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ON HIS EFFORTS |
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A INDUSTRIES A FURTHER REPORT FROM DAVID KAY ON HIS EFFORTS AND THE EFFORTS OF THE TEAM WHICH HE WAS... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET ME JOIN YOU IN WELCOMING DR. KAY TO THE HEARING. AND STATING OUR THANKS... |
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DR. KAY, WE'LL NOW RECEIVE FROM YOU ANY PRELIMINARY COMMENTS YOU WISH TO MAKE. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. AS YOU KNOW, AND WE DISCUSSED, I DO NOT HAVE A WRITTEN STATEMENT.... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COLLEAGUES, WE'LL GO TO A ROUND OF SIX MINUTES. IN THE EVENT THERE'S A VOTE, ... |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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THAT, GIVEN THE SIZE OF IRAQ , CALIFORNIA. THE SIZE OF BAGHDAD, LOS ANGELES, WE COULD SCOMPUFFER SOME... |
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I CERTAINLY THINK THAT'S A THEORETICAL POSSIBILITY, YES. |
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SO, MAYBE WE BETTER NOT PRONOUNCE WE'RE ALL WRONG YET. BECAUSE I THINK, UNTIL WE HAVE FINISHED THE... |
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MAY I ONLY ADD, LOOK, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR ME TO BE AGAINST CONTINUED INVESTIGATION... |
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BUT THE OPERATIVE WORD IN YOUR ASSUMPTION IS "LARGE." SEVERAL SMALL CACHES COULD CONSTITUTE AN IMMINENT... |
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AND THAT'S -- ALWAYS POSSIBLE. |
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PARDON? |
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THAT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE AND I DOUBT THAT WE WILL EVER -- I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE -- THEY COULD BE THERE... |
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LET'S GIVE THIS PROCESS A CHANCE TO CONTINUE. AND I THINK -- |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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AND WE AGREE THAT THERE COULD BE THE DISCOVERY IN SOME FUTURE DATE OF THE EVIDENCE WHICH CONFIRMS,... |
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I'VE SAID I THINK 85% OF THE MAJOR ELEMENTS OF THE IRAQI PROGRAM ARE PROBABLY KNOWN. THAT'S NOT 85%... |
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BUT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, YOU'VE EMPHASIZED THAT 15% YET TO BE DONE COULD YIELD PRODUCTIVE EVIDENCE... |
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THAT'S TRUE PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ASSISTED THAT PROGRAM... |
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CLEARLY, AT THE OUTBREAK OF THE WAR OR PRIOR THERETO AND DURING THE WAR, AN AWFUL LOT OF DESTRUCTION... |
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ABSOLUTELY. I THINK I'VE SAID, BUT LET ME BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ABOUT IT. IRAQ WAS IN CLEAR MATERIAL... |
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PART OF THAT PROGRAM WERE MISSILES, CLEARLY. CLEARLY IN DEFIANCE OF THE U.N. RESOLUTION IN TERMS OF... |
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YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. |
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COULD YOU SAY THAT THE WORK THUS FAR OF THE I.S.G. AND I RECOUNTED A NUMBER OF THINGS INCLUDING THE... |
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SENATOR WARNER, I THINK THE WORLD IS FAR SAFER WITH THE DISAPPEARANCE AND THE REMOVAL OF SADDAM HUSSEIN.... |
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THANK YOU, DR. SENATOR LEVIN. |
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DR. KAY, ON THE QUESTION OF STOCKPILES. YOU HAVE STATED, I BELIEVE, THAT IN YOUR OPINION, IRAQ DID... |
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THAT'S CORRECT. |
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YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAD ANY STOCKPILES, LARGE OR SMALL, IN 2002? |
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SIMPLY HAVE NO EVIDENCE, SENATOR. |
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YOU HAVE NOT UNCOVERED ANY EVIDENCE OF SMALL STOCKPILES? |
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WE HAVE NOT UNCOVERED ANY SMALL STOCKPILES, THAT'S CORRECT. |
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HAVE YOU UNCOVERED EVIDENCE OF SMALL STOCKPILES IN 2002? |
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WE HAD EVIDENCE THEY COULD HAVE PRODUCED SMALL AMOUNTS BUT WE HAVE NOT DISCOVERED EVIDENCE OF THE... |
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ON THE QUESTION OF THE VANS. ACCORDING TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" ON JANUARY 26, YOU INDICATED THAT THERE'S... |
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THAT'S -- PROBABLY NOT MY EXACT WORDS BUT ROUGHLY ACCURATE. I THINK THE CONSENSUS OPINION IS THAT... |
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NOW, ON JANUARY 22, A WEEK AGO, VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY SAID THAT WE KNOW FOR FOR EXAMPLE THAT PRIOR... |
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SENATOR LEVIN, THE SHORT AND OBVIOUS ANSWER IS, AM I AWARE OF WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS READING... |
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HAVE YOU SEEN INTELLIGENCE WHICH WOULD SUPPORT THAT CONCLUSION? |
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YES, I HAVE. IN FACT, IF YOU HAD ASKED ME, AS I THINK IN FACT YOU DID, OR MEMBERS OF SENATOR ROBERTS'... |
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AND NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT SHIFTING TARGET THING. I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE SAID THE CONCLUSIVE... |
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IT IS MY VIEW OF THE CONSENSUS OPINION BUT THERE ARE NO DOUBT GIVEN THE NATURE OF OPINIONS PEOPLE... |
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ALL RIGHT, BUT IN YOUR JUDGMENT, THE CONSENSUS IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY NOW IS THAT THOSE ARE... |
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THAT IS MY PERSONAL JUDGMENT. OTHERS MAY WELL HOLD A DIFFERENT ONE. |
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I THINK IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND OUT THE BASIS OF THE VICE PRESIDENT'S STATEMENT --... |
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WOULD THE SENATOR YIELD ON THAT POINT? |
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FIRST, IF I COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR CHAIRMAN WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ASK THE VICE PRESIDENT... |
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I THINK I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU. |
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I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT FRANKLY FROM THE VICE PRESIDENT. IN WRITING. |
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WE'VE GOT TO CONTINUE HERE, COLLEAGUES. I'M GOING TO ASK THE INDULGES OF COMMITTEE, THE CHAIR REQUEST... |
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SUPPORT. |
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SENATE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? |
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MY FINAL QUESTION, DR. KAY, SUBJECT TO THE CHAIR PERHAPS COMMENTING ON MY QUESTION IS THIS -- IS IT... |
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SENATOR LEVIN THIS IS AN AREA WHERE SENATOR WARNER REFERRED, THIS IS WHERE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT... |
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BUT IT'S YOUR JUDGMENT THAT THEY WERE NOT RELATED TO URANIUM ENRICHMENT? |
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THAT'S MY JUDGMENT. PROBABLY NOT BASED ON EVIDENCE BUT THERE IS STILL MORE EVIDENCE POSSIBLE TO GAIN.... |
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MY SECOND FINAL QUESTION -- DO YOU, IN YOUR JUDGMENT, DID IRAQ -- HAD IRAQ RECONSTITUTED ITS NUCLEAR... |
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IT WAS IN THE EARLY STAGES. IT WAS NOT A RECONSTITUTED FULL-BLOWN NUCLEAR PROGRAM. |
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THANK YOU. |
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SENATOR, I WILL TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION YOUR REQUEST. I THINK SENATOR ROBERTS, WHEN IT COMES HIS... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, DR. KAY, FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY FOR MANY YEARS. WE'RE... |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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HE USED THEM AGAINST THE IRANIANS AND THE KURDS. |
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OH, YES. |
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OK. |
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AND U.N. INSPECTORS FOUND ENORMOUS QUANTITIES OF BANNED CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS IN IRAQ IN... |
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YES. |
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AND SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD ONCE A VERY ACTIVE NUCLEAR PROGRAM. |
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YES. |
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AND HE REALIZED AND HAD AMBITIONS TO DEVELOP AND USE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. |
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CLEARLY. |
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SO, THE POINT IS, IF HE WERE IN POWER TODAY, THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT HE WOULD HAVE HARBOR AMBITIONS... |
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ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT. I THINK I'VE SAID THAT, SENATOR. |
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GOOD. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS POINT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY BEEN AN INTELLIGENCE... |
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I AGREE. |
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WHEN YOU STATED -- WHEN YOU ANSWERED A QUESTION FROM REUTERS, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STOCKPILES OF BIOLOGICAL... |
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CERTAINLY TRUE, SENATOR. I PROBABLY LEARNED NOT TO SPEAK TO WIRE REPORTERS AND EVEN TO WATCH OUT FOR... |
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BUT YOU AGREE WITH THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE HERE THAT WHAT WE DID WAS A JUSTIFIED AND ENHANCED THE... |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ESTABLISH BECAUSE IN THE POLITICAL SEASON, THAT'S IMPORTANT, NOT FINDING THE ... |
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SENATOR, I WOULD NOT PRETEND I KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS OR EVEN KNOW ALL THE QUESTIONS. TO GET AT THAT.... |
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INCLUDING INTELLIGENCE GAINED BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. |
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THAT'S CORRECT. AND DID NOT DEVELOP OUR OWN HUMAN SOURCES THERE. THIS GOES BACK, QUITE FRANKLY, THE... |
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DO YOU BELIEVE THOSE THAT PROVIDED FALSE INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATES OUGHT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE? |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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DO YOU BELIEVE WE NEED AN INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION? |
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SENATOR -- |
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YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE TO. |
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NO -- IT'S REALLY WHAT GOES TO THE HEART OF THE INTEGRITY OF OUR OWN PROCESS. I GENERALLY BELIEVE... |
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NOT ONLY FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST BUT SO THAT WE CAN RELY ON INTELLIGENCE IN THE FUTURE. |
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I WOULD SAY ENTIRELY WITH REGARD TO THE FUTURE. WITCH HUNTING IS NOT A PROFITABLE INQUIRY. IT'S FOR... |
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AGAIN, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE GET A CHANCE TO SEE AGAIN SOMEONE WHO SERVED THIS COUNTRY WITH A... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR MCCAIN. SENATOR KENNEDY. |
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THANK YOU, DR. KAY. I JOIN IN ALL OF THOSE THAT -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY. IT... |
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YES, SENATOR. HI FULL ACCESS TO EVERYTHING IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY WITH REGARD TO IRAQ. |
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2 -- HAD YOU IT WITH REGARD TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S INTELLIGENCE? |
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YES. |
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ALL OF THOSE WITH THEIR CONCLUSIONS THAT I READ JUST SUMMARIES OF THEIR CONCLUSIONS? |
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I HAD THAT AS WELL AS THE INDIVIDUALS. HI ON MY -- ALL MY TEAM MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY... |
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WELL, DO YOU SEE -- CAN YOU GIVE US ANY EXPLANATION OF WHY THESE AGENCYNESS RETROSPECT APPEARED TO... |
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SENATOR KENNEDY, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE IN THE SHORT TIME I HAVE TO REPLY TO TAKE YOU FULLY THROUGH THAT.... |
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THAT'S -- JUST TO COME BACK, AS WE HAVE LIMITTED TIME, GATHERING SERIOUS THREAT, DO YOU REALLY THINK... |
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SENATOR, THAT'S PROBABLY FAR MORE IN YOUR REALM THAN IN MY REALM. I WILL TAKE SENATOR MCCAIN'S DEFENSE... |
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NO. I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR APPEARANCE HERE. I THINK THAT -- WHEN WE LOOK... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR KENNEDY. COLLEAGUES, JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE ANNOUNCEMENT. WE HAD SCHEDULED THIS... |
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THANK YOU. |
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I APPRECIATE ALSO THE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD IN BEING STRAIGHTFORWARD. OUT OF CURIOSITY,... |
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SENATOR, WE WRESTLED HOURS WITH TRYING TO GET AN EXPLANATION FOR IRAQI AND PARTICULARLY SADDAM'S BEHAVIOR... |
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AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD ANSWER. I APPRECIATE THAT. SENATOR WARNER TALKED ABOUT -- SENATOR LEVIN TALKED... |
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SENATOR, THE REASON -- WE ACTUALLY FOUND ADDITIONAL WARHEADS DURING -- SAME -- |
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736 AFTER THAT. |
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YES. AFTERWARDS. IS THAT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE -- CLEARLY, THEY WERE IN VIOLATION NOT HAVING DECLARED... |
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AS I CONSIDER THAT TO BE A WEAPON OF ANYTHING THAT CAN POTENTIALLY KILL A MILLION PEOPLE AS A WEAPON... |
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I CERTAINLY -- LOOK, THE -- SADDAM BEING DECEIVED WAS A COMMON PHENOMENON AFTER 1998 AND CROSSED ALL... |
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I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSES. THANK YOU. |
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THE SENATOR IS REQUIRED TO BE ON THE FLOOR FOR THE VOTE AND OTHER REASONS. I WILL PUT INTO THE RECORD... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, I JOIN WITH MY COLLEAGUES IN THAGE YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC... |
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THERE WERE TWO FACTORS THAT LED ME TO BELIEVE IT WAS THE APPROPRIATE TO TIME TO RETURN TO PRIVATE... |
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WELL, DR. KAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION BUT IT RAISES TWO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AT LEAST IN MY... |
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IT IS A COMPRESSED BUT FAIR AND I MUST SAY I HAD, AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE, I HAD A NUMBER... |
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MY ON TIME HAS EXPIRED. BUT I THINK THAT RIGHTLY DOES RAISE QUESTIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE EXAMINING... |
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LET ME JUST ADD TO THAT, WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF IRAQIS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND SAID WE DID NOT... |
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THANK YOU. |
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SENATOR, THAT QUESTION YOU RAISED IS AN IMPORTANT ONE AND OUR WITNESS ADDRESSED IT AND GAVE HIS VIEWS... |
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SENATOR WARNER, AS UNDERSTAND, COMPETING PRIORITIES ARE THE HARDEST CHOICE IN A MILITARY COMMANDER.... |
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THE URGENCY OF THE LOSS OF LIFE AND LIMB AMONG THE COALITION FORCES DICTATED BRINGING TOGETHER QUICKLY... |
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THAT WAS CERTAINLY THE GENERAL'S JUDGMENT. |
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THANK YOU. |
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IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO VOTE, I'M NOT SAFE STAYING. AS LONG AS YOU ARE HERE, I KNOW THEY WON'T CALL... |
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I REALIZE THAT. I WILL GUARANTEE YOU, YOU ARE GOING TO BE -- |
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I WILL BE BRIEF. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I KNOW THAT -- I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE BELIEVED... |
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ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, SENATOR. I THINK -- BOTH IN THE REGION AND HE THOUGHT OF THEM AS A POTENTIAL WEAPON... |
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I NOTICED THAT -- BELIEVE AT ONE POINT YOU NOTED THAT EVEN HIS OWN MILITARY OFFICERS BELIEVED THEY... |
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WELL, IN INTERVIEWING THE REPUBLIC GUARD GENERALS AND SPECIAL REPUBLIC GUARD GENERALS AND ASKING ABOUT... |
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IT IS TRUE, I THINK, NO ONE CAN DISPUTE THAT HAD HE NOT HAD THESE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND... |
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YES, I THINK THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S ONE -- HAS ALWAYS BEEN A MYSTERY FOR US TO DETERMINE. HOW -- WHY... |
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THAT WAS CERTAINLY, I THINK, ON THE HEART AND MIND OF THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. WE JUST FELT THAT THE... |
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ABSOLUTELY. A NUMBER OF THOSE IN CUSTODY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT GREATLY AS ONE REASON THEY ARE NOT... |
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SO NOT BEING UNCLEVER, THEY WOULD KNOW AND WOULD HAVE A REAL INCENTIVE TO DESTROY EVERY EVIDENCE THAT... |
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THAT'S RIGHT, SENATOR. THAT'S WHY I REFERRED TO THE -- THERE'S PROBABLY A LEVEL OF UNRESOLVEABLE AMBIGUITY... |
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AND -- IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMB, I THINK -- YOU INDICATED INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAS MADE MISTAKES... |
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ABSOLUTELY NOT. ING IN FACT, SENATOR SESSIONS, YOU KNOW, I WON'T SAY FUNNY. IT IS ONE OF THE STRANGE... |
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THEY LONG FOR THE TOWN TO TALK TO SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY. |
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THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. AND -- |
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I THOUGHT -- IT WAS ODD THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS CRITICIZED FOR GOING OVER ON A SATURDAY MORNING AND... |
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IT IS MY DISTINCT PLEASURE SERVING AS THE ACTING PRESIDING CHAIRMAN TO RECOGNIZE SENATOR REID FOR... |
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DR. KAY, LET ME COMBED YOU ON YOUR INTEGRITY. IN YOUR DISCUSSION WITH TOM BROKAW YOU WERE ASKED OF... |
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SENATOR REED, IT MEANS ANY PRESIDENT WHEN HE'S PRESENTED WITH INTELLIGENCE HAS GOT TO MAKE A CHOICE... |
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ALSO, DOCTOR, THAT JUDGMENT HAS TO BE LOGICALLY RELATED TO THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. AND... |
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SENATOR REED, I THINK IT IS OFTEN EASY TO FORGET IN THE CASE OF SADDAM, HERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO... |
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YOU WERE QUOTED, IF ANYONE WAS ABUSED BY THE INTELLIGENCE IT WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES... |
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NO, SIR. WHAT I'M SUGGEST SING THAT THE ACTUAL FACTS ON THE GROUND WILL TURN OUT TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY... |
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USED THE TERM ABUSED BY THE INTELLIGENCE. |
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THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK -- IF HE WAS -- |
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MISLED? |
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IF I WERE YOUR BROKER AND YOU WERE INVESTING ON MY ADVICE -- SOMETHING I WOULD NOT ADVISE YOU TO DO... |
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PART OF THE INTELLIGENCE PROCESS, I UNDERSTAND, IS NOT ONLY THE PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE AND ANALYSIS... |
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SENATOR REED, I WAS NOT PARTY TO THAT. I HOPE IN WHATEVER PROCESS OR REVIEW IS GOING ON THAT THE FULL... |
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DR. KAY, IS NORTH KOREA TODAY A GATHERING SERIOUS THREAT? |
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NORTH KOREA IS AN ENIGMA WITH PROBABLY NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND LONG-RANGE MISSILES. I WOULD PROBABLY PUT... |
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WE ARE APPROACHING NORTH KOREA WITH THE SAME DEEPLY FLAWED INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY THAT ABUSED THE... |
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I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHETHER WE ARE APPROACHING IT WITH THE SAME DEEP -- AN -- IN A CASE WHERE THE... |
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DR. KAY, THE U.N. INSPECTORS WERE READMITTED INTO IRAQ FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME. HAD THEY BEEN ALLOWED... |
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ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT AMONG EXTENSIVE BODY OF U.N. -- IRAQI SCIENTISTS TALKING TO US, THEY HAVE SAID... |
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JUST ONE FINAL POINT BECAUSE MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. I DO RECOLLECT THAT THERE WAS SOME MISSILES DESTROYED... |
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ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S TRUE. |
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THAT THERE A DEGREE OF COOPERATION AND DEGREE OF SUCCESS. PERHAPS NOT AS CONCLUSIVE AS YOURS. BUT... |
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IT WANTS COOPERATION. THIS WAS A CASE OF THE MISSILE WHICH HAD BEEN EVEN UNDER UNSCOM DAY AS SOURCE... |
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MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR. SENATOR ROBERTS. |
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YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, I FEEL YOU AND THE COMMITTEE YOU LEAD ARE MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS TOWARDS... |
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THANK THE CHAIRMAN. I WOULD HOPE HE WOULD WRITE A PERSONAL NOTE TO SENATOR KENNEDY AND LEVIN TO INDICATE... |
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I THINK THE APPROPRIATE THING, SENATOR ROBERTS, WOULD BE TO CONQUER. |
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I APPRECIATE. THAT WHAT WENT WRONG? YOU TOUCHED ON THAT. |
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SENATOR ROBERTS, YOU ARE FAR MORE LIKELY HAVING DONE AS -- A FAR MORE EXHAUSTIVE STUDY. I HAVE BEEN... |
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I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CANDOR AND SERVICE. MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. I WOULD SAY WE ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING... |
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WE ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE |
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I'M SORRY. |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, I WAS -- MET NEW JULY. -- YOU IN JULY. IT WAS 115 DEGREES IN BAGHDAD.... |
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THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. PARTICULARLY AS TECHNOLOGY DRIVES CAPABILITIES OF WHAT FORMERLY WOULD... |
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WHICH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION QUALIFY IN THAT UPPER ECHELON OF TWRUELY MASS DESTRUCTION? |
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I THINK ALL OF US HAVE AND WOULD CONTINUE TO PUT THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. IT... |
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JUST BASED OUR GENERAL KNOWLEDGE, HOW MANY COUNTRIES WOULD YOU SAY IN THE WORLD TODAY WOULD QUALIFY... |
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I HESITATE TO GIVE YOU AN OFF-THE-CUFF NUMBER BECAUSE I KNOW I WILL PROBABLY -- IT IS GOING TO BE... |
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I WANT TO GO TO THE VERNACULAR WE ARE USING, BROADER CATEGORY. |
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BROADER CATEGORY. I SUSPECT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY 50 COUNTRIES THAT HAVE PROGRAMS THAT WOULD... |
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IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUT THOSE COUNTRIES OR THEIR GOVERNMENTS WHICH ARE ENGAGED IN WHAT WE WOULD... |
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I THINK -- IF WE NO LONGER ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN A WORLD WHICH WE CAN CONTROL CAPABILITIES. INTENTIONS... |
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I COMMEND THE CHAIRMAN FOR HOLD THING HEARING AND LETTING THESE ANSWERS, CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY.... |
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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WISDOM BUT IT CERTAINLY ARGUES ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY. OF DOING IT WISELY. |
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I GUESS WHAT STRIKES ME THAT THE -- I HOPE WE WOULD HOLD A HEARING OR TWO HERE ABOUT THE SUCCESS,... |
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THANK YOU. |
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SINCE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ARMED SERVICE COMMITTEE HAS HAD TO GO VOTE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND BE CHAIRMAN... |
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SENATOR ALLARD, THAT'S REALLY ONE OF OUR IMMEDIATE FOCUSES BECAUSE BOTH OF THE CONCERN -- CONSEQUENTLY... |
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ALL WE HAD IS A HISTORY OF HIM HAVING USED CHEMICALS OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. USING CHEMICALS... |
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I WOULD NOT SAY IT WAS JUST THE HISTORY. THERE WAS REAL REPORTING THAT HE HAD IN IRAQI DEFECTORS AND... |
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YES. I RECALL ABOUT TIME THAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN ARE GOING INTO THE FIELD IN IRAQ THAT ALSO, THEY ... |
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OK. |
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DO YOU RECALL THAT? |
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YES, I DO. |
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AND WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THAT NUCLEAR MATERIAL? WHY -- WHY WAS THAT THERE AND WHAT WAS THE SOURCE... |
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THERE WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF NUCLEAR WASTE AND MATERIAL THAT THE U.N. HAD PURPOSELY LEFT THERE IT IS... |
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THAT WAS AFTER THE PERSIAN GULF CONFLICT? |
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AFTER THE PERSIAN GULF CONFLICT. WHAT WAS REMOVED WAS THE DIRECT USE MATERIAL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN... |
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DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA THE ORIGIN OF THAT MATERIAL? |
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THE ORIGIN OF MOST OF THAT MATERIAL IS PRETTYWHELM UNDERSTOOD. THE IRAQIS BOTH MIND URANIUM OF THEIR... |
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DIJERE. THERE HAD ALSO -- THE FRENCH PROVIDED REACTOR FUEL AS HAD THE RUSSIANS PROVIDED REACTOR FUEL.... |
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DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT NUCLEAR PROGRAM WAS BRA DOWN AND WHEN THAT MATERIAL WAS STORED IN THAT WASTE SNITE... |
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YES, WE KNOW VERY PRECISELY. WE STARRED DOING IT IN LATE 1991 AND CONTINUED -- WAS ALMOST COMPLETE... |
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OK. -- AGENCY DID A GOOD JOB. |
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THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE CONCLUDED THAT IRAQ COULD BUILD ITS FIRST NUCLEAR WEAPON WHEN IT... |
| 01:52:20 |
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YES. YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THIS WAS A COUNTRY THAT HAD DESIGNED AND HAD GONE THROUGH A DECADE-LONG ... |
| 01:53:03 |
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YOU RAN OVER ONE PART OF YOUR STATEMENT. YOU SAID THEY ACTUALLY RAN A TEST ON THE MATERIAL THAT THEY... |
| 01:53:11 |
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AT ABOUT THE -- |
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WITH REGARD TO NUCLEAR MATERIAL SNRL |
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YES. |
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DURING THE 1980'S, THEY RAN A NUMBER OF TESTS USING BOTH WHAT WERE NORMAL SIMILAR ATLANTICS -- SIMULANTS... |
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DID THEY USE ALUMINUM TUBES AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO ENRICH THEIRURE AIN'T ZUM |
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NO, THEY DID NOT. THEY RELIED ON DIFFERENT PROCESSES. |
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I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT IRAQ'S EFFORTSES TO RESTART A NUCLEAR PROGRAM... |
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AS BEST HAS BEEN DETERMINED AND THIS IS, OBVIOUSLY, SOMETHING THE INVESTIGATION IS CONTINUING, IN... |
| 01:54:59 |
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SO IT WAS DEFINITELY A THREAT AS FAR AS YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH -- IN 2001, 2000? |
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GIVEN THEIR HISTORY, IT WAS CERTAINLY AN EMERGING PROGRAM THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE LOOKED FORWARD TO... |
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THANK YOU, DR. KAY. NOW CALL ON SENATOR PRYOR. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE AGAIN. I KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE... |
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I STARTED, I ARRIVED IN JUNE AND I LEFT IN LATE DECEMBER. |
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OK. AND WERE YOU ON THE GROUND MOST |
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YES. ONLY EXCEPT THE TIME I WAS REQUIRED TO BE BACK HERE BEFORE |
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RIGHT. HOW MANY SITES DID YOU OR YOUR TEAM VISIT? IRAQ? |
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I'M SURE WE CAN GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER BUT IT WAS IN THE HUNDREDS. |
| 01:56:03 |
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I'M SURE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT, THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS? |
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CLOSER TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PAGE OF DOCUMENTS. |
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HOW MANY INSPECTORS AND ANALYSTS DID YOU HAVE ON YOUR TEAM THERE TO ASSIST IN THIS EFFORT? |
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ROUGHLY IN TERMS OF -- THEY FALL UNDER THREE AREAS TO GIVE YOU SOME MEANING. IN TERMS OF SUBJECT MATTER... |
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OK. AND DID YOU HAVE FULL ACCESS TO OUR INTELLIGENCE, PERTINENT INTELLIGENCE ON W.M.D.? |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
| 01:57:10 |
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NOTHING WAS SCREENED FROM YOU AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? |
| 01:57:12 |
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AS FAR AS I KNOW, NOTHING WAS SCREENED NOR DO I BELIEVE ANYTHING WAS SCREENED. |
| 01:57:15 |
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RIGHT. AT WHAT POINT DURING THIS PROCESS DID YOU START TO GET THAT UNEASY FEELING ABOUT W.M.D. IN... |
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SENATOR, IT WAS NOT A 3:00 A.M. WAKEUP CALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. IT WAS THE EMERGING PICTURE... |
| 01:58:03 |
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AT WHAT POINT DID YOU BEGIN COMMUNICATING THAT WITH THE PENTAGON OR THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE C.I.A.?... |
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IT WAS WITH THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. OH, I THINK MY FIRST COMMUNICATION ABOUT THIS PROGRAM MAY... |
| 01:58:46 |
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OK. AND DO YOU -- AND I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, TO SOME EXTENT... |
| 01:58:55 |
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NO. IN FACT, MY -- I'VE SPOKEN TO THE PRESIDENT DIRECTLY TO THE WHITE HOUSE ONLY ONCE. IT WAS IN... |
| 01:59:10 |
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IN THIS SUMMER AND FALL PERIOD WHERE YOU STARTED EXPRESSING CONCERNS AND STARTED TO, YOU KNOW, TELL... |
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IT WAS THE ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE ONE. WHERE IS THE DATA? ARE YOU CONSIDERED THIS? WILL YOU LOOK... |
| 01:59:50 |
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YOU KNOW, YOU TESTIFIED TODAY THAT WE KNOW IRAQ HAD SOME W.M.D. AND USED SOME IN THE 1980'S AND IN... |
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IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A WEAPONS PROGRAM -- DIDN'T HAVE A WEAPONS PROGRAM. I HOPE THEY DON'T... |
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THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION BECAUSE I'M OUT OF TIME BUT IS IT YOUR OPINION THEN THAT THE REGIME THAT... |
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I THINK UNSCOM DESERVES CREDIT FOR DESTROYING THE TYPICAL THING WHICH ALL OF US THAT HAVE SERVED ARE... |
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THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SENATOR? |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, LET ME START BY JOINING MY COLLEAGUES IN THANKING YOU FOR YOUR MOST... |
| 02:06:42 |
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IT'S STILL A SUBJECT OF INVESTIGATION. IT LOOKS SPECIFICALLY -- DEAL WITH THE V.X.. THE IRAQIS, WE... |
| 02:08:07 |
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I'M INTRIGUED BY THE INTERVIEWS THAT YOU CONDUCTED WITH SOME OF THE IRAQI SCIENTISTS WHO OUTLINED... |
| 02:08:49 |
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IT'S ONE OF THE TOUGHEST QUESTIONS AROUND AND WE'VE JUST GOT LITTLE PIECES OF EVIDENCE SO LET ME TELL... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR. |
| 02:10:25 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, I WANT TO ADD MY APPRECIATION FOR YOUR CANDOR. IT'S VERY REFRESH... |
| 02:12:37 |
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THAT INCLUDES, FOR EXAMPLE, TAKE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THE IRAQIS. A PROGRAM TO DEVELOP A SUBSTANTIVE... |
| 02:13:47 |
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ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE INDICATED THAT WE'VE -- THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE INDICATED THAT WE'VE --... |
| 02:14:06 |
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TERMS OF POSSIBILITY, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T RULE OUT ANYTHING. THE WAY I TRIED TO DIRECT OUR ACTIVITIES,... |
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IS IT A BASIC ASSUMPTION ON YOUR PART OR A SUSPICION THAT IS BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU'VE SAID,... |
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MY BELIEF IS THAT THEY DID NOT MOVE LARGE STOCKPILES OF W.M.D. TO SYRIA IS BASED ON MY CONCLUSION... |
| 02:15:49 |
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WELL, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ACTIVITY... |
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ONE MAKES THAT ASSUMPTION. |
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I WOULD THINK SO. |
| 02:16:05 |
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AND ALWAYS YOU KNOW, I ALSO HAVE TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE MOST LIKELY TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS... |
| 02:16:38 |
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DR. KAY, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH AS I SAY, YOUR CANDOR AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT AN OUTSIDE... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR, FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION. |
| 02:17:17 |
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THANK YOU. DR. KAY, I, TOO, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED, LEST THE POLITICS... |
| 02:17:50 |
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I THINK THAT'S TRUE. |
| 02:17:56 |
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AND UNTIL YOUR REPORT AFTER YOUR LONG WORK WITH THE IRAQI SURVEY GROUP, HAVE YOU FOUND THAT ANYONE,... |
| 02:18:19 |
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NO. I KNOW OF NO MANIPULATION. I KNOW OF A LOT OF SKEPTICISM AND -- BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A WIDELY... |
| 02:18:34 |
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SO YOU KNOW OF NO EVIDENCE, NO INDICATION THAT ANYONE TRIED TO INTENTIONALLY MANIPULATE THE INTELLIGENCE... |
| 02:18:47 |
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I'VE SEEN NO EVIDENCE OF THAT NOR HAVE I SEEN ANY EVIDENCE AFTER THE FACT OF ANYONE TRYING TO INFLUENCE... |
| 02:18:55 |
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LET ME TRY TO NAIL DOWN A COUPLE OF OTHER FACTS. ALTHOUGH NOW IT APPEARS THAT SADDAM OR AT LEAST SO... |
| 02:19:13 |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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WOULD YOU SAY THEN, DR. KAY, THAT IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SADDAM WOULD BUILD SUCH STOCKPILES... |
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I THINK YOU WILL HAVE WHEN YOU GET THE FINAL REPORT, PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD... |
| 02:19:51 |
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SO GIVEN TIME, THESE PROGRAMS WOULD HAVE MATURED AND SADDAM WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RECONSTITUTE HIS... |
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I HESITATE ONLY -- I THINK THAT'S THE SAFE ASSUMPTION. WHAT I DON'T KNOW OVER TIME, AND I'M MORE AND... |
| 02:20:21 |
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YOU SAID SOMETHING DURING YOUR OPENING STATEMENT THAT INTRIGUES ME AND SOMETHING THAT I'M AFRAID MAY... |
| 02:21:09 |
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ACTUALLY, I CONSIDER IT A BIGGEST RISK AND THAT'S WHY I PAUSED ON THE PRECEDING QUESTION. I CONSIDER... |
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SP AND INDEED, THAT CONTINUES TO BE A CERTAIN WE HAVE TODAY IN THE OLD SOVIET UNION AND OTHER PLACES.... |
| 02:21:36 |
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PAKISTAN. |
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OTHER NATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE HAD OFFICIAL WEAPONS PROGRAMS, BIOLOGICAL, CHEMICAL AND NUCLEAR, THE... |
| 02:21:52 |
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THAT'S CORRECT. |
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AND INDEED, THE ZREPPINGS THAT SOME OF -- THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT OF SADDAM'S ONLY MILITARY AND SCIENTISTS... |
| 02:22:29 |
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I THINK THAT PROBABLY DID. I'M JUST HESITANT BECAUSE ANALYZING THE MIND OF SOMEONE WHO WOULD END UP... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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THANK YOU. |
| 02:22:45 |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR, VERY MUCH. NOW TO BILL NELSON. |
| 02:22:48 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DR. KAY, IN THE INTERVIEW WITH THE "NEW YORK TIMES" A FEW DAYS AGO, YOU HAD... |
| 02:23:50 |
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SENATOR, WHEN JIM ASKED ME ABOUT THAT, I GAVE HIM THE EXAMPLE WHICH HE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE ARTICLE.... |
| 02:25:16 |
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DR. KAY, I, ALONG WITH 76 OTHER SENATORS, VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE PRESIDENT THE EXPENDITURE... |
| 02:26:57 |
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SENATOR, WHAT WE HAVE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME EXPLORING IS THE U.A.V. PROGRAM. IT WAS A VERY LARGE... |
| 02:28:35 |
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WELL, DR. KAY, NEED TOLS SAY, I WAS ABSOLUTELY -- NEEDLESS TO SAY, I WAS ABSOLUTELY TOLD THAT THAT... |
| 02:29:07 |
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I UNDERSTAND, SENATOR. |
| 02:29:09 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR. COLLEAGUES, I TAKE NOTE THAT OUR DISTINGUISHED WITNESS HAS BEEN UNDER... |
| 02:29:51 |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN, DR. KAY. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT REPORT? |
| 02:29:58 |
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I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT. I'VE NOT READ IT COVER TO COVER. |
| 02:30:02 |
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LET ME READ YOU A PORTION OF IT THEN ON PAGE 34. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE ASSESSMENTS BEFORE DISPUTE... |
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SENATOR, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A FAIR -- AS MY MEMORY AND I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF ME.... |
| 02:32:51 |
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WHICH IRAQ HAD AT WHAT POINT? WE'VE GONE BACK TO AT LEAST LOOK AT -- THE PART WE WERE ABLE TO GET... |
| 02:33:02 |
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BUT THERE WAS ALSO TESTIMONY. |
| 02:33:03 |
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HE'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE HAD IN THE EARLY 1990'S AND WHAT THAT ANTHRAX CAN DO AND WHAT WE DESTROYED.... |
| 02:33:14 |
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MY MEMORY IS IT WAS THIS COMMITTEE. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN COMMITTEE Z. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SECRETARY... |
| 02:33:28 |
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MY MEMORY IS THAT IN HOLDING THAT FIVE-POUND BAG AND TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH DESTRUCTION THAT CAN DO,... |
| 02:33:38 |
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THAT'S MY MEMORY, SIR. YOU HAVE THE RECORDS. YOU'VE GOT STAFF BEHIND YOU. I DON'T. |
| 02:33:43 |
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YEAH. |
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IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT SECRETARY SAID THAT THEY -- THE SAME THING BASICALLY AS... |
| 02:34:11 |
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I'M SAYING MY MEMORY IS THAT IS WHAT HE SAID. I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN CHECKING THE RECORD. |
| 02:34:17 |
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WE WILL SURELY DO THAT TO SEE IF YOUR MEMORY IS CORRECT. LET ME ALSO READ TO YOU SOMETHING FROM THE... |
| 02:36:24 |
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I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE TERRIBLY DIFFERENT. I THINK -- |
| 02:36:26 |
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ARE THEY SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT? |
| 02:36:28 |
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SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT. NOR QUITE FRANKLY YOUR MEMORY IS BETTER THAN MINE. I'M NOT SURE THAT IS THE TOTAL... |
| 02:36:44 |
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IT'S FAR MORE. I'M TRYING TO OBVIOUSLY -- BECAUSE I CAN'T QUOTE THE ENTIRE, I PICK OUT REPRESENTATIVE... |
| 02:36:52 |
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I UNDERSTAND BUT IN JUDGING SIMILARITIES AND ACCURACIES, SELECTION IS ALWAYS A DANGER IN ANY FIELD.... |
| 02:36:56 |
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I AGREE. BY ANYBODY THAT ATTEMPTS TO COMMUNICATE, THAT'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM. |
| 02:37:02 |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
| 02:37:03 |
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BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO THEN, BECAUSE YOU'VE MADE A REPRESENTATION HERE THAT THESE WERE THE... |
| 02:38:08 |
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I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO TAKE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS FROM YOU. I HOPE IT COMES FROM AN ADDRESS OF ONE OF... |
| 02:38:29 |
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YOU'RE ENTITLED TO IT. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT FRANCE, RUSSIA AND EVERYBODY ELSE. THERE'S A QUOTE FROM CHIRAC,... |
| 02:38:55 |
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THERE ARE OTHER QUOTES FROM THE FRENCH AND FROM CHIRAC. |
| 02:38:57 |
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WHERE CHIRAC SAYS THEY DO |
| 02:38:58 |
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YES. |
| 02:39:00 |
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THAT'S JUST ONE QUOTE AND RUSSIA, HOWEVER, DID NOT SAY THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE OR THAT THEY HAD NOT... |
| 02:39:16 |
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THE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE I DON'T HAVE ON THE TIP OF MY TONGUE UNLESS -- |
| 02:39:21 |
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ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU BE ASKED BY THE -- I GUESS THE INTELLIGENCE -- BY. C.I.A. FOR WHOM YOU WERE WORKING... |
| 02:39:38 |
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I DID A FINAL -- I DID A FINAL. I DID A BRIEFING OUT FOR THE D.D.C.I. AND THE D.C.I. OF WHAT I FOUND.... |
| 02:40:00 |
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THERE WERE NOTE TAKERS IN THE ROOM BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- |
| 02:40:04 |
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I THINK -- IT'S NOT UP TO ME. I'M NOT THE CHAIRMAN BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IMPORTANT FOR THE HISTORY AND... |
| 02:41:25 |
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IF ASKED BY THOSE SENATORS, CERTAINLY THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA WHERE I... |
| 02:41:49 |
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THAT'S UP TO THE SENATORS. |
| 02:41:51 |
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I'VE GIVEN IT SOME CONSIDERATION AND I'M DATORS. |
| 02:41:53 |
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I'VE GIVEN IT SOME CONSIDERATION AND I'M DISCUSS IT WITH OUR DISTINGUISHED WITNESS BUT IT SEEMS TO... |
| 02:42:04 |
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I LEAVE IT TO YOU. |
| 02:42:05 |
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ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD HOPE THE CHAIRMAN WOULD TAKE UNDER ADVISEMENT AND THAT'S THAT WE ASK... |
| 02:42:18 |
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YOUR COMMENTS, OBVIOUSLY ARE SIGNIFICANT, YOUR COMMENTS HERE AND PERIOD, YOUR STATEMENT IN THE "NEW... |
| 02:42:54 |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR. DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENT? |
| 02:42:57 |
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I WOULD SIMPLY ASK ONE LAST QUESTION THAT I THINK THERE MAY BE AN OMISSION IN THE RECORD THAT SHOULD... |
| 02:43:24 |
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SENATOR, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT I KNOW OF. THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY AS YOU KNOW A ... |
| 02:43:41 |
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THANK YOU. THE HEARING WILL NOW BE CONCLUDED WITH MY, AGAIN, EXPRESSION OF APPRECIATION TO YOU AND... |
| 02:43:51 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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