| 00:00:00 | IN THE NEW COUNTRY THAT IS EMERGING FROM THE REVOLUTION THIS SPRING. |
| 00:00:06 | EARLY SIGNS ARE DISCOURAGING. |
| 00:00:08 | THAT HAS BEEN AN ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST COPPS WHICH HAS INCLUDED THE KILLING OF DOZENS OF CONFLICT INDIVIDUALS CAUGHT FIRE BOMB CHURCHES AND THE DESTRUCTION OF A AT LEAST THREE CHARGES. |
| 00:00:21 | OF COURSE COPTIC CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN MARGINALIZED AND FEES' TERSE DISCRIMINATION, PERSECUTION, AND EVEN VIOLENT ATTACKS BOTH BY THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT AND BY MUSLIM EXTREMISTS IN EGYPT WHERE THEY CONSTITUTE ROUGHLY 8% OF THE POPULATION OF ABOUT 82 MILLION PEOPLE. |
| 00:00:39 | THE PLIGHT HAS BEEN WELL-DOCUMENTED PUTTING BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM REPORTS AND THE COUNTRY REPORTS ON HUMAN RIGHTS PRACTICES. |
| 00:00:47 | AND BY REPORTS OF THE U. |
| 00:00:49 | S. COMMISSION ON INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. |
| 00:00:52 | THE MOST RECENT INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM REPORT SAYS THAT THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT RESPECT FOR FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT IS, QUOTE, POOR. |
| 00:01:01 | GIVEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF EGYPT, WE HAVE TO BE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT REPORT WILL SAY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT HAS TRULY OR IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND. |
| 00:01:11 | THE OTHER FOCUS OF THIS HEARING WILL BE THE WIDESPREAD INCREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS THAT THE EGYPTIAN WOMEN AND GIRLS ARE SUBJECTED TO A REDUCTION, FORCED CONVERSION TO ISLAM, AND FORCED MARRIAGE TO MUSLIMS. |
| 00:01:28 | THE APPEARED TO BE TARGETED WITH DECEPTIVE AND ABUSIVE PRACTICES WHICH OFTEN INCLUDE VIOLENCE AND IT SEPARATES THEM FOREVER AGAINST THEIR WILL FROM THEIR FAMILIES. |
| 00:01:38 | WE HAVE HEARD VERY DISTURBING REPORTS AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS HEARING IS TO BEGIN THE OPEN UP AND FIND OUT WHAT IS TRULY GOING ON WITH REGARDS TO THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION. |
| 00:01:50 | I WOULD NOTE PARENTHETICALLY THAT LINE THE PRIME SPONSOR AND AUTHOR OF THE TRAFFICKING PROTECTION ACT OF 2000, AND ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THAT LEGISLATION IS TO BRING LIGHT AND POLICY INCLUDING SANCTIONS AGAINST COUNTRIES THAT ENGAGE EITHER INTERNALLY OR ACROSS THE BOUNDARIES ANY KIND OF MODIFICATION OF THE WOMEN ESPECIALLY THE SELLING OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEXUAL TRAFFICKING SITUATIONS, MODERN-DAY SLAVERY AS WE CALL IT. |
| 00:02:20 | I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT OVER THE YEARS, MANY OF US ON THE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE AND THOSE NOT ON IT THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS WOULD ROUTINELY RAISE THE ISSUE OF THE COPTIC CHRISTIANS AND THEIR PERSECUTION ESPECIALLY WITH PRESIDENT MUBARAK. |
| 00:02:33 | TIME AND AGAIN, WE HAVE LISTS I WOULD GIVE HIM LISZT'S IN CAIRO AND WASHINGTON WHEN HE WOULD VISIT AND ASK THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN HURT OR ARRESTED FALSELY AND UNDER FALSE CHARGES WOULD BE SHOWN RELIEF. |
| 00:02:48 | AND WHILE IT IS BAD ON MUBARAK, THE CONCERN NOW, THE BIG OPEN QUESTION IS IS IT EVIL THING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION AND ACTUALLY WORSENING? |
| 00:02:58 | I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT IN MY OPINION AND THE OPINION OF MANY OF US WHO FOLLOW THE HUMAN RIGHTS CLOSELY HAS FAILED TO INITIATE INTO THE CASES OF THE FIREBOMBINGS AND OF THE ABDUCTED WOMEN AND MANY OF THESE ISSUES AS WELL AS KILLING THE INDIVIDUALS. |
| 00:03:18 | AND THAT DOES HAVE THE PERHAPS INTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF CREATING THE CLIMATE OF IMPUNITY OR THE PERPETRATORS. |
| 00:03:25 | IF THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR THIS TERRIBLE ABUSE AND VIOLENCE, IT ONLY ENCOURAGES MORE VIOLENCE. |
| 00:03:32 | I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THE OUTSET THAT THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST HEARING ON THE PERSECUTION OF THE COPS OR RATHER THE SECOND. |
| 00:03:40 | THERE WAS ONE IN JANUARY. |
| 00:03:41 | MY GOOD FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE MR. |
| 00:03:43 | WOLF, WHO DID IT UNDER THE AUSPICES OF TOM LANTOS, HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE. |
| 00:03:51 | WE WILL HOLD HEARINGS ON COPPS AND OTHER MINORITY RELIGIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. |
| 00:03:58 | BUT OF COURSE THE REVOLUTION AGAINST MUBARAK HAS CREATED A NEW SITUATION WHICH CALLS FOR A NEW HEARING. |
| 00:04:04 | THINGS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY ON THE GROUND. |
| 00:04:07 | AND I'D LIKE TO BRING A SPECIAL FOCUS TO THE ISSUE OF THE ABDUCTION OF THE COPTIC WOMEN AND GIRLS. |
| 00:04:13 | WE NEED TO AND WE WILL HAVE FOLLOW-UP HEARINGS LATER THIS YEAR UNTIL THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT GETS THE MESSAGE. |
| 00:04:21 | THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT CALLS FOR ACTION. |
| 00:04:25 | IN APRIL OF 2010, I WROTE TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT TOGETHER WITH 15 OTHER MEMBERS URGING FURTHER INVESTIGATION REPORTING ON THE EXPLOITATION OF COPTIC WOMEN. |
| 00:04:35 | THIS SPRING FRANK WOLF INTRODUCED LEGISLATION THAT WOULD CREATE A SPECIAL ENVOY OF REMOTE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND SOUTH CENTRAL ASIA. |
| 00:04:45 | THE BILL IS LIKELY TO BE ON THE FLOOR THIS COMING MONDAY. |
| 00:04:49 | HOPEFULLY IT WILL PASS. |
| 00:04:51 | HOPEFULLY THE SENATE WILL TAKE IT UP EASILY AND GET DOWN TO THE PRESIDENT TO HAVE A POINT PERSON REACHING OUT AND WORKING WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PRESIDENT TO WORK ON THE WORSENING PLACE OF THE CHRISTIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. |
| 00:05:05 | EGYPT IS A MAJOR RECIPIENT AS WE KNOW OF THE FOREIGN AID, IT IS A MEDITERRANEAN PARTNER FOR COOPERATION OF THE ORGANIZATION FOR THE COOPERATION IN EUROPE. |
| 00:05:13 | I DO HOPE IT'S GOVERNMENT IS PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TODAY AND THAT IT CHOOSES THE PATH OF REFORM AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. |
| 00:05:23 | IF IT DOESN'T WE SHOULD RESTRUCTURE THE AID TO PROMOTE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM MUCH MORE VIGOROUSLY AND CAREFULLY CONSIDERED DESIGNATING EGYPT AS A COUNTRY OF PARTICULAR CONCERN UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM ACT OF 1998. |
| 00:05:36 | I WOULD NOTE PARENTHETICALLY THAT THE U. |
| 00:05:38 | S. COMMISSION FOR THE FREEDOM HAS ALREADY MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION. |
| 00:05:42 | SO THERE IS A -- THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY, AND IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW. |
| 00:05:49 | FINALLY YESTERDAY WE MARKED UP THE REAUTHORIZATION OF THE FORMULATION OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND SOME FOREIGN AID IN THE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE. |
| 00:05:58 | I OFFERED AN AMENDMENT WHICH WILL GIVE OUT AND BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD HERE TODAY THAT BRINGS ATTENTION TO ALL OF THESE ISSUES CONCERNING COPTIC CHRISTIANS. |
| 00:06:12 | FROM THE FIRE BOMBING TO THE DESECRATION OF CHURCHES AND OF COURSE THE DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES INTO THIS UNDER FOCUSED UPON ISSUE OF YOUNG COPTIC GIRLS BEING ABDUCTED AND FORCED TO ISLAM AND BEEN GIVEN OVER HIS BRIDE. |
| 00:06:27 | IT'S A VERY DISTURBING AND I THINK AN OUTRAGEOUS SITUATION, AND WE NEED TO DO MORE AND THIS HEARING MARKS A TICKET POINT AT LEAST FOR A THINK WHAT THE CONGRESS WILL DO. |
| 00:06:38 | I WOULD NOTE PARENTHETICALLY THAT THE BOAT IS UNANIMOUS BY REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEE, AND THOSE WHO SPOKE IN FAVOR OF ITS INCLUDING HOWARD BERMAN, THE RANKING MEMBER, AND THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE COMMITTEE AND OTHER MEMBERS ALL RUN AT THE SAME PAGE THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK OUT ROBUSTLY AS DOES THE ADMINISTRATION ON BEHALF COPTIC CHRISTIANS. |
| 00:06:59 | I WOULD NOW LIKE TO WELCOME THE DISTINGUISHED WITNESSES TO THIS HEARING TODAY. |
| 00:07:04 | FIRST WITH THE ATTORNEY AND VICE PRESIDENT OF COPTIC SOLIDARITY, A CRITIC INDICATED TO OPPOSING THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF EGYPTIAN COPPS AND SHE HAS SPOKEN WIDELY ON ISSUES AFFECTING MINORITIES IN EGYPT. |
| 00:07:16 | HER FULL RESUME WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD. |
| 00:07:19 | IT'S VERY, VERY MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS TO OUR OTHERS TODAY, AND THEN WE WILL HEAR THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH OFFICE OF THE E EGYPTIAN UNION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS. |
| 00:07:32 | AND REPRESENTS SEVERAL COPTIC ORGANIZATIONS IN FRANCE. |
| 00:07:35 | HE HAS BEEN ENGAGED IN PROMOTING THE RIGHTS IN FRANCE AND IN EUROPE AND THEN THIRD WE WILL HEAR FROM MICHELLE CLARK WHO WAS AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR AT THE SCHOOL OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AT GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY AND CO-AUTHOR OF THE 2009 REPORT, THE DISAPPEARANCE FORCED CONVERSIONS AND FORCED MARRIAGES OF COPTIC CHRISTIAN WOMEN IN EGYPT HE IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A NEW INVESTIGATION OF A DEDUCTION, FORCED CONVERSION AND PERG AND IS KNOWN TO THE COMMISSION FOR HER EXTRAORDINARILY FINE WORK TO COMBAT HUMAN TRAFFICKING. |
| 00:08:09 | I WOULD NOW LIKE TO TURN TO CAROLINA AND ASK ALL OF OUR WITNESSES TO COME TO THE WITNESS TABLE. |
| 00:08:37 | [APPLAUSE] >> [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] |
| 00:08:38 | >> THANK YOU. |
| 00:08:39 | MR. CHAIRMAN, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS IMPORTANT HEARING AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY AND FOCUS ON THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE CHRISTIAN MINORITY IN EGYPT. |
| 00:08:49 | PARTICULARLY AS MANY OF THESE APPEAR TO BE IGNORED IN THE CURRENT POLICY CONSIDERATIONS. |
| 00:09:33 | .. ESPECIALLY IF EGYPTIAN PEOPLE STOOD SIDE-BY-SIDE INTERRATER SQUARE, CALLING FOR MUBARAK TO LEAVE. |
| 00:09:37 | A POST-MUBARAK EGYPT WOULD PROVIDE MORE PIECE OR MINORITIES. |
| 00:09:41 | TRAGICALLY, THAT IS NOT OCCURRED. |
| 00:09:44 | INSTEAD, THERE IS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF AN INCREASE IN PATTERN THAT IS. |
| 00:09:51 | BY COMMISSION AND OMISSION THAT GOVERNMENT'S ANCIENT PERSECUTION SADLY, WE HAVE SEEN MANY TIMES ATTACKS AGAINST CHRISTIANS IN THE LAST YEAR MY POST-MUBARAK REGIME. |
| 00:10:06 | THERE HAS BEEN CLEAR EVIDENCE OF A PATTERN IN PART TO US. |
| 00:10:11 | WE CONSERVATIVE MILITARY. |
| 00:10:12 | THERE HAVE BEEN TWO VERY WELL DOCUMENTED ATTACKS WITH THE MILITARY OPEN ATTACK MONASTERY. |
| 00:10:18 | THOSE ATTACKS CAN ACTUALLY BE VIEWED ONLINE. |
| 00:10:24 | MILITARY OPENED FIRE ON ARMED MONKS. |
| 00:10:25 | IF YOU GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT THE IDEA OF WHICH WE PROVIDED EXPLORER, YOU CAN EAT THEM RUNNING FOR COVER AS THE MILITARY IS OPENING FIRE WITH HEAVY MACHINERY ON THE MONKS. |
| 00:10:41 | ALSO, WE SEE PERSECUTION THAT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, SPECIFICALLY THE GOVERNOR AND VIGNETTE. |
| 00:10:45 | IN FEBRUARY DEMOLISHED 10 HOMES BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE REFUSE TO CONTRIBUTE THE PROPERTY TO BUILD A MOSQUE. |
| 00:10:54 | THE SAME GOVERNOR ATTEMPTED TO DEMOLISH A SERVICE IS HOME THE HANDICAPPED. |
| 00:11:00 | LUCKILY, KOSTIC PROTESTERS WERE ABLE TO BLOCK HIM FROM DOING SO. |
| 00:11:08 | VERY DISTURBING, SAID CHURCHES HAVE BEEN ATTACKED SINCE MUBARAK IS DOWN. |
| 00:11:14 | AND WAS VERY SCARY ABOUT THIS ATTACK SINCE THEY OCCURRED IN THE HOPE HOPE IN THAT WHILE THE MILITARY STANDS BY AND WATCHES. |
| 00:11:23 | WE HAVE ALSO ATTACHED THE YOUTUBE LINKS WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY WATCH IT TAXCO LINE WITH MILITARY IN THE BACKGROUND. |
| 00:11:29 | THAT'S VERY DISTURBING, WENT TO IN THESE ATTACKS IS THAT CROWDS IN UNISON CHANTING GOD IS GREAT. |
| 00:11:39 | AS THE ATTACKS GO ON, WATCH THEM FOR YOURSELF AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN HORROR AS THE ATTACKS ON THE ACTUALLY A CHANCE GOD IS GREAT. |
| 00:11:52 | NOW IT'S ALSO VERY SCARY AND SAD AS SOME OF THE FOOTAGE OF THOSE ATTACKS IS SO CLEAR THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN IN THE ATTACKS AND IDENTIFY THEM. |
| 00:12:03 | ONE OF THE YOUTUBE LINKS TAKES IT FRAME BY FRAME AND PUT CIRCLES AROUND THE ATTACKERS. |
| 00:12:10 | WE SPRINTED OUT THE NAME AND ADDRESS OF ONE OF THOSE ATTACKERS IN WHO HE IS RELATED TO THE GOVERNMENT. |
| 00:12:16 | HAS HE BEEN ARRESTED? |
| 00:12:18 | NO, HE HASN'T. |
| 00:12:20 | WE HAVE ANOTHER PRINTOUT OF ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL WHO AS IT WAS BURNING CLEARLY SET OUT SELASSIE. |
| 00:12:25 | WE ARE NOT MEN IF WE DO NOT EARN ALL THE CHURCHES AND BY THAT COMMENT A CRYSTAL-CLEAR PICTURE THIS MAN. |
| 00:12:33 | HAS HE BEEN ARRESTED? |
| 00:12:34 | NO HE HASN'T. |
| 00:12:37 | THE CHURCH WE MOST RECENTLY ATTACKED IN MAY, MAY 14 TO BE SPECIFIC IN CAIRO. |
| 00:12:46 | I CAN'T SAY THERE WERE THREE CONVICTIONS IN EACH OF THE THREE RECEIVED A FIVE-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE. |
| 00:12:54 | TWO FOR POSSESSION OF A PISTOL AND ONE FOR POSSESSION OF A POCKET KNIFE. |
| 00:12:58 | HERE'S A DISTURBING THING. |
| 00:12:59 | THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS WERE A CHRISTIAN. |
| 00:13:03 | WITHIN TWO WEEKS, THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE ARRESTED IN THE DAY AND HANDED VERY HARSH SENTENCES OF FIVE YEARS AS THEY WERE CHRISTIANS AND POSSESSED WEAPONS AND DEFENDED THEIR CHURCHES. |
| 00:13:18 | HOW IS THAT IN COMPARISON TO THE SITUATION THAT'S A WHOLE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM AND NO MOST PERPETRATORS WERE ARRESTED ALL. |
| 00:13:28 | INSTEAD, CHRISTIANS DEFENDING CHURCHES ARE THE ONES ARRESTED. |
| 00:13:34 | WHAT IS NOT? |
| 00:13:36 | THE MESSAGE DAYS YOU CAN ATTACK. |
| 00:13:37 | YOU CAN THREATEN. |
| 00:13:39 | YOU CAN WATCH THE ATTACK. |
| 00:13:42 | YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN IT. |
| 00:13:43 | YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUTUBE. |
| 00:13:46 | YOU CAN ADVERTISE IT, BUT SHE CAN'T DEFEND AGAINST IT BECAUSE IF YOU DO, THE GOVERNMENTAL MAKE SURE THAT THEY HARSHLY AND SWIFTLY RESPOND TO ANYONE WHO DARES DEFEND AGAINST AN ATTACK. |
| 00:14:00 | WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO THIS MINORITY? |
| 00:14:03 | SIT BACK AND TAKE IT. |
| 00:14:04 | AND IF YOU THINK YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, WE'LL SHOW YOU. |
| 00:14:13 | THE TORTURE AND THE IMPUNITY OF THE FORMER STATE SECURITY OFFICIALS, SOME HAVE BEEN SENT HOME SOME HAVE JUST BEEN SIMPLY RELOCATED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE GOVERNMENT. |
| 00:14:24 | NO ONE HAS EVER HELP THESE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY INTEND TO EGYPTIAN CITIZENS. |
| 00:14:30 | THERE IS A CLEAR RECORD IN STATE DEPARTMENT REPORTS SPELL IT OUT TORTURE,, BURNING FOR PEOPLE TO CONVERT FROM ISLAM TO CHRISTIANITY. |
| 00:14:39 | HAVE ANY BEEN BROUGHT TO JUSTICE CLICKS ABSOLUTELY NOT. |
| 00:14:41 | THEY HAVE NOT. |
| 00:14:43 | AS A PERSON WHO DEALS WITH PEOPLE AT FIRST IMMIGRATE TO THE UNITED STATES, I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE SEEN SKIES TO PEOPLE WHO WERE TORTURED AND STATE SECURITY. |
| 00:14:51 | MOST RECENTLY, A WOMAN SHOWED ME SKIES, BURN MARKS ON HER ARM AND INTERFACE. |
| 00:14:59 | THEY BURN HER WITH CIGARS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO KNOW INCONSISTENT TO KNOW WHO WAS THE PRIEST WHO BAPTIZED YOU WITH WHAT CHURCH DO THEY BAPTIZE YOU IN? |
| 00:15:09 | SHE WOULDN'T GIVE HIS NAME SAID THE TORTURE WENT ON FOR THREE DAYS. |
| 00:15:11 | SHE KNOWS THE NAMES OF HER ABUSERS BECAUSE HE MADE SURE HE INTRODUCED HIMSELF BEFORE THEY STARTED THE TORTURE. |
| 00:15:20 | ANOTHER MAN WHO DESCRIBED HIS TORTURE IN STATE SECURITY, A CONVERT FROM ISLAM TO CHRISTIANITY AND GIVES ME THE LOCATION OF WHERE HE WAS TORTURED IN THE PERSON WHO TORTURED HIM BECAUSE HE ALSO INTRODUCED HIMSELF. |
| 00:15:35 | DESCRIBE HOW THEY REMOVED HIS CLOTHING, TIGHTENED DOWN IN THE NEW CHAIR BETWEEN HIS LEGS AND HEAD WEARS AROUND HIS INTO HIS TOES AND THEN TURNED ON THE LECTURES THE. |
| 00:15:47 | THESE PEOPLE, WE KNOW THEIR NAMES, BUT IF ANYTHING BROUGHT TO JUSTICE CLICKS NO. |
| 00:15:52 | THEY'VE JUST BEEN PLACED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE GOVERNMENT. |
| 00:15:53 | THE SAME PEOPLE WILL PACK IS THE SAME TORTURE IN THE SAME TACTICS BECAUSE NO ONE IS EVER SENT ANYTHING TO THEM. |
| 00:16:02 | THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE. |
| 00:16:04 | THERE'S A CLEAR RECORD OF A PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF THE ABUSE IN A PATTERN AND USE OF IMPUNITY. |
| 00:16:10 | PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND WHAT DO WE GET? |
| 00:16:15 | ANOTHER ISSUE, WHICH MY COLLEAGUES WILL EXPAND MORE ON LATER AS THE FOURTH COMPRESSION AND KIDNAPPINGS OF COPTIC GIRLS. |
| 00:16:26 | PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMING TO THE UNITED STATES IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, I'VE HEARD ACCOUNTS OF WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY MET THROUGH DURING THE TIME THEY WERE THREATENING, THEY BETTER BE NO ONE IN THE STREET WITHOUT AVAIL. |
| 00:16:37 | IT WAS ACTUALLY PARTICULAR TO DAY IN THE MONTH OF MARCH. |
| 00:16:43 | FOR SELASSIE'S NATURE THEY VERY WELL ADVERTISED AS A WOMAN WENT INTO THE STREET WITHOUT THE VEIL, SHE WOULD BE PUNISHED. |
| 00:16:51 | IF ONE WOMAN AND HER HUSBAND WENT ON TO TELL ME ABOUT THEIR CHILD IS IN THE ROOM, EAT YOUR SOUL, THAT HER SON, BEGGED AND CRIED THAT DAY. |
| 00:16:58 | MOM, DON'T LEAVE. |
| 00:17:02 | YOU MIGHT DIE. |
| 00:17:04 | SHE WANTED TO GO WISH HER MOTHER A HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY. |
| 00:17:07 | MOTHER'S DAY IS IN THE MONTH OF MARCH IN EGYPT. |
| 00:17:11 | AND HER SON CRIED AND BATES. |
| 00:17:12 | YOU MAKE IT KILLED. |
| 00:17:17 | ANOTHER STORY I HEARD FROM ANOTHER CLIENT, HE ACTUALLY DISPLAY FOR THE TAIL. |
| 00:17:22 | HE WAS SCARED FOR HER. |
| 00:17:23 | HE SAID JUST PUT IT ON, WE DON'T WANT ANY TROUBLE. |
| 00:17:27 | THEY PUT IT ON BUT DESPITE THAT THEY WERE STILL ACTUALLY ATTACKED AND WHILE THE ATTACK WAS GOING ON, THE WIFE, FEARING FOR HER LIFE RAN, TRIPPED IN TWO DAYS LATER SUFFERED A MISCARRIAGE. |
| 00:17:39 | SHE WAS 18 WEEKS PREGNANT AT THE TIME. |
| 00:17:45 | THE VEIL IS THE MICHIO THAT IS DEEPLY DISTURBING AND BRINGS TO MIND THE ACTIONS OF THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN IN THEIR ATTACKS AGAINST NON-VEILED WOMEN. |
| 00:18:04 | WE MAKE THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT, U. |
| 00:18:10 | S. GOVERNMENT AND INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. |
| 00:18:11 | WE SUPPORT THEM STRONGLY URGE THE PASSAGE OF H. |
| 00:18:14 | R. 440 AND IF 1245, WHICH PROVIDES FOR THE ENVOY FOR MINORITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. |
| 00:18:23 | WE ALSO STRONGLY URGE THE ADMINISTRATION TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO THAT POSITION WHO IS HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND UNFIT STATURE NEEDED TO ENSURE THE ISSUES RELATED TO MINORITIES ARE INCLUDED IN THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE U. |
| 00:18:38 | S. GOVERNMENT, PARTICULARLY DURING HISTORIC TRANSITION IN EGYPT. |
| 00:18:42 | WE ALSO CALL FOR THE PROSECUTION OF THE PERPETRATOR OF THESE KINDS. |
| 00:18:48 | UNTIL THESE PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE, EGYPT WILL NEVER SEE JUSTICE FOR UNITY. |
| 00:18:54 | THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND THE MESSAGE THAT YOU CANNOT BURN A CHURCH IN PUBLIC ANOTHER PARTY AFTERWARDS IS NOT ACCEPT THE VOTE. |
| 00:19:04 | THAT MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE SENT TO THE PEOPLE AT EGYPT AND TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. |
| 00:19:12 | ALSO COME AWAY A U. |
| 00:19:13 | S. GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT AND INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO PRESS INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE ITS COMMITMENT TO HUMAN RIGHTS NORMS ARE AT PALETTE IN THIS CONDITIONAL SECTIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION AND ARE NOT UNDERMINED BY ANY SUBSEQUENT ARTICLES OR PASSAGES. |
| 00:19:28 | LASTLY, WE ASK THAT WHILE WE WELCOME THE EFFORT TO EGYPT IN ITS CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATION, WE BELIEVE THE UNCONDITIONAL FINANCIAL AID WOULD BE A STRATEGIC ERROR. |
| 00:19:44 | IT SHOULD BE LINKED TO HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD IN TERMS OF CONSTITUTIONAL STIPULATION, LOVE AND PRACTICES OVER THE SHORT AND MEDIUM-TERM. |
| 00:19:55 | WE URGE THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS AND OTHERS IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY PREVENTING FINANCIAL ATP JET TO COMBAT AID TO THE APPLEMAN AND PROTECT FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS NORMS NOW AND IN ANY NEW CONSTITUTION. |
| 00:20:10 | MR. |
| 00:20:11 | CHAIRMAN, A GOOD THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THESE CONCERNS TODAY. |
| 00:20:16 | THE PEOPLE AT EGYPT, PARTICULARLY MINORITIES ON FOR A SOCIETY IN WHICH THEY ARE FREE TO PEACEFULLY PROCESS THEIR FAITH AND LIVE THEIR LIFE WITHOUT FEAR. |
| 00:20:28 | MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS AND OTHER MINORITIES ALL DESERVE A STABLE, PEACEFUL AND FREE SOCIETY. |
| 00:20:34 | IT IS NOT THIS RATE IN EGYPT'S HISTORY THAT REAL CHANGE IS POSSIBLE, BUT IF YOUR CHANGE WILL NOT HAPPEN UNLESS THERE IS AN EXPONENTIAL INCREASE IN PRESSURE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE EACH AT. |
| 00:20:47 | THANK YOU. |
| 00:20:51 | >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
| 00:20:55 | [APPLAUSE] YOU'RE PASSIONATE AND VERY DECISIVE TESTIMONY. |
| 00:20:59 | FOR MANY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, THIS WILL BE AN EYE-OPENING HEARING AND I DO BELIEVE BECAUSE C-SPAN IS HERE, FOR MANY AMERICANS, THEY WILL BE LEARNING FOR THE FIRST TIME JUST HOW DISCRIMINATORY AND HOW VIOLENT THE PLACE HAS BEEN FOR COPTIC CHRISTIANS AND ESPECIALLY THE VEIL BEING LIFTED OFF THE ABDUCTION OF YOUNG GIRLS AND WOMEN TO BE SOLD INTO WHAT IS IT THAT A DOUBT MODERN-DAY SLAVERY. |
| 00:21:32 | THEY ARE FORCED INTO MARRIAGES, STOLEN FROM FAMILIES THAT WE WILL HEAR NEXT TO WITNESS THIS WILL BRING, I DO BELIEVE, EVEN MORE LIGHT ON THAT. |
| 00:21:42 | BEFORE GOING TO THEM, I BEG TO YIELD TO COMMISSIONER COLLINS FOR ANY THOUGHTS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THEN COMMISSIONER JOE PITTS. |
| 00:21:51 | >> VERY BRIEFLY, THANK YOU, MR. |
| 00:21:53 | CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR WITNESSES AND ALL THE PEOPLE HERE CAN AND ABOUT THESE ISSUES. |
| 00:22:00 | I AM A NEWEST MEMBER TO THIS COMMISSION. |
| 00:22:03 | CHAIRMAN SMITH HAS A LONG HISTORY AND IS GREATLY APPRECIATED FOR THE WORK HE PUTS IN US. |
| 00:22:11 | THIS IS NOT BY THE COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS TO THE CONGRESS WHERE YOU GET IT OUT OF CONTRIBUTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND TAX SUPPORT AND ALL THOSE THINGS. |
| 00:22:20 | THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DO BECAUSE YOU CARE ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS. |
| 00:22:24 | SO I APPRECIATE THE CHAIRMAN AND OTHER MEMBERS HERE IN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE HERE. |
| 00:22:31 | IT'S STUNNING, YOUR TESTIMONY THAT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CUPCAKES. |
| 00:22:34 | I WAS IN CAIRO A MONTH AGO AND READ ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT EXISTED IN THE CHIP. |
| 00:22:40 | I ALSO HAD RED WHEN OUR AMERICAN NEWSCASTER FEMALE WAS BRIEFED AT THE SCREAMS WERE NOT NECESSARY GOD IS GREAT, BUT THAT SUGGESTIONS THAT SHE WAS ISRAELI DOES REALLY GOOD. |
| 00:22:54 | THE SITUATION IS NOT GOOD. |
| 00:22:58 | I HAD AN E-MAIL TODAY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW VALID IT IS AND I'M SENDING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR OPPORTUNITIES TO SET IT, THAT IT SUGGESTED THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN ANTI-SEMITIC ACTIONS IN FRANCE AND THAT THERE'S BEEN MANY ACTIONS AGAINST SYNAGOGUES AND JEWISH PLACES OF ASSEMBLAGE AND JEWISH PEOPLE IN FRANCE. |
| 00:23:23 | IT IS JUST DISTRACTING THAT THERE IS SO MUCH THAT RELIGION IS CAUSING ANGER AND SEPARATION IN A OTHER THAN BLOG THAT IS SUPPOSED TO ENCOURAGE A SAW TO EXCHANGE AND TO VALUE. |
| 00:23:37 | SO THROUGH THIS COMMISSION I HOPE WE CAN DO SOME GOOD FOR SHEDDING LIGHT ON PROBLEMS AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME OF THE CLERGY PEOPLE TO SPREAD A LITTLE BUZZ RATHER THAN THE LITTLE HE. |
| 00:23:53 | >> COMMISSIONER HAD. |
| 00:23:55 | >> THANK YOU, MR. |
| 00:23:56 | CHAIRMAN. |
| 00:23:57 | FOR THE OPENING STATEMENT, THE REPUBLIC OF EGYPT AND SO IS SHE MEDITERRANEAN COOPERATION HAS UNDERGONE MAJOR MANIC REVOLUTION ROOTED IN THE INEVITABLE NEED FOR FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY THAT MANY OIC MEMBERS FACED TWO DECADES AGO DURING THE FALL OF THE SOVIET UNION. |
| 00:24:14 | AS WE CONTINUE TO HOLD HEARINGS AT THIS COMMISSION, WE SEE MANY OF THOSE STATES STILL STRUGGLING TO UPHOLD DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS FOR ALL US PEOPLE. |
| 00:24:26 | HOWEVER, DISCRIMINATION AGAINST EGYPT COPTIC NATION. |
| 00:24:31 | INDEED THE COPTIC COMMUNITY WHICH HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE DEMOCRATIC UPRISING THAT LED TO THE END OF HOSNI MUBARAK VP ROLE. |
| 00:24:38 | BUT ATTACKS AGAINST COPS ARE ONGOING AND THE HUMIDITY PRESIDENT MUBARAK HAS NOT ENDED UNDER IS STILL RESERVED THE LACK OF INCREDIBLE INVESTIGATIONS INTO INTO THE ATTACKS, MANY HAVE CONCLUDED THAT THE CURRENT EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT MAY OFFER A CLIMATE FOR COPTIC CHRISTIANS THAT IS WORSE THAN THE ONE FACILITATED BY FORMER PRESIDENT MUBARAK. |
| 00:25:02 | IT IS MY FEAR THAT WE ARE SEEING EGYPT TRADE ONE FORM OF OPPRESSION FOR ANOTHER. |
| 00:25:10 | NOT OF TREATING A DICTATORSHIP FOR MOB RULE OR TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY. |
| 00:25:13 | THE GOVERNMENT MUST UNDERSTAND THAT IT HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN THE EQUAL PROTECTION OF CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS, WHICH WILL ENSURE THE COMMON GOOD OF ALL EGYPTIANS. |
| 00:25:28 | DURING THE TENURE OF FREE SERVICE ISSUES THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF EGYPT, INCLUDING ISSUES RANGING FROM APPRECIATION FOR WORKING TOGETHER ON ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE TO BOTH OF OUR NATIONS SUCH AS DEFENSE AND TERRORISM TO CONCERNS ABOUT FIVE RIGHT TORTURE IN PRISONS AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST AND EVEN OUTRIGHT PERSECUTION OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES AND THE LACK OF FREEDOM TO HOLD FREE, FAIR AND TRANSPARENT POLITICAL ELECTION. |
| 00:25:52 | IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR I SENT A LETTER WITH EMBERS OF CONGRESS TO THE HEAD OF THE TRADE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT TO FIELD MARSHAL TOM TALLY, URGING HIM TO INTERVENE AGAINST THE ATTACKS ON THE COPTIC CHURCH, STRESSING THAT IT ONLY HAS SPLIT THE STRONG ACTION AGAINST THOSE SEEKING TO UNDERMINE VALUES OF DEMOCRACY, TRANSPARENCY AND FREEDOM IN EGYPT THAT THE COUNTRY WILL REACH HIS POTENTIAL AND MAINTAIN ITS STRENGTH AND STABILITY. |
| 00:26:20 | ALTHOUGH I NEVER RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM THE GOVERNMENT, AM HOPEFUL I CAN FIND ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS IN TODAY'S HEARING WITH THE HELP OF OUR PANELISTS FIND COURSES OF ACTION THAT LEAD TO TRULY DEMOCRATIC EGYPT. |
| 00:26:31 | MR. I AM GOING FOR THE PEACE AGAINST EGYPT MINORITY NIETZSCHE AND IN PARTICULAR, REPORTS OF ABUSES TOWARDS WOMEN UNDER THE NEW MACHINE. |
| 00:26:44 | MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS IMPORTANT HEARING I LOOK FORWARD TO FINDING WAYS THE U. |
| 00:26:48 | S. IN THE OCE CAN HELP FACILITATE POLICIES DURING THIS CRUCIAL TIME IN ITS HISTORY. |
| 00:26:53 | I YIELD BACK. |
| 00:26:57 | >> MR. PITTS, I WOULD KNOW PARENTHETICALLY THAT CONGRESSMAN PITTS FOR YEARS HAS SPOKEN OUT ON THE FLOOR AND COMMITTEE NIETZSCHE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF COPTIC CHRISTIANS AND HAS BEEN TENACIOUS IN PROMOTING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN GENERAL, BUT NO ONE HAS DONE MORE IN THE U. |
| 00:27:12 | S. HOUSE OF GOVERNMENT. |
| 00:27:16 | THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT. |
| 00:27:20 | WE WILL NOW GO TO OUR NEXT WITNESS, MICHELLE CLERK. |
| 00:27:23 | I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT MICHELE CLARK WAS THE DIRECTOR THIS IS HOW WE WERE CLOSE AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING AT THE ANTI-TRAFFICKING ASSISTANT AT THE ORGANIZATION FOR SECURITY OPERATION IN EUROPE WHERE SHE ASSISTED ALL 56 COUNTRIES AT THE OCE, SINCE VIRTUALLY ALL OF YOUR UPCOMING UNITED STATES AND CANADA WITH MEETING THEIR COMMITMENTS TO COMBATING THIS MODERN-DAY SLAVERY. |
| 00:27:47 | SHE IS ALSO THE AUTHOR OF A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT WITH WITHOUT OBJECTION WITH A BIG PART OF THE RECORD. |
| 00:27:56 | A 41 PAGE REPORT CALLS THE DISAPPEARANCE, FORCED CONVERSIONS AND FORCED MARRIAGES OF COPTIC CHRISTIAN WOMEN IN EGYPT. |
| 00:28:01 | SO MS. |
| 00:28:02 | CLARK, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. |
| 00:28:11 | [INAUDIBLE] >> MR. |
| 00:28:12 | CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, IT'S AN HONOR TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY. |
| 00:28:17 | THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACIOUS INVITATION AND FOR INCLUDING THE PORT INTO THE PERMANENT RECORD. |
| 00:28:24 | MR. CHAIRMAN, NEAR TO SPEAK ABOUT THE DISAPPEARANCE FORCED CONVERSIONS AND FORCED MARRIAGES OF COPTIC COMMUNITY CHAT OR THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS HEARING, YOUR STEADFAST ENVOYS OVER THE PAST DECADE AND THEN SOME INDEFENSIBLE NOBLE WOMEN AND CHILDREN REMAINS AN INSPIRATION. |
| 00:28:42 | I JUST ALSO LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE WEATHER HAS AGREED TO TURNIPSEED ON THIS MATTER IN SUPPORT OF YOUR INITIATIVE. |
| 00:28:53 | THE TOPIC IS TIMELY AS EGYPT IS MOVING INTO A NEW FACE OF GOVERNMENT WHERE THE RIGHTS OF ALL CITIZENS ARE EQUALLY VALUED AND REPRESENTED. |
| 00:29:02 | THIS INCLUDES -- SHOULD INCLUDE THE RIGHTS OF RELIGIOUS MINORITY AND WOMEN. |
| 00:29:08 | WHILE I'VE PROVIDED DETAILED WRITTEN TESTIMONY TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD, BUT TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE MAIN POINTS HERE AND MY ORAL PRESENTATION. |
| 00:29:17 | AS CONTACTS, 2007, THE STATE DEPARTMENT COUNTRY REPORTS ON HUMAN RIGHTS CRACK THIS REFERENCE THE ISSUE THAT UNDER DISCUSSION AND CLEANED WHILE THERE WERE NO REPORTS OF FORCED RELIGIOUS CONVERSION CARRIED OUT BY THE GOVERNMENT, THERE CONTINUED TO BE UNSUBSTANTIATED REPORTS -- REPORTS WERE DISPUTED, REPORTS INCLUDED ALLEGATION IN DENIAL. |
| 00:29:41 | EXTREMELY DIFFICULT DETERMINE THE ACCURACY. |
| 00:29:45 | EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHETHER COMPULSION WAS USED IN CASES ALMOST NEVER APPEARED IN THE LOCAL MEDIA. |
| 00:29:52 | IN 2008, THE REPORT ON INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN EGYPT CONTRARY REPORT USES ALMOST THE SAME LANGUAGE. |
| 00:30:02 | REPORTS OF FORCED CONVERSION, REPORTS ARE DISPUTED. |
| 00:30:07 | INFLAMMATORY ALLEGATIONS AND CATEGORICAL DENIAL EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE. |
| 00:30:12 | AND FINALLY, IN 2010, THE TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS REPORT PUBLISHED BY THE U. |
| 00:30:17 | S. OFFICE TO MONITOR AND COMBAT TRAFFICKING INDICATED THAT AN NGO REPORT RELEASED A REPORT ABOUT ALLEGED COURSE MARRIAGES OF COPTIC CHRISTIAN WOMEN, INCLUDING AN ALLEGATION OF FORCED PROSTITUTION, ALTHOUGH THE ALLEGATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN CONFIRMED. |
| 00:30:39 | MR. |
| 00:30:40 | CHAIRMAN, I'M HERE TO CONFIRM THESE ALLEGATIONS. |
| 00:30:43 | MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M HERE TO ATTEST THEY SHOULD NOT BE DISPUTED. |
| 00:30:46 | I'M HERE TO STAY CATEGORICAL DENIAL OF KIDNAPPING, FORCED MARRIAGES AND FORCED CONVERSIONS ARE AN AFFRONT TO THE DIGNITY OF EGYPT AND COPTIC WOMEN. |
| 00:30:55 | I KNOW THIS. |
| 00:31:00 | WHY? |
| 00:31:01 | BECAUSE I SPOKEN TO BY MEN WHO HAVE BEEN TRAUMATIZED AFTER AN ALLEGED KIDNAPPING. |
| 00:31:07 | WHO WILL SUFFER A LIFETIME OF INFERTILITY DUE TO AND ALERTED RAPE WHO MOVE FROM HOME TO HOME TO TWO ALLEGED PERPETRATORS AND ARE TONIGHT IDENTITIES BECAUSE OF AN ALLEGED CONVERSION. |
| 00:31:28 | IN 2009, I TRAVEL TO EGYPT ON BEHALF OF KRISHAN SOLIDARITY INTERNATIONAL AND THE COPTIC FOUNDATION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. |
| 00:31:36 | TOGETHER WITH NADIA GHLAY TO VINDICATE THE CLAIMS THAT THESE LAYMEN. |
| 00:31:42 | WE SPOKE TO OVER 50 WOMEN. |
| 00:31:46 | WE MET THEIR FAMILIES. |
| 00:31:47 | WE SAT WITH TERRORIST PRIESTS WHO REGULARLY WITNESSED THIS EVENT CONGREGATION AND WHO HAS PAINSTAKINGLY COMPILED BINDERS SAY FEET IN HEIGHT OF EVIDENCE DOCUMENTING EACH TRAGIC STORY. |
| 00:32:04 | WE REVIEWED LEGAL DOCUMENTS FILED BY COURAGEOUS HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYERS WHO ARE WORKING TO RESTORE THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN IDENTITY TO THESE MEN AND AMATEUR AND TEEN SHELTERS WHERE WOMEN WERE RETURNING FOR A LIFE OF ALLEGED ABUSE AND IN SOME CASES FORCED PROSTITUTION WERE SEQUESTERED. |
| 00:32:24 | MR. |
| 00:32:25 | CHAIRMAN, UNDER REGULAR HUMAN RIGHTS IN BURMA HUMAN RIGHTS VICTIMS DANCES, SUCH REPORTING A LEMONADES TO USE OF THE WORD ALLOCATION. |
| 00:32:35 | I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THE WORD ALLOCATION EXISTS NOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DOCUMENT SUCH REPORT. |
| 00:32:42 | LET ME TALK ABOUT OUR SPECIFIC FINDINGS. |
| 00:32:46 | FIRST, WE CAN SUBSTANTIATE THE CHRISTIAN WOMEN ARE IN FACT LURED IN TO MARRIAGES MUSCLEMEN AND SUBSEQUENTLY CONVERTED TO ISLAM. |
| 00:32:55 | THESE MARRIAGES OFTEN TAKE PLACE UNDER DURESS AND FREQUENTLY INCLUDED FACTION, PHYSICAL ABUSE, RAPE. |
| 00:33:05 | VICTIMS REMAIN RELUCTANT TO PRESS CHARGES AGAINST PERPETRATORS FOR FEAR OF REPRISAL WHEN CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. |
| 00:33:13 | WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND EVIDENCE OF A SINGLE CONVICTION AGAINST A PERPETRATOR. |
| 00:33:19 | LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. |
| 00:33:23 | A YOUNG WOMAN, REFERRED TO AS H. |
| 00:33:24 | WAS BEFRIENDED BY A MUSLIM GIRL. |
| 00:33:28 | SHE TRUSTED HER SPREAD AND HER SPREAD AND SPENT TIME AT HER HOME. |
| 00:33:30 | ONE DAY A FRIEND HAD SENT, THE BROTHER SAID TANNER. |
| 00:33:37 | ASHAMED TO TELL HER FAMILY, SHE REMAINED DURING WHICH TIME THE MOTHER PERSUADED HER TO CONVERT FOR ISLAM AND MARRIED THE SON. |
| 00:33:41 | SHE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY LOCKED INTO HER APARTMENT EVERY DAY BUT THERE HAS LEFT FOR WORK AND ALLOWED TO LEAVE ONLY WITH THE GRANDMAS. |
| 00:33:49 | SHE LISTED ADDAX AS TO THE TELEPHONE COMPANY TO COVER HERSELF AND SHE LEFT THE HOUSE AND WAS FREQUENTLY BEATEN. |
| 00:33:56 | OUR SECOND CONCLUSION IS THAT AUTHORITIES DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE CRIMINAL ACTION HAS TAKEN PLACE. |
| 00:34:04 | INSTEAD, YOUNG WOMEN ARE PRESUMED TO BE WILLING PARTICIPANT IN THEIR ESSAY. |
| 00:34:10 | THIS IS NOT TRUE. |
| 00:34:12 | MR. SMITH, YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT IS THE TRAFFICKING THAT SOMEHOW THEY WENT ALONG BUT THE PROMISES. |
| 00:34:26 | ANTI-TRAFFICKING EXPERTS FREQUENTLY ARE RECOGNIZED TWO IMPORTANT FACTS GOOD ONE IS THAT THE PURPOSES OF TRAFFICKING CAN INCLUDE FORCED MARRIAGE. |
| 00:34:38 | FURTHERMORE, THE ANTI-TRAFFICKING RECOGNIZES RECRUITMENT INTO TRAFFICKING TAKES THE FORM OF SEDUCTION. |
| 00:34:47 | IN NETHERLANDS, THEY REFER TO IT AS THOSE LOVERBOY PHENOMENON. |
| 00:34:52 | THIS FACADE OF ROMANCE TO MICROSOFT'S INTENT IS CONSISTENT WITH PATTERNS DOCUMENTED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING CASES. |
| 00:34:59 | ALTHOUGH SOME WOMEN DO IN FACT -- MAY IN FACT CONSENT TO ROMANCE IN NO WAY DO THEY CONSENT TO ABUSE, VIOLENCE AND BOUGHT A RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. |
| 00:35:14 | THEREFORE PRODUCE PRESIDENT. |
| 00:35:22 | FOR FRAUD OR COERCION IS PRESENT. |
| 00:35:24 | YOU HAVE A CASE OF TRAFFICKING. |
| 00:35:27 | TRAFFICKING DOES NOT HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL. |
| 00:35:32 | THREE, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED SPECIFIC PATTERNS IN THESE INSTANCES, MR. |
| 00:35:36 | CHAIRMAN, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT COPTIC GROCER BEFRIENDS AND THESE PATTERNS WOULD INDICATE THAT THERE IS THOUGHT AND STRATEGY AND PLANNING. |
| 00:35:52 | THESE ARE NOT RANDOM OCCURRENCES OR ACTION. |
| 00:35:55 | COPTIC GROCER BEFRIENDED BY GROCER CLASSMATES ARE NEIGHBORS. |
| 00:36:03 | WOMEN AND GIRLS FIND THEMSELVES IN VARIOUS SITUATIONS OF DISTRESS ARE BEFRIENDED BY AN OLDER WOMAN TO WOMAN PROVIDES MATERIAL AND EMOTION ASSISTANCE DURING DIFFICULT TIMES AND A MUSLIM MAN WHO CAN HELP. |
| 00:36:26 | THEY ARE APPROACHED BY A MUSLIM BENEFACTOR OFFERS SERVICES AND ASSIST IN THE CASE OF ILLNESS. |
| 00:36:32 | THERE WAS ONE INSTANCE WHERE A WOMAN WAS OFFERED HELP IN BUYING BLOOD NECESSARY FOR A CHILD'S TRANSFUSION. |
| 00:36:42 | ONCE TRUST IS AN ESTABLISHED COME ACROSS CAN DO THE RIGHT TO ISOLATED PLACE, CHART AND KIDNAPPED. |
| 00:36:51 | OFTEN RAPE. |
| 00:36:53 | FIND THE RAPE, MAKES YOU ASHAMED OF. |
| 00:36:58 | THEY ARE FAMILIES RESPOND. |
| 00:37:01 | MARRYING THE BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THERE IS NO PLACE TO VENT TO GO. |
| 00:37:06 | THESE MARRIAGES ARE ACCOMPANIED BY CONVERGING FOR ISLAM WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE MAN'S FAMILY IN A NEW IDENTITY CARD IS SUBSEQUENTLY ISSUED. |
| 00:37:16 | ONCE MARRIED A MACABRE EQUIPMENT AS PSYCHOLOGICAL AND PHYSICAL ABUSE INCLUDING RAPE CAN IT BE, VERBAL ABUSE, CONFINEMENT TO APARTMENTS IN ISOLATION FROM THEIR FAMILY. |
| 00:37:33 | FURTHERMORE, WOMEN APART ONCE THE MARRIAGES TAKING PLACE, THE NEW COUPLE THEY'VE RECEIVED THE NEW APARTMENT, NEW FURNITURE OR PERHAPS A JOB GIVEN TO A DERELICT SON OR A FORMER PETTY CONVICT A PIECE. |
| 00:37:52 | ESCAPE TAKES THE FOLLOWING FORM. |
| 00:37:54 | IN SOME CASES, NOTABLY WHERE THERE ARE NO CHILDREN AND WHERE THE WOMEN PERSIST IN WANTING TO GET OUT OF THE SITUATION, MICKEY MICE DIFFICULT FOR EVERYONE, THE ONE I SENT HOME. |
| 00:38:09 | IN OTHER CASES SHE IS RESCUED BY FRIENDS AND RELATIVES. |
| 00:38:12 | WOMEN RARELY LEAVE. |
| 00:38:15 | ANOTHER POINT OF INTEREST A MUSLIM MAN NAMED MARY AND NON-MUSLIM WOMEN. |
| 00:38:25 | IN EACH OF THE CASES DOCUMENTED, CONVERSIONS AND MARRIAGES OCCURRED WITHIN A FEW DAYS OF EACH OTHER. |
| 00:38:32 | IT NECESSARY TO INQUIRE FURTHER BY FORCED MARRIAGES OF COPTIC WOMEN TO MUSCLEMEN ARE ACCOMPANIED BY A CONVERSION OF AN ISLAMIC LIFE DOES NOT A CONVERSION. |
| 00:38:47 | THE ONLY PURPOSE IT SEEMS TO SAY OF HIS DENIAL OF THEIR RELIGIOUS IDENTITY, AND THE ANNIHILATION RELIGIOUS IDENTITY. |
| 00:38:53 | FOR IT, COUNSELING SESSIONS WITH MEMBERS OF THEIR OWN CLERGY, TRADITIONALLY PART OF THE CONVERSION PROCESS IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO COMMERCE. |
| 00:39:03 | IT USED TO BE THAT IF THE INDIVIDUAL OPTED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM, AND MEETINGS WERE CONVENED WHERE MEMBERS OF MY OWN CLERGY TOGETHER WITH REPRESENTATIVES THAT THE ISLAMIC FAITH WOULD BE TOGETHER IN ORDER SO THAT I WOULD UNDERSTAND THE FULL IMPLICATION OF MY CHOICE. |
| 00:39:22 | UNDER THE FORMER GOVERNMENT, THESE COUNSELING SESSIONS HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED, ATTEMPTS BY VARIOUS HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYERS ON BEHALF OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES TO CHALLENGE DAYS AND TO RESTORE THE SESSIONS HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL TO MY KNOWLEDGE TODAY. |
| 00:39:42 | THIS, COP EQUIPMENT EXPERIENCE PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE, BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER THEIR CONVERSION IN MARRIAGE, INCLUDING REPORTS, INCLUDING DOCUMENTED REPORT OF FORCED PROSTITUTION BY THEIR HOUSE THEN. |
| 00:40:01 | SIXTH, THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE LEGAL CHRISTIAN IDENTITY OF COPTIC WOMEN WHO HAD RETURNED TO THEIR FAITH COMMUNITIES OF ORIGIN TO BE RESTORED TO THEM. |
| 00:40:15 | WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME REPORTS THAT A FEW NUMBERS OF WOMEN ARE ABLE TO RETAIN THEIR IDENTITY THAN THAT FOR THE MOST PART A WOMAN IS REQUIRED TO LIVE WITH THEIR ISLAMIC IDENTITY UNTIL SOMETHING IS DONE TO CHANGE THE SITUATION. |
| 00:40:31 | THE COPTIC CHURCH HAS DEVELOPED SOME SAFE HOUSES FOR THE NICE WOMEN AND GIRLS. |
| 00:40:35 | WE HAVE VISITED THEM AND NOTE THAT SOME PROVISION IS BEING MADE FOR THEIR CARE. |
| 00:40:47 | IN IGNORANCE, FEAR, SHAME WAS A REAL UNWILLINGNESS TO BRING IT FORWARD. |
| 00:40:59 | BASED ON THE CULINARY FINANCE, WE RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION ACTIVELY PURSUE THE FOLLOWING ISSUE. |
| 00:41:05 | A THE REINSTATEMENT OF COUNSELING SESSIONS FOR THOSE CONTEMPLATING CONVERSIONS TO ISLAM. |
| 00:41:13 | THE RESTORATION OF CHRISTIAN IDENTITY TO FORMER CONVERTS OF THIS ON THIS RETURN TO THEIR ORIGINAL FAITH. |
| 00:41:19 | THE INVESTIGATION OF ALL ALLEGATIONS OF KIDNAPPING, RAPE AND OTHER ACTS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ASSOCIATED WITH FORCE MARRIAGES AND CONVERSIONS OF WOMEN IN THE PERSECUTION OF PERPETRATORS. |
| 00:41:36 | WE ENCOURAGE THE U. |
| 00:41:38 | S. GOVERNMENT TO FIND OUT OF ITS DEMOCRACY FUNDS, PROGRAMS TO WORK TOWARDS FREEDOM OF RELIGION IN THE EMPOWERMENT OF WOMEN IN THE MIDDLE EAST TO ESSENTIAL CORNERSTONES OF ANY FREE SOCIETY. |
| 00:41:51 | AND FINALLY, MR. |
| 00:41:52 | CHAIRMAN, LET'S GET RID OF THE WORD ALLEGATION. |
| 00:41:56 | THANK YOU. |
| 00:42:00 | [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. |
| 00:42:04 | THIS IS AN INDICTMENT OF THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT AND A PRACTICE THAT'S GONE ON FOR FAR TOO LONG. |
| 00:42:09 | AS YOU POINTED OUT IN THE REPORT AS FAR BACK AS 1976 POKE CHANUTE AT THE THIRD SET AND I QUOTE, THERE IS PRESSURE BEING CRACKED THIS TO PREVENT ISLAM AND MARRIED THEM UNDER TERROR TO MUSLIM HUSBAND. |
| 00:42:25 | IT WOULD APPEAR THE SITUATION HAS DRAMATICALLY WORSENED BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY AND TESTIMONIES OF OTHER WITNESSES. |
| 00:42:35 | AND NOW, AS YOU KNOW, EACH IT IS THE TIER TWO COUNTRY. |
| 00:42:42 | FRANKLY, IT SUGGESTS THEY ARE TAKING ACTIONS TO COMBAT HUMAN TRAFFICKING. |
| 00:42:48 | THAT REPORT JUST CAME OUT IN BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THEY'VE READ THE TESTIMONIES OF A WITNESS TO, I WILL INITIATE AN EFFORT TO GET THE AMBASSADOR AT LARGE TO FOLLOW UP AT A HEARING BEFORE THE COMMISSION THE AMBASSADOR AT LARGE FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING. |
| 00:43:07 | I KNOW THE FULL CAPABILITIES OF THAT OFFICE AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO IS A COMPETENT MAN TO BE ELECTED EACH BECAUSE THEY DESERVE TO BE A TIER THREE COUNTRY THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THAT LIST. |
| 00:43:25 | WE WROTE THE LOT THAT IS NOT JUST DONE ANNUALLY. |
| 00:43:28 | ANYTIME INFORMATION WARRANTS THAT, THE COUNTRY CAN BE EITHER ELEVATED OR DEMOTED IN TERMS OF ITS DESIGNATION. |
| 00:43:37 | THERE IS TIER ONE, TIER TWO WATCH LIST OF MANY TIER THREE. |
| 00:43:41 | THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO BE ON TIER TWO AND WE WILL BE ADMONISHING, ENCOURAGING AND EVEN DEMANDING THE REEVALUATION OCCUR QUICKLY BECAUSE THE SITUATION AGAIN, WITNESSES ARE BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT. |
| 00:43:56 | THAT'S WHERE HAVING THIS HEARING BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN EGREGIOUS HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES. |
| 00:44:01 | OUR NEXT WITNESS, JOHN MAYER LIKE TO THANK HIM FOR TRAVELING YESTERDAY ACROSS THE ATLANTIC JUST TO BE HERE TO PRESENT TESTIMONY OF CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MALAN -- AND I 10 FAMILY ARE ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED OF THE GREAT WORK HE IS DOING ON BEHALF OF COBB TO CHRISTIANS IN THE OTHER POSTER AND I WISH I'D LEARNED UP FOR ALL TO SEE OF ALL OF THESE MISSING GIRLS WHO ATTENDED THAT DID THAT IN MOST CASES ARE NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN, FORCED INTO A MARRIAGE AND INTIMIDATING COERCED. |
| 00:44:43 | SO I WANT TO THANK MR. |
| 00:44:44 | MEYER FOR HIS LEADERSHIP AND FOR BEING HERE, FOR A FLIGHT TO BE HERE. |
| 00:44:49 | I YIELD THE TIME YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONSUME FOR HIS TESTIMONY. |
| 00:45:00 | >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAGIC COPTIC GIRLS KIDNAPPING. |
| 00:45:13 | AS HE MENTIONED, MR. |
| 00:45:16 | PRESIDENT -- MR. |
| 00:45:17 | CHAIRMAN, THIS IS THE FIRST WE ASSERT. |
| 00:45:20 | I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PART OF THE INTERVIEWS. |
| 00:45:26 | THIS IS CIRCULATING IN THE INTERNET SINCE 2008 AND WAS PREPARED TO FIGHT AND ENGLISH COPTIC CONVERSATION. |
| 00:45:39 | SO THESE GIRLS HAVE BEEN KIDNAPPED, RAPE, FORCED TO CONVERT TO ISLAM, FORCED TO MARRY. |
| 00:45:50 | YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF CRIMES ARE HUGE. |
| 00:45:54 | EACH ONE IS JUST A LOAD A HUGE CLAIM. |
| 00:46:00 | I ALSO HAD SOME OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS TAKE OFF FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS ASSOCIATION IN EACH IT. |
| 00:46:13 | IT'S ONE PAGE, ONE GIRL AND YOU CAN SEE COMING YOU KNOW, A PHOTO OF THE BEAUTIFUL GIRL AND THEN AFTER SHE HAD BEEN KIDNAPPED YOU SEE OTHER PHOTOS. |
| 00:46:26 | THIS IS A CERTIFICATE FROM A MOSQUE SAYING THAT A FEW DAYS LATER YOU FIND THE SAME AS SHE GOT VARIED FROM A STREET MAN I HAVE MANY, MANY OF THESE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS WHO ARE BEING VIEWED AND APPEALED. |
| 00:46:54 | ONE OF THEM HERE WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE THEY WERE JUST TAKEN AWAY AND SHE IS 19 YEARS OLD STUDENT AND SHE SAID SHE WAS BEING PLAYED. |
| 00:47:18 | SO THESE ARE JUST PARENTS WHO WENT TO THE HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS TO COMPLAIN AND THEY KNOW AND THEY TOLD THE KIDNAPPERS AND ACCOMPLISHES ARE PAID, PROBABLY FINANCED. |
| 00:47:45 | THEY SAY ONE COPTIC GIRL IS EQUIVALENT TO $10,050,000 SO YOU CAN SEE HOW ATTRACTIVE IS THE BUSINESS. |
| 00:47:58 | FEW GIRLS HAVE SUCCEEDED TO ESCAPE AND THEY TELL THE EXCUSE THAT THE NEXT AMPLE OF NGS WITNESSING SINCE ABOUT THREE WEEKS ON THE NET IN AN ARABIC SPEAKING VIDEO. |
| 00:48:19 | ANGIE WAS 12 WHEN SHE WAS KIDNAPPED. |
| 00:48:23 | TODAY SHE IS 16. |
| 00:48:28 | THIS IS WHAT SHE SAYS. |
| 00:48:30 | I WENT OUT FOR MY SCHOOL AND WAS FOLLOWED BY HIS SON YOUNG PEOPLE. |
| 00:48:36 | THEY PUSHED ME IN A TAXI AND I LOVE CONSCIENCE AND WHEN I WOKE UP, I FOUND MYSELF IN AN APARTMENT. |
| 00:48:48 | THE LADY WAS TOO IS OTHER CROWS CHRIS INTRODUCED ME TO A MAN NAMED ZOLTAN. |
| 00:48:52 | THEY TOOK ME IN A ROOM, TIED MY ARMS ON MY BACK AND RAPE ME. |
| 00:49:00 | FOR OTHER THAN RAPE ME, ONE AFTER ONE. |
| 00:49:05 | EACH ONE SEEMED TO HAVE A DESIRE TO CUT MY BODY IN PIECES AS IT WAS HIS ENEMY AND HE NEEDS. |
| 00:49:15 | IT'S STILL THE ONE HE'S SEE THE GROWTH TALKING. |
| 00:49:20 | FOR MONTHS I WAS EATEN ANOTHER LOT OF LOU MARX. |
| 00:49:24 | I WAS UNABLE TO BE, DRINK OR SLEEP. |
| 00:49:29 | ALL THEY WANTED WAS TO GIVE ME DRUGS AND RAPE ME. |
| 00:49:35 | FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE DAYS, FIVE MEN STAYED IN THE ROOM AND RAPE ME. |
| 00:49:39 | I WAS AWAKE AND ABLE TO SLEEP 24 HOURS A DAY. |
| 00:49:44 | SHE CONTINUED THE CRYING. |
| 00:49:46 | MORE THAN 50 MEN DURING THESE MONTHS HAVE SAID 10 KNEE. |
| 00:49:51 | THEN MY FATHER'S SUCCEEDED IN FINDING ME AND I CAME BACK HOME. |
| 00:49:57 | THE POLICE SECURITY ASKED ME TO COME FOR INTERROGATION. |
| 00:50:03 | THE OFFICER DID ME SO HARD THAT THIS FEED TO MY STOMACH AND BACK PULLED ME FROM A HEARING TREATED ME AS A STREET GRILL. |
| 00:50:12 | THEY WANTED TO FORCE ME SO TO SAY THAT I LEFT MY FAMILY BY MY OWN WILL AND NOTHING OF THE STORIES HAVE BEEN. |
| 00:50:20 | I WAS ONLY 12 WHEN THIS HAS BEEN. |
| 00:50:24 | WHY ALL OF THIS? |
| 00:50:25 | ONLY BECAUSE I'M A CHRISTIAN AND THEN CONTINUED CRYING. |
| 00:50:30 | NOW EVERYBODY AROUND ME THINK SOME OF THAT GIRL. |
| 00:50:35 | THEY SAY ON THE VIDEO, I SIX TODAY TO GET HER BAG ALONE. |
| 00:50:40 | THE POLICE HAVE DONE NOTHING, WAS OF NO HELP AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VETO. |
| 00:50:50 | SHE IS NOT BEING. |
| 00:50:55 | THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE GIRL. |
| 00:50:58 | NOW THERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE TESTIMONY OF THE MONTH ON THAT I MET HER PERSONALLY, BY CHANCE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THE CHIP. |
| 00:51:10 | SHE KNEW THAT A FRENCH COUPLE WOULD ATTEND THE MEETING, SO SHE CAME TO SEE US AND SHE SOLD HER STORY. |
| 00:51:16 | SHE GAVE ME HER DOCTORS PHOTO, I DOUBT DID IN 2007 AT THE AGE OF NINE TEAM. |
| 00:51:25 | SHE WROTE ON THE BACK THE NAMES OF HER. |
| 00:51:30 | HER AND HER ISLAMIC HAS BEEN. |
| 00:51:32 | THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. |
| 00:51:35 | ON THE LAST DAY OF THE FACULTY EXPANDS, SHE WENT TO A RESTAURANT WITH A MUSLIM GIRLFRIEND OFFERED HER A PIZZA AND A COKE. |
| 00:51:44 | SHE FELT DIZZY AND CALLED HER PARENTS, TELLING THEM SHE IS COMING BACK HOME BECAUSE SHE'S SICK. |
| 00:51:51 | SHE NEVER CAME BACK. |
| 00:51:54 | DESPITE THAT THREATS OF THE POLICE PHONE TAPPING ON HIS COURAGEOUS MOTHER TRACED AND FOUND THE NAMES OF HIS ISLAM AS HAS BEEN, ISLAMIST OF DOCTORS. |
| 00:52:07 | ONE OF THEM WAS RESISTED AS A TERRORIST IN THE SECURITY FILES. |
| 00:52:13 | SHE COMPLAINED OF COORS TO THEM MUBARAK. |
| 00:52:20 | SHE WENT TO THE COUNCIL AS AN ANSWER TO ALL OF THAT SHE HAD ONLY RECEIVED SILENT. |
| 00:52:29 | WHEN SHE TRIED TO SEE MUBARAK, ONE OF THE PERCENTAGE OF THE GUARDS TOLD HER, IF YOUR JOB IS IN THE HANDS OF THESE PEOPLE, FORGET ABOUT HER. |
| 00:52:43 | HER DAUGHTER IS NOW WEARING, LIVING IN DRUGS. |
| 00:52:48 | SHE WOULD CONTINUE HER STUDIES AT THE ARRESTING. |
| 00:52:53 | SHE WILL LIKELY BE BEING BEATEN IN THE STREETS BECAUSE SHE DARED TRY TO ANSWER PHONE CALLS. |
| 00:53:02 | SHE SEEMS CONVINCED HER PARENTS WILL BE KILLED IF SHE TRIES TO ESCAPE. |
| 00:53:08 | ALL OF THE NAMES THAT THE PERPETRATORS, THE COMPLICITY OF POLICE OFFICERS, THE COMPLICIT UNIVERSE BE ISLAMIST PROFESSORS ARE AVAILABLE. |
| 00:53:18 | THE PARENTS KEEP HOPE AND TO SEE AGAIN THEIR DAUGHTER. |
| 00:53:23 | BEFORE A MEETING THIS LADY, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS TYPE OF STRUGGLE IN EACH HAD. |
| 00:53:30 | BUT THEN IN FRANCE I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN CONFLICTS, LIMITING THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY WITH THE COPTIC CULTURE. |
| 00:53:45 | THE HEARTBROKEN LADY -- THIS HEARTBROKEN LADY LED ME TO DIFFERENT PERSONNEL COMMITMENTS. |
| 00:53:57 | THERE ARE METHODS PEOPLE ARE USING TO REACH THE TARGET, AS YOU SAY THE METHODOLOGY. |
| 00:54:06 | THEY EXECUTED ACCORDING TO A METHODOLOGY BY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GIVE MONEY OR BY PEOPLE CONVINCED THEY ARE DOING GOOD FOR A LAW, BY BRINGING AN INFIDEL WOMEN TO ISLAM. |
| 00:54:26 | THE NUMBER OF COPTIC SUDDEN INCREASE, THE MOST HOMES WILL INCREASE. |
| 00:54:34 | THEY FOLLOWS THE TRADITION OF THE FILING. |
| 00:54:38 | SEEMS THE CLOSER, AND ORIENTAL CULTURES TAKING AWAY A GIRL'S VIRGINITY MEANS TAKING AWAY THE WHOLE FAMILY'S HONOR. |
| 00:54:53 | FOR THE PLAN IS THE WISER KIDNAPPED PAIN OR COMPROMISING CHRISTIAN GIRLS BY DEFILING, HUMILIATING THEM AND THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECT ON THE GIRL IS BECOMING A SHAME TO A FAMILY AND BECOMES A SOLUTION TO THE PROUD AND. |
| 00:55:20 | SO BESIDES THE GIRL WHO LOSES HER WELL, THE FAMILY IS COVERED BY SHAME, CONDEMNED BY THE SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT. |
| 00:55:30 | THE MUSLIMS CLAIMING THAT GROWTH CAME BY HER OWN WILL AND SO CHRISTIANS ARE APPROACHING NOT HAVING TAKEN ENOUGH CARE OF THEIR DAUGHTER. |
| 00:55:41 | A PROCESS LEADING TO HUMILIATION AT THE COPTIC COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE IN FRONT OF THE SUPREMACY OF ISLAM. |
| 00:55:53 | IN A NEWSPAPER INTERVIEW, MR. |
| 00:56:00 | HEINEMAN WRESTLED AT THE COMPLICITY OF THE SECURITY POLICE, IT IT IS AN INVESTIGATOR OF ISLAM OFTEN NOT A AN OPPOSITION CALL THE LIGHTS OF ISLAM. |
| 00:56:21 | HE REBUILT THE CURLS ARE COVERED IN MUD BUILDINGS. |
| 00:56:26 | HE ALSO SPECIALIZED IN TRACKING THE COPTIC GIRLS, USING INTERNET, MONEY, EMPLOYMENT AND OTHER MEANS AND IS DUE AT BUT THESE ARE THE DECISIONS AS SECURITY SUPPORTS AND SECURITY COVER A PERIOD THE LEAST JUSTICE RECORD -- WINNERS OF THE DECISION. |
| 00:56:55 | IN SHARIA AS ASSERTION, NOR IN ISLAM, THE LIGHT OF HIS OWN DECISION AND MANY OTHERS. |
| 00:57:06 | THE INFORMATION FROM OTHER SOURCES, ACCUSED IN FORESTS THAT, ONE, GROUP BEING 99 OCCURS BETWEEN 12 AND 17 YEARS OLD IN ONE APARTMENT, WHERE THEY ARE TRAPPED, WHERE THEY ARE TRAPPED, WHERE THEY ARE TRAPPED RAIN LASHED AND SUBTEN. |
| 00:57:30 | TWO, GET THEM OUT TO THE MATURITY AGE OF 18. |
| 00:57:33 | THEY ARE BROUGHT TO A MOSQUE TO CONVERT TO ISLAM. |
| 00:57:40 | THEY IMMEDIATELY ATTAINED THE ITM MENTIONS AS MUSLIM AND THAT OF CHRISTIAN AND THE NAME HAS CHANGED USING A MOUSE AND NAME, NOT THAT THE OPPOSITE WAY IS IMPOSSIBLE. |
| 00:57:58 | THREE, BRAIN YOUNG BOYS OR MEN AND FORCE THEM TO MARRY ONE OF THEM. |
| 00:58:09 | FOR, KEEP THE GIRL AWAY FROM HER FAMILY. |
| 00:58:14 | MAINTAIN THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. |
| 00:58:22 | INCULCATE TERROR AND FEAR THAT SHE'S ASHAMED TO HER FAMILY WHO WILL KILL HER IF SHE RETURNED SHE HAS BECOME A MOST FUN AND CAN GO BACK TO CHRISTIANITY OR SHOULD BE KILLED ACCORDING TO SHARIA LAW. |
| 00:58:43 | COREY STEPS, METHODS. |
| 00:58:49 | NOW, WHAT THE JUST ASK? |
| 00:58:52 | HOW CLICK THEIR HUNDRED. |
| 00:58:55 | I JUST MENTIONED WHAT IT THEN THE EGYPTIAN HUMAN RIGHTS FOR AN ORGANIZATION SINCE 2009. |
| 00:59:11 | 45 CASES UNDER 18 YEARS SINCE THE GENERAL REVOLUTION. |
| 00:59:20 | THE 275 CASES KNOWN BETWEEN 2005 AND 2010 UNDERRATE TEEN, 275 CASES KNOWN UNDERRATE TEEN AND 400 CASES. |
| 00:59:37 | NOW, IT IS JUST A WORK OF SMALL, RADICAL PEEP HOLE. |
| 00:59:44 | THIS IS PART OF A HUGE PLAN PROBABLY. |
| 00:59:52 | IT'S SEPARATION TO THE GENOCIDE. |
| 00:59:55 | WITHIN THE ISLAMIC NATION, TO HAVE AN IMPORTANT NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS AROUND AT LEAST AROUND 12 MILLION. |
| 01:00:10 | WE WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CONVERTED MOST RUNS AND THEY ARE JUST HIDDEN. |
| 01:00:18 | SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT 22 MILLION. |
| 01:00:24 | SO THEY STILL MAINTAIN SOME OF HIS EVERYDAY CUSTOMS, THROUGH THE COPTIC LANGUAGE. |
| 01:00:31 | THE COP TOOK LANGUAGE WHICH IS THE LAST VERSION. |
| 01:00:36 | THE COPTIC REP RESENTS AN OBSTACLE TO THE RADICAL ISLAMISTS WHO ARE TRAINING TO ESTABLISH THE GREAT WORLDWIDE ISLAMIC NATION. |
| 01:00:48 | STRATEGIC PLANS ARE SET TO GET RID OF THEM SLOWLY, THAT'S FIRMLY BY DIFFERENT MEANS. |
| 01:01:03 | THEY ARE JUST ONE OF HORRIBLE MEANS. |
| 01:01:06 | AND IRAQ ALREADY, THE 1 MILLION CHRISTIANS, ONLY THREE TO 400,000 ARE LEFT. |
| 01:01:13 | WILL THIS HAVE INTO EGYPT? |
| 01:01:19 | AFTER THE CHURCH BOMBING IN THE 2011 YEARS FOLLOWING THE ABOVE BEING, PRESIDENT -- FRENCH PRESIDENT DENOUNCED THE RELIGIOUS EXTERMINATION PLAN TO THESE CHRISTIANS. |
| 01:01:41 | HE MENTIONED THAT GRAND WILL NOT DELIVER IT SUCH A PLAN. |
| 01:01:47 | ON MARCH 5th, AFTER THE REVOLUTION, THE MEMBER PARLIAMENT, FORMER MINISTER WAS INVITED AS A GUEST SPEAKER AND EGYPT'S REVOLUTION. |
| 01:02:03 | THE SON OF ARMENIAN PARENTS WHO RAN AWAY FROM THE TURKISH GENOCIDE WITH THE CONTEXT OF THE EUPHORIC TURKISH REVOLUTION IN 1908, SEEKING FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY WAS EUPHORIC AS JASON NIETZSCHE TODAY. |
| 01:02:24 | THERE IS A COUNTRY AWAY FROM RELIGIOUS POWER. |
| 01:02:29 | ONLY SEVEN YEARS LATER, IN 1915, AROUND 1. |
| 01:02:37 | 15 MILLION WERE EXTERMINATED IF YOU WISH TO US THAT BECAUSE THAT TODAY'S MEDIA, BECAUSE TODAY'S FAST COMMUNICATION, THIS WOULD PREVENT SUCH A SCENARIO TO EGYPT. |
| 01:02:55 | WHAT IS INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY? |
| 01:03:01 | THE U. |
| 01:03:02 | S. OR INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS INVESTIGATION COMMISSION IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO EXAMINE THE EVENTS FREELY. |
| 01:03:14 | I KNOW THAT IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT THE IDEA IS GOING THROUGH AND MAY BE THE COMMISSION MAKES THE SAME DECISION MAY BE A COURT NEEDED WORK BESIDE. |
| 01:03:30 | THE PRESSURE OF THE MILITARY COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTIONS AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE WAS THE PRECISE TIME PLAN AND YOU SHOULD EXPECT THE ANT THERE IS JUST THAT THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL LIFE STORIES CALORIC COPTIC GIRL WANTS TO FIND A MUSLIM LETTER. |
| 01:03:53 | AND THEY BOTH ACCOMPLISH TO STOP FINANCING THESE TERRORIST ACTS. |
| 01:03:59 | AS A CONCLUSION, I HAVE IN MY FRIDGE AND A QUESTION. |
| 01:04:06 | THE MESSAGE: THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD'S WILL NEVER CHANGE OUR LEAVE. |
| 01:04:14 | CHECK DAVE FOR RESTORING THE ISLAMIC OUTFEED. |
| 01:04:18 | THE FOUNDATION IS ALLOWED IS OUR TARGET. |
| 01:04:24 | THE PROPHET IS OUR MODERN. |
| 01:04:27 | THE KORAN IS OUR GOAL. |
| 01:04:28 | TOTALLY WERE IS OUR WAY AND I WISH. |
| 01:04:35 | THESE ARE THE FUNDAMENTALS AND A SIXTH OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. |
| 01:04:41 | YOU'LL NOT CHANGE THEM. |
| 01:04:43 | THEY WILL NOT USE THE OBJECT DID A RESTORING, ONLY CHANGING TACTICS. |
| 01:04:53 | THEY'RE ADAPTING THE LANGUAGE TO DEMOCRACY AND TO THE WESTERN EARS. |
| 01:04:58 | THE EARLY PARLIAMENTARY ELECTION THAT WERE PLANNED IN SEPTEMBER NOW BECAUSE THE THE REVOLUTION PRESSURE OF THE COUNCIL HAVE BEEN A PORTED TO NOVEMBER IF THEY ARE HELD CAN EITHER CONVERT OR NOVEMBER, THEN WE BRING THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TO POWER. |
| 01:05:26 | WHY? BECAUSE FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, MUBARAK REGIME WERE JUST INTERESTED IN STAYING IN POWER AND LAST THE SOCIETY ON THE HANDS. |
| 01:05:41 | SO THE EGYPTIAN SOCIETY HAS INVESTED BY A CLOSER THAT HE AND THAT'S AN EXAMPLE, ONE CHILD PETERS HOLDS THAT TODAY'S TO HIS CHRISTIAN FRIEND, YESTERDAY WAS MY BIRTHDAY. |
| 01:05:58 | I INVITED ALL OF MY FRIENDS EXCEPT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE CHRISTIAN. |
| 01:06:04 | THESE ARE DEDICATION OF THE PROFESSORS FOR THE EIGHT YEARS OLD. |
| 01:06:17 | NO SUCH THINGS. |
| 01:06:18 | AND ALL MY FRIENDS ARE MUSLIMS WHEN I GO TO EGYPT I DON'T EVEN HAVE CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, BUT MY FACULTY MUSLIM FRIEND A VERY GOOD RUNS AND WOULD NEVER LIVE SUCH A SITUATION. |
| 01:06:40 | MEET THE DEMOCRATIC DEMANDS. |
| 01:06:43 | I CAN SAY EARLY ELECTION IS JUST UNDEMOCRATIC AND WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED IN GOD FOR. |
| 01:06:53 | THEY WERE 100% DEMOCRATIC. |
| 01:06:54 | THEY WERE CONTROLLED BY INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION AND DEPRIVE HAMAS. |
| 01:07:05 | SO WHEN THE COUNTRY IS NOT READY, SHE BRINGS WHAT IS NEXT. |
| 01:07:09 | SO WHAT IS IN EGYPT NOW IS THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD REBOOT IS REQUIRED IS A CONSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK THAT MUST BE PREPARED FIRST. |
| 01:07:19 | SO WE URGE THE COMMISSION. |
| 01:07:21 | WE URGE THE U. |
| 01:07:22 | S. CONGRESS TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. |
| 01:07:26 | NOW, THIS IS A REQUEST TO PRESIDENT OBAMA. |
| 01:07:32 | THE U. |
| 01:07:33 | S. MIDDLE EAST POLICY SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE MUSLIM LIBERALS. |
| 01:07:39 | THEY ARE ALSO MUSLIMS. |
| 01:07:43 | THEY SHOULD NOT FAVOR HANDING OVER TO THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. |
| 01:07:49 | THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MUSLIMS, MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD'S WHO ARE BEHIND AL QAEDA, WHO WERE BEHIND 9/11. |
| 01:08:56 | .. >> OF COURSE TO THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF RIGHTS AND NOT ACCORDING TO SHARIA AS MUSLIM BROTHERHOODS ARE CLAIMING. |
| 01:09:05 | ACTIONS ARE NEEDED. |
| 01:09:06 | ACTIONS ARE NEEDED NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. |
| 01:09:09 | THANK YOU. |
| 01:09:16 | [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] >> MR. |
| 01:09:17 | MAHER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
| 01:09:21 | AND THANK YOU TO MISS DAWSON AND CLARK AS WELL. |
| 01:09:23 | IT'S MOVING TO HEAR YOUR TESTIMONY. |
| 01:09:25 | THOSE OF US IN C-SPAN, I WILL SAY THAT CHAIRMAN SMITH AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE LEFT TO VOTE, BECAUSE THIS HEARING IS SO IMPORTANT. |
| 01:09:33 | AND WE HAVE C-SPAN HERE LIVE. |
| 01:09:35 | WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE PROCEEDINGS, THE CHAIRMAN, BY THE WAY, MY NAME IS MARK MILOSCH, I'M THE CHIEF OF STAFF WITH THE HEALTH COMMISSION, AND SOMEONE FROM MR. |
| 01:09:56 | SMITH'S STAFF ON PERSONAL ISSUES. |
| 01:09:58 | WE'LL PROCEED. |
| 01:09:59 | THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I HAVE, HAVE ANY MUSLIM LEADERS IN EGYPT CONDEMNED THE KIDNAPPING, FORCED MARRIAGE, FORCED CONVERSION OF COPTIC CHRISTIAN GIRLS? |
| 01:10:12 | HAS ANYONE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THIS? |
| 01:10:16 | >> I HAVE -- I HAVE ONLY THE ONE WHO MENTIONED THE NAME THAT I GAVE -- JUST THE NAME I GAVE, WHO MENTIONED THIS ASSERTIONS AND RECOGNIZED THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED AND IT IS ABOUT TO BE PLANNED. |
| 01:10:31 | I ONLY HAVE ONE COURAGEOUS MUSLIM MAN WHO IS TALKING ABOUT IT. |
| 01:10:36 | MOST OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE TV AND WHAT I HAVE READ IN THE NEWSPAPER ARE JUST TRYING TO TRANSFORM THIS EVENTS INTO A LOST STORY. |
| 01:10:50 | AND THE GIRLS JUST LEFT BY THEIR OWN WILL. |
| 01:10:54 | EVEN COPTICS, I HEARD, THEY SAID, IT'S A FALSE PROBLEM. |
| 01:10:58 | BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ALSO INFLUENCED BY THE MEDIA, AND BY THE NEWSPAPERS THAT THEY READ. |
| 01:11:05 | SO WHAT IS REALLY KNOWN IS LIMITED TO THE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE. |
| 01:11:15 | >> THANK YOU. |
| 01:11:18 | MISS DAWSON, MISS CLARK? |
| 01:11:26 | >> I'M SORRY. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND MY. |
| 01:11:27 | >> I AGREE WITH MR. |
| 01:11:30 | -- MISS CLARK, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYONE CONDEMNING IT AND SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THESE CRIMES. |
| 01:11:35 | >> COULD ANY OF YOU, OR PERHAPS ALL OF YOU, WALK ME THROUGH THE -- SAY A DAY IN THE LIFE OF A COPTIC CHRISTIAN IN EGYPT. |
| 01:11:45 | GET KIND OF GRANULAR AND TELL ME HOW IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT SHOULD BE. |
| 01:11:51 | HOW THE PERSECUTION, THE REPRESSIVE ATMOSPHERE IN THE SOCIETY PRESENTS HIMSELF. |
| 01:11:59 | WHAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT SHOULD BE WHEN YOU GO TO REGISTER FOR A DRIVER'S LICENSE? |
| 01:12:06 | WHEN YOU SAY GO TO A RESTAURANT? |
| 01:12:09 | COULD YOU GIVE ME A PICTURE OF HOW DAILY LIFE AND THE DAILY THINGS WE DO THROUGH? |
| 01:12:15 | PLEASE GET GRANULAR HERE. |
| 01:12:17 | WHAT IS DIFFERENT? |
| 01:12:18 | AND YOU MIGHT ALSO INVEST, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S DIFFERENT SINCE THE REVOLUTION IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S GOING DOWN HILL SINCE THEN? |
| 01:12:27 | PLEASE, MISS DAWSON? |
| 01:12:29 | >> SURE. |
| 01:12:30 | I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN SPEAKING WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FLEEING EGYPT. |
| 01:12:35 | I MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN EMIGRATING TO THE UNITED STATES WHICH THEY DESCRIBE SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY INTOLLABLE. |
| 01:12:47 | THE MICROPHONES THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE MOSQUES, THER IS -- THE SERMONS ARE FILLED WITH HATE. |
| 01:12:55 | I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT CLIENTS THROUGHOUT PARTS OF EGYPT, THE NEW COMMON PRAYER. |
| 01:13:00 | MAY THEIR LORD MAKE THEIR WIVES WIDOWS AND CHILDREN ORPHANS AND ON AND ON, DISEASES AND DESTRUCTION. |
| 01:13:07 | THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE HEAR WHEN THEY OPEN UP THEIR BALCONY OR OPEN UP THEIR WINDOW FROM THE LOCAL MOSQUE. |
| 01:13:14 | YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE THINKING WHEN THEY ARE HITTING THE STREETS. |
| 01:13:19 | ASIDE FROM THE SPITTING, THE CURSING, ESPECIALLY FOR THE WOMAN. |
| 01:13:23 | THEY ARE EASILY IDENTITIED AS CHRISTIAN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WEARING THE VEIL. |
| 01:13:30 | MANY WOMEN, THEY JUST STOPPED LEAVING THEIR HOME. |
| 01:13:33 | THE MEN IN THE HOUSE HAVE NOW BECOME RESPONSIBLE FOR THINGS LIKE FOOD SHOPPING BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES. |
| 01:13:39 | SO IT'S BECOME MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. |
| 01:13:41 | THIS IS DEFINITELY THAT OVERALL FEAR FOR WOMEN TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES. |
| 01:13:47 | AND AS FAR AS MEN GO, THEY ARE DEALING WITH THE FEAR THAT MAY MAYBE ATTACKED. |
| 01:13:55 | OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A FEAR OF GOING TO CHURCHES. |
| 01:13:58 | ACTUALLY, I'VE ALSO HEARD THAT APPROXIMATELY 50 CHURCHES HAVE CLOSED IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. |
| 01:14:03 | AND COPTIC SOLIDARITY HAS ACTUALLY VISITED TEN OF THEM AND CONFIRMED, YES, THEY ARE, IN FACT, CLOSED. |
| 01:14:10 | PEOPLE ARE NOW AFRAID TO GO TO THEIR CHURCHES, AFRAID TO WALK OUT ON THE STREET, AND IF THEY ARE IDENTICAL AS A COP. |
| 01:14:16 | SO IT HAS DEFINITELY IMPACTED THE DAILY LIVES OF COPTIC CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT. |
| 01:14:24 | >> MISS CLARK? |
| 01:14:25 | >> I WANT LIKE TO SHARE AN ANECDOTE. |
| 01:14:27 | WHEN I WAS VISITING EGYPT IN COMPANY WITH NADIA GHLAY, A COPTIC WOMAN ORIGINALLY FROM EGYPT, WE VISITED THE EGYPT MUSEUM. |
| 01:14:41 | SHE POINTED OUT TO ME VERY CLEARLY -- >> CAN YOU PUSH THE BUTTON ON YOUR MICROPHONE? |
| 01:14:48 | >> IT WAS PRESSED. |
| 01:14:50 | IS THIS BETTER? >> THANK YOU. |
| 01:14:51 | >> SHE POINTED OUT -- WHEN I WAS IN EGYPT, I VISITED WITH NADIA GHLAY, MY CO-AUTHOR, AND WE VISITED THE EGYPTIAN MUSEUM. |
| 01:15:04 | SHE POINTED OUT THAT NONE OF THE GUIDES, CURATORS, AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF IN THE MUSEUM WERE OF COPTIC ORIGIN. |
| 01:15:16 | THIS WAS -- SHE WAS DEEPLY DISTURBED BY THIS. |
| 01:15:19 | TO HER IT INDICATED THAT THE VERY CUSTODIANS OF A HERITAGE THAT WAS HERS THAT SHE COULD CLAIM, COPS TRACE THEIR HISTORY BACK TO THE TIME FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF EGYPT, THEY WERE CUT OFF FROM BEING THE CUSTODIAN OF THEIR OWN HERITAGE. |
| 01:15:38 | IT WAS AN AFFRONT TO HER THAT COPS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO REPRESENT SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY. |
| 01:15:45 | >> THAT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT THIS NOTION OF THE COPS HAVING BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG. |
| 01:15:51 | IT BEING THEIR HISTORY. |
| 01:15:53 | HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT IN THE RELATIONS BETWEEN EGYPTS AND COPS? |
| 01:15:58 | IS IT BETWEEN MUSLIM AND COPS? |
| 01:16:01 | IS THIS SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED IN THE RHETORIC THAT'S DIRECTED AGAINST COPS IN ANY WAY? |
| 01:16:06 | DOES IT COMPLICATE THE RHETORIC OR THE RELATIONSHIP? |
| 01:16:14 | >> I WOULD DEFER TO, PERHAPS, MR. |
| 01:16:18 | MAHER. >> WELL, I THINK -- WHEN I WAS A CHILD AT SCHOOL, WE NEVER BEEN TALK ABOUT THE COPTIC HISTORY. |
| 01:16:32 | I LEARNED ABOUT MY OWN HISTORY WHEN I CAME TO FRANCE. |
| 01:16:38 | BECAUSE MY FRENCH WIFE IS A HISTORY TEACHER. |
| 01:16:41 | SHE MOTIVATED ME TO DISCOVER MY OWN HISTORY. |
| 01:16:44 | BUT I THINK THE RESULTS OF MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE AT MY AGE. |
| 01:16:49 | THE HISTORY OF THE COPTICS WERE JUST OUT OF THE BOOKS. |
| 01:16:56 | NOW IT STARTS TO BE DISCOVERED. |
| 01:17:01 | BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNICATION. |
| 01:17:02 | AND NOW THE MUSLIMS START TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAD 3,000 YEARS OF CIVILIZATION. |
| 01:17:16 | 3,000 BEFORE CHRIST, 3,000 TO 5,000 BEFORE CHRIST. |
| 01:17:19 | AND THEN 700 YEARS OF EGYPT CHRISTIAN BY THE 4TH CENTURY WAS 100% CHRISTIANS. |
| 01:17:28 | AND THEN WHEN THE ARAB CAME ON THE 7TH CENTURY, THEY FOUND ALL OF THE CHRISTIANS AND NAMED THEM COPS. |
| 01:17:37 | THAT'S WHY COPS IS UNDER DEFINED AS INHABITANT OF EGYPT, BUT IS A CHRISTIAN. |
| 01:17:43 | WHEN THEY CAME, THERE WERE ONLY CHRISTIAN. |
| 01:17:47 | AND THEN FOR 1400 YEARS, THERE WERE PERSECUTION, THEY HAVE ASKED THE PEOPLE TO EITHER CONVERT OR TO PAY THE TAXES OR TO BE KILLED. |
| 01:17:58 | SO MANY OF THEM HAVE CONVERTED TO ISLAM. |
| 01:18:04 | AND SOME OF THEM PAY THE TAXES. |
| 01:18:06 | AND WE ADDED DESCENDANTS OF THESE PEOPLE WHO NOT NECESSARILY NOBLE PEOPLE, BUT PEOPLE WHO COULD PAY THE TAXES AND MAINTAIN THEIR RELIGION. |
| 01:18:19 | AND THE COPTIC LANGUAGE WAS MAINTAINED UNTIL THE 19TH CENTURY. |
| 01:18:31 | IT'S PHARAOHIC LANGUAGE. |
| 01:18:33 | PEOPLE ARE DISCOVERING THE HISTORY TODAY OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT MUSLIMS. |
| 01:18:37 | SOME OF THE MUSLIMS SAY I AM COPTIC. |
| 01:18:40 | I AM A COPTIC MUSLIM. |
| 01:18:43 | BECAUSE I BRING BACK MY HISTORY TO THE PERIOD. |
| 01:18:47 | THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOODS ARE AGAINST THAT BECAUSE SINCE THE 7TH CENTURY, EVERYTHING BEFORE IS ERASED DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE AND WE ARE GOING TO THE ARABIC CULTURE TOWARDS THE ARABIAN PENINSULA. |
| 01:19:03 | THERE WAS NO -- IT WAS ARABIAN PENINSULA. |
| 01:19:12 | THEY DON'T CALL THE 7TH CENTURY INVASION, THEY CALL IT OPENING. |
| 01:19:15 | AND NOT -- IT WAS REALLY INVASION, A REAL CONQUEST. |
| 01:19:18 | SO A LOT OF MUSLIM LIBERIANS TODAY. |
| 01:19:28 | AND ONE THE ACTIVIST IS CALLING THE MUSLIMS TO COME BACK, NOT TO CHANGE THEIR RELIGION, AND COME BACK AND RECOGNIZE THEIR HISTORY. |
| 01:19:35 | HOW MANY COUNTRIES, HE SAID, IN THE WORLD HAVE PYRAMIDS AND SPINX? |
| 01:19:48 | ONLY EGYPT. |
| 01:19:49 | GO BACK TO ACCEPT YOUR OWN HISTORY. |
| 01:19:52 | IT IS NOT ARABIC CULTURE. |
| 01:19:54 | I THINK IT'S LITTLE AND LITTLE COMING TO THE SURFACE AND IT'S MORE KNOWN. |
| 01:19:58 | >> THANK YOU. |
| 01:19:59 | SO THERE IS SOME STRUGGLE OVER THE PAST AND THE NOTION OF LEGITIMACY. |
| 01:20:06 | NOW I'LL TURN TO MR. |
| 01:20:07 | HAN FOR A QUESTION. |
| 01:20:09 | >> I'M WONDERS IF YOU CAN DESCRIBE WHAT THE REACTION IS WITHIN THE COPTIC COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF ARE THEY WORKING TO PERHAPS CHANGE SOME OF THEIR PERCEPTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN BRING OUR DAUGHTERS BACK INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES? |
| 01:20:24 | SOME OF THE LONG-HELD STIGMA THAT MIGHT BE ATTACHED TO THAT. |
| 01:20:28 | AND ALSO IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THEIR -- HOW ARE THEY GOING ABOUT TRYING TO FIND DAUGHTERS? |
| 01:20:34 | I HEAR FROM ALL OF YOUR STATEMENTS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE. |
| 01:20:40 | BUT WHAT OTHER WAYS -- ARE THERE ANY OTHER WAYS THEY HAVE BANDED TOGETHER TO TRY TO PROTECT THEIR COMMUNITY? |
| 01:20:48 | JUST BE INTERESTED IN WHAT SORT OF RESPONSE THERE'S BEEN. |
| 01:20:50 | BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN THIS -- THESE INCIDENCE. |
| 01:20:57 | >> GO AHEAD. |
| 01:21:01 | >> THE MORE INFORMATION THAT GETS OUT ABOUT THE STORY, THE STRONGER THE FAMILIES AND THE COMMUNITIES ARE ABLE TO BE. |
| 01:21:12 | BECAUSE IT DISPELS THE MYTH OF SECRECY, AND IT DISPELS THE MYTH OF SHAME, IT DISPELS THE MYTHS OF ISOLATION. |
| 01:21:21 | AND THERE ARE IN HEARINGS SUCH AS THIS AND IN OTHER REPORTS SUCH AS MY FELLOW PANELIST, THERE IS VALUE BECAUSE IT INFORMS THE COPTIC COMMUNITY THAT, NO, THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED INSTANCES. |
| 01:21:35 | AND THAT, IN FACT, THEIR DAUGHTERS ARE CAUGHT UP IN A MUCH LARGER PHENOMENON, AN INSIDIOUS, TARGETED, AND MYTHICAL ATTACK AGAINST THEIR MOST DEEPLY HELD VALUES. |
| 01:21:50 | HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE PHENOMENON IS JUST BEGINNING TO GAIN PUBLIC RECOGNITION, A LOT OF EFFORTS TILL NEEDS TO BE DONE. |
| 01:21:59 | THERE ARE POCKETS OF INITIATIVES THAT, IN FACT, REALLY DESERVE TO BE STRENGTHENED. |
| 01:22:06 | THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL PERISH PRIESTS WHO AS I INDICATED IN MY REPORT AND ORAL TESTIMONY TODAY, ARE GREATLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. |
| 01:22:13 | BECAUSE THEY SEE THE DAUGHTERS THAT DISAPPEAR FROM THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES. |
| 01:22:19 | THERE ARE MONASTERIES WHICH CREATE SHELTERS IN PLACES THEY DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE SOME FAMILIES STILL STRUGGLE WITH THE NOTION OF TAKING BACK THEIR DAUGHTER. |
| 01:22:28 | WHAT -- IS THIS NOT OUR HONOR? |
| 01:22:31 | BUT IS THIS NOT -- ARE THESE NOT OUR DAUGHTERS? |
| 01:22:33 | AND SO THEIR BENEFITS FROM THE INCREASED UNDERSTANDING AND AWARENESS THAT'S BEING RAISED. |
| 01:22:41 | ONE ACTION THAT COPTIC FAMILIES ARE TAKING IN MY RESEARCH IS THAT THEY ARE INCREASINGLY STRUGGLING TO SEND THEIR DAUGHTERS TO PRIVATE SCHOOL. |
| 01:22:48 | THIS IS A HARDSHIP FOR MANY, BECAUSE COPTIC RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. |
| 01:22:54 | BUT HOPEFULLY IN SO DOING, THE GIRLS ARE PROTECTED THERE AT LEAST THEY ARE ABLE TO HAVE PEERS -- FRIENDS AMONG THEIR OWN PEERS AND ALSO ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S OKAY TO BE A COPTIC. |
| 01:23:09 | WHEREAS FOR MANY OF THEM IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THEY SOMETIMES EXPERIENCE -- FRIENDS WITH THEIR CLASS MATES JUST AS WHEN WE ARE TEENAGERS, WE ARE ALL FRIENDS WITH EVERYBODY. |
| 01:23:19 | PEER PRESSURE IS A GREAT THING WHEN YOU ARE A YOUNG ADOLESCENT. |
| 01:23:22 | AND THE NEED TO BELONG, THE NEED NOT TO FEEL THAT YOU ARE PART OF NOT ONLY A MINORITY, BUT A DESPISED MINORITY IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR A YOUNG PERSON. |
| 01:23:32 | SO CONSEQUENTLY, PEOPLE -- PARENTS VIEW PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION AS SOMETHING THAT CAN STRENGTHEN A YOUNG PERSON'S SENSE OF INDIVIDUAL IDENTITY. |
| 01:23:42 | WE ARE SEEING EFFORTS MADE CERTAINLY AMONG COPTIC COMMUNITIES IN THE DIASPORA TO SPREAD THE NEWS AMONG INDIVIDUALS AND AMONG THE COMMUNITIES TO RAISE GREATER AWARENESS ABOUT THIS. |
| 01:23:57 | BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IN MY SUBSEQUENT RESEARCH, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON A GREAT DEAL. |
| 01:24:04 | I TEACH COURSES ON ISSUES OF WOMAN IN GLOBAL POLITICS AT GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY. |
| 01:24:10 | I INCLUDE THESE TOPICS IN MY CLASSES. |
| 01:24:15 | IT'S ONE WAY OF BEGINNING TO CREATE A LEVEL OF DISCOURSE THAT PERHAPS HAS NOT BEEN RAISED. |
| 01:24:23 | >> THEY CAN HELP GIRLS CURRENT WHO CAME BACK. |
| 01:24:32 | THEY CAN HELP BY PUTTING ON THE INTERNET A LOT OF MESSAGES NOW. |
| 01:24:40 | TAKE CARE OF YOUR GIRLS. |
| 01:24:41 | WHAT'S HAPPENING MORE AND MORE NOW THE GIRLED ARE CONFRONTED BY THE MOTHER OR BROTHER OR SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS ARE IN FEAR. |
| 01:24:52 | I KNOW EVEN A COUSIN, SHE SAID I DON'T REST THE PARENT ANYMORE. |
| 01:25:01 | IT'S BECOMING A SYMBOL OF CHRISTIAN. |
| 01:25:03 | AND IT IS A DANGER. |
| 01:25:04 | BUT IF YOU TAKE THE EXAMPLES OF ALMOST ALL OF THE PARENTS THAT WANTED THE POLICE CLAIMING THE GIRL IS KIDNAPPED. |
| 01:25:17 | THEY ARE VERY BADLY TREATED BY THE POLICE. |
| 01:25:20 | THEY ARE INSULTED. |
| 01:25:26 | THEY EVEN SOMETIMES REFUSE TO MAKE THE OFFICIAL CLAIM. |
| 01:25:29 | THEN I TELL THEM, YOU COME BACK TOMORROW OR IF WE HEAR SOMETHING, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. |
| 01:25:36 | IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING, LET US KNOW. |
| 01:25:39 | I THINK THAT THE DETERMINED PEOPLE, THE RADICAL ISLAMIC PEOPLE, THEY SEND THE PEOPLE AROUND THE SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES. |
| 01:25:53 | AND THE COPTIC GIRLS ARE EASY FOUND BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T DRESS IN WEILLS. |
| 01:26:01 | -- VEILS. |
| 01:26:02 | SO THEY ARE JUST ALL THE TIME AT RISK. |
| 01:26:05 | >> I HAVE READ ABOUT MANY ACTS, ACTUALLY, OF FAMILY MEMBERS RUNNING TO THE POLICE TO FILE THE REPORT. |
| 01:26:14 | AND ESSENTIAL GIVEN THE RUN AROUND. |
| 01:26:18 | AFTER PERSISTING, POLICE HAVE RESPONDED BY BEATING OR PLACING REMAINING ORDERS ON THEM. |
| 01:26:24 | SAYING YOU ARE POSING A THREAT TO THE GIRL NOW. |
| 01:26:26 | OR THEY WOULD SAY THINGS THAT WOULD -- I CAN'T EVEN AMONG HOW THE FAMILY MEMBERS WOULD FEEL. |
| 01:26:32 | DON'T WORRY, SHE'S MARRIED NOW. |
| 01:26:34 | SHE'S TAKEN CARE OF. |
| 01:26:36 | I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT A PARENT OF A 16 OR 17-YEAR-OLD IS THINKING OR FEELING WHEN HEARING A RESPOND LIKE THAT. |
| 01:26:42 | YOU KNOW WHERE SHE IS. |
| 01:26:43 | YOU ARE NOT GIVING HER BACK TO ME. |
| 01:26:45 | AND A COUPLE OF CASES, ACTUALLY, I HEARD A PARENT TAKING MATTERS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS. |
| 01:26:50 | THERE WAS ACTUALLY A CASE IN THE PAPER I THINK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT HOW THE FAMILY WENT INTO THE HOME OF WHERE THEY KNEW SHE WAS, BROUGHT HER BACK TO THE UNCLES, AND THE MUSLIM FAMILY CAME BACK AND TOOK HER BOOK. |
| 01:27:07 | POLICE INSTEAD OF STOPPING THEM, ALLOWED THE GIRLS TO BE TAKEN BACK TO THE MUSLIM FAMILY. |
| 01:27:11 | I DID SPEAK WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DESCRIBED TO ME HOW HIS DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPPED AND KNEW THERE WAS NO HOPE TO GO TO THE POLICE. |
| 01:27:20 | AND ACTUALLY BOUGHT HER BACK. |
| 01:27:26 | HE EXCHANGED A PIECE OF PROPERTY THROUGH AN ATTORNEY AND GOT HER BACK. |
| 01:27:32 | GOT HER BACK LIKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY. |
| 01:27:34 | SOMETIMES ON OCCASION, PEOPLE DO TAKE THINGS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS. |
| 01:27:39 | OVERALL, THERE'S NO HELP, OBVIOUSLY, FROM THE LEGAL SYSTEM. |
| 01:27:45 | >> THAT IS TRULY SHOCKING WHEN YOU SAY ABOUT THE POLICE. |
| 01:27:48 | DO YOU THINK WE'RE DEALING HERE WITH A POLICE THAT DOES NOT PUNISH THIS CRIME BECAUSE THEY HAVE A POLICY OF WE DON'T PUNISH CRIMES COMMITTED BY MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS OR IT'S EVEN WORSE THAN THAT. |
| 01:28:07 | WE ARE OKAY WITH -- WE ARE FIND WITH, IN FACT, WE THINK IT'S IN SOME WAYS A GOOD THING WHEN IT HAPPENS. |
| 01:28:19 | IS THIS ALMOST A QUASI STATE POLICY ON SOME LOCAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE LEVELS, OR SIMPLY WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE DON'T MEASURE MUSLIM CRIMES AGAINST CHRIS CHRISTIANS? |
| 01:28:34 | >> I THINK IT IS A POLICY. |
| 01:28:38 | YOU SEE A PATTERN, DOZENS AND DOZENS FAMILY MEMBERS DOING TO POLICE AND TURNING THEM IN. |
| 01:28:45 | TURNING THEM AWAY SHE'S NOW MARRIED. |
| 01:28:47 | SHE'S NOW MARRIED. |
| 01:28:48 | WHAT ABOUT THE CASES WHERE THE RESTRAINING ORDERS GET SLAPPED ON THE PARENTS. |
| 01:28:53 | THAT'S THE COURT SYSTEM INTERFERING ALSO. |
| 01:28:55 | THEY KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. |
| 01:28:57 | THEY ARE ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE. |
| 01:28:59 | IT IS GOVERNMENT SANCTIONS. |
| 01:29:00 | IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRACTICE, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. |
| 01:29:07 | >> MR. |
| 01:29:08 | CLARK, MR. |
| 01:29:09 | MAHER, DO YOU CLEAR? |
| 01:29:11 | >> YEAH, I AGREE ON THAT. |
| 01:29:12 | IT'S ON THE PART OF THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT PLAN. |
| 01:29:15 | WE KNEW THAT THE BOMBING WAS PLANNED. |
| 01:29:21 | AND THAT THE MINISTRY OF INTERIOR HIMSELF WAS INVOLVED IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING WHAT HE CAN TO STOP AND LOOK AND SO FORTH ON THE TERRORISTS. |
| 01:29:35 | YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT OF MUBARAK WAS ALWAYS PLAYING ON BOTH SIDES. |
| 01:29:41 | AND SHOWING THAT MR. |
| 01:29:43 | MUBARAK, I AM THE PROTECTOR, AND LEAVING THE FAN -- FANATICS ATTACKS AND DOING NOTHING. |
| 01:29:55 | IT IS ALMOST TRUE THAT THE SECURITY FORCES, WHAT THEY CALL THE SECURITY POLICE HAVE A FILE AND ARE COMPLICITY WITH THE PEOPLE AND IF THE COMMISSION IS SET, THE FILES MUST BE FOUND BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL OF THE STORIES. |
| 01:30:21 | AND WHEN THE FIRST DAY THE THINGS HAPPEN, THEY MAKE EVERYTHING TO DELAY IN ORDER THAT THE OTHER MUST -- MUSLIM PEOPLE GET ORGANIZED AND IN 24 HOURS SAYING A TESTAMENT THAT SHE WANTS TO ALLOW AND IS MUSLIM NOW. |
| 01:30:42 | SO THE FAMILY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. |
| 01:30:45 | THESE ARE THE POLICE WORK. |
| 01:30:47 | SO THEY ARE 100% INVOLVED. |
| 01:30:49 | WHAT IS SURPRISING, THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER EGYPT. |
| 01:30:54 | YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE, MUSLIMS SAY IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE MUSLIM PEOPLE. |
| 01:30:59 | BUT THIS IS HAPPENING IN DIFFERENT AREAS, DIFFERENT CITIES, DIFFERENT VILLAGES, AND THE SCENARIO AND THE BEHAVIOR OF THE POLICE IS THE SAME. |
| 01:31:08 | DO NOTHING. |
| 01:31:11 | LEAVE IT. |
| 01:31:12 | AND THROW THE PARENTS AWAY. |
| 01:31:17 | >> MISS CLARK? |
| 01:31:18 | >> THANK YOU. |
| 01:31:22 | YES, MR. MAHER PRESENTED A IMPRESSIVE LOOK AT STATISTICS. |
| 01:31:30 | NOT A SINGLE DOCUMENT IN PROSECUTION. |
| 01:31:35 | SO WE CAN DEFINITELYLY -- WE CAN DEFINITELY ASSUME THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FORTHOUGHT OR INTENT GIVEN TO PURSUING ANY OF THE ALLEGATIONS LEGALLY. |
| 01:31:50 | IT'S A REAL PROBLEM FROM ANY KIND OF PREVENTIVE MEASURE. |
| 01:31:54 | WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. |
| 01:31:57 | AS THE VICTIMS RECOGNIZE THEIR VOICES ARE NOT BEING HEARD AND THAT THEY HAVE NO RESOURCE, AND, IN FACT, IF THEY TRY TO SEEK RECOURSE, THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES WILL BEAR SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES. |
| 01:32:09 | THEY WILL NO LONGER COME FORWARD. |
| 01:32:11 | THOSE WHO COULD COME FORWARD WILL NOT. |
| 01:32:14 | SO THE LACK OF PROSECUTION, THE LACK OF INVESTIGATIONS FOLLOWED BY THE LACK PROSECUTIONS LEADS TO A CONTINUED AND ONGOING CLOAK OF SILENT WHICH ONLY EXACERBATED THE PROBLEM. |
| 01:32:27 | WE'VE SEEN THIS IN THE ANTI-TRAFFICKING COMMUNITY TOO OFTEN WHERE NUMBERS -- WHERE INSTANTS OF LEGITIMATE CASES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING ARE MINIMIZED IN THE PUBLIC EYE AND GOVERNMENT EYE BECAUSE VICTIMS DON'T COME FORWARD. |
| 01:32:41 | THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. |
| 01:32:43 | IT MEANS THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON TO PREVENT WOMEN FROM COMING FORWARD AND SEEKING JUSTICE. |
| 01:32:50 | >> IF, IT SEEMS WE HAVE A GRAVE PROBLEM AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, FOR SURE. |
| 01:32:56 | I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, IS THERE ANY LEVEL OF THE GOVERNMENT WHERE DIPLOMATICALLY, THIS ISSUE CAN BE RAISED AND FIND A SYMPATHETIC EAR. |
| 01:33:08 | IF LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS COME POLICE DISAND AT TIMES ENCOURAGING OR AT LEAD WITH CONDUCTORS OR PEOPLE INVOLVED IN FORCED MARRIAGES, FORCED CONVERSIONS, IS THERE A PARTICULAR MINISTRY IN THE GOVERNMENT ASIDE FROM THE POLICE MINISTRY WHERE WE WOULD GET A MORE SYMPATHETIC EAR WITH THIS PROBLEM OR A DIFFERENT LEVEL, PERHAPS THE HIGHEST LEVEL TO NOT APPROVE THIS BUT AS A POLICY RATHER OF SO MANY COUNTRIES DO OF NOT PUNISHING IT'S OWN POLICEMAN WHEN THEY DO THE WRONG THING? |
| 01:33:45 | I'M LOOKING FOR A CLIMBER OF HOPE OR A PLACE OR MINISTRY. |
| 01:33:55 | LEVEL OR ANGLE WHERE IT CAN BE MOST CONSTRUCTIVELY RAISED. |
| 01:34:00 | >> IN PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS, I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CONVERSION PROCESS. |
| 01:34:06 | WHAT WAS OF GREAT INTEREST WAS THE SUSPICIOUS OF THE COUNSELING SESSIONS. |
| 01:34:12 | THESE COUNSELING SESSIONS WERE DESIGNED IF IT WAS NOT SITUATION, THE MANDATORY COUNSELING SESSION WITH A MEMBER OF HER CLERGY AND MUSLIM SO SHE COULD HEAR. |
| 01:34:28 | IF YOU CONVERT TO ISLAM, YOU MAY NEVER AGAIN CONVERT BACK TO YOUR RELIGION. |
| 01:34:33 | YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE RAISED AS MIL -- MUSLIM. |
| 01:34:37 | THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. |
| 01:34:39 | NOW AND BECAUSE THE CONVERSIONS ARE PRODUCED UNDER DURESS RAPIDLY, FOLLOWING ACTS OF VIOLENCE, THERE'S LITTLE AWARENESS OR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S AT STAKE WHEN A YOUNG WOMAN CONVERTS AND GOES THROUGH THE PARTICULAR PROCESS. |
| 01:34:56 | SO THAT'S ONE VERY SPECIFIC INSTITUTIONAL THANK YOU CAN BE REINSTATED IN ORDER TO HELP PROTECT YOUNG WOMEN WHO ARE BEING CONVERTED. |
| 01:35:10 | >> THANK YOU, DOSS. |
| 01:35:12 | MR. |
| 01:35:13 | MAHER. >> IF I CAN EXPAND ON SOMETHING MISS CLARK MENTIONED? |
| 01:35:18 | THE COUNSELING SESSIONS TOOK PLACE IN STATE SECURITY OFFICES. |
| 01:35:23 | THAT'S ALSO AN INDICATION, THEY WERE AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENING. |
| 01:35:26 | AND I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALSO I BELIEVE HE'S ENTITLED TO A FAMILY MEMBER THERE. |
| 01:35:34 | SHE'S ENTITLED TO SHE AEROFAMILY MEMBER AND AT LEAST. |
| 01:35:37 | I'VE SPOKEN TO FAMILY MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE MEETINGS WITH THE KIDNAPPED GIRL AND DESCRIBED A DRUGGED GIRL WHO COULDN'T RESPOND OR THINKING WHEN SHE WAS SITTING THERE IN STATE SECURITY. |
| 01:35:48 | ONE CLIENT ONCE MENTIONED TO ME THAT AS HIS SISTER SAT THERE, IT WAS MAYBE FOR LIKE THREE MINUTES, THE ONE THING SHE SAID TO HIM WAS, I HAD TO TO DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN. |
| 01:36:00 | SHE LEFT BEHIND TWO CHILDREN, TWO COPTIC CHILDREN. |
| 01:36:04 | SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN INDICATION THAT THEY ARE AWARE AND PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS. |
| 01:36:12 | >> THE CONTEXT HAS CHANGED, BEFORE THE REVOLUTION AND AFTER THE REVOLUTION, BEFORE THE REVOLUTION SINCE THE REVERE WAS PLAYING A DOUBLE GAME, YOU COULD ALWAYS FIND SOMEBODY IN THE GOVERNMENT AND TRY TO PUT A BIT OF PRESSURE AND SO ON. |
| 01:36:30 | AFTER THE REVOLUTION, THERE IS NO MORE SECURITY FORCES, NO MORE POLICE FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY. |
| 01:36:41 | SO THE PROBLEM IS BECOMING WORSE. |
| 01:36:43 | IT WAS PLANNING, WORKING IN FAMILIES, STARTING TO SEDUCE OR ATTRACT. |
| 01:36:48 | NOW THEY JUST PUT THEM IN THE CAR, IN THE TAXI, AND GO AWAY WITH THEM. |
| 01:36:53 | AND THEY ARE NOT ONLY YOUNG GIRLS. |
| 01:36:57 | EVEN MARRIED WOMEN. |
| 01:36:58 | IT IS BECOMING DISASTROUS. |
| 01:37:00 | AFTER THE REVOLUTION. |
| 01:37:04 | WHEN THEY DESTROYED THE CHURCH, AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT WAS SEEN ON THE TV. |
| 01:37:13 | WE CAN SEE THE PEOPLE WITH THEIR ACCESS IN ALL BRINGING DOWN THE WALLS OF THE CHURCH. |
| 01:37:18 | YOU CAN SEE THE BEARDED MEN ON THE TOP OF THE DOOR OF THE CHURCH SAYING AND SHOUTING TO PEOPLE TO COME AND DESTROY THE CHURCH. |
| 01:37:26 | ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SEEN. |
| 01:37:29 | SO THESE SAME PEOPLE THE GOVERNMENT WANT TO ASK THEM. |
| 01:37:33 | BECAUSE THEY HAVE WANTED TO SOLVE THE SOLUTION. |
| 01:37:38 | THEY DECIDE THE CHURCH WILL BE REINSTITUTED. |
| 01:37:41 | THEY HAD TO GET AUTHORIZATION FROM THESE PEOPLE. |
| 01:37:45 | FROM THE HASSAN. |
| 01:37:51 | THEY HAD TO GO WORK AND SAY THEY CAN START THE WORK OF REINSTRUCTION. |
| 01:37:56 | SO I THINK THERE IS AIDE UNTIL THE CONTEXT OF TODAY, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY IT IS AN OUTSIDE PRESSURE. |
| 01:38:08 | THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY MUST HAVE ONE VOICE. |
| 01:38:12 | THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. |
| 01:38:16 | THIS HAS TO REACH THE MILITARY COUNCIL. |
| 01:38:21 | THEY HAVE THE POWER, THEY ARE IN FEAR, BECAUSE THEY NEED MONEY. |
| 01:38:26 | SO THE MESSAGE SHOULD BE CLEAR. |
| 01:38:28 | WE ARE GOING TO HELP YOU AND GIVE YOU MONEY. |
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