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DANIEL ELLSBERG, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN IN JAIL IN THE LAST WEEK? |
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IN THE LAST WEEK? TWO. |
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WHY? |
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REALLY, I THINK JAIL-GOING, WHICH -- IN NEW YORK, WE SAW, WAS INVENTED BY HENRY DAVID THOREAU BY AN... |
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BILL KRISTOL, WHEN YOU HEAR THIS, WHAT'S YOUR REACTION? |
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I RESPECT THEM, SO I STRONGLY DISAGREE ABOUT THE MORALITY OF THE WAR. I THINK THIS IS BOTH A NECESSARY... |
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HOW LONG AGO DID YOU COME TO THE POINT OF VIEW THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS WAR? DO YOU REMEMBER? ABOUT... |
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I WAS UNHAPPY IN 1991 WHEN WE STOPPED THE WAR AND LEFT THIS BRUTAL TYRANT IN POWER. I THINK WE BETRAYED... |
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CAN I COMMENT ON THAT? |
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YES. |
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I CAN SUPPORT A LOT OF WHAT HE SAID, ACTUALLY, JUST NOW. IN FACT, I AGREE WITH YOU, AND I WAS LOOKING... |
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I HAD NO DOCUMENTS TO PUT OUT. THERE WERE NO SECRETS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S POLICY. |
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VICE PRESIDENT QAIL -- |
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THERE WERE NO SECRET DOCUMENTS OF OUR PRESIDENT'S POLICY. |
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WERE THERE NOT ESTIMATES -- |
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WE WERE NOT GOING TO BAGHDAD AND NOT SUPPORTING THE REBELLION. IT WAS A TOTALLY PUBLIC POLICY. THERE... |
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DID YOU WRITE MEMOS -- |
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I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT RAISED THE ISSUE, CERTAINLY PAUL WOLFOWITZ WE KNOW NOW RAISED THE ISSUE... |
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BUT THEY WERE IMMORAL. |
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THAT'S NOT SO EASY TO CALL A POLITICAL DECISION IMMORAL. THESE WERE JUDGMENTS -- THESE WERE JUDGMENT... |
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I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF GOING TO BAGHDAD. |
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THAT'S SUPPORTING A POPULAR UPRISING AND NOT GOING TO WAR AT ALL. |
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THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAY IN YOUR BOOK. |
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NO, BUT IF YOU'RE -- WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE -- |
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WE SHOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THE POPULAR UPRISING. |
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TO SUPPORT A TYRANTICAL GOVERNMENT. AND LEAVE THEM THERE AFTER -- SO THEY WERE MORE ENCOURAGED? |
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I'M AGREEING WITH YOU HERE, WE WERE IN A POSITION TO CLEAR THE SKIES OF SADDAM'S -- |
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WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SO. |
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BUT THOSE WERE KRIT TAL -- |
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WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE GONE TO BAGHDAD. |
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AND WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE SHIITES AND SUPPORT OF THE KURDS, WHICH WE'RE NOT... |
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WE WILL GET IT. |
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YOU'RE SURE OF THAT? |
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YEAH. |
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ARE YOU SURE? |
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I'M QUITE SURE. |
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WERE YOU SURE A WEEK AGO? DIDN'T YOU EXPECT MORE LIBERATING PHENOMENON? WHERE ARE THE ROSES? |
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SADDAM'S FOLKS ARE KILLING PEOPLE WHO TRY TO COME OUT AND GREET AMERICANS WITH ROSES. THERE ARE HUNDREDS... |
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YOUR CONFIDENCE HERE, YOUR POLICY HERE MAKES MORE SENSE OUT OF IT. WHAT IF YOUR CONFIDENCE OF -- WHAT... |
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THAT MOST HUMAN BEINGS DO NOT LIKE BEING TYRANNIZED, AND SADDAM TO THIS VERY DAY SHOOT THUGS WHO SEEK... |
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THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. AND I SHARE THAT BELIEF. BY ALL ACCOUNTS, THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ, SHIITES, KURDS,... |
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WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD AND PRESSURED THE TURKS VERY HARD TO STAY OUT. AND I THINK- |
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WITH THE $27 MILLION-OEF |
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THAT WAS TO USE TURKEY TO LAUNCH A NORTHERN FRONT. TO MAKE THE WAR GO FASTER. I'M NOT AGAINST -- I'M... |
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NOT THAT WE SHOULD, BUT WE WILL. |
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WE WILL NOT. |
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THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE SO. THE NOTION OF DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ I'M FOR. I'M FOR TOTALLY. AND FOR OTHER... |
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THIS IS A KIND OF ETHNIC AND DETERMINISM -- |
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DETERMINISM? |
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SHIITES DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRO IRAN. BECAUSE HUMAN BEINGS ARE SHIITES DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE... |
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I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY. I'M NOT AGAINST IT. I'M MAKING A PREDICTION OF U.S. POLICY. |
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AND YOUR PREDICTION IS WHAT -- |
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MY PREDICTION IS THAT THE KURDS MONTHS AGO, IN A NO-FLY ZONE, HAD MORE AUTONOMY AND MORE DEMOCRACY... |
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THAT'S NOT TRUE. |
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WHY DID HE KEEP SADDAM IN POWER THEN? WHY DID HE MAKE -- |
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THE NATIONAL CONGRESS IS A MIXED GROUP OF SHIITES, SUNNIS, OTHERS. SECULAR PEOPLE. |
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D ADMINISTRATION IS NOT GOING TO BE RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT -- |
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IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE GOVERNMENT OF IRAQ. I'M SERIOUSLY DISTRESSED THAT YOU HAVE... |
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IT'S FINE WITH ME IF THEY ACTUALLY SEPARATE FROM IRAQ. |
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I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT EITHER. MAYBE WE'VE HAVE A CZECHOSLOVAKIAIAN, HELP THEM... |
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LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT FUTURE DETERMINISM -- LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE REGIME IS SERVED, WHY IT MADE... |
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THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS. THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD WEAKEN SADDAM. |
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VERY MUCH SO. SEE? |
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THEY THOUGHT HE WOULD FALL OVER TIME. THEY THOUGHT HE WOULD BE SO WEAKENED OVER TIME, HE WOULD FALL.... |
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BUT WHY A POPULAR UPRISING? THE ISSUE WAS, DO WE KEEP THEIR HELICOPTERS FROM FLYING AND -- |
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TO USE FORCE. |
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PARDON ME, NOT ON THE GROUND. YOU KEEP HELICOPTERS FROM FLYING IN THE AIR. |
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SO LET'S JUST BE HONEST ABOUT THIS. I FIND IT -- |
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THANK YOU. OKAY. BUT AIR POWER. AIR POWER WE WERE AUTHORIZED FROM EVERY POINT OF VIEW TO USE, WAS... |
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IT COULD HAVE WELL HAVE REQUIRED GROUND FORCES. YOU SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO SAY THIS, IF I MIGHT SAY,... |
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WE HAD AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY COULD NOT USE AIR POWER WITHIN THEIR COUNTRY. PERFECTLY REASONABLE AFTER... |
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NOW YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S SO CONFIDENT THAT'S ALL WE HAD TO SAY. NO RESPONSIBLE ADMINISTRATION COULD... |
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THE OTHER TERM IS TO DO NOTHING AND LET THEM BE SLAUGHTERED. MORE THAN WE LOST IN VIETNAM. |
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I WAS NOT A SUPPORTER OF THAT. |
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WHY DID THEY DO IT? |
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IT WOULD ENCOURAGE FURTHER UPRISINGS. |
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HAD WE GO IN ON THE GROUND EVEN AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD HAVE HAD WITH US SHIITES AND KURDS FIGHTINGOLOGYSIDE,... |
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WE ACTUALLY HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SHIITE EX AISLES COME BACK -- |
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OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY. |
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PEOPLE WHO FLED THE COUNTRY IN 1991 TO COME BACK TO HELP FOR THE LIBERATION OF IRAQ. |
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THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THIS WAR HAVE FAILED ONE LESSON OF INTELLIGENCE HISTORY, WHICH IS NOT TO RELY... |
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ET LET ME INTER RUPT AND TELL OUR AUDIENCE, DANIEL ELLSBERG IS ONE VOICE YOU'RE HEARING AND BILL KRISTOL... |
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HI. I WANT TO START WITH A COMMENT ABOUT OUR FLAG-WAVERS FROM 9-11. WHERE ARE ALL THEY NOW? BACK... |
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ALL RIGHT, CALLER. THANKS. LET ME TAKE A CALL OPPOSED TO THIS WAR AND WE'LL GET YOU BACK IN IT. CALIFORNIA,... |
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I WONDER HOW WE RECONCILE THESE VIEWS OF HOW WE TREAT THE AMERICAN INDIANS. |
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IS THAT ALL YOU WANT TO SAY? |
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THAT'S IN TOTAL. |
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ALL RIGHT. THANKS. GENTLEMEN? MR. KRISTOL? WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE LAST ONE. |
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WELL, I THINK THE AMERICAN INDIANS ARE NOW FULL CITIZENS OF AMERICA. WE HAVE INJUSTICES IN OUR PAST... |
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NOT TO PERSONALIZE THIS TOO MUCH, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOU AS BEING ONE OF THE RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER... |
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THE PEOPLE IN SOUTH VIETNAM PREFERRED THAT TO THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT? |
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NO, AND I DON'T NOW. WHAT I DID COME TO REALIZE WAS THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE AT WAR, AND THESE WERE... |
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THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE RULED BY NORTH VIETNAMESE TYRANNY EITHER. |
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HAVE YOU BEEN TO NORTH VIETNAM? |
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NO. I KNOW A MILLION OF PEOPLE LEFT VIETNAM. THEY LEFT NOT BECAUSE AMERICA WAS TAKING OVER NORTH... |
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IT'S VERY UNWISE, AS I DID, AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO DID THERE WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT MY ROLE... |
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YOU JUST SAID THE MAJORITY OF SOUTH VIETNAMESE FOUGHT AGAINST THE NORTH VIETNAMESE -- |
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NO, NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. YOU ASKED ME WHETHER THEY PREFERRED THE NORTH VIETNAMESE. AND I SAID NO,... |
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THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THOUSAND OF FEDAYEEN WHO ARE THUGS AND MURDERERS. |
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DO YOU KNOW WHO THE FEDAYEENS ARE? |
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YES, THEY'RE HAND-PICKED BY SADDAM. THERE ARE 3,000 OF THEM. THEY'RE MURDERERS. IT'S LIKE SAYING... |
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THAT'S THE DANGER SADDAM MAY BE -- |
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IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. |
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LET'S TAKE A CALL, PARK HILL, OKLAHOMA, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. |
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HELLO, BRIAN, HOW IS IT GOING? |
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WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY? |
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I THINK IT SHOULD BE POINTED OUT THAT THE NEXT REAL VIETNAM IS IN SOUTH AMERICA, NOT IN IRAQ, LIKE... |
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PARDON ME, I JUST SAID THAT SEVERAL TIMES. |
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IT'S MY TIME, AND I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR 20 MINUTES. PLEASE. I WANT YOU TO KNOW, SIR, THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY... |
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THANKS. LET ME ASK BOTH OF YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, WHAT WERE YOUR POSITIONS ON GOING INTO... |
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I SUPPORTED GOING INTO BOTH. AND THOUGHT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION WAS -- BUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION... |
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WHAT WAS YOUR POSITION? |
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I THINK WHERE WE MAY REALLY DISAGREE, IF I RECALL, IS SUPPORTIVE OF SENATOR McCAIN. THE IDEA OF PUTTING... |
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NORTH CAROLINA, YOU'RE ON. GOOD MORNING. |
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YES, GOOD MORNING. I'D LIKE TO SETTLE A COUPLE OF PREM ILGSS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ONE WAR IS KILLING... |
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BILL KRISTOL? |
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I'LL LET DANIEL ELLSBERG TALK ON THE ANTI-PROTESTERS. WAR IS WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY HAVE TO DEFEND... |
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SHE SAID TWO REASONS TO GO TO WAR, ONE, THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING HORRIBLE TO YOU, OR THAT THEY'RE MASSACRING... |
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THERE AREN'T MANY WORSE REGIMES IN THE WORLD. AND MASSACRE IS NOT A BAD WORD FOR WHAT HE'S DONE TO... |
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WELL, THE LISTENER'S REALLY FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS. SHE'S NOT SPEAKING FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF A... |
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PORT ALLEN, LOUISIANA, GO AHEAD. |
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YES, SIR. I JUST HAVE A LITTLE -- A COMMENT, BASICALLY, ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN NEW YORK AND SAN... |
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THANKS. GO BACK TO HIS COMMENT ABOUT THE U.N. MR. ELLSBERG. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH -- |
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YEAH, YOU CAN'T -- WHAT ABOUT RWANDA, THE U.N. TOOK POSSESSION OF RWANDA. SHOULD WE HAVE NOT GONE... |
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PARDON ME. BILL, YOU REALLY SLIDE OVER -- BY THE WAY, I WISH I HAD MY BOOK UP THERE, TOO. IT WASN'T... |
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WE HAVEN'T SHOWN EITHER BOOK. BUT WE WILL SHOW PEOPLE -- |
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I DON'T INSIST YOU PUT IT ON TOP. |
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THAT'S OKAY. |
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THE ELLSBERG BOOK, AND THAT'S THAT'S -- |
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THAT'S MUCH THICKER. |
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THERE YOU GO. THE -- RWANDA IS A VERY GOOD CASE. IN YOUR BOOK, WHICH I WAS LOOKING THROUGH, I NOTICED... |
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I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST WHETHER IT WAS UNDER THE U.N. |
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THE POINT IS, WE COULD HAVE GONE IN ON OUR OWN. THE WORLD LOOKING AT A POWER THAT THINKS THAT IT CAN... |
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GOOD MORNING, PHILADELPHIA. |
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GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS FORUM. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. ELLSBERG. I HOPE... |
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LET'S GO TO ALLEN, KENTUCKY NEXT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. |
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YES, SIR. MY BIGGEST FEAR, AND FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT THE WAR. I SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT. I TRULY... |
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WELL, THANK YOU. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, I WAS DEFERED DURING THE KOREAN WAR FOR A YEAR TO FINISH HARVARD... |
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LET ME TAKE A CALL. THIS WILL BE FOR BILL KRISTOL. WE GO TO RIDGEVILLE, ILLINOIS. YOU'RE ON THE AIR.... |
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YES, SIR. I WAS QUESTIONING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S POLICIES AND NEGOTIATIONS. AND IF WE HAD WAITED... |
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THANKS. |
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WELL, I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE HAD ANY MORE SUPPORT 12 MONTHS LATER, THAN WE HAD... |
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CLEAR WATER, YOU'RE NEXT. |
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BILL KRISTOL, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU TODAY. YOU'RE TALKING TO A GENTLEMAN NEXT TO YOU THAT IS NOT WILLING... |
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CALLER, WHY WERE YOU IN BAGHDAD 29 YEARS AGO? |
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ACTUALLY, IT WAS A CONFIDENTIAL THING WHY I WAS THERE. AND BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU GOT AMMUNITION POINTED... |
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THANK YOU. MR. ELLSBERG? |
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I'M SORRY, I'M LAUGHING, BECAUSE THE POINT OF SHORT ANSWERS IS INDEED A SIN OF MINE TO GO ON TOO LONG.... |
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PAKISTAN? |
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NOTHING LIKE SADDAM. HE DON'T GO AROUND SLAUGHTERING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. |
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WHAT ABOUT NORTH KOREA? |
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NORTH KOREA IS ANOTHER REGIME AS HORRIBLE. |
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DO YOU FAVOR A MILITARY ATTACK? |
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I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN TAKE THE MILITARY OFF THE TABLE. YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM SELLING NUCLEAR MATERIALS... |
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NO, I THINK, BY THE WAY, THAT IS A SERIOUS DANGER. |
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I WOULD TRY TO EFFECT REGIME CHANGE IN NORTH KOREA. |
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AND IF NOT. |
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AND CHIN OH TO OPEN UP THE BORDERS. I THINK OUR POLICY TO CHINA HAS BEEN UNBELIEVELY WEAK. I'VE BEEN... |
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YOU SAY BOMBING IT AND |
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NO. I AM IN FAVOR OF NORTH KOREA. THEREFORE, PROBABLY OF SOME FORM OF EMBARGO OR QUARANTINE WHICH... |
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THERE ARE DISTINCTIONS TO BE MADE HERE. |
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I'M MAKING DISTINCTIONS. PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT WE JUST WANT TO BOMB EVERYPLACE. I WOULD MAKE, THEREFORE,... |
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JUST A SECOND. LET ME TAKE A COUPLE CALLS. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GET THE FOLKS IN HERE. LET'S GO TO... |
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I WOULD LIKE TO ASK BOTH OF THEM ABOUT THE COMMENTS ON THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION OF THE LOCKING OF... |
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WE'LL GET RIGHT BACK TO YOU ON THAT. NEW HAMPSHIRE, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
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FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT THIS WAR ENTIRELY. I ALSO SUPPORT THE ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS. I THINK PRO-WAR... |
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LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. WHY IS IT THAT THERE ARE MORE ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS OUT THAN PRO-WAR,... |
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I REALLY THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE '60s. THE DEMONSTRATING AGAINST WAR IS FUN FOR A LOT OF THEM. ... |
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WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? |
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OKAY. MY QUESTION IS, LET'S GET THE HISTORY OF THE MIDDLE EAST. LET'S TOTALLY FORGET 9-11. US IN... |
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DANIEL ELLSBERG. LET ME ASK YOU FIRST TO DEAL WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL PAPERS QUESTION. |
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HOW COULD I FORGET. |
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YEAH. WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL PAPERS? |
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I THINK THERE'S EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENTS, DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN, WHO HOLD ON TO THEIR... |
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LET ME ASK BILL KRISTOL ON THIS ISSUE, WHAT ABOUT YOUR POSITION ON THE PRESIDENTIAL PAPERS? |
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I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW HOW OLD THESE PAPERS ARE. BUT HAVING SERVED IN THE GOVERNMENT FOR SEVEN YEARS,... |
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I THINK THE REASON HAS TO -- |
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WHAT ARE THE PAPERS UP THAT ARE BEING HELD UP? |
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BOTH THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION AND THE PREVIOUS BUSH ADMINISTRATION. |
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THE ADMINISTRATION KEEPING THEM SECRET NOW, VERY LARGELY SERVED IN THOSE HISTORIC, NOT VERY LONG AGO,... |
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A COMMENT AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A CALL. |
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SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE PAPERS, WE DON'T KNOW. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT, YOU DO WANT PEOPLE... |
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NOT IF IT'S NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD. |
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IF EVERYTHING'S RELEASED 5 OR 10 OR 15 YEARS LATER, THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE STILL IN POWER,... |
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THERE'S A LITTLE TEST TO THAT. WHEN I PUT OUT 7,000 PAGES OF TOP-SECRET INFORMATION, PEOPLE HAVE... |
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THAT'S NOT TRUE. YOUR PAPERS DIDN'T CHANGE POLICY. |
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QUITE THE CONTRARY, THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE HISTORY WHEN I PUT THEM OUT. AND I... |
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I JUST WANT TO RENL STER A STRONG DISSENT ABOUT IT. IT'S FINE IF YOU WANT TO TAKE CHANCES WITH YOUR... |
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BUT THAT -- |
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I'M SORRY. IF THERE ARE CLASSIFIED MATERIALS THAT COULD ENDANGER AMERICAN LIVES IN A WAR WE ARE CURRENTLY... |
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DID YOU HEAR ME SAY THAT? |
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN, THE ESTIMATE OF HOW THE WAR IS GOING TO DO? |
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WHEN CONGRESS ASKED THE PRESIDENT FOR A RANGE OF ESTIMATES OF WHAT THE U.S. CASUALTIES MAY BE, AND... |
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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU HAVE A MEMO FROM SOMEBODY THAT SAYS -- |
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LET ME GIVE YOU -- |
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CONTEMPORANEOUSLY -- WELL, IF WE GO FAST TO BAGHDAD, THE SUPPLY LINES WILL BE WEEK AND GET ATTACKED... |
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I THINK THE CONGRESS DESERVES TO KNOW -- |
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CONGRESS HAS AUTHORIZED THIS WAR. |
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THEY HAVE IN TOTAL IGNORANCE OF ALL -- |
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THEY SHOULD HAVE TESTIFIED. THEY ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE GOVERNMENT. NOT ELECTED CIVIL SERVANTS.... |
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I AGREE WITH YOU. SINCE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE TRUTH FROM THOSE PEOPLE, THEY MIGHT CALL UP THE... |
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THOSE ARE OFFICERS -- THAT'S NOT CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS ABOUT THE WAR PLANS. |
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FORGET ABOUT THE WAR PLANS. I KNOW WHAT A WAR PLAN IS. I'VE WRITTEN THEM AND I'VE READ THEM. AND I... |
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CLASSIFIED. |
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-- CLASSIFIED, I'M TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE -- SHOULD HAVE -- THEY CAN SEE THAT... |
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WE'LL TAKE A CALL. WE'VE GOT TO INTERRUPT. THIS IS A CALL-IN SHOW. I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. GET... |
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YES. I'D LIKE A COMMENT FROM MR. ELLSBERG, AND ALSO BRING IN MR. KRISTOL, ON THE THEORY THAT I'VE... |
| 01:02:02 |
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ALL RIGHT. THANKS. LET'S GO TO CHARLSTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:02:07 |
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I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOUR PEOPLE, DO THEY ENJOY THEIR FREEDOM, AND THE WAY WE GOT OUR FREEDOM IS WE... |
| 01:02:32 |
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HOUSTON, TEXAS, YOU'RE ON. |
| 01:02:35 |
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MY QUESTION IS FOR BILLY KRISTOL. PEOPLE SAY THIS IRAQ AND 9-11 ARE CONNECTED. AND I CAN'T REALLY SEE... |
| 01:03:00 |
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WILLIAMSTON, GEORGIA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:03:02 |
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YES, SIR. I HAVE A COMMENT FOR MR. ELLSBERG, PLEASE. MR. ELLSBERG, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH AN ORGANIZATION... |
| 01:03:52 |
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QUICK ANSWER, BECAUSE I WANT TO TAKE SOME MORE CALLS. |
| 01:03:55 |
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I WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO GO TO APOLOGIZE, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS WHY ANY REASONS FOR THINKING... |
| 01:04:08 |
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YOU WOULD GO TO A HOSTILE AUDIENCE THAT -- |
| 01:04:10 |
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YES, I WOULD RESPECT THEIR SERVICE. AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM. |
| 01:04:16 |
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CONCORD, NEW HAMPSHIRE, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:04:18 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. -- |
| 01:04:20 |
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GO AHEAD, PLEASE. THAT'S TOO BAD. WARSAW, NEW YORK, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:04:25 |
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GOOD MORNING, BRIAN. I JUST WANTED TO -- I USED TO BE A CALLER, BUT I'VE BECOME A LISTENER FOR THE... |
| 01:05:08 |
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ONE MORE CALL AND WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR GUESTS. WE GO TO CONNECTICUT. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. CONNECTICUT,... |
| 01:05:29 |
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THOSE QUESTIONS WERE REALLY FOR DAN ELLSBERG. WE DON'T KNOW, IF ANY, CONNECTION THERE WAS TO 9-11.... |
| 01:07:07 |
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WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTION EARLY ON ABOUT THE THEORY THAT THIS IS THE START IN IRAQ, AND IT WILL CONTINUE... |
| 01:07:14 |
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ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT FROM KRISTOL. I ASKED HIM IN EFFECT EARLIER WHAT'S... |
| 01:07:53 |
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I THINK WE HAVE MADE A MISTAKE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. UNLIKE OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD... |
| 01:09:16 |
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I REALLY HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT SENSE NOW, NOT WHEN I WAS IN THE GOVERNMENT, OF WHAT OUR ROLE HAS BEEN... |
| 01:11:18 |
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WE HAD -- IT'S LUDICROUS. WE DIDN'T CHOOSE HUSSEIN. WE DIDN'T PUT HIM IN POWER. |
| 01:11:23 |
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EXCUSE ME. IN 1963 -- WE DIDN'T PUT HIM IN POWER. IN 1963 WE SUPPLIED SPECIFICALLY SADDAM WITH LISTS,... |
| 01:11:43 |
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IT PERSONALLY SUPPLIED SADDAM -- |
| 01:11:45 |
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PERSONALLY SUPPLIED. IT WASN'T JUST A MARGINAL ERROR. IN 1968, HE WAS OUR THUG TO NOR YAG A AND OTHER... |
| 01:12:01 |
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IT'S WILD, FOR SIMPLIFICATION. THE BAATH PARTY WAS NOT A -- |
| 01:12:05 |
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IT IS BETTER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE IN OUR VIEW. |
| 01:12:07 |
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WHY DID WE -- |
| 01:12:09 |
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WHY DID YOU SUPPORT SADDAM AS RECENTLY AS WHEN YOU WERE IN THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THE ANSWER IS --... |
| 01:12:14 |
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I DIDN'T SUPPORT SADDAM WHEN I WAS IN THE ADMINISTRATION. |
| 01:12:16 |
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PARDON ME. EVEN AFTER THE IRAQ -- FIRST OF ALL -- |
| 01:12:21 |
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I DIDN'T SUPPORT SADDAM IN 1991, OR '92 -- |
| 01:12:24 |
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WHEN WERE YOU IN THE ADMINISTRATION? |
| 01:12:26 |
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'90 TOE '93. |
| 01:12:28 |
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I RAISED THE QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT NOT REASONABLY HAVE DONE WHAT YOU DID TO OPPOSE IT. |
| 01:12:35 |
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THE WAR AGAINST SADDAM -- THERE'S LEFT-WING SUPPORT FOR THAT. MAYBE I MISSED THAT -- TAKING SADDAM... |
| 01:12:44 |
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THE LEFT WAS NOT IN A POSITION TO THREATEN OR SHOOT SADDAM'S HELICOPTERS OUT OF THE AIR WHEN THEY WERE... |
| 01:12:51 |
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I PARTICIPATED IN CRITICISM OF PRESIDENT BUSH -- THE FIRST PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION. LET ME... |
| 01:12:59 |
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FROM KUWAIT. |
| 01:13:00 |
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RIGHT. |
| 01:13:01 |
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NOT FROM POWER. |
| 01:13:03 |
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AGAINST THE OPPOSITION OF THE HUGE DEMOCRATIC PARTY -- AGAINST THE OPPOSITION OF THE HUGE MAJORITY... |
| 01:13:23 |
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I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A FALSE POSITION HERE. AT THAT TIME I AGREED WITH SENATOR NUN IN -- |
| 01:13:30 |
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SO YOU WERE AGAINST GETTING THEM OUT OF KUWAIT? |
| 01:13:32 |
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NO. AT THAT TIME, A NUMBER OF FORMER FOUR-STAR MILITARY PEOPLE, FORMER JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF WHO ... |
| 01:14:12 |
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THE ARGUMENT WAS WE COULD KEEP THEM OUT OF SAUDI ARABIA. |
| 01:14:15 |
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SANCTIONS? NOT AT ALL. |
| 01:14:20 |
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IT WAS TO BE EXPELLED FROM KUWAIT -- |
| 01:14:22 |
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SENATOR NUN WAS A LEFT-WING RAD DAL, FORGOT THE HISTORY OF THAT. |
| 01:14:27 |
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PRESIDENT BUSH WAS RIGHT. |
| 01:14:28 |
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IT WORKED OUT. SENATOR DUN'S CAREER, HE DID OVERESTIMATE THE AMERICAN COSTS OF GOING IN, AS DID MANY... |
| 01:14:53 |
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IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE FOR YOU, TO TRY TO ALLY WITH THOSE LIKE ME AND WOLFOWITZ, TO FINISH THE JOB, AND... |
| 01:15:09 |
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I DIDN'T SAY WE SHOULD HELP THEM. |
| 01:15:12 |
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YOU SAID YOU SHOULD NOT BEGIN DOWN THAT ROAD. |
| 01:15:14 |
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YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME. |
| 01:15:16 |
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YOU CANNOT BEGIN DOWN THAT ROAD UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO SAY THAT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO HELP THE REBELS... |
| 01:15:23 |
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I AGREE. WE'RE NOT DISAGREEING. WHAT I SAID WAS THAT IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD HAVE AGREED PRECISELY... |
| 01:15:34 |
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OKAY. |
| 01:15:35 |
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CALLS. MICHIGAN, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:15:38 |
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YES. IN THIS WORLD THAT IS BECOMING MORE UNCERTAIN BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT MORALITY IS,... |
| 01:16:58 |
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THANKS, CALLER. CONNECTICUT, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:17:03 |
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I'D LIKE TO KNOW, A CRYSTAL BALL, WITH A C, IN THE FUTURE WHEN THIS WAR ENDS, DON'T KNOW HOW LONG... |
| 01:17:39 |
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HURLEY, NEW MEXICO, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. |
| 01:17:42 |
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YES, MR. ELLSBERG, I WAS AGAINST THE WAR TO START, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE IN IT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO... |
| 01:18:01 |
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THANKS. ONE MORE CALL. WEST VIRGINIA, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. |
| 01:18:06 |
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HI. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. ELLSBERG. THE TRUTH IS NEVER POPULAR AMONG THE MASSES. AND HE... |
| 01:18:31 |
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THANKS. MR. KRISTOL, MORALITY, HAS TO DO WITH WHEN WE GET OUR CREDENTIALS BACK. HOW DO WE GET IT?... |
| 01:18:44 |
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I THINK THE MORAL CREDENTIALS OF THIS WAR ARE STRONG. WE'LL SEE IF WE FOLLOW THROUGH. IF WE FOLLOW... |
| 01:21:38 |
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AN ANGUISHING SITUATION TODAY. THERE ARE NO GOOD ALTERNATIVES. NEITHER YOU NOR I OR THE PRESIDENT... |
| 01:25:54 |
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THEY SHOULDN'T REMOVE THEM AFTER A WEEK WHEN WE'VE SUFFERED 25 DEATHS IN COMBAT. |
| 01:25:58 |
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PERHAPS IT'S A LITTLE EARLY. |
| 01:26:00 |
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DO YOU THINK A LITTLE EARLY? DO YOU THINK WOOING THE MILITARY IF WE CHANGED OUR MILITARY EVERY WEEK?... |
| 01:26:06 |
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IT SEEMS TO ME -- |
| 01:26:09 |
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THIS IMANYIZATION OF PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS IS UNWORTHY OF YOU. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,... |
| 01:26:20 |
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DEFINITELY. |
| 01:26:22 |
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DON'T PICK ON A DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY WAS -- SAW AHEAD OF SOME OF THESE... |
| 01:26:29 |
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I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE DEFENDING PAUL WOLFOWITZ HERE. WHO HAS BEEN YOUR COLLEAGUE. I WOULD SAY, IF YOU... |
| 01:27:05 |
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HOLD ON A MINUTE -- |
| 01:27:08 |
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-- BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT. |
| 01:27:12 |
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WHAT'S IT BEEN MISTAKEN -- |
| 01:27:14 |
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BY THE WAY, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ADVICE THEY'VE BEEN GIVING. WE'VE ONLY HAD LEAKS ON THAT. THERE... |
| 01:27:36 |
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HE SHOULD BE SECOND-GUESSING? |
| 01:27:38 |
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NO, GIVE IT ANOTHER WEEK. |
| 01:27:39 |
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THIS IS UNWORTHY -- |
| 01:27:42 |
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GIVE IT ANOTHER WEEK. REMEMBER, I WAS IN -- |
| 01:27:45 |
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YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF THE CIVILIANS IN EXERCISING VIFLIAN CONTROL IN THE MILITARY. YOU WERE PROBABLY... |
| 01:28:03 |
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GOT TO GO TO RICHARDSON, TEXAS. GO AHEAD, RICHARDSON, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:28:08 |
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YES, SIR. I AM SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT -- I'M NOT FOR WAR, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT... |
| 01:28:31 |
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YOU CAN ASK ME QUESTIONS. |
| 01:28:34 |
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WELL, NO, I REALLY -- BECAUSE IF I ASK THAT, MR. KRISTOL THERE, THE OTHER GUY'S GOING TO JUMP IN. ... |
| 01:30:17 |
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THANKS. |
| 01:30:18 |
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LET ME ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE EITHER ONE OF YOU ANSWERED. YOU GRADUATED FROM HARVARD, |
| 01:30:23 |
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'52. |
| 01:30:26 |
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'73. |
| 01:30:29 |
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YOU GOT A PHD THERE IN WHAT? |
| 01:30:30 |
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ECONOMICS. |
| 01:30:31 |
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YOU GOT A PHD? |
| 01:30:32 |
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POLITICAL SCIENCE. |
| 01:30:34 |
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'62. |
| 01:30:38 |
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YOU DID NOT SERVE IN THE |
| 01:30:39 |
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NO. |
| 01:30:40 |
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AND YOU SERVED HOW MANY YEARS IN THE MARINE CORPS? THREE YEARS. IN FOR TWO AND EXTENDED FOR ONE. |
| 01:30:47 |
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DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS ON THIS, GO BACK TO THE PENTAGON PAPERS. YOU GAVE THEM TO THE... |
| 01:30:58 |
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WELL, I WAS INDICTED, AND WAS UNDER INDICTMENT OH FOR TWO YEARS. I WAS IN COURT FOR FOUR AND A HALF... |
| 01:31:36 |
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OVER THE YEARS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE SINCE THEN? WHAT KIND OF WORK HAVE YOU DONE? |
| 01:31:40 |
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OH, FIRST OF ALL, I MADE THE MONEY -- I MADE NO MONEY OUT OF THE PENTAGON PAPERS. I COPIED THEM AT... |
| 01:32:09 |
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YOU WROTE THE BOOK LAST YEAR? |
| 01:32:11 |
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I WROTE THE BOOK 0 YEARS LATER. |
| 01:32:12 |
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IS THAT YOUR FIRST BOOK? |
| 01:32:15 |
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NO, I WROTE A BOOK OF PREVIOUS ESSAYS CALLED PAPERS ON THE WAR IN '72. |
| 01:32:20 |
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CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR, PLEASE. |
| 01:32:23 |
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YES, SIR. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE MR. ELLSBERG. AND I'M GLAD THAT HE'S A VOICE OF TRUTH... |
| 01:33:25 |
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MR. KRISTOL, START WITH HER SUGGEST THAT CNN IS FULL OF PROPAGANDA, AND THAT YOU HAVE TO GO OVERSEAS... |
| 01:33:34 |
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WELL, I THINK LISTENING TO OVERSEAS CHANNEL -- |
| 01:33:37 |
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THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. |
| 01:33:39 |
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I'M UNDER CONTRACT WITH FOX NEWS CHANNEL, SO I HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT BEFORE I ATTACK CNN. BUT THAT'S... |
| 01:34:31 |
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HAVE PEOPLE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE TRUTH BY WATCHING AMERICAN TELEVISION? |
| 01:34:35 |
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IT'S NOT MY IMPRESSION. I WOULD DISAGREE WITH BILL ON THAT QUESTION. I DON'T THINK THERE HAS BEEN... |
| 01:35:18 |
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LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION ABOUT TELEVISION. WHERE WOULD YOU GO IN OTHER COUNTRIES ON OTHER CHANNELS... |
| 01:35:27 |
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YOU GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON CANADIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION, WHICH CAN BE SEEN ON C-SPAN,... |
| 01:36:38 |
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THE WEEKLY STANDARD.COM, WE POST EVERY DAY, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL OF THESE HUNDREDS... |
| 01:36:46 |
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ROCHESTER, NEW YORK, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:36:48 |
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YES, GOOD MORNING. I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT PROTESTERS. WHY IS IT CITIES IN THIS COUNTRY ... |
| 01:37:06 |
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YES, FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES, PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE FOR THEIR GRIEVANCES.... |
| 01:37:16 |
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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THERE ARE THESE PARKS IN CITY LIMITS THAT PEOPLE CAN PROTEST. PROTESTERS CHOOSE... |
| 01:37:40 |
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I'VE HEARD ANECDOTAL HYPOTHETICAL ACCOUNTS FOR THAT FOR YEARS. I DON'T DOUBT IT COULD HAPPEN. |
| 01:37:47 |
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IT HAPPENED IN SAN FRANCISCO. |
| 01:37:48 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE NAME AND NUMBER -- |
| 01:37:50 |
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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THERE IS A PARK RIGHT OUT THIS WINDOW HERE. PEOPLE CAN PROTEST ALL THEY WANT.... |
| 01:37:56 |
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I WAS IN LAFAYETTE PARK. WE WERE ARRESTED FOR PRAYING IN LAFAYETTE PARK. WHEND I SAY PRAYING, NEARLY... |
| 01:39:01 |
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MOBILE, ALABAMA. HELLO, MOBILE. |
| 01:39:03 |
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YES, MR. KRISTOL. BEAR WITH ME. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. I... |
| 01:39:43 |
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MR. KRISTOL. |
| 01:39:45 |
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I WOULD K SHOCKED IF WE DON'T FIND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN RATIONALES... |
| 01:40:48 |
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TEXAS, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. |
| 01:40:50 |
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YES, UNLIKE MR. KRISTOL, I WAS OLD ENOUGH WHEN MR. DANIEL ELLSBERG WAS EXPOSED FOR EXPOSING PENTAGON... |
| 01:41:25 |
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CALLER -- |
| 01:41:27 |
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AND ONE OTHER THING -- |
| 01:41:30 |
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LET MEF ASK YOU A QUESTION, PLEASE. |
| 01:41:32 |
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I AM IN SUPPORT OF PRESIDENT BUSH AND ALSO THIS -- |
| 01:41:35 |
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WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY. |
| 01:41:40 |
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WELL, WHAT I PUT OUT WAS NOT PROPAGANDA. IT WAS CLASSIFIED TOP-SECRET. IT HAD DOCUMENTED -- THESE... |
| 01:42:49 |
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LET ME ASK, BILL KRISTOL, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHAT DAN ELLSBERG DID BACK THEN? |
| 01:42:58 |
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I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT MUCH ABOUT IT. IN GENERAL, I THINK -- ONE SHOULD NOT... |
| 01:44:46 |
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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE IDEA OF BREAKING INTO HIS PSYCHIATRIST'S OFFICE FOR HIS RECORDS? |
| 01:44:51 |
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ON VUSLY -- OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WRONG. |
| 01:44:53 |
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OUR CALLER SUGGESTED THAT WAS A GOOD DEAL. I MEAN, THAT -- BECAUSE HE WAS ON JANE FONDA'S SIDE, THAT... |
| 01:44:58 |
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I DON'T THINK IT WAS LEGAL. AND I THINK IT WAS WRONG. |
| 01:45:03 |
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INTERESTINGLY IT'S BECOME LEGAL. UNDER THE PATRIOT ACT NOW THAT WOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL NOT INFORMING... |
| 01:45:13 |
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IF THEY HAD REASON TO BELIEVE YOU WERE A TERRORIST. |
| 01:45:17 |
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NO, ONLY IF THEY HAD REASON TO BELIEVE NOT THAT I WAS A TERRORIST, IT'S NOT QUITE THAT EXCLUSIVE.... |
| 01:45:25 |
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NO, NO, THAT IS NOT THE LANGUAGE. THERE IS A LOT OF MONITORING -- |
| 01:45:30 |
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I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK NIXON TODAY -- |
| 01:45:32 |
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IT'S SIMPLY NOT THE CASE, WHAT YOU JUST SAID. IT WOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO BREAK INTO |
| 01:45:40 |
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-- I HOPE THIS IS NOT -- |
| 01:45:42 |
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DO YOU THINK A LOT OF PSYCHIATRISTS OFFICES ARE BEING BROKEN INTO BY THE FEDERAL |
| 01:45:46 |
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YES. |
| 01:45:47 |
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THAT'S RIDICULOUS. |
| 01:45:49 |
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YES. I THINK THE PRESIDENT -- I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THE ACT -- GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. YOU SAID BUGGED.... |
| 01:46:07 |
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BUT IF YOUR EVE INVOLVED IN TERRORISM. |
| 01:46:09 |
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WHO DECIDES THAT? ASHCROFT? |
| 01:46:11 |
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NO, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. |
| 01:46:13 |
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THAT'S ASHCROFT. |
| 01:46:14 |
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THAT'S NOT ASHCROFT. THAT'S RIDICULOUS, YOU'VE BEEN IN GOVERNMENT. HE HAS NO -- YOU THINK THERE SHOULD... |
| 01:46:24 |
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NO, LISTEN, LET ME GO TO A VERY -- THE WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING THEN WAS ILLEGAL, AND THEREFORE, HE... |
| 01:46:43 |
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LET'S GO TO THE INDICTMENT OF MR. ONSBE IN FLORIDA. YOU THINK IT IS WRONG THAT WIRETAPS TO FIND THIS... |
| 01:46:54 |
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SHOULD THE NSA TURNED LOOSE, OR THE CIA, NOW ENCOURAGED AS TOM HOUSTON WANTED TO DO UNDER NIXON, TO... |
| 01:49:01 |
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LET ME -- |
| 01:49:03 |
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MR. KRISTOL, WE -- |
| 01:49:06 |
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I JUST WANT TO REGISTER MR. ELLSBERG'S TRU STATEMENT OF RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. THESE PEOPLE WHO ALLEGEDLY... |
| 01:49:15 |
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I DIDN'T SAY THAT. |
| 01:49:17 |
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I KNOW. BUT ON THE WAR ON TERROR, IT WAS A MAJOR ASSAULT, A MAJOR TALKING POINT OF THOSE CRITICAL... |
| 01:49:32 |
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IN THE FIRST -- |
| 01:49:34 |
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WELL, NO, I'VE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AT TIMES WORRIED THEY'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH... |
| 01:50:09 |
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DO YOU REDUCE THE -- |
| 01:50:12 |
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YES, OSAMA BIN LADEN'S RECRUITING VIDEOS, THAT AMERICA IS THE WEAK HORSE. IF AMERICA LOOKS WEEK, THERE... |
| 01:50:20 |
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THAT'S OSAMA BIN LADEN. |
| 01:50:21 |
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RIGHT. |
| 01:50:22 |
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THAT'S NOT SADDAM. |
| 01:50:24 |
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COME IN, MINNESOTA. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:50:27 |
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YES. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. ELLSBERG FOR HIS PO TROTIC SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND... |
| 01:52:22 |
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THANKS, CALLER. LET ME -- WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE ENTIRE -- WE HAVE... |
| 01:52:42 |
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THAT'S NOT TRUE. I THINK THE OIL WILL BE USED FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE. IF YOU HAD A POLICY THAT -- IF... |
| 01:53:03 |
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DO YOU HAVE ANY REACTION TO HER CALL? |
| 01:53:04 |
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I THINK THAT THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT OIL FOR PROFITS FOR INDIVIDUALS HERE. AND I BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE... |
| 01:53:35 |
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LET'S GO TO KENTUCKY. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. |
| 01:53:38 |
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YES, MY COMMENTS ARE, FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT, AND OUR TROOPS TOTALLY. MY COMMENT,... |
| 01:53:53 |
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-- NO -- |
| 01:53:54 |
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YES, YOU DID. |
| 01:53:56 |
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IT WAS POINTED OUT BY OUR HOST HERE. |
| 01:53:58 |
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BUT ANYWAY, YOU ARE ALSO PROUD OF YOUR MARINE YEARS. |
| 01:54:01 |
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THAT'S TRUE. |
| 01:54:02 |
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DID YOU ACTUALLY FIGHT IN ANY OF THE TRENCHES. DID YOU ACTUALLY SHOOT ANYONE? |
| 01:54:08 |
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AS A MATTER OF FACT -- IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. |
| 01:54:12 |
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GO AHEAD. |
| 01:54:13 |
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GOOD QUESTION. I WAS IN THE PEACE TIME MARINES. '54 TO '57. I EXTENDED FOR A YEAR WHEN IT LOOKED... |
| 01:55:04 |
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LAST CALL FOR OUR TWO GUESTS. WE GO TO FLORIDA. HELLO. |
| 01:55:09 |
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HI. I'M CALLING FROM MARGATE. I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THE STATIONS RECENTLY ABOUT THE WEEK AND A... |
| 01:55:39 |
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KRISTOL, A POSSIBILITY OF IMPEACHMENT? |
| 01:55:40 |
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I DON'T THINK SO. |
| 01:55:41 |
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MR. ELLSBERG? |
| 01:55:43 |
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PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, NO. BUT EVENTUALLY, THERE DOES COME A TIME, AND I HOPE IT'S NOT AFTER MONTHS... |
| 01:56:08 |
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WE JUST HAVE A MINUTE LEFT. ON THE ISSUE OF RICHARD PERLE AND RESIGNING AS THE CHAIRMAN -- NOT OF... |
| 01:56:19 |
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I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT, FRANKLY. ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I'VE READ IN THE PRESS. IF HE HAD A CONFLICT... |
| 01:56:37 |
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HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO GIVE THE MONEY TO THE FAMILIES OF IRAQ THAT LOST FAMILY MEMBERS IN THIS WAR.... |
| 01:56:47 |
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I'M MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BAD ADVICE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT HE'S BEEN GIVING UP TO NOW.... |
| 01:57:59 |
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FINAL KMEPT FROM BILL KRISTOL. |
| 01:58:02 |
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WE HAVE A FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT VIEW OF HOW THE WORLD WORKS, THE MIDDLE EAST WORKS. AND I THINK... |
| 01:58:28 |
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I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT. I PRAY THAT YOU ARE RIGHT. |
| 01:58:31 |
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I THANK YOU. I BELIEVE YOU WHEN YOU SAY THAT. |
| 01:58:35 |
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THANKS TO DANIEL ELLSBERG AND WILLIAM KRISTOL FOR JOINING US FOR THE LAST TWO HOURS. |
| 01:58:39 |
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AND LATER ON IN THE DAY, AT 5:30 THIS AFTERNOON, EAST COAST |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
