The Informant: A True Story: Part 2

Nov 14, 2000

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Kurt Eichenwald continued to talk about his book The Informant: A True Story, published by Broadway Books. The book is about a six-year FBI investigation of an international price-fixing conspiracy by Archer Daniels Midland that focuses on the key informant, Mark Whitacre. Mr. Eichenwald talked about the complications to this mid-1990s .. Read More
Kurt Eichenwald continued to talk about his book The Informant: A True Story, published by Broadway Books. The book is about a six-year FBI investigation of an international price-fixing conspiracy by Archer Daniels Midland that focuses on the key informant, Mark Whitacre. Mr. Eichenwald talked about the complications to this mid-1990s scandal when the government discovered that its source, a senior executive at the firm, was involved in his own illegal activity. This is the second part in a two-part program.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:02:40 Unidentified Speaker AND THE END PRODUCT OF ALL THIS. WHAT HAPPENED AT THENED? WHO WENT TO JAIL? HOW MUCH MONEY WAS INVOLVED...
00:02:47 Unidentified Speaker ULTIMATELY, EVERYBODY GOES TO JAIL. SO AS COMPLEX AS THE STORY IS, THIS IS AN F.B.I. SUCCESS STORY....
00:04:09 Unidentified Speaker YOU WERE FROM DALLAS, BEEN WITH "THE NEW YORK TIMES" 16 YEARS. WHAT IS YOUR BEAT AT THE "NEW YORK...
00:04:16 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE THE GREATEST JOB IN JOURNALISM. MY BEAT IS VERY UNDEFINED. I'M AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER AND...
00:05:01 Unidentified Speaker HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO WRITE THE BOOK?
00:05:05 Unidentified Speaker I STARTED IT IN -- WELL, I BEGAN WORKING ON THE TOPIC ITSELF WHEN I WAS AT "THE TIMES" IN 1995. I...
00:07:17 Unidentified Speaker YOU OPEN YOUR PROLONG JUNE 27, 1995, JUST TO GET A SENSE OF THE WAY YOU WRITE IN THE BEGINNING. "THE...
00:07:46 Unidentified Speaker WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC EVENT, THE WAY THE BOOK WAS DONE WAS -- THE FIRST THING YOU DO...
00:08:14 Unidentified Speaker WHERE DO YOU GET IT?
00:08:15 Unidentified Speaker ANYWHERE YOU CAN.
00:08:17 Unidentified Speaker WHERE IS MOST OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GOT FOR THE BOOK? IS THERE ONE -- IS IT HIT THE F.B.I. BUILDING...
00:08:25 Unidentified Speaker THERE IS NO ONE PLACE.
00:08:27 Unidentified Speaker WAS ANYBODY TRYING TO DO THIS AT THE SAME TIME YOU STPWHR
00:08:29 Unidentified Speaker THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON THAT WAS WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT THE CASE. HE WAS FOCUSING MUCH MORE ON ...
00:08:49 Unidentified Speaker MARK WHITACRE CAME FROM WHERE?
00:08:52 Unidentified Speaker MARK WHITACRE WAS RAISED IN OHIO. HE WENT TO -- GOT HIS DOCTORATE AT CORNELL, A DOCTORATE IN NUTRITION,...
00:09:30 Unidentified Speaker HOW OLD IS HE IN THIS TIME PERIOD?
00:09:33 Unidentified Speaker 20'S, EARLY 30'S. ULTIMATELY, HE IS MEETING WITH A.D.M. TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL WITH DEGUSA. THEY'RE...
00:10:00 Unidentified Speaker HE IS AROUND 30, 32 AT THAT POINT.
00:10:01 Unidentified Speaker HOW BIG A PART OF THE COMPANY IS IT?
00:10:05 Unidentified Speaker ULTIMATELY, IT'S GOING TO BE IN AND OF ITSELFNO CARRIERRINGCONNECT 1200
00:10:32 Unidentified Speaker BUSINESSMEN LIKE THAT HAVE A VALUE ADDED BUSINESS WHERE YOU BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE. AND THEY...
00:10:53 Unidentified Speaker TODAY HOW OLD IS HE?
00:10:54 Unidentified Speaker HE IS 44MENT
00:10:56 Unidentified Speaker AND I KNOW YOU VISIT HIM AT THE PRISON. WHAT PRISON IS HE IN?
00:11:01 Unidentified Speaker EDGE FIELD CORRECTIONAL FACILITY IN EDGE FIELD, SOUTH CAROLINA.
00:11:05 Unidentified Speaker WHAT'S HE LIKE DOWN THERE?
00:11:06 Unidentified Speaker IT IS INTERESTING. I'VE SEEN WHITACRE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. AND VIRTUALLY EVERY YEAR I WOULD...
00:11:46 Unidentified Speaker HOW MANY TIMES DID HE TRY TO COMMIT SUICIDE?
00:11:50 Unidentified Speaker TWICE, BOTH AFTER THESE EVENTS STARTED TO UNFOLD.
00:11:53 Unidentified Speaker WHY DIDN'T HE SUCCEED?
00:11:55 Unidentified Speaker WELL, ONE TIME HE DIDN'T SUCCEED BECAUSE HE WAS FOUND BY A GARDENER, A FELLOW THAT WORKED FOR HIM....
00:12:02 Unidentified Speaker RUSTY WILLIAMS?
00:12:04 Unidentified Speaker RUSTY WILLIAMS IT. WAS GUY WHO HAD WORKED AT THE WHITT KERR ESTATE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND HAD...
00:19:32 Unidentified Speaker WHEN WAS TO THE MOST COMPLICATED WHEN IT CAME TO THE WIRES ON MR. WHITT HIT AND THE TAPING, VIDEOTAPING...
00:19:40 Unidentified Speaker THE VIDEOTAPING WAS ALWAYS THE MOST DIFFICULT. MOST DAYS, WHITACRE WOULD GO INTO THE OFFICE AND WOE...
00:21:34 Unidentified Speaker WHO IS MEETING IN THESE ROOMS?
00:21:37 Unidentified Speaker IN THAT MEETING THAT, IS THE ONE IN IRVINE, CALIFORNIA. THE TWO EXECUTIVES ON THE LEFT ARE FROM --...
00:22:07 Unidentified Speaker WHO IS NOW IN JAIL?
00:22:09 Unidentified Speaker WHO IS NOW IN JAIL. AND TO THE IMMEDIATE RIGHT IS MARK WHITACRE. I THINK CAN YOU SEE HIS BRIEFCASE...
00:22:22 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT THAT. RECORDER IS TAPING. HE HAS A RECORDER ON HIS BODY THAT IS TAPING. THE VIDEO IS TAPING....
00:23:40 Unidentified Speaker YES THAT. WAS A BIG PROBLEM.
00:23:42 Unidentified Speaker DID THEY VIDEOTAPE ANY MEETINGS OVERSEAS?
00:23:45 Unidentified Speaker THEY DID NOT, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THE AUTHORITY. THE F.B.I. CANNOT GO TO TOKYO AND TURN ON A...
00:24:15 Unidentified Speaker BECAUSE THEY WERE PROTECTING THE COMPANY?
00:24:18 Unidentified Speaker THERE WAS NEVER ANY EXPLANATION GIVEN WHY. THEY MAY HAVE GROWN UNCOMFORTABLE. BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID...
00:24:44 Unidentified Speaker ALL ALONG, WHAT IS MARK WHITACRE TRYING TO DO AND WHO IS GIVING HIM INSTRUCTIONS?
00:24:49 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THE FIRST QUESTION IS HARDER THAN THE SECOND. WHITACRE IS TRYING TO DO A LOT OF THINGS. IN THE...
00:27:02 Unidentified Speaker MICK ANDREAS, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMPANY AND SENT TO JAIL FOR THREE YEARS OR WHATEVER, HE WOULDN'T...
00:33:58 Unidentified Speaker DOES HE HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT?
00:33:59 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T THINK SO.
00:34:01 Unidentified Speaker WHERE DOES HIS WIFE LIVE?
00:34:02 Unidentified Speaker SHE LIVES IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
00:34:05 Unidentified Speaker HOW DO THEY AFFORD TO LIVE?
00:34:06 Unidentified Speaker SHE WENT BACK TO SCHOOL AND GOT HER TEACHING DEGREE.
00:34:09 Unidentified Speaker HOW MANY KIDS DO THEY HAVE?
00:34:11 Unidentified Speaker THEY HAVE THREE CHILDREN. ONLY ONE OF WHOM IS STILL SCHOOL AGED.
00:34:15 Unidentified Speaker AND SHE IS STICKING WITH HIM
00:34:16 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
00:34:18 Unidentified Speaker WAS HE SANE WHEN YOU SAW HIM?
00:34:20 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S THE INTERESTING THING. HE WAS MORE -- HE CONTINUED TELLING HIS STORIES. I PRESENTED HIM WITH...
00:36:11 Unidentified Speaker HE EVEN LIED ON HIS RESUME ABOUT HAVING A MASTER'S DEGREE?
00:36:15 Unidentified Speaker THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT OUT FROM A.D.M. TO A UNIVERSITY WHEN WHITACRE WAS TPWHAMED TO THE BOARD...
00:36:41 Unidentified Speaker THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE STORIES IN THERE, AS YOU WELL KNOW.
00:36:45 Unidentified Speaker YES.
00:36:49 Unidentified Speaker I REMEMBER THOSE SCHEMES. NEVER HAD IT PITCHED TO ME, BECAUSE EVERYBODY GOT THAT IN THE MAIL. HOW...
00:37:00 Unidentified Speaker WELL, NIGERIA, TO DO THE PROLOGUE FIRST, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF IT WASN'T FOR NIGERIAN CONMEN SITTING...
00:40:25 Unidentified Speaker WHAT IS LEMAT? WHAT IS THAT?
00:40:30 Unidentified Speaker LAMET VOV.
00:40:37 Unidentified Speaker WHEN THIS STORY BEGAN, SHORTLY AFTERWARTS, SHORTLY AFTER THE RAIDS, FAXES BEGAN TO ARRIVE AT THE HOME...
00:47:50 Unidentified Speaker OUR AUDIENCE HAS BROUGHT UP ON OCCASION THE BUILDERBURG GROUP COMES UP IN THIS. DAVID ROCKER FELLER...
00:48:06 Unidentified Speaker THE BUILDERBERG GROUP, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE FOCUS OF MORE CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAN I WOULD WANT TO...
00:48:39 Unidentified Speaker WHO IS CRAVAS?
00:48:42 Unidentified Speaker THE CHAIRMAN OF A LEVERAGE BUYOUT COMPANY. THEY BECAME FAMOUS -- THEY WERE THE RUNS THAT BOUGHT R.J.R....
00:48:54 Unidentified Speaker AND ROSS JOHNSON IS ON THE BOARD OF ARCHER DANIELS MIDLAND.
00:48:58 Unidentified Speaker AND ROSS JOHNSON WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF R.J.R. NABISCO. A LOT OF THE CHARACTERS REAPPEAR HERE. BUT AT...
00:49:44 Unidentified Speaker AS YOU KNOW, WE'LL NEVER GET IT ALL IN AND WE'VE ALMOST TALKED FOR TWO HOURS. WHAT IS THE REACTION...
00:49:58 Unidentified Speaker UM, A NUMBER OF REACTIONS. IN DECATUR, I WENT OUT THERE AND THERE WAS A WONDERFUL DISCUSSION I HAD...
00:51:48 Unidentified Speaker THERE'S A LOT OF DESCRIPTION IN THE BOOK ABOUT SO AND SO IS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD LOOKING OUT THE...
00:52:00 Unidentified Speaker I NEVER DID PUFFY WHITE CLOUDS.
00:52:03 Unidentified Speaker CLOSE TO THAT, AS YOU KNOW. HERE'S A FOOTNOTE I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OF CHAPTER FOUR....
00:52:32 Unidentified Speaker I HAD A RESEARCHER WHO KNOWS THOSE PEOPLE VERY WELL AND WOULD I GIVE HIM THE DATES AND TIMES.
00:52:37 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S HOW YOU EMBELLISHED ON -- EXCUSE THAT WORD --
00:52:41 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S NOT A GOOD WORD.
00:52:42 Unidentified Speaker I KNOW.
00:52:46 Unidentified Speaker TALK ABOUT THAT ONE SCENE -- WHEN I DID FOR THAT ONE SCENE IS -- IT STARTED OFF WITH, I FORGET THE...
00:53:01 Unidentified Speaker FD504B.
00:53:02 Unidentified Speaker YES. THAT SET THE TIME OF WHEN THIS TOOK PLACE. FROM OTHER REPORTING, I KNEW THAT WITHIN A SHORT...
00:54:05 Unidentified Speaker HOW MUCH HELP DID YOU HAVE?
00:54:08 Unidentified Speaker I HAD -- I HAD THREE RESEARCHERS THAT WORKED FOR ME ONE AT A TIME. THE DEAL I MAKE WITH MY RESEARCHERS...
00:54:31 Unidentified Speaker WHY NO INDEX?
00:54:35 Unidentified Speaker YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A VERY DEBATED THING. AND ULTIMATELY THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT THIS BOOK WAS WRIT...
00:55:42 Unidentified Speaker IS THERE A MOVIE HERE? HAVE YOU SOLD THE WRITES? -- RIGHTS?
00:55:46 Unidentified Speaker WE'RE ABOUT TO SIGN A CONTRACT THIS WEEK.
00:55:49 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW SOON THEY WOULD MAKE A MOVIE? IN I SOLD MY LAST BOOK FOR A MOVIE AND...
00:55:57 Unidentified Speaker WHAT WAS THAT?
00:56:01 Unidentified Speaker "IT WAS ABOUT SERPENTED ON THE ROCK." IT WAS ABOUT THE LARGEST INVESTMENT SCANDAL IN HISTORY.
00:56:07 Unidentified Speaker WHERE DO YOU WRITE THIS STUFF?
00:56:08 Unidentified Speaker YEAH.
00:56:10 Unidentified Speaker BOTH BOOKS WERE IN DIFFERENT PLACES. THE FIRST ONE I WROTE IN MY VERY TINY OFF THE LIVING ROOM OFFICE....
00:56:34 Unidentified Speaker WHAT DO YOU WRITE IT ON?
00:56:36 Unidentified Speaker ON A P.C. WELL, AND IT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS I DO. I TALKED EARLIER...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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