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WHERE WERE YOU BASED? |
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I WAS BASED IN NEW YORK. I WAS BASED IN NEW YORK. AND IT WAS WHEN I GOT BACK I PICKED UP THE STORY.... |
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WHAT YEAR WAS THIS? IS |
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1995, AUGUST OF 1995. AND I ULTIMATELY MET WITH MARK WHITAKER, WHO IS THE INFORMAPT OF THE BOOK TITLE.... |
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WHERE IS MARK WHITAKER NOW? |
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HE'S IN A FEDERAL PRISON CAMP IN SOUTH CAROLINA. |
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WHEN DID HE GO INTO PRISON? |
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HE WENT INTO PRISON IN 1998. HE IS EXPECTED TO COME OUT IN, OR AT LEAST UNDER HIS SENTENCE, HE WILL... |
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WHO'S DUANE ANDREAS? |
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HE'S A GIANT ON THE POLITICAL AND INTERNATIONAL LANDSCAPE. HE IS A FELLOW WHO MOST AMERICANS PROBABLY... |
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THERE'S AN ALLUSION IN YOUR BOOK TO BOB DOLE AND BOB STRAUSE AND DUANE ANDREAS AND DAVID BRINKLEY,... |
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THE SEAVIEW HOTEL, WHICH IS OWNED BY DUANE ANDREAS. HE GAINED CONTROL OF IT MANY YEARS AGO AND BECAME... |
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AND DAVID BRINKLEY DOES THOSE ADDS FOR A.D.M. THAT ARE SEEN ON THE MORNING SHOWS ON SUNDAY MORNING.... |
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WELL, A.D.M. IF ANYBODY IS HEARD OF THEM OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON IT'S WATCHING THE PROGRAMS MOST VIEWED... |
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WHERE'S ANDREAS NOW? |
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HE RETIRED AND HE'S HE WAS REELECTED TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. PLAYS A ROLE IN THE OPERATIONS OF... |
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HOW OLD IS HE? |
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HE'S IN HIS 80'S. HE IS A MAN WHO IS WINDING DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. |
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MICK ANDREAS? |
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THE SON. MICK ANDREAS WAS BORN TO POWER. HIS GODFATHER WAS HUBERT HUMPHREY, ALSO A VERY GOOD FRIEND... |
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YOU SAY THERE'S A BIG STATUE OF RONALD REAGAN AT THE PLANT OUTSIDE OF DECAY TOUR. HOW DID THAT GET... |
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REAGAN GAME TO VISIT DECATUR IN 1984. AND DUANE ANDREAS THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A POND WOPPEDERFUL IDEA... |
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YOU MENTIONED SEAVIEW FLORIDA AND DECATUR, BUT THERE'S ALSO MENTION OF A MANHATTAN APARTMENT. |
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YES. I MEAN, DUANE IS NOT -- YOU KNOW, HE LIVES IN DECATUR, ILLINOIS, BUT HE'S NOT A HICK. I MEAN,... |
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HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN WITH A.D.M.? |
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HE JOINED A.D.M. -- HE WAS BROUGHT INTO A.D.M. IN THE LATE 1960'S WHEN THE COMPANY WAS REALLY STARTING... |
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WHAT DOES A.D.M. DO? 4 |
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A.D.M. IS A COMPANY THAT ALL OW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN BEEN |
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FOR 16 YEARS. |
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WHAT GOT YOU INTERESTED IN WRITING? |
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IT'S INTERESTING. WHAT GOT ME INTERESTED IN WRITING WAS -- IT WILL SOUND CLICHE, -- WRITING FOR THE... |
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BOB STRAUSS, HOW DIZZ HE RELATE TO THE A.D.M. CORPORATION? |
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WELL, BOB STRAUSS, STARTING IN ABOUT THE LATE 1960'S, WHEN HE AND ANDREAS WENT TO THE SAME FUNDRAISER... |
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TERRY WILSON AND MICK ANDREAS ARE IN PRISON WHERE? |
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THEY'RE BOTH IN MINIMUM SECURITY PRISONS, WHICH FOR THE LIFE OF ME I'VE FORGOTTEN THE NAME OF. BUT... |
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I REMEMBER READING A STORY ABOUT WHEN THEY WERE RESENTENCED BY A JUDGE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET ENOUGH... |
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I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW I ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I HAVE CERTAINLY MET THEM IN THE CONTEXT OF THE... |
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WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE CARE SNOOFL |
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WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT BEING AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER IS YOU MAKE A LOT OF PROMISES. PROMISES... |
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YOU SAY IN HERE THAT YOU HAD 100 INTERVIEWS AND 800 HOURS OF INTERVIEWS. MICK ANDREAS WAS GOING TO... |
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ON HIS PERSONAL LIFE? |
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THE FACT THAT HE'S IN PRISON. WHAT WAS HIS REACTION TO GETTING CAUGHT AND GETTING INDICTED AND GETTING... |
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WELL, IT WAS INTERESTING. GETTING CAUGHT FOR -- ONCE YOU VIEW THE TAPE, ONCE YOU SEE WHAT MICK DID,... |
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HOW MUCH MONEY IS HE LEFT WITH? |
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QUITE A BIT. TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. |
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HOW ABOUT TERRY WILSON? |
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TERRY WILSON -- TERRY WILSON ULTIMATELY IS THE MAN WHO WENT DOWN IN FLAME FOR THE ANDREAS FAMILY. ... |
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ANY IDEA THAT DUANE KNEW WHAT HIS SON WAS DOING? |
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THE GOVERNMENT CHOSE NOT TO BRING CHARGES, AND THERE CERTAINLY WAS NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT... |
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HOWARD BUFFET THROUGHOUT YOUR OWN BOOK SOUNDS UNHAPPY. IS HE STILL THERE? |
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HOWARD BUFFET RESIGNED, BASICALLY WITHIN DAYS OF THE SECOND F.B.I. INTERVIEW. HE WAS UNCOMFORTABLE... |
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HOW BIG IS A DEAL IS THIS? I MEAN, PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE NOT PAID ANY ATTENTION... |
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$100 MILLION. BUT YOU HAVE TO BEAR IN MIND, THAT IS A DEAL. IT WAS A DEAL BECAUSE A.D.M. OFFERED... |
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A COUPLE OF OTHER SMALL THINGS -- NOT SMALL THINGS FOR THE PEOPLE, BUT JUST TO CONNECT THE DOTS HERE.... |
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SHE WAS THE HEAD OF THE ANTITRUST DIVISION THROUGHOUT MOST OF THESE EVENTS. SHE WAS THE PERSON WHO... |
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YOU ALSO TALK LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALAN ANDREAS. AND WHO IS HE? WHAT ROLE DID HE PLAY? |
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ALAN ANDREAS, TO ME PLAYS A FASCINATING ROLE. I'M SOMEONE WHO LOVES IRONY AND CIRCLES. AND AT THE... |
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WAIT A MINUTE. DUANE ANDREAS IS THE CHAIRMAN. |
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DUANE IS THE CHAIRMAN. |
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THE OLDER OF ALL THE ANDREASES, HIS SON MICK IS THE VICE CHAIRMAN. AND ALAN IS WHAT RELATIONSHIP? |
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ALAN IS DUANE'S NEPHEW, MICK'S COUSIN? |
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THROUGH DUANE ANDREAS' SISTER OR BROTHER? |
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I ACTUALLY DON'T REMEMBER. I THINK IT'S A BROTHER. |
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OK. |
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AND ALAN HAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAKES HIM BENEFICIAL. HE HAS SOME PARTICULARLY CLOSE CONTACTS WITH... |
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MADE IT UP? |
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YEAH. THE PUNCH LINE IS THAT THE WHOLE STORY OF THE JAPANESE EXECUTIVE IS FICTION. |
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HE DIDN'T EXIST? THERE WAS A FRAUD. I'M SORRY, THERE'S ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD. NOTHING WAS EVER CHARGED.... |
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BUT YOU POINT OUT THAT RIGHT BEFORE THE RAID, WHEN THE F.B.I. WAS GOING TO RAID THE COMPANY, AND I... |
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IT'S A LOT WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT HERE, BUT RIGHT BEFORE THE RAID, DUANE ANDREAS IS ABOUT TO BE NAMED... |
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IT'S ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS -- THERE WERE TIMES IN THIS STORY -- YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO CONVEY AT THE... |
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AT "THE NEW YORK TIMES" "THE NEW YORK TIMES." HOW BIZARRE THE STORY WAS. BUT ULTIMATELY, NEWSPAPERS... |
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AND THE CHAIRMAN OF CHEVRON WAS ABOUT TO BE CHAIRMAN OF THE ACADEMY? |
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I THINK HE ACTUALLY DID. ICE AN ORGANIZATION THAT HE WAS AFFILIATED WITH. I THINK HE ACTUALLY WAS... |
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SHOULD COMPANYS BE THAT CLOSE TO THE F.B.I.? HAVE THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP? |
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WELL, IN TRUTH, LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN'T BE A GAME WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY SET THEMSELVES UP IN A SHELL... |
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PAGE 135 OF A 600-PAGE BOOK THAT SELLS FOR $26, THE MEN CHANGE SUBJECTS. DISCUSSING REQUESTS FROM... |
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YES. |
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HE WAS JUST TITLE AN ASSISTANT TO -- |
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HIS TITLE DID NOT REFLECT HIS ROLE. |
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DID HAVE IT ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS FATHER WARREN? |
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THE FACT THAT HE WAS ON THE BOARD? |
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THAT HE WAS THERE AS THE ASSISTANT? |
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THAT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN SAID TO ME. |
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ANYWAY, SON OF WARREN BUFFET, THE FAMED OMAHA INVESTOR, HOWARD OFTEN HEARD FROM POLITICIANS. THIS... |
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OH, THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE ISSUE IS CENTRAL TO UNDERSTANDING A.D.M. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT... |
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BURGLAR. |
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RIGHT. AND THEY ULTIMATELY -- WHAT ISN'T AS WELL KNOWN WHO WROTE THE CHECK, AND THE CHECK ITSELF ... |
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ANDREAS SHRUGGED, YOU CAN GO OVER THE LIMIT, JUST A SMALL FINE. THIS IS A QUOTE FROM HERE. PUT THAT... |
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WELL, TWO THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THIS. NUMBER ONE, THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS. THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE'S RECOLLECTIONS.... |
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IT WAS. |
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THAT THEY HAD ALREADY GIVEN TO THEIR LIMIT, YOU KNOW, TO TOMMY THOMPSON. THEY COULDN'T GIVE HIM ANY... |
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BUT AGAIN GOING BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED IN ALL THIS, ALL THESE CONNECTIONS. THEY HAVE AIRPLANES.... |
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I DON'T KNOW OF A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY DISMED IT DOESN'T MEAN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW... |
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AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO ETHANOL AND BOB DOLE. WHAT DID YOU FIND THERE? AND HOW MUCH FEDERAL MONEY... |
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OH, BILLIONS. I MEAN, A.D.M., EVERY TIME THEY TALK ABOUT RECIPIENTS OF CORPORATE WELFARE, A.D.M. IS... |
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AS YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE SPENT BY -- ARE SPENT BY A.D.M. TO TELEVISION STATIONS TO FUND... |
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NOT IN THE BOOK. THERE WERE CERTAINLY INSTANCES WHERE -- I'M GOING TO BE VERY OWE BLEAK HERE, -- OBSERVE... |
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WHY WERE THEY DISCOMFORTED? |
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BECAUSE THEY HAD RELATIONSHIPS, OR, OR CLOSE TIES ON SOME LEVELS WITH A.D.M. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
