Iraqi Weapons Programs

Jan 28, 2004

Senate Committee Armed Services

Mr. Kay testified about his report on weapons of mass destruction and related programs in Iraq. He also talked about intelligence reports on weapons prior to the war in Iraq, the absence of weapons systems following the war, and what evidence he had forum following the resumption of investigations after the war.
Mr. Kay testified about his report on weapons of mass destruction and related programs in Iraq. He also talked about intelligence reports on weapons prior to the war in Iraq, the absence of weapons systems following the war, and what evidence he had forum following the resumption of investigations after the war.

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00:00:24 none ON HIS EFFORTS
00:00:28 Unidentified Speaker A INDUSTRIES A FURTHER REPORT FROM DAVID KAY ON HIS EFFORTS AND THE EFFORTS OF THE TEAM WHICH HE WAS...
00:10:58 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET ME JOIN YOU IN WELCOMING DR. KAY TO THE HEARING. AND STATING OUR THANKS...
00:20:51 Unidentified Speaker DR. KAY, WE'LL NOW RECEIVE FROM YOU ANY PRELIMINARY COMMENTS YOU WISH TO MAKE.
00:20:55 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. AS YOU KNOW, AND WE DISCUSSED, I DO NOT HAVE A WRITTEN STATEMENT....
00:31:30 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COLLEAGUES, WE'LL GO TO A ROUND OF SIX MINUTES. IN THE EVENT THERE'S A VOTE, ...
00:32:48 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
00:32:52 Unidentified Speaker THAT, GIVEN THE SIZE OF IRAQ , CALIFORNIA. THE SIZE OF BAGHDAD, LOS ANGELES, WE COULD SCOMPUFFER SOME...
00:33:13 Unidentified Speaker I CERTAINLY THINK THAT'S A THEORETICAL POSSIBILITY, YES.
00:33:18 Unidentified Speaker SO, MAYBE WE BETTER NOT PRONOUNCE WE'RE ALL WRONG YET. BECAUSE I THINK, UNTIL WE HAVE FINISHED THE...
00:33:35 Unidentified Speaker MAY I ONLY ADD, LOOK, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR ME TO BE AGAINST CONTINUED INVESTIGATION...
00:35:03 Unidentified Speaker BUT THE OPERATIVE WORD IN YOUR ASSUMPTION IS "LARGE." SEVERAL SMALL CACHES COULD CONSTITUTE AN IMMINENT...
00:35:15 Unidentified Speaker AND THAT'S -- ALWAYS POSSIBLE.
00:35:17 Unidentified Speaker PARDON?
00:35:19 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE AND I DOUBT THAT WE WILL EVER -- I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE -- THEY COULD BE THERE...
00:35:26 Unidentified Speaker LET'S GIVE THIS PROCESS A CHANCE TO CONTINUE. AND I THINK --
00:35:29 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
00:35:30 Unidentified Speaker AND WE AGREE THAT THERE COULD BE THE DISCOVERY IN SOME FUTURE DATE OF THE EVIDENCE WHICH CONFIRMS,...
00:35:59 Unidentified Speaker I'VE SAID I THINK 85% OF THE MAJOR ELEMENTS OF THE IRAQI PROGRAM ARE PROBABLY KNOWN. THAT'S NOT 85%...
00:36:09 Unidentified Speaker BUT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, YOU'VE EMPHASIZED THAT 15% YET TO BE DONE COULD YIELD PRODUCTIVE EVIDENCE...
00:36:22 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S TRUE PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ASSISTED THAT PROGRAM...
00:36:36 Unidentified Speaker CLEARLY, AT THE OUTBREAK OF THE WAR OR PRIOR THERETO AND DURING THE WAR, AN AWFUL LOT OF DESTRUCTION...
00:37:13 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY. I THINK I'VE SAID, BUT LET ME BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ABOUT IT. IRAQ WAS IN CLEAR MATERIAL...
00:37:37 Unidentified Speaker PART OF THAT PROGRAM WERE MISSILES, CLEARLY. CLEARLY IN DEFIANCE OF THE U.N. RESOLUTION IN TERMS OF...
00:37:57 Unidentified Speaker YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
00:38:01 Unidentified Speaker COULD YOU SAY THAT THE WORK THUS FAR OF THE I.S.G. AND I RECOUNTED A NUMBER OF THINGS INCLUDING THE...
00:38:29 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR WARNER, I THINK THE WORLD IS FAR SAFER WITH THE DISAPPEARANCE AND THE REMOVAL OF SADDAM HUSSEIN....
00:39:15 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, DR. SENATOR LEVIN.
00:39:28 Unidentified Speaker DR. KAY, ON THE QUESTION OF STOCKPILES. YOU HAVE STATED, I BELIEVE, THAT IN YOUR OPINION, IRAQ DID...
00:39:45 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S CORRECT.
00:39:47 Unidentified Speaker YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAD ANY STOCKPILES, LARGE OR SMALL, IN 2002?
00:39:51 Unidentified Speaker SIMPLY HAVE NO EVIDENCE, SENATOR.
00:39:54 Unidentified Speaker YOU HAVE NOT UNCOVERED ANY EVIDENCE OF SMALL STOCKPILES?
00:39:58 Unidentified Speaker WE HAVE NOT UNCOVERED ANY SMALL STOCKPILES, THAT'S CORRECT.
00:40:03 Unidentified Speaker HAVE YOU UNCOVERED EVIDENCE OF SMALL STOCKPILES IN 2002?
00:40:07 Unidentified Speaker WE HAD EVIDENCE THEY COULD HAVE PRODUCED SMALL AMOUNTS BUT WE HAVE NOT DISCOVERED EVIDENCE OF THE...
00:40:21 Unidentified Speaker ON THE QUESTION OF THE VANS. ACCORDING TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" ON JANUARY 26, YOU INDICATED THAT THERE'S...
00:40:47 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S -- PROBABLY NOT MY EXACT WORDS BUT ROUGHLY ACCURATE. I THINK THE CONSENSUS OPINION IS THAT...
00:41:09 Unidentified Speaker NOW, ON JANUARY 22, A WEEK AGO, VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY SAID THAT WE KNOW FOR FOR EXAMPLE THAT PRIOR...
00:42:43 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR LEVIN, THE SHORT AND OBVIOUS ANSWER IS, AM I AWARE OF WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS READING...
00:42:49 Unidentified Speaker HAVE YOU SEEN INTELLIGENCE WHICH WOULD SUPPORT THAT CONCLUSION?
00:42:53 Unidentified Speaker YES, I HAVE. IN FACT, IF YOU HAD ASKED ME, AS I THINK IN FACT YOU DID, OR MEMBERS OF SENATOR ROBERTS'...
00:43:22 Unidentified Speaker AND NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT SHIFTING TARGET THING. I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE SAID THE CONCLUSIVE...
00:43:40 Unidentified Speaker IT IS MY VIEW OF THE CONSENSUS OPINION BUT THERE ARE NO DOUBT GIVEN THE NATURE OF OPINIONS PEOPLE...
00:43:48 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT, BUT IN YOUR JUDGMENT, THE CONSENSUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY NOW IS THAT THOSE ARE...
00:43:57 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS MY PERSONAL JUDGMENT. OTHERS MAY WELL HOLD A DIFFERENT ONE.
00:44:01 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND OUT THE BASIS OF THE VICE PRESIDENT'S STATEMENT --...
00:44:48 Unidentified Speaker WOULD THE SENATOR YIELD ON THAT POINT?
00:44:50 Unidentified Speaker FIRST, IF I COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR CHAIRMAN WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ASK THE VICE PRESIDENT...
00:44:58 Unidentified Speaker I THINK I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
00:45:00 Unidentified Speaker I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT FRANKLY FROM THE VICE PRESIDENT. IN WRITING.
00:45:04 Unidentified Speaker WE'VE GOT TO CONTINUE HERE, COLLEAGUES. I'M GOING TO ASK THE INDULGES OF COMMITTEE, THE CHAIR REQUEST...
00:45:34 Unidentified Speaker SUPPORT.
00:45:35 Unidentified Speaker SENATE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED?
00:45:40 Unidentified Speaker MY FINAL QUESTION, DR. KAY, SUBJECT TO THE CHAIR PERHAPS COMMENTING ON MY QUESTION IS THIS -- IS IT...
00:46:06 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR LEVIN THIS IS AN AREA WHERE SENATOR WARNER REFERRED, THIS IS WHERE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT...
00:46:31 Unidentified Speaker BUT IT'S YOUR JUDGMENT THAT THEY WERE NOT RELATED TO URANIUM ENRICHMENT?
00:46:36 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S MY JUDGMENT. PROBABLY NOT BASED ON EVIDENCE BUT THERE IS STILL MORE EVIDENCE POSSIBLE TO GAIN....
00:46:40 Unidentified Speaker MY SECOND FINAL QUESTION -- DO YOU, IN YOUR JUDGMENT, DID IRAQ -- HAD IRAQ RECONSTITUTED ITS NUCLEAR...
00:46:57 Unidentified Speaker IT WAS IN THE EARLY STAGES. IT WAS NOT A RECONSTITUTED FULL-BLOWN NUCLEAR PROGRAM.
00:47:02 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
00:47:04 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I WILL TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION YOUR REQUEST. I THINK SENATOR ROBERTS, WHEN IT COMES HIS...
00:47:12 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, DR. KAY, FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY FOR MANY YEARS. WE'RE...
00:48:01 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
00:48:03 Unidentified Speaker HE USED THEM AGAINST THE IRANIANS AND THE KURDS.
00:48:06 Unidentified Speaker OH, YES.
00:48:09 Unidentified Speaker OK.
00:48:11 Unidentified Speaker AND U.N. INSPECTORS FOUND ENORMOUS QUANTITIES OF BANNED CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS IN IRAQ IN...
00:48:19 Unidentified Speaker YES.
00:48:21 Unidentified Speaker AND SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD ONCE A VERY ACTIVE NUCLEAR PROGRAM.
00:48:23 Unidentified Speaker YES.
00:48:25 Unidentified Speaker AND HE REALIZED AND HAD AMBITIONS TO DEVELOP AND USE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
00:48:28 Unidentified Speaker CLEARLY.
00:48:29 Unidentified Speaker SO, THE POINT IS, IF HE WERE IN POWER TODAY, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT HE WOULD HAVE HARBOR AMBITIONS...
00:48:41 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT. I THINK I'VE SAID THAT, SENATOR.
00:48:44 Unidentified Speaker GOOD. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS POINT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY BEEN AN INTELLIGENCE...
00:48:53 Unidentified Speaker I AGREE.
00:48:55 Unidentified Speaker WHEN YOU STATED -- WHEN YOU ANSWERED A QUESTION FROM REUTERS, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STOCKPILES OF BIOLOGICAL...
00:49:37 Unidentified Speaker CERTAINLY TRUE, SENATOR. I PROBABLY LEARNED NOT TO SPEAK TO WIRE REPORTERS AND EVEN TO WATCH OUT FOR...
00:49:50 Unidentified Speaker BUT YOU AGREE WITH THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE HERE THAT WHAT WE DID WAS A JUSTIFIED AND ENHANCED THE...
00:50:05 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
00:50:07 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
00:50:08 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ESTABLISH BECAUSE IN THE POLITICAL SEASON, THAT'S IMPORTANT, NOT FINDING THE ...
00:50:32 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I WOULD NOT PRETEND I KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS OR EVEN KNOW ALL THE QUESTIONS. TO GET AT THAT....
00:51:08 Unidentified Speaker INCLUDING INTELLIGENCE GAINED BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.
00:51:11 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S CORRECT. AND DID NOT DEVELOP OUR OWN HUMAN SOURCES THERE. THIS GOES BACK, QUITE FRANKLY, THE...
00:52:39 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU BELIEVE THOSE THAT PROVIDED FALSE INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATES OUGHT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE?
00:52:43 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
00:52:44 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU BELIEVE WE NEED AN INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION?
00:52:51 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR --
00:52:53 Unidentified Speaker YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE TO.
00:52:57 Unidentified Speaker NO -- IT'S REALLY WHAT GOES TO THE HEART OF THE INTEGRITY OF OUR OWN PROCESS. I GENERALLY BELIEVE...
00:53:43 Unidentified Speaker NOT ONLY FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST BUT SO THAT WE CAN RELY ON INTELLIGENCE IN THE FUTURE.
00:53:50 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD SAY ENTIRELY WITH REGARD TO THE FUTURE. WITCH HUNTING IS NOT A PROFITABLE INQUIRY. IT'S FOR...
00:53:59 Unidentified Speaker AGAIN, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE GET A CHANCE TO SEE AGAIN SOMEONE WHO SERVED THIS COUNTRY WITH A...
00:54:09 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
00:54:11 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR MCCAIN. SENATOR KENNEDY.
00:54:15 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, DR. KAY. I JOIN IN ALL OF THOSE THAT -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY. IT...
00:57:16 Unidentified Speaker YES, SENATOR. HI FULL ACCESS TO EVERYTHING IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY WITH REGARD TO IRAQ.
00:57:22 Unidentified Speaker 2 -- HAD YOU IT WITH REGARD TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S INTELLIGENCE?
00:57:27 Unidentified Speaker YES.
00:57:30 Unidentified Speaker ALL OF THOSE WITH THEIR CONCLUSIONS THAT I READ JUST SUMMARIES OF THEIR CONCLUSIONS?
00:57:37 Unidentified Speaker I HAD THAT AS WELL AS THE INDIVIDUALS. HI ON MY -- ALL MY TEAM MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY...
00:57:47 Unidentified Speaker WELL, DO YOU SEE -- CAN YOU GIVE US ANY EXPLANATION OF WHY THESE AGENCYNESS RETROSPECT APPEARED TO...
00:58:21 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR KENNEDY, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE IN THE SHORT TIME I HAVE TO REPLY TO TAKE YOU FULLY THROUGH THAT....
00:59:16 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S -- JUST TO COME BACK, AS WE HAVE LIMITTED TIME, GATHERING SERIOUS THREAT, DO YOU REALLY THINK...
00:59:33 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, THAT'S PROBABLY FAR MORE IN YOUR REALM THAN IN MY REALM. I WILL TAKE SENATOR MCCAIN'S DEFENSE...
00:59:43 Unidentified Speaker NO. I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR APPEARANCE HERE. I THINK THAT -- WHEN WE LOOK...
01:00:31 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR KENNEDY. COLLEAGUES, JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE ANNOUNCEMENT. WE HAD SCHEDULED THIS...
01:01:12 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
01:01:14 Unidentified Speaker I APPRECIATE ALSO THE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD IN BEING STRAIGHTFORWARD. OUT OF CURIOSITY,...
01:01:55 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, WE WRESTLED HOURS WITH TRYING TO GET AN EXPLANATION FOR IRAQI AND PARTICULARLY SADDAM'S BEHAVIOR...
01:02:43 Unidentified Speaker AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD ANSWER. I APPRECIATE THAT. SENATOR WARNER TALKED ABOUT -- SENATOR LEVIN TALKED...
01:03:32 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, THE REASON -- WE ACTUALLY FOUND ADDITIONAL WARHEADS DURING -- SAME --
01:03:36 Unidentified Speaker 736 AFTER THAT.
01:03:37 Unidentified Speaker YES. AFTERWARDS. IS THAT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE -- CLEARLY, THEY WERE IN VIOLATION NOT HAVING DECLARED...
01:04:01 Unidentified Speaker AS I CONSIDER THAT TO BE A WEAPON OF ANYTHING THAT CAN POTENTIALLY KILL A MILLION PEOPLE AS A WEAPON...
01:05:08 Unidentified Speaker I CERTAINLY -- LOOK, THE -- SADDAM BEING DECEIVED WAS A COMMON PHENOMENON AFTER 1998 AND CROSSED ALL...
01:05:44 Unidentified Speaker I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSES. THANK YOU.
01:05:53 Unidentified Speaker THE SENATOR IS REQUIRED TO BE ON THE FLOOR FOR THE VOTE AND OTHER REASONS. I WILL PUT INTO THE RECORD...
01:06:11 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, I JOIN WITH MY COLLEAGUES IN THAGE YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC...
01:07:25 Unidentified Speaker THERE WERE TWO FACTORS THAT LED ME TO BELIEVE IT WAS THE APPROPRIATE TO TIME TO RETURN TO PRIVATE...
01:09:50 Unidentified Speaker WELL, DR. KAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION BUT IT RAISES TWO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AT LEAST IN MY...
01:12:00 Unidentified Speaker IT IS A COMPRESSED BUT FAIR AND I MUST SAY I HAD, AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE, I HAD A NUMBER...
01:12:28 Unidentified Speaker MY ON TIME HAS EXPIRED. BUT I THINK THAT RIGHTLY DOES RAISE QUESTIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE EXAMINING...
01:12:51 Unidentified Speaker LET ME JUST ADD TO THAT, WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF IRAQIS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND SAID WE DID NOT...
01:13:45 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
01:13:46 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, THAT QUESTION YOU RAISED IS AN IMPORTANT ONE AND OUR WITNESS ADDRESSED IT AND GAVE HIS VIEWS...
01:14:52 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR WARNER, AS UNDERSTAND, COMPETING PRIORITIES ARE THE HARDEST CHOICE IN A MILITARY COMMANDER....
01:15:35 Unidentified Speaker THE URGENCY OF THE LOSS OF LIFE AND LIMB AMONG THE COALITION FORCES DICTATED BRINGING TOGETHER QUICKLY...
01:15:45 Unidentified Speaker THAT WAS CERTAINLY THE GENERAL'S JUDGMENT.
01:15:50 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
01:15:52 Unidentified Speaker IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO VOTE, I'M NOT SAFE STAYING. AS LONG AS YOU ARE HERE, I KNOW THEY WON'T CALL...
01:15:59 Unidentified Speaker I REALIZE THAT. I WILL GUARANTEE YOU, YOU ARE GOING TO BE --
01:16:03 Unidentified Speaker I WILL BE BRIEF. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I KNOW THAT -- I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE BELIEVED...
01:18:40 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, SENATOR. I THINK -- BOTH IN THE REGION AND HE THOUGHT OF THEM AS A POTENTIAL WEAPON...
01:18:58 Unidentified Speaker I NOTICED THAT -- BELIEVE AT ONE POINT YOU NOTED THAT EVEN HIS OWN MILITARY OFFICERS BELIEVED THEY...
01:19:10 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IN INTERVIEWING THE REPUBLIC GUARD GENERALS AND SPECIAL REPUBLIC GUARD GENERALS AND ASKING ABOUT...
01:20:07 Unidentified Speaker IT IS TRUE, I THINK, NO ONE CAN DISPUTE THAT HAD HE NOT HAD THESE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND...
01:20:21 Unidentified Speaker YES, I THINK THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S ONE -- HAS ALWAYS BEEN A MYSTERY FOR US TO DETERMINE. HOW -- WHY...
01:20:33 Unidentified Speaker THAT WAS CERTAINLY, I THINK, ON THE HEART AND MIND OF THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. WE JUST FELT THAT THE...
01:21:19 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY. A NUMBER OF THOSE IN CUSTODY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT GREATLY AS ONE REASON THEY ARE NOT...
01:21:29 Unidentified Speaker SO NOT BEING UNCLEVER, THEY WOULD KNOW AND WOULD HAVE A REAL INCENTIVE TO DESTROY EVERY EVIDENCE THAT...
01:21:48 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S RIGHT, SENATOR. THAT'S WHY I REFERRED TO THE -- THERE'S PROBABLY A LEVEL OF UNRESOLVEABLE AMBIGUITY...
01:22:00 Unidentified Speaker AND -- IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMB, I THINK -- YOU INDICATED INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAS MADE MISTAKES...
01:22:51 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY NOT. ING IN FACT, SENATOR SESSIONS, YOU KNOW, I WON'T SAY FUNNY. IT IS ONE OF THE STRANGE...
01:23:39 Unidentified Speaker THEY LONG FOR THE TOWN TO TALK TO SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY.
01:23:41 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. AND --
01:23:44 Unidentified Speaker I THOUGHT -- IT WAS ODD THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS CRITICIZED FOR GOING OVER ON A SATURDAY MORNING AND...
01:24:01 Unidentified Speaker IT IS MY DISTINCT PLEASURE SERVING AS THE ACTING PRESIDING CHAIRMAN TO RECOGNIZE SENATOR REID FOR...
01:24:16 Unidentified Speaker DR. KAY, LET ME COMBED YOU ON YOUR INTEGRITY. IN YOUR DISCUSSION WITH TOM BROKAW YOU WERE ASKED OF...
01:24:45 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR REED, IT MEANS ANY PRESIDENT WHEN HE'S PRESENTED WITH INTELLIGENCE HAS GOT TO MAKE A CHOICE...
01:25:43 Unidentified Speaker ALSO, DOCTOR, THAT JUDGMENT HAS TO BE LOGICALLY RELATED TO THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. AND...
01:26:21 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR REED, I THINK IT IS OFTEN EASY TO FORGET IN THE CASE OF SADDAM, HERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO...
01:27:03 Unidentified Speaker YOU WERE QUOTED, IF ANYONE WAS ABUSED BY THE INTELLIGENCE IT WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...
01:27:11 Unidentified Speaker NO, SIR. WHAT I'M SUGGEST SING THAT THE ACTUAL FACTS ON THE GROUND WILL TURN OUT TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY...
01:27:58 Unidentified Speaker USED THE TERM ABUSED BY THE INTELLIGENCE.
01:28:01 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK -- IF HE WAS --
01:28:06 Unidentified Speaker MISLED?
01:28:07 Unidentified Speaker IF I WERE YOUR BROKER AND YOU WERE INVESTING ON MY ADVICE -- SOMETHING I WOULD NOT ADVISE YOU TO DO...
01:28:29 Unidentified Speaker PART OF THE INTELLIGENCE PROCESS, I UNDERSTAND, IS NOT ONLY THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE AND ANALYSIS...
01:28:51 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR REED, I WAS NOT PARTY TO THAT. I HOPE IN WHATEVER PROCESS OR REVIEW IS GOING ON THAT THE FULL...
01:29:17 Unidentified Speaker DR. KAY, IS NORTH KOREA TODAY A GATHERING SERIOUS THREAT?
01:29:22 Unidentified Speaker NORTH KOREA IS AN ENIGMA WITH PROBABLY NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND LONG-RANGE MISSILES. I WOULD PROBABLY PUT...
01:29:31 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE APPROACHING NORTH KOREA WITH THE SAME DEEPLY FLAWED INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY THAT ABUSED THE...
01:29:37 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHETHER WE ARE APPROACHING IT WITH THE SAME DEEP -- AN -- IN A CASE WHERE THE...
01:29:52 Unidentified Speaker DR. KAY, THE U.N. INSPECTORS WERE READMITTED INTO IRAQ FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME. HAD THEY BEEN ALLOWED...
01:30:07 Unidentified Speaker ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT AMONG EXTENSIVE BODY OF U.N. -- IRAQI SCIENTISTS TALKING TO US, THEY HAVE SAID...
01:30:29 Unidentified Speaker JUST ONE FINAL POINT BECAUSE MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. I DO RECOLLECT THAT THERE WAS SOME MISSILES DESTROYED...
01:30:47 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S TRUE.
01:30:50 Unidentified Speaker THAT THERE A DEGREE OF COOPERATION AND DEGREE OF SUCCESS. PERHAPS NOT AS CONCLUSIVE AS YOURS. BUT...
01:30:58 Unidentified Speaker IT WANTS COOPERATION. THIS WAS A CASE OF THE MISSILE WHICH HAD BEEN EVEN UNDER UNSCOM DAY AS SOURCE...
01:31:23 Unidentified Speaker MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. THANK YOU.
01:31:25 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR. SENATOR ROBERTS.
01:31:26 Unidentified Speaker YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:31:29 Unidentified Speaker BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, I FEEL YOU AND THE COMMITTEE YOU LEAD ARE MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS TOWARDS...
01:31:48 Unidentified Speaker THANK THE CHAIRMAN. I WOULD HOPE HE WOULD WRITE A PERSONAL NOTE TO SENATOR KENNEDY AND LEVIN TO INDICATE...
01:37:00 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THE APPROPRIATE THING, SENATOR ROBERTS, WOULD BE TO CONQUER.
01:37:05 Unidentified Speaker I APPRECIATE. THAT WHAT WENT WRONG? YOU TOUCHED ON THAT.
01:37:15 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR ROBERTS, YOU ARE FAR MORE LIKELY HAVING DONE AS -- A FAR MORE EXHAUSTIVE STUDY. I HAVE BEEN...
01:41:03 Unidentified Speaker I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CANDOR AND SERVICE. MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. I WOULD SAY WE ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING...
01:41:38 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE
01:41:40 Unidentified Speaker I'M SORRY.
01:41:42 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
01:41:44 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, I WAS -- MET NEW JULY. -- YOU IN JULY. IT WAS 115 DEGREES IN BAGHDAD....
01:42:50 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. PARTICULARLY AS TECHNOLOGY DRIVES CAPABILITIES OF WHAT FORMERLY WOULD...
01:43:21 Unidentified Speaker WHICH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION QUALIFY IN THAT UPPER ECHELON OF TWRUELY MASS DESTRUCTION?
01:43:29 Unidentified Speaker I THINK ALL OF US HAVE AND WOULD CONTINUE TO PUT THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. IT...
01:44:16 Unidentified Speaker JUST BASED OUR GENERAL KNOWLEDGE, HOW MANY COUNTRIES WOULD YOU SAY IN THE WORLD TODAY WOULD QUALIFY...
01:44:33 Unidentified Speaker I HESITATE TO GIVE YOU AN OFF-THE-CUFF NUMBER BECAUSE I KNOW I WILL PROBABLY -- IT IS GOING TO BE...
01:44:51 Unidentified Speaker I WANT TO GO TO THE VERNACULAR WE ARE USING, BROADER CATEGORY.
01:44:55 Unidentified Speaker BROADER CATEGORY. I SUSPECT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY 50 COUNTRIES THAT HAVE PROGRAMS THAT WOULD...
01:45:05 Unidentified Speaker IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUT THOSE COUNTRIES OR THEIR GOVERNMENTS WHICH ARE ENGAGED IN WHAT WE WOULD...
01:45:19 Unidentified Speaker I THINK -- IF WE NO LONGER ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN A WORLD WHICH WE CAN CONTROL CAPABILITIES. INTENTIONS...
01:45:56 Unidentified Speaker I COMMEND THE CHAIRMAN FOR HOLD THING HEARING AND LETTING THESE ANSWERS, CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY....
01:46:39 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WISDOM BUT IT CERTAINLY ARGUES ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY. OF DOING IT WISELY.
01:46:45 Unidentified Speaker I GUESS WHAT STRIKES ME THAT THE -- I HOPE WE WOULD HOLD A HEARING OR TWO HERE ABOUT THE SUCCESS,...
01:47:44 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
01:47:48 Unidentified Speaker SINCE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ARMED SERVICE COMMITTEE HAS HAD TO GO VOTE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND BE CHAIRMAN...
01:48:47 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR ALLARD, THAT'S REALLY ONE OF OUR IMMEDIATE FOCUSES BECAUSE BOTH OF THE CONCERN -- CONSEQUENTLY...
01:49:09 Unidentified Speaker ALL WE HAD IS A HISTORY OF HIM HAVING USED CHEMICALS OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. USING CHEMICALS...
01:49:23 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD NOT SAY IT WAS JUST THE HISTORY. THERE WAS REAL REPORTING THAT HE HAD IN IRAQI DEFECTORS AND...
01:50:01 Unidentified Speaker YES. I RECALL ABOUT TIME THAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN ARE GOING INTO THE FIELD IN IRAQ THAT ALSO, THEY ...
01:50:19 Unidentified Speaker OK.
01:50:20 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU RECALL THAT?
01:50:22 Unidentified Speaker YES, I DO.
01:50:25 Unidentified Speaker AND WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THAT NUCLEAR MATERIAL? WHY -- WHY WAS THAT THERE AND WHAT WAS THE SOURCE...
01:50:32 Unidentified Speaker THERE WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF NUCLEAR WASTE AND MATERIAL THAT THE U.N. HAD PURPOSELY LEFT THERE IT IS...
01:50:41 Unidentified Speaker THAT WAS AFTER THE PERSIAN GULF CONFLICT?
01:50:43 Unidentified Speaker AFTER THE PERSIAN GULF CONFLICT. WHAT WAS REMOVED WAS THE DIRECT USE MATERIAL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN...
01:51:07 Unidentified Speaker DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA THE ORIGIN OF THAT MATERIAL?
01:51:12 Unidentified Speaker THE ORIGIN OF MOST OF THAT MATERIAL IS PRETTYWHELM UNDERSTOOD. THE IRAQIS BOTH MIND URANIUM OF THEIR...
01:51:29 Unidentified Speaker DIJERE. THERE HAD ALSO -- THE FRENCH PROVIDED REACTOR FUEL AS HAD THE RUSSIANS PROVIDED REACTOR FUEL....
01:51:43 Unidentified Speaker DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT NUCLEAR PROGRAM WAS BRA DOWN AND WHEN THAT MATERIAL WAS STORED IN THAT WASTE SNITE...
01:51:50 Unidentified Speaker YES, WE KNOW VERY PRECISELY. WE STARRED DOING IT IN LATE 1991 AND CONTINUED -- WAS ALMOST COMPLETE...
01:52:05 Unidentified Speaker OK. -- AGENCY DID A GOOD JOB.
01:52:08 Unidentified Speaker THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE CONCLUDED THAT IRAQ COULD BUILD ITS FIRST NUCLEAR WEAPON WHEN IT...
01:52:20 Unidentified Speaker YES. YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THIS WAS A COUNTRY THAT HAD DESIGNED AND HAD GONE THROUGH A DECADE-LONG ...
01:53:03 Unidentified Speaker YOU RAN OVER ONE PART OF YOUR STATEMENT. YOU SAID THEY ACTUALLY RAN A TEST ON THE MATERIAL THAT THEY...
01:53:11 Unidentified Speaker AT ABOUT THE --
01:53:12 Unidentified Speaker WITH REGARD TO NUCLEAR MATERIAL SNRL
01:53:14 Unidentified Speaker YES.
01:53:16 Unidentified Speaker DURING THE 1980'S, THEY RAN A NUMBER OF TESTS USING BOTH WHAT WERE NORMAL SIMILAR ATLANTICS -- SIMULANTS...
01:53:53 Unidentified Speaker DID THEY USE ALUMINUM TUBES AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO ENRICH THEIRURE AIN'T ZUM
01:53:58 Unidentified Speaker NO, THEY DID NOT. THEY RELIED ON DIFFERENT PROCESSES.
01:54:00 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT IRAQ'S EFFORTSES TO RESTART A NUCLEAR PROGRAM...
01:54:08 Unidentified Speaker AS BEST HAS BEEN DETERMINED AND THIS IS, OBVIOUSLY, SOMETHING THE INVESTIGATION IS CONTINUING, IN...
01:54:59 Unidentified Speaker SO IT WAS DEFINITELY A THREAT AS FAR AS YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH -- IN 2001, 2000?
01:55:04 Unidentified Speaker GIVEN THEIR HISTORY, IT WAS CERTAINLY AN EMERGING PROGRAM THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE LOOKED FORWARD TO...
01:55:18 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, DR. KAY. NOW CALL ON SENATOR PRYOR.
01:55:23 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE AGAIN. I KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE...
01:55:40 Unidentified Speaker I STARTED, I ARRIVED IN JUNE AND I LEFT IN LATE DECEMBER.
01:55:43 Unidentified Speaker OK. AND WERE YOU ON THE GROUND MOST
01:55:46 Unidentified Speaker YES. ONLY EXCEPT THE TIME I WAS REQUIRED TO BE BACK HERE BEFORE
01:55:50 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT. HOW MANY SITES DID YOU OR YOUR TEAM VISIT? IRAQ?
01:55:57 Unidentified Speaker I'M SURE WE CAN GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER BUT IT WAS IN THE HUNDREDS.
01:56:03 Unidentified Speaker I'M SURE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT, THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS?
01:56:07 Unidentified Speaker CLOSER TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PAGE OF DOCUMENTS.
01:56:13 Unidentified Speaker HOW MANY INSPECTORS AND ANALYSTS DID YOU HAVE ON YOUR TEAM THERE TO ASSIST IN THIS EFFORT?
01:56:19 Unidentified Speaker ROUGHLY IN TERMS OF -- THEY FALL UNDER THREE AREAS TO GIVE YOU SOME MEANING. IN TERMS OF SUBJECT MATTER...
01:57:01 Unidentified Speaker OK. AND DID YOU HAVE FULL ACCESS TO OUR INTELLIGENCE, PERTINENT INTELLIGENCE ON W.M.D.?
01:57:09 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
01:57:10 Unidentified Speaker NOTHING WAS SCREENED FROM YOU AS FAR AS YOU KNOW?
01:57:12 Unidentified Speaker AS FAR AS I KNOW, NOTHING WAS SCREENED NOR DO I BELIEVE ANYTHING WAS SCREENED.
01:57:15 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT. AT WHAT POINT DURING THIS PROCESS DID YOU START TO GET THAT UNEASY FEELING ABOUT W.M.D. IN...
01:57:33 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, IT WAS NOT A 3:00 A.M. WAKEUP CALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. IT WAS THE EMERGING PICTURE...
01:58:03 Unidentified Speaker AT WHAT POINT DID YOU BEGIN COMMUNICATING THAT WITH THE PENTAGON OR THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE C.I.A.?...
01:58:12 Unidentified Speaker IT WAS WITH THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. OH, I THINK MY FIRST COMMUNICATION ABOUT THIS PROGRAM MAY...
01:58:46 Unidentified Speaker OK. AND DO YOU -- AND I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, TO SOME EXTENT...
01:58:55 Unidentified Speaker NO. IN FACT, MY -- I'VE SPOKEN TO THE PRESIDENT DIRECTLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE ONLY ONCE. IT WAS IN...
01:59:10 Unidentified Speaker IN THIS SUMMER AND FALL PERIOD WHERE YOU STARTED EXPRESSING CONCERNS AND STARTED TO, YOU KNOW, TELL...
01:59:26 Unidentified Speaker IT WAS THE ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE ONE. WHERE IS THE DATA? ARE YOU CONSIDERED THIS? WILL YOU LOOK...
01:59:50 Unidentified Speaker YOU KNOW, YOU TESTIFIED TODAY THAT WE KNOW IRAQ HAD SOME W.M.D. AND USED SOME IN THE 1980'S AND IN...
02:00:15 Unidentified Speaker IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A WEAPONS PROGRAM -- DIDN'T HAVE A WEAPONS PROGRAM. I HOPE THEY DON'T...
02:02:13 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION BECAUSE I'M OUT OF TIME BUT IS IT YOUR OPINION THEN THAT THE REGIME THAT...
02:02:34 Unidentified Speaker I THINK UNSCOM DESERVES CREDIT FOR DESTROYING THE TYPICAL THING WHICH ALL OF US THAT HAVE SERVED ARE...
02:03:20 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU.
02:03:23 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SENATOR?
02:03:25 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, LET ME START BY JOINING MY COLLEAGUES IN THANKING YOU FOR YOUR MOST...
02:06:42 Unidentified Speaker IT'S STILL A SUBJECT OF INVESTIGATION. IT LOOKS SPECIFICALLY -- DEAL WITH THE V.X.. THE IRAQIS, WE...
02:08:07 Unidentified Speaker I'M INTRIGUED BY THE INTERVIEWS THAT YOU CONDUCTED WITH SOME OF THE IRAQI SCIENTISTS WHO OUTLINED...
02:08:49 Unidentified Speaker IT'S ONE OF THE TOUGHEST QUESTIONS AROUND AND WE'VE JUST GOT LITTLE PIECES OF EVIDENCE SO LET ME TELL...
02:10:16 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
02:10:20 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR.
02:10:25 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, I WANT TO ADD MY APPRECIATION FOR YOUR CANDOR. IT'S VERY REFRESH...
02:12:37 Unidentified Speaker THAT INCLUDES, FOR EXAMPLE, TAKE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THE IRAQIS. A PROGRAM TO DEVELOP A SUBSTANTIVE...
02:13:47 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE INDICATED THAT WE'VE -- THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE INDICATED THAT WE'VE --...
02:14:06 Unidentified Speaker TERMS OF POSSIBILITY, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T RULE OUT ANYTHING. THE WAY I TRIED TO DIRECT OUR ACTIVITIES,...
02:15:14 Unidentified Speaker IS IT A BASIC ASSUMPTION ON YOUR PART OR A SUSPICION THAT IS BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU'VE SAID,...
02:15:34 Unidentified Speaker MY BELIEF IS THAT THEY DID NOT MOVE LARGE STOCKPILES OF W.M.D. TO SYRIA IS BASED ON MY CONCLUSION...
02:15:49 Unidentified Speaker WELL, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ACTIVITY...
02:16:03 Unidentified Speaker ONE MAKES THAT ASSUMPTION.
02:16:04 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD THINK SO.
02:16:05 Unidentified Speaker AND ALWAYS YOU KNOW, I ALSO HAVE TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE MOST LIKELY TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS...
02:16:38 Unidentified Speaker DR. KAY, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH AS I SAY, YOUR CANDOR AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT AN OUTSIDE...
02:17:11 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
02:17:12 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:17:14 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR, FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.
02:17:17 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. DR. KAY, I, TOO, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED, LEST THE POLITICS...
02:17:50 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
02:17:56 Unidentified Speaker AND UNTIL YOUR REPORT AFTER YOUR LONG WORK WITH THE IRAQI SURVEY GROUP, HAVE YOU FOUND THAT ANYONE,...
02:18:19 Unidentified Speaker NO. I KNOW OF NO MANIPULATION. I KNOW OF A LOT OF SKEPTICISM AND -- BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A WIDELY...
02:18:34 Unidentified Speaker SO YOU KNOW OF NO EVIDENCE, NO INDICATION THAT ANYONE TRIED TO INTENTIONALLY MANIPULATE THE INTELLIGENCE...
02:18:47 Unidentified Speaker I'VE SEEN NO EVIDENCE OF THAT NOR HAVE I SEEN ANY EVIDENCE AFTER THE FACT OF ANYONE TRYING TO INFLUENCE...
02:18:55 Unidentified Speaker LET ME TRY TO NAIL DOWN A COUPLE OF OTHER FACTS. ALTHOUGH NOW IT APPEARS THAT SADDAM OR AT LEAST SO...
02:19:13 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
02:19:14 Unidentified Speaker WOULD YOU SAY THEN, DR. KAY, THAT IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SADDAM WOULD BUILD SUCH STOCKPILES...
02:19:35 Unidentified Speaker I THINK YOU WILL HAVE WHEN YOU GET THE FINAL REPORT, PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD...
02:19:51 Unidentified Speaker SO GIVEN TIME, THESE PROGRAMS WOULD HAVE MATURED AND SADDAM WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RECONSTITUTE HIS...
02:20:01 Unidentified Speaker I HESITATE ONLY -- I THINK THAT'S THE SAFE ASSUMPTION. WHAT I DON'T KNOW OVER TIME, AND I'M MORE AND...
02:20:21 Unidentified Speaker YOU SAID SOMETHING DURING YOUR OPENING STATEMENT THAT INTRIGUES ME AND SOMETHING THAT I'M AFRAID MAY...
02:21:09 Unidentified Speaker ACTUALLY, I CONSIDER IT A BIGGEST RISK AND THAT'S WHY I PAUSED ON THE PRECEDING QUESTION. I CONSIDER...
02:21:29 Unidentified Speaker SP AND INDEED, THAT CONTINUES TO BE A CERTAIN WE HAVE TODAY IN THE OLD SOVIET UNION AND OTHER PLACES....
02:21:36 Unidentified Speaker PAKISTAN.
02:21:39 Unidentified Speaker OTHER NATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE HAD OFFICIAL WEAPONS PROGRAMS, BIOLOGICAL, CHEMICAL AND NUCLEAR, THE...
02:21:52 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S CORRECT.
02:21:55 Unidentified Speaker AND INDEED, THE ZREPPINGS THAT SOME OF -- THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT OF SADDAM'S ONLY MILITARY AND SCIENTISTS...
02:22:29 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THAT PROBABLY DID. I'M JUST HESITANT BECAUSE ANALYZING THE MIND OF SOMEONE WHO WOULD END UP...
02:22:42 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:22:43 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
02:22:45 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR, VERY MUCH. NOW TO BILL NELSON.
02:22:48 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, IN THE INTERVIEW WITH THE "NEW YORK TIMES" A FEW DAYS AGO, YOU HAD...
02:23:50 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, WHEN JIM ASKED ME ABOUT THAT, I GAVE HIM THE EXAMPLE WHICH HE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE ARTICLE....
02:25:16 Unidentified Speaker DR. KAY, I, ALONG WITH 76 OTHER SENATORS, VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE PRESIDENT THE EXPENDITURE...
02:26:57 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, WHAT WE HAVE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME EXPLORING IS THE U.A.V. PROGRAM. IT WAS A VERY LARGE...
02:28:35 Unidentified Speaker WELL, DR. KAY, NEED TOLS SAY, I WAS ABSOLUTELY -- NEEDLESS TO SAY, I WAS ABSOLUTELY TOLD THAT THAT...
02:29:07 Unidentified Speaker I UNDERSTAND, SENATOR.
02:29:09 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR. COLLEAGUES, I TAKE NOTE THAT OUR DISTINGUISHED WITNESS HAS BEEN UNDER...
02:29:51 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN, DR. KAY. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT REPORT?
02:29:58 Unidentified Speaker I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT. I'VE NOT READ IT COVER TO COVER.
02:30:02 Unidentified Speaker LET ME READ YOU A PORTION OF IT THEN ON PAGE 34. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ASSESSMENTS BEFORE DISPUTE...
02:32:17 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A FAIR -- AS MY MEMORY AND I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF ME....
02:32:51 Unidentified Speaker WHICH IRAQ HAD AT WHAT POINT? WE'VE GONE BACK TO AT LEAST LOOK AT -- THE PART WE WERE ABLE TO GET...
02:33:02 Unidentified Speaker BUT THERE WAS ALSO TESTIMONY.
02:33:03 Unidentified Speaker HE'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE HAD IN THE EARLY 1990'S AND WHAT THAT ANTHRAX CAN DO AND WHAT WE DESTROYED....
02:33:14 Unidentified Speaker MY MEMORY IS IT WAS THIS COMMITTEE. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN COMMITTEE Z. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SECRETARY...
02:33:28 Unidentified Speaker MY MEMORY IS THAT IN HOLDING THAT FIVE-POUND BAG AND TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH DESTRUCTION THAT CAN DO,...
02:33:38 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S MY MEMORY, SIR. YOU HAVE THE RECORDS. YOU'VE GOT STAFF BEHIND YOU. I DON'T.
02:33:43 Unidentified Speaker YEAH.
02:33:44 Unidentified Speaker IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT SECRETARY SAID THAT THEY -- THE SAME THING BASICALLY AS...
02:34:11 Unidentified Speaker I'M SAYING MY MEMORY IS THAT IS WHAT HE SAID. I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN CHECKING THE RECORD.
02:34:17 Unidentified Speaker WE WILL SURELY DO THAT TO SEE IF YOUR MEMORY IS CORRECT. LET ME ALSO READ TO YOU SOMETHING FROM THE...
02:36:24 Unidentified Speaker I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE TERRIBLY DIFFERENT. I THINK --
02:36:26 Unidentified Speaker ARE THEY SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT?
02:36:28 Unidentified Speaker SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT. NOR QUITE FRANKLY YOUR MEMORY IS BETTER THAN MINE. I'M NOT SURE THAT IS THE TOTAL...
02:36:44 Unidentified Speaker IT'S FAR MORE. I'M TRYING TO OBVIOUSLY -- BECAUSE I CAN'T QUOTE THE ENTIRE, I PICK OUT REPRESENTATIVE...
02:36:52 Unidentified Speaker I UNDERSTAND BUT IN JUDGING SIMILARITIES AND ACCURACIES, SELECTION IS ALWAYS A DANGER IN ANY FIELD....
02:36:56 Unidentified Speaker I AGREE. BY ANYBODY THAT ATTEMPTS TO COMMUNICATE, THAT'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM.
02:37:02 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
02:37:03 Unidentified Speaker BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO THEN, BECAUSE YOU'VE MADE A REPRESENTATION HERE THAT THESE WERE THE...
02:38:08 Unidentified Speaker I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO TAKE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS FROM YOU. I HOPE IT COMES FROM AN ADDRESS OF ONE OF...
02:38:29 Unidentified Speaker YOU'RE ENTITLED TO IT. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT FRANCE, RUSSIA AND EVERYBODY ELSE. THERE'S A QUOTE FROM CHIRAC,...
02:38:55 Unidentified Speaker THERE ARE OTHER QUOTES FROM THE FRENCH AND FROM CHIRAC.
02:38:57 Unidentified Speaker WHERE CHIRAC SAYS THEY DO
02:38:58 Unidentified Speaker YES.
02:39:00 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S JUST ONE QUOTE AND RUSSIA, HOWEVER, DID NOT SAY THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE OR THAT THEY HAD NOT...
02:39:16 Unidentified Speaker THE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE I DON'T HAVE ON THE TIP OF MY TONGUE UNLESS --
02:39:21 Unidentified Speaker ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU BE ASKED BY THE -- I GUESS THE INTELLIGENCE -- BY. C.I.A. FOR WHOM YOU WERE WORKING...
02:39:38 Unidentified Speaker I DID A FINAL -- I DID A FINAL. I DID A BRIEFING OUT FOR THE D.D.C.I. AND THE D.C.I. OF WHAT I FOUND....
02:40:00 Unidentified Speaker THERE WERE NOTE TAKERS IN THE ROOM BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT --
02:40:04 Unidentified Speaker I THINK -- IT'S NOT UP TO ME. I'M NOT THE CHAIRMAN BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IMPORTANT FOR THE HISTORY AND...
02:41:25 Unidentified Speaker IF ASKED BY THOSE SENATORS, CERTAINLY THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA WHERE I...
02:41:49 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S UP TO THE SENATORS.
02:41:51 Unidentified Speaker I'VE GIVEN IT SOME CONSIDERATION AND I'M DATORS.
02:41:53 Unidentified Speaker I'VE GIVEN IT SOME CONSIDERATION AND I'M DISCUSS IT WITH OUR DISTINGUISHED WITNESS BUT IT SEEMS TO...
02:42:04 Unidentified Speaker I LEAVE IT TO YOU.
02:42:05 Unidentified Speaker ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD HOPE THE CHAIRMAN WOULD TAKE UNDER ADVISEMENT AND THAT'S THAT WE ASK...
02:42:18 Unidentified Speaker YOUR COMMENTS, OBVIOUSLY ARE SIGNIFICANT, YOUR COMMENTS HERE AND PERIOD, YOUR STATEMENT IN THE "NEW...
02:42:54 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, SENATOR. DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENT?
02:42:57 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD SIMPLY ASK ONE LAST QUESTION THAT I THINK THERE MAY BE AN OMISSION IN THE RECORD THAT SHOULD...
02:43:24 Unidentified Speaker SENATOR, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT I KNOW OF. THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY AS YOU KNOW A ...
02:43:41 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. THE HEARING WILL NOW BE CONCLUDED WITH MY, AGAIN, EXPRESSION OF APPRECIATION TO YOU AND...
02:43:51 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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