APPEAR KEGS ON HOUSES, YOU CAN SAFE A... |
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DID EVERYBODY HERE THAT, HER COMMENT. YEAH? CLEARLY, D.D.T. OPPOSITION BY RAKEL -- HAD POSITIVE BENEFITS.... |
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YEAH. I GUESS -- [INAUDIBLE] |
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CORPORATE INTERESTS, GOVERNMENT, MILITARY HAS A LOT OF POWER. |
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SURE. |
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THERE IS A RULE FOR ENVIRONMENTALIST VOICE TO MAKE DECISION BS WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS GOING ON... |
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YEAH. MY POINT IS -- |
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NOT SAYING LIKE ANY ONE OF THOSE INTEREST GROUPS SHOULD HAVE THE IMPERIALIST PULL THAT YOU HAVE, BUT... |
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YEAH. MY POINT IS IT'S REAL EASY FOR US, ACTIVEESTS OR FOLKS GENERALLY IN THE UNITED STATES, IN OUR... |
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SO YOUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE WOULD BE FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD TO HAVE ONE MONO-CULTURE OF PEOPLE AND... |
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NO. NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I WOULDN'T WANT THAT. EVERYBODY IS GOING TO PUT THEIR OWN INTERPRETATION... |
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THAT WASN'T REALLY MY MAIN |
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I'M SORRY. THEN WHAT'S -- |
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IT'S DO YOU -- WOULD IT BE, LIKE -- WOULD YOU LIKE THEM TO HAVE THOSE OPTIONS AVAILABLE AND DO YOU... |
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I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE. I AM NOT A TRUE BELIEVER IN THIS MASSIVE RESOURCE DEPLETION THAT WE HEAR ABOUT... |
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THE FUMES THAT ARE NOT TECHNOLOGICAL. LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I READ IN THE GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER, IN THE... |
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WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? |
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BECAUSE OF -- |
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I MISSED THE LAST THING ABOUT THE POPULATION. |
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IT WOULD DECREASE TO 35 MILLION PEOPLE BECAUSE OF LESS FOOD. |
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YEAH. |
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WHAT THEY FORGOT WAS THAT YIELDS HAVE INCREASED BASICALLY. |
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YEAH. |
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AND THAT'S TRUE. THIS IS WHAT NORMAN BORLOG ARGUED FROM DAY ONE WITH HIS GREEN REVOLUTION. THE CLUB... |
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WHICH ONE? |
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THIS GUY HERE IN THE YELLOW SHIRT. TALK UP JUST A LITTLE LOUDER. |
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HOW MANY YEARS UNTIL THE OIL RUNS OUT OR DECREASES RAPIDLY? I MISSED THE BEGINNING OF YOUR TALK, SO... |
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I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. I'M WANT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN IN GUATEMALA. |
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JUST GENERAL USES OF CHEMICALS IN MODERN TECHNOLOGY TIMES, INDIGENOUS CULTURES. |
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OK. I DON'T KNOW SPECIFIC CHEMICALS DOWN THERE. MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF D.D.T., I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING... |
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YEAH. I WANTED TO ASK YOU FOLKS THE LAST ON HELPING PEOPLE IN AFRICA, AND THERE ARE ENERGY CONCERNS.... |
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THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT'S NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT HEALTH PROBLEM. MALARIA IS. IT AFFECTS FAR... |
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AIDS IS JUST COMING INTO AFRICA. |
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WELL, IT'S BEEN THERE -- THE PRESIDENT'S INITIATIVE FOR A VERY REAL REASON IS CALLED THE GLOBAL FUND... |
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WHY DIDN'T YOU TALK ABOUT AIDS IN YOUR TALK? |
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I KNOW. THE REASON IS SIMPLY I TRIED TO FOCUS ON ONE MAJOR PROBLEM THAT AFRICA FACES RIGHT NOW, AND... |
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YOU NEVER GET -- |
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GET MY BOOK. GET -- NO, GET MY BOOK. IT'S FOOTNOTED EXTENSIVELY. W.H.O. WILL ADMIT THIS. THEY JUST... |
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WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT AIDS? |
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I AM TELLING YOU. THE REASON IS I'M NOT TRYING TO COVER EVERYTHING TONIGHT HERE. I AM NOT TRYING TO... |
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THANK YOU. YOU'VE BEEN GREAT. GOOD QUESTIONS. I REALLY ENJOYED IT. |
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WE WANT TO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING TONIGHT. WE'VE GOT BOOKS HERE THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
