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AUTHOR, COLUMNIST, JAZZ CRITIC, PLAYWRIGHT. STEPHEN CROUCH JOINS US FOR THE NEXT THREE HOURS TO TALK... |
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STEPHEN CROUCH, THE WORD POPS UP IN ALMOST EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN AND THAT'S THE... |
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RIGHT. |
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WOULD YOU DEFINE WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU? |
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BLUES IS A NUMBER OF THINGS. SOME OF THEM ARE HAPPY. SOME OF THEM ARE SAD. SOME OF THEM ARE AMBIVALENT.... |
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COULD BE RICHLY TEXTURED. |
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VERY RICHLY. |
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STEPHEN CROUCH IS GOING TO SPEND THE NEXT THREE HOURS WITH US. FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS OR SO, HE HAS... |
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I THINK I WOULD LOOK AT BOTH OF THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED WITH PEOPLE IN NEW YORK WHO... |
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WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? |
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I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE COMMENTARY ON JAZZ HAS BEEN VERY POOR AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD A WAY TO GET INTO... |
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WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT ACHIEVEMENT IS? |
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WELL, THE MAJOR ACHIEVEMENT OF JAZZ IS THAT IT'S CONQUERED -- IT'S BROUGHT THE VELOCITY OF CREATION... |
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IS THAT THE DEFINITION OF A GENIUS WITH FEELING? |
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I THINK A GENIUS IS A PERSON WHO INTRODUCES A NEW LOGIC, THAT THAT'S WHAT A REAL GENIUS DOES. A GENIUS... |
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WHEN DID YOU KNOW -- FIRST KNOW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO WRITE FOR A LIVING? |
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WELL, THAT WAS A LONG TIME COMING. WHEN I WAS A BOY, I WAS GOING TO BE A PAGER. I HAD A VERY GOOD... |
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EITHER OF THOSE PATHS, WHETHER IT WAS A PAGER OR A WRITER IS A PERSON WHO CREATES WITH IDEAS AND CONCEPTS,... |
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I DON'T REALLY KNOW. I WAS JUST ALWAYS MOVED BY THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, MALREAUX SAYS -- AND I... |
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YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT A PIECE OF YOUR WRITING THAT WE COULD START WITH TO LEARN A LITTLE... |
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OK. THANK YOU. |
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THIS IS MY SECOND BOOK OF ESSAY, DEAD INDICATED TO MY MOTHER. EMMA B. CROUCH, WHO DIED A FEW YEARS... |
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WOULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT EMMA B. CROUCH'S INFLUENCE ON YOUR EARLY DEVELOPMENT? |
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WELL, SHE WAS -- HER VISION OF THINGS WAS VERY UNIQUE BECAUSE -- THE AFRO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY IS VERY... |
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PLEASE CALL IF USE WANT TO TALK TO STEPHEN CROUCH. WHERE WAS DAD? |
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HE WAS A CRIMINAL. HE WAS IN JAIL MOST OF THE TIME, JAMES CROUCH. NOW THAT SIDES OF MY FAMILY IS THE... |
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HOW MUCH OF AN INFLUENCE WAS HE? WAS HE AT HOME VERY MUCH AT ALL? |
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NO. NO. HE WAS IN JAIL MOST OF THE TIME. BUT HE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY MAN. HE WAS ONE OF THE MOST BRILLIANT... |
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WHAT ARE YOUR RECOLLECTIONS OF LOS ANGELES IN THE EARLY 1950'S? |
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WELL, LOS ANGELES AT THAT TIME WAS A LOT LIKE -- IT WAS AS THOUGH A LARGE PART OF TEXAS, A PART OF... |
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HOW LONG DID YOU STAY IN L.A.? |
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TOO LONG. I STAYED THERE UNTIL 1975. I WAS BORN DECEMBER 14, 1945, I SHOULD HAVE LEFT ABOUT 10 YEARS... |
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YOU WERE THERE DURING 1968, DURING THE RIOTS. |
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'65. |
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OH, YES. |
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THE WHOLE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IN THE COUNTRY. THE WHOLE NINE YARDSES. WHAT WAS IT LIKE THEN? |
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I MEAN, LOS ANGELES WAS SOMETHING IS THAT -- SEE, I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I LEFT LOS ANGELES THAT I... |
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I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR FROM A FEW PEOPLE WHO STILL LIVE OUT THERE. |
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GOOD FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 250 MILLION OF US. SOMEBODY HAS TO LIVE IN LOS ANGELES. |
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EDUCATION? |
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I WENT TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL. 28TH STREET SCHOOL, WHICH IS ABOUT MAYBE A MILE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE BECAUSE... |
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I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THE UNIVERSITY OR COLLEGE. DID YOU GO? |
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I WENT FAR LITTLE WHILE. BUT I'M A DROPOUT. NO. I WENT AND I LEFT. AND I LEFT BEFORE I GOT ANY KIND... |
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HOW DID YOU MANAGE THAT, TEACHING WITHOUT A COLLEGE DEGREE? |
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BY THEN, THEY HAD ARTISAN RESIDENT STUFF, YOU KNOW? AND I INTERVIEWED -- LET ME SEE. THERE WAS THIS... |
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IN 1975, YOU LEFT LOS ANGELES. |
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RIGHT. |
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BOUND FOR NEW YORK? |
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OH, YEAH. |
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YOU WERE SURE NEW YORK WAS |
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I KNEW IT. I NUFE I HAD TO GO AND GET UP OUT OF THERE. BUT I HAD A LOT OF GOOD EXPERIENCES WHEN I... |
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WHAT YEAR IS THIS PICTURE FROM? |
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THAT'S ABOUT 1976. |
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RIGHT ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO, LET'S SHOW PEOPLE WHAT YOU LOOKED LIKE WHEN YOU FIRST MOVED... |
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I WAS PLAYING THE DRUMS, YOU KNOW? AND I WAS WRITING AND I WAS PLAYING THE DRUMS AND I WAS JUST STARTING,... |
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AND STEPHEN CROUCH IS STILL PLAYING THE DRUMS TODAY. WE'LL TAKE OUR FIRST PHONE CALL. AS WE DO, YOU... |
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HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? CALLER: GOOD, THANK YOU. I'M HONORED TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY F. YOUR TRAVELS ACROSS... |
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AND, SIR, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? CALLER: WELL, YEAH. I'M BIASED A BIT TO MY HOMETOWN, NEW... |
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I'M LIVING IN NEW YORK. I LOOK AT NEW YORK AS HAVING SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE IN MANY... |
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OUR NEXT CALL IS FROM NEW YORK CITY. WELCOME TO OUR CONVERSATION WITH STEPHEN CROUCH. CALLER: OH, WELCOME.... |
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OH, NO. DUBOIS. |
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RIGHT. CALLER: I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BRILLIANT PROGRAM AND WE NEED -- ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU,... |
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WELL, I THINK THAT YOU -- I THINK YOU HAVE TO PICK PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING IN THE DIRECTION YOU WANT... |
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HOW MANY HOURS A DAY DO YOU READ? |
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IT DEPENDS. I CAN READ 12, 15 IF I HAVE TO. THAT'S NOT A DAILY THING. SOME DAYS I CAN READ NONE. ... |
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THAT CALLER MENTIONED THIS PROJECTION THAT YOU DID "RECONSIDERING THE SOULS OF BLACK FOLK." I PULLED... |
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THE FIRST THING IS DUBOIS IS SUCH A COLOSSAL FIGURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE KNOWN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE... |
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CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS. CALLER: FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO C-SPAN FOR HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO HAVE... |
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YOU MEAN FOR -- YOU MEAN FOR REMINDING THEM. WELL, I THINK BALDWIN WAS USUALLY OVERTAKEN BY, YOU KNOW,... |
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I CHOSE AN ESSAY FROM JAMES BALDWIN FROM YOUR FIRST BOOK "NOTES OF A HANGING JUDGE" THAT YOU PUBLISHED... |
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YEAH. |
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STILL SOUND -- |
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YEAH. WELL, IT'S TRUE. I MEAN, WE'RE STILL -- SEE, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO COME OUT OF THAT. LIKE ONE... |
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LOS ANGELES, YOU'RE NEXT. GOOD AFTERNOON. CALLER: HI. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT YOU HAVE MR. CROUCH ON.... |
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WELL, I THINK THAT YOU -- I THINK THERE IS A MUCH BIGGER AUDIENCE FOR BLACK WRITERS IN THE UNITED... |
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OUR NEXT CALL FOR YOU IS FROM SAN ANTONIO. CALLER: MR. CROUCH, I THADS PRIVILEGE LAST EVENING OF BEING... |
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OH, IT HAS BEEN VERY GOOD. WHEN HE CAME ALONG, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK THAT JAZZ WAS DEAD. THAT THERE... |
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ALIVE RIGHT NOW OR ALL-TIME? |
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WELL, TRUMPET PLAYER BOBBY BRADFORD SAID TO ME, AND HE IS CLOSING IN ON 70 AND HE STOOD NEXT TO COLEMAN... |
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WE HAVE A LITTLE CLIP OF A PROJECT YOU WORKED ON WITH WYNTON MARSALIS. THIS IS A SERMON. YOU CAN... |
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THOUGH WE ARE TOLD TO MOURN IT, WE MUST KNOW THAT IT WAS A NOBLE SOUNDS. (music) [PIANO PLAYING] |
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IT HAD MAGIC. YES, IT WAS MAJESTIC. DEEP DOWN IN THE SOUL OF IT ALL, THE NOTES THEMSELVES PROVIDE... |
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THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A CLIP, A PIECE THAT WAS ALL TOGETHER ABOUT 15 MINUTES LONG IN A LARGER... |
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THAT WAS CALLED "PREMATURE AUTOPSIES." THAT WAS A LETTER TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SAYING THAT JAZZ... |
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WE TAKE A CALL FROM LAS VEGAS NEXT. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. CALLER: GOOD AFTERNOON. MR. CROUCH, I LOVED... |
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THANKSGIVINGS. CALLER: I WOULD LIKE THAT ASK ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH. JUST A FEW DAYS AGO CONTROVERSIES... |
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WELL, SEE, I WOULD SAY THIS -- I WOULD SAY THAT BUSH IS PROBABLY TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF IN THE... |
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WE ARE 1/3 THROUGH THE THREE-HOUR CONVERSATION WITH STANLEY CROUCH. NEXT, STANLEY CROUCH IS GOING TO... |
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WE'RE IN THE WEST VILLAGE NEAR THE HUDSON RIVER. AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR 20 YEARS. |
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WHAT KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD IS THIS IN THE WEST VILLAGE? |
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WELL, IT IS CONSIDERED A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. I GUESS IT'S CALLED MIDDLE CLASS, UPPER MIDDLE CLASS.... |
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AND THIS IS THE ROOM WE'RE IN IS YOUR OFFICE? THIS IS WHERE YOU WORK? |
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YES, THIS IS MY OFFICE. I WORK IN HERE AND MY WIFE AND I LIVE NEXT DOOR IN ANOTHER PLACE. |
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WHAT IS A TYPICAL WORK DAY LOOK FOR YOU IN HERE? HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT WRITING? |
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I GET UP EVERY DAY, I GUESS, ABOUT 6:00, 6:00, 6:30, AND I COME IN HERE AND I READ THE NEWSPAPERS... |
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THE WRITING IS DONE ON THIS COMPUTER HERE? |
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YEAH. WHENEVER I WRITE SOMETHING, I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN VERSIONS. IF I AM WRITING A SCENE... |
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I SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF FILING CABINETS AROUND HERE WITH PARKER A-E AND PARKER ON THEM. DO YOU USE... |
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THOSE FILES CONTAIN ALL OF THE INTERVIEWS FROM THE LONG-AWAITED CHARLIE PARKER BOOK. LONG AWAIT S... |
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LOT OF BOOKS IF YOUR ROOM HERE. HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHAT TO KEEP HERE AND DO YOU USE THEM WHEN YOU... |
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WELL, THESE ARE MORE OR LESS -- THERE ARE MANY STORIES AND BOOKS STORED IN BOXES DOWN IN THE BASEMENT.... |
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STANLEY CROUCH IS NOW BANG WITH US LIVE IN -- IS NOW BACK WITH US LIVE IN OUR STUDIO FOR THE THREE-HOUR... |
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I NEED MONEY AND WHEN THEY OFFERED A COLUMN, I BECAME A STAFF WRITER. IT WASN'T EXACTLY A RAG WHEN... |
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THIS WAS 1975. |
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NO, ABOUT 1979. MAYBE LATER THAN THAT. BUT I WAS THE FIRST, SO I GOT ANY FIRST IN. JACKIE ROBINSON... |
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I THINK WOMEN WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT. |
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OH, YEAH, SEE, THE WOMAN IS ALWAYS THERE IF ONLY BY PROXY BECAUSE SHE'S -- BECAUSE MOST GUYS IF THEY... |
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JAMES BUCHANAN. |
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THAT IS RIGHT. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO WRITE A NOVEL ABOUT HIM OR DID HE -- WAIT A MINUTE. DID JOHN UPDIKE... |
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TODAY YOU ARE STILL WRITING A COLUMN. WHERE CAN PEOPLE READ IT? |
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AT THE NEW YORK DAILY NEWS. NYDAILYNEWS.COM ON MONDAY AND THURSDAY. |
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HOW MUCH OF THE RHYTHM OF WRITING THE TWO COLUMNS EVERY WEEK IS YOUR LIFE SHAPED AROUND? |
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THOSE TWO DAYS? |
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DEADLINE NEVER GOES AWAY. |
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THOSE TWO DAYS. BUT I HAVE VOTGOTHEN INTO IT. PLUS, I LIKE ATE LOT. I LIKE ATE LOT BECAUSE IT PUTS... |
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WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY THE COLUMNS THAT MAKE IT INTO THE BOOKS. |
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I WOULD BE AFRAID TO TRY TO PUT A BOOK TOGETHER OF COLUMNS. FIRST THING, YOU ARE ONLY 600 WORDS, SO... |
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CHAPEL HILL, NORTH CAROLINA. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. CALLER: GOOD AFTERNOON. THE LAST TIME I SAW YOU BUZZ... |
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IF ONLY BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO GUYS AND ALL THAT DEBACLE, -- |
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RIGHT, RIGHT. YOU HATE TO COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE WE HAD THE PICKET. BUT I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS... |
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WHY IS JAZZ TIMES A FRIVOLOUS MAGAZINE? CALLER: YEAH. YOU CALLED IT FRIVOLOUS -- YOU CALLED IT PETTY... |
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WELL, I MEAN, THE THING IS IT'S A MAGAZINE LIKE MOST JAZZ MAGAZINES RUN BY MINOR MEN. OBVIOUSLY THIS... |
| 01:28:08 |
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NEXT QUESTION FOR STANLEY CROUCH FROM ARIZONA. SMEDLEY, ARIZONA. CALLER: HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. |
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HI. WHAT IS IT LIKE IN SMEDLEY, ARIZONA? I HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THAT. CALLER: IT'S VERY ARID.... |
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AS ONE MIGHT EXPECT IT TO BE. WHAT PART OF THE STATE ARE YOU? CALLER: THE NORTHERN PART NEAR THE BORDER.... |
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THANKS FOR YOUR CALL. WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND? CALLER: YES. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STANLEY CROUCH WHAT... |
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WAIT A MINUTE. YOU'RE NOT FROM SMEDLEY, ARIZONA. I KNOW YOU. YOU LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY. CALLER:... |
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YOU ARE SCOTT PELAGRINO. DON'T PUT ME IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF -- TURN THIS GUY OFF. |
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OK. HOW DO YOU KNOW HIM? |
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HE CALLS PEOPLE AND HARASSES THEM ON TALK SHOWS ALL THE TIME. |
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IF WE LOOK ON THE MAP, MAYBE THERE ISN'T A SMEDLEY, ARIZONA. |
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THERE YOU GO, SCOTT. NOT ME! |
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INDIAN ROCKS BEACH, FLORIDA. YOU ARE ON THE AIR. CALLER: HELLO, HI. I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO STUDY... |
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WELL, I DON'T EXACTLY UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION. CALLER: WELL, WHAT I MEAN IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF... |
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OR ANYBODY ELSE'S. CALLER: RIGHT. TO THE DEGREE THEY COULD BE. AND SO EARLIER WHEN YOU WERE TALKING... |
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OH, SIGH SEE. WELL, YOU SEE, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS ONE OF THE LARGE FIGURES OF BLACK STUDIES IS IN... |
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IT SEEMS LIKE A GREAT TIME TO PLAY A LITTLE DUKE ELLINGTON, FOR THE UNNICHE YATE. AND WHILE WE ARE... |
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WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO PLAY? |
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THE ONE WE PICKED OUT BEFORE. GET THAT CUED UP HERE. |
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PLAY PHILLY -- OH, OH. JACKSON. THAT'S FINE. (music) GOT ON MY KNEES (music) (music) PLEASE LOOK... |
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WHAT ARE WE LISTENING TO? |
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THAT WAS "COME SUNDAY" BY MAHAYLA JACKSON. WELL, I LISTEN TO HER, AND SHE MIGHT BE THE GREATEST THING... |
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WE WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE A TASTE OF DUKE ELLINGTON. THAT WASN'T THE BEST. LITTLE GIRL OR PHILLY TRILLY?... |
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CAN WE FOUND PHILLY TRILLY FOR THE AUDIENCE TO HEAR SOME DUKE ELLINGTON? TAKE THEM A SECOND TO GET... |
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HOW MANY DUKE ELLINGTON RECORDS WE HAVE? |
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I LOOKED YESTERDAY. I HAVE THREE. |
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THAT'S ALL RIGHT. |
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I LOOKED YESTERDAY JUST TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT QUESTION. |
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THAT IS BECAUSE YOU WORK ON C-SPAN AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE |
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OK. WE'LL LISTEN TO PHILLY TRILLLY HERE WITH DUKE ELLINGTON. |
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NO, THIS IS -- |
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WE'RE NOT DOING WELL, ARE WE? |
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THIS IS "FREE AS A BIRD." |
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WE'RE NOT GETTING THIS DONE RIGHT. THAT'S LOUIE ARMSTRONG. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CALL AND WHILE WE'RE... |
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WELL, I MEAN, WE KNOW THE DRUGS DIDN'T DROP OUT OF HEAVEN, SO ALBERT MURRAY SAYS DRUG ABUSE AND ALCOHOLISM... |
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NAPLES, FLORIDA. CALLER: HELLO, MR. CROUCH. ALWAYS A BIG FAN OF YOUR. |
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OH, THANK YOU. CALLER: "ALWAYS IN PURSUIT OF AMERICAN PERSPECTIVES" IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BOOKS. |
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THANKS A MILLION. CALLER: I HAVE NEVER HEARD YOUR COMMENT ON THE SUCCESS OF PEOPLE FROM THE WEST INDIES... |
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WELL, FOR ONE THING, THERE IS A SMALLER GROUP OF THEM, SO IT'S EASIER FOR MORE OF THEM TO SUCCEED,... |
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THIRD TIME IS A CHARM, I HOPE. "PHILLY TRILLY," DUKE ELLINGTON. (music) (music) (music) |
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WHY DOES THIS MAN MAKE IT INTO YOUR WRITINGS AND THINKINGS SO OFTEN? |
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BECAUSE OF THE SHEAR ENORMITY OF HIS OUTPUT IN TERMS OF QUALITY. DUKE ELLINGTON WAS BORN 1899 AND... |
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HOW DOES THAT PROVIDE YOU METAPHORS FOR THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU THINK ABOUT? |
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WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU TAKE ONE OF MY BOOKS THAT I WAS TRYING TO -- I WAS TRYING TO WRITE IN A... |
| 01:53:39 |
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SAN DIEGO. GOOD AFTERNOON. CALLER: HI, MR. CROUCH. I HAVE -- I AM INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR OPINION... |
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THEATER. A LOT OF THESE GUYS MAY HAVE VERY -- THEY MAY HAVE NO -- THEY MAY HAVE BAD MANNERS OR PERHAPS... |
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PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND. CALLER: I HAVE HI. I HAVE A TWO-PART QUESTION THAT APPLIES TO ARTISTS. ... |
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WE GOT IT, THANK YOU. |
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WELL, FIRST THING IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE PEOPLE AND THE LARGE BLACK POPULATION IN THE PENITENTIARY.... |
| 01:59:26 |
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YOU MEAN ALL DRUGS SHOULD BE LEGALIZED? |
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NO -- YES, YES. ALL DRUGS SHOULD BE LEGALIZED. THE ONLY REASON I AM SAYING THAT IS THIS -- I DON'T... |
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I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THE COLIN POWELL AND MIKE AAL POWELL THING BUT THE GIST OF THE FIRST... |
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WELL, THE THING IS, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, TO ME, IS THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO HATE THE CLEAR CHANNEL --... |
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WELL, WE CAN PROVE IT. |
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GIVE THIS WOMAN $250 YOU LOW DOWN SON OF A -- GET OUT OF THE COURT. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. |
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NEXT UP, STANLEY CROUCH WILL TAKE US ON A TOUR OF HIS BOOKSHELF IN HIS OFFICE. |
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THIS BOOK, KENNETH CLARK "WHAT IS A MASTER PIECE?" I READ THIS OFTEN. IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT BOOK... |
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ARE THEY COLOR CODED WITH THE GREEN AND BLUE? SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES IT ONLY MEANS THAT I RAN OUT OF... |
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YOU ARE LISTENING TO A THREE-HOUR CONVERSATION WITHSTANDLY CROUCH ON BOOK TV'S INDEMOCRATIC. WE WILL... |
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FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I APPRECIATE STANLEY CROUCH'S WORK A GREAT DEAL. BUT THERE IS A TENSION... |
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WELL, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE OK. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS -- WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS... |
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WE HAVE A STACK OF EMAILS. HERE IS ONE VIEWER WHO WRITES ME ANYTHINGER, NEGRA, NEGRO, WHY DOES CROUCH... |
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THAT WAS KIND OF A STUPID THING THAT WAS SAID IN THE 1960'S. IF THEY SAID IF SO AND SO WAS A NEGRO... |
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SAN DIEGO. |
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YES, MR. CROUCH, GOOD MORNING, OR GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE CONTRIBUTION TO LITERATURE... |
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WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THE WHEN THE BEATLES CAME A BIG FORCE I HAD JUST GOTTEN OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL... |
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I SAID YES, BUT, NOW THERE WAS AN INFIRMARY WHICH THE GYNECOLOGIST WAS NAMED DR. ROSENTHAL AND WHEN... |
| 02:21:08 |
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TWO PEOPLE TONIGHT FOLLOW UP A COMMENT YOU MADE IN THE FIRST HOUR WE TALKED WHICH WAS ABOUT EDUCATION.... |
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WELL, I THINK THAT -- I THINK THE ENTIRE SOCIETY HAS FALLEN ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL OR TURNED ITS BACK... |
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WE HAVE ABOUT 35 MINUTES LATER. WILLIAMSTOWN, NEW JERSEY, YOU ARE NEXT. |
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HI MR. CROUCH. I SAW YOU IN THE MOVIE YOU MAKE GOOD COMMENTS. A BIG JAZZ FAN. I LOVE JAZZ. I DID... |
| 02:28:14 |
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AND THE SECOND QUESTION? |
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THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE WHY DO YOU THINK SO MANY AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEING... |
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SAN BAR, YOU ARE ON THE AIR. |
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ALL THIS WEEK I HAVE SEEN THE STORY ON THE BLUES. A DIFFERENT DIRECTOR EACH NIGHT. AND THEY BRING... |
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BLUES IS SECULAR MUSIC, BUT IT IS, IT HAS A KIND OF -- IT CAN HAVE AN EMOTION THAT IS ABSTRACT ENOUGH... |
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YOU ARE AT THE PODIUM HERE WITH GIULIANI. WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? |
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THAT IS WHEN IT WAS BEING ANNOUNCED THAT JAZZ AT LIABLE CENTER WAS GOING TO GET THIS PIECE OF REAL... |
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WHAT IS JAZZ AT LINCOLN CENTER |
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JAZZ AT LIABLE CENTER CAME OUT OF THIS PROGRAM THAT WAS STARTED IN 1987 CALLED CLASSIC AL-JAZEERA... |
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I SAID JAZZ AT LINCOLN CENTER IS AN INNOVATION IN AMERICAN CULTURE. |
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HE SAID YES, THAT WINTON MARSALIS IS MARVELOUS. |
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AND I SAID YES, WE ARE TRYING, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PROPOSE TO PUT A HALL IN WILL AND I SAID IF... |
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AND I SAID, YEAH, IT COULD. SO, HE CALLED THE GUY IN, YOU KNOW, THE PLANS THAT HAD BEEN PERHAPS SITTING... |
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WHEN WILL IT OPEN? |
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NEXT YEAR. IT IS -- I MUST SAY THIS IS NOT ONLY A BIG STEP FORWARD FOR JAZZ, BUT IT IS A BIG STEP... |
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HERE IS THE ESSAY, "BLUES TO BE CONSTITUTIONAL" STANLEY CROUCH IS REFERRING TO IN THE ALL AMERICAN... |
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HELLO, MR. CROUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY |
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THANKS. |
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A FEW YEARS AGO I RED THE NOVEL "JAZZ" BY TONY MORRISON AND EN-- EVEN THOUGH I ENJOYED IT I UNDERSTAND... |
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WELL, I HAVEN'T READ THAT BOOK, UNFORTUNATELY. I THINK IT HAS INFLUENCED AMERICAN WRITING IN TERMS... |
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YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT HOW YOU USED MUSIC AND JAZZ FOR THIS, "DON'T THE MOON LOOK LONESOME." YOU... |
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WELL, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH MINOR MEN. WHAT CAN YOU SAY. I MEAN DALE PECK IS A LITTLE GUY. HARDLY... |
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VANCOUVER, WASHINGTON. |
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MR. CROUCH, I'M LIVING IN VANCOUVER BUT I'M A BROOKLYN QUITE BOARD AND BRED SO YOU CAN COME TO WHERE... |
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I HAVEN'T READ THAT BOOK. |
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AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT JUAN WILLIAMS? |
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JUAN WILLIAMS, I LIKE JUAN A LOT. I THINK HE IS VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT BOOK HE WROTE ABOUT ... |
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THAT'S DIFFERENT. |
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I HAVEN'T READ THE OTHER ONE, NO. |
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THE NEXT CALL IS FROM SCHAUMBERG, ILLINOIS. ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES LEFT. |
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I WANT TO ASK YOU HAVE YOU READ TROOP'S BOOK ABOUT MILES DAVIS AND HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT HIM? |
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I HAVE AN ESSAY ABOUT MILES DAVIS, AND I THINK IT IS IN "ALWAYS IN PURSUIT" OR IN "ALL-AMERICAN SKIN... |
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LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THESE BOOKS, THE COLLECTION OF ESSAYS AND SOME COLUMNS. HOW WELL DO YOU THINK... |
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WELL, IF I DID WHAT I WANTED TO DO, I THINK A LOT OF THEM WILL STICK AROUND. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF I'M... |
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WINDOW ROCK, ARIZONA. YOU ARE ON THE AIR. |
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YES. MY -- I WONDERED, YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT AFFIRM IZATION A I'M NATIVE -- I'M A NATIVE... |
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I THINK THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND THAT IS ONE OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED AFTER BLACK... |
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OUR LAST CALL IS CHATTANOOGA. QUICK QUESTION FROM YOU. |
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FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MR. CROUCH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR MIND, SIR. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. THIS IS A RECURRING THEAM, RECURRING THEME. I'M A MUSICIAN, ALWAYS... |
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I THINK IT IS BOTH LIKE IN ALL OF THE ARTS. IF YOU ARE PULLED BY THE ART. BUT FILELY, SINCE WE ARE... |
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I HOPE YOU ARE LOOKING WITH THAT WATCH -- |
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I'M LOOKING AT MY WATCH. THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE WATCH I WAS TOLD SO IT CAN'T BE WRONG. |
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I HOPE YOU ARE SORRY WE ARE ABOUT DONE. |
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THIS CAN'TING WRONG. |
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IT IS NOT WRONG. ONLY MOMENTS AWAY. |
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YES. YOU BETTER BE RIGHT. SO, I JUST THINK THAT IN THE WORLD OF THE UNITED STATES ANYBODY CAN DO... |
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THERE'S A NICE QUESTION FROM ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO PUT A CAP... |
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I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT ME. BUT AS FAR AS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, I'M TRYING TO GET TO THAT... |
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WHAT'S NEXT FOR YOU? |
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I'M WORKING ON A BOOK NOW ABOUT A BLACK WOMAN WHO IS AN INTELLECTUAL AND I THINK THEY ARE INVISIBLE... |
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THAT'S THE LAST WORD. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US AND THANK YOU STANLEY CROUCH FOR SPENDING THREE... |
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THANK YOU |
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AUGUST FOUR OF HIS BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE IN BOOKSTORES IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND IN DEFERENCE TO ALL... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
